The Campaign to Prove Shakespeare Didn't Exist

Brasidas wrote:Again Veya it is based on a view you or some others have where clearly throughout history many English writers have been hailed as excellent, none of which you can deny. 1
You seem to have just about everything against the English . 2
Sorry mate, you just have to accept we have had so many great writers, can you show such a list for many other countries?
I very much doubt it in the same vain and in their works. 3
A good point on this is also how many on popularity have been made into plays and films. 4

That speaks volumes in itself.

As of 2006, French literary people have been awarded more Nobel Prizes in Literature than novelists, poets and essayists of any other country.

French literature has been for French people an object of national pride for centuries, and it has been one of the most influential components of the literature of Europe.[1][2]

The French language is a romance dialect derived from Latin and heavily influenced principally by Celtic and Frankish. Beginning in the 11th century, literature written in medieval French was one of the oldest vernacular (non-Latin) literatures in western Europe and it became a key source of literary themes in the Middle Ages across the continent.

Although the European prominence of French literature was eclipsed in part by vernacular literature in Italy in the 14th century, literature in France in the 16th century underwent a major creative evolution, and through the political and artistic programs of the Ancien Régime, French literature came to dominate European letters in the 17th century.

In the 18th century, French became the literary lingua franca and diplomatic language of western Europe (and, to a certain degree, in America), and French letters have had a profound impact on all European and American literary traditions while at the same time being heavily influenced by these other national traditions Africa, and the far East have brought the French language to non-European cultures that are transforming and adding to the French literary experience today.

nicko wrote:England  Was the centre of the World a few hundred years ago.  [and don,t you forget it]  

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:England  Was the centre of the World a few hundred years ago.  [and don,t you forget it]  

Forget what?  

nicko wrote:I love it!

Brasidas wrote:Who are half the French ones or the others that have had films made for example?
Thanks Veya you just made my point now on modern winners which was my point that you were doing this over a set time period over a century.

I told you it was very weak argument and never even hear of or wish to hear of any of the French ones, no doubt they would be good to put most of us to sleep.

You see using prizes is again based on a few people and their perceptions, why again your argument is weak, you need to look over what has continued to be seen as great and none compared to the English on this.
LOL the whole thing is Questioning if Shakespeare is actually that good and the only Non English man to agree with you is Wolf (and he still says Tolkien is better) that's only 400 years and lost popularity/relevance Aesop is already at 2600 years          

Eilzel wrote:Veya, I find you have moved from actual debate to deeply subjective judgment of some of the greatest and most popular writers in English language. I'm not going to go through each author you mentioned, since that would be moving away from the real point. Many consider those people all great English authors.

eddie wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Veya, I find you have moved from actual debate to deeply subjective judgment of some of the greatest and most popular writers in English language. I'm not going to go through each author you mentioned, since that would be moving away from the real point. Many consider those people all great English authors.

Agree les

A little-known Italian novelist and poet named Giovanni Battista Giraldi, also known as Cinthio, wrote a short story in 1565 titled Un Capitano Moro, which historians have noticed shares certain elements with Shakespeare's Othello. Which elements, you ask? Oh, nothing major; just the plot, characters, certain names, setting, and moral. Cinthio's version of the story is so similar to Shakespeare's acclaimed play that we're surprised Shakespeare even bothered to change the title before ripping it right the fuck off.

Romeo and Juliet was noticeably "inspired" by a 1562 narrative poem called The Tragical History of Romeus and Juliet. While The Bard generally stuck to ancient historical or oral legends when researching his plays, Othello and Romeo and Juliet stand out for being fairly contemporary works that he adapted without citation. There's also the fact that they're two of his most successful tragedies, but that's surely just a coincidence.