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Post by Guest Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:39 am

For a president once mocked by his critics as little more than a celebrity, it was the ultimate indignity: Scores of people left a packed campaign rally Sunday before President Obama finished speaking.

It wasn't immediately clear why, according to Reuters, "a steady stream of people" departed the event held for Maryland's Democratic gubernatorial nominee, Anthony Brown. Reporters guessed they just wanted a photo of the president, or they wanted to beat the inevitable traffic jam caused by the 8,000 some-odd people who stayed. Perhaps those who departed a rally held just outside the Beltway suddenly realized they had heard Obama's stump speech a dozen times before.
Perhaps those who departed suddenly realized they had heard Obama's stump speech a dozen times before.

Whatever the reason, the conjured image was a sad one for the president, whose approval rating is stuck in the low 40s and who is already a surrogate non grata for many of his party's candidates. At a moment when a popular president would be crisscrossing the country in the midterm campaign's final stretch, Obama's schedule this week is actually rather light. He's casting an early vote in Chicago on Monday ahead of an afternoon fundraiser, and after that the only event on his public calendar for the rest of the week is another fundraiser in Washington.

The White House will undoubtedly point out that Obama is keeping his schedule clear so he can oversee the government's Ebola response, the war against the Islamic State, and the myriad other crises that seem to keep popping up. But the plain truth is that there isn't much for Obama to do on the public stage right now. Democrats still want his money, although even among donors there were signs of fatigue over the summer. But the party doesn't have much use for his oratory anymore, and the weeks before an election is not the time for major new policy pronouncements. What must be even more frustrating for Obama is that his fading star can't simply be explained as voters wanting something new; after all, the Clintons remain as in-demand as ever.

Obama's campaign skills haven't diminished, and thousands of people still pack the halls and cheer his name. But at the moment, he's out of style. And if any Democrats were having second thoughts about passing up a presidential appearance, Sunday's headlines from Maryland probably cleared them up quick.

http://news.yahoo.com/pass-president-152255729.html

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Post by Ben Reilly Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:07 am

Hey, he hasn't reached the ducking-shoes stage yet Smile
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Post by Original Quill Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:10 am

The only crises I see are the ones fabricated by Republicans.  Ebola is the product of unfunded medical research by a Congress that won't go to work, and the war against ISIL is going slowly, thank you very much, because Congress can't seem to go to work under Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the Constitution either.  Can't say I'm enthusiastic about another dull and boring war anyway.

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We could talk about Benghazi once again, but it turns out there's no there there...and by now the nation knows that.

Ah, but Obama is yesterday's news anyway.  Let's hear it for Hillary. cheers

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Post by veya_victaous Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:52 am

Finally the illusion is over Tumblrs-best-george-washington-meme
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Post by Original Quill Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:35 pm

Finally the illusion is over Hillary1

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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:50 pm

Honestly, I don't think Washington was right to warn people against forming political parties. After all, he'd just finished being the first president of a country which protected freedom of association and assembly, and I don't see how political parties don't arise from those.
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Post by Original Quill Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:00 pm

The argument is a Federalist argument. Go back and reread Federalist No. 10 and you will see it.

The Federalist Papers were a series of articles written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay, and published in several newspapers in the northeast area, urging ratification of the US Constitution. Some of them were highly theoretical in nature, including Federalist No. 10:

Wiki wrote:Federalist No. 10 continues the discussion of the question broached in Hamilton's Federalist No. 9. Hamilton there addressed the destructive role of a faction in breaking apart the republic. The question Madison answers, then, is how to eliminate the negative effects of faction. He defines a faction as "a number of citizens, whether amounting to a minority or majority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community". He identifies the most serious source of faction to be the diversity of opinion in political life which leads to dispute over fundamental issues such as what regime or religion should be preferred.

However, he thinks that "the most common and durable source of factions has been the various and unequal distribution of property. Those who hold and those who are without property have ever formed distinct interests in society". He saw direct democracy as a danger to individual rights and advocated a representative democracy in order to protect what he viewed as individual liberty from majority rule, or from the effects of such inequality within society. He says, "A pure democracy can admit no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will be felt by a majority, and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party. Hence it is, that democracies have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths".

Like the anti-Federalists who opposed him, Madison was substantially influenced by the work of Montesquieu, though Madison and Montesquieu disagreed on the question addressed in this essay. He also relied heavily on the philosophers of the Scottish Enlightenment, especially David Hume, whose influence is most clear in Madison's discussion of the types of faction and in his argument for an extended republic.

These were the kinds of debates going on in daily newspapers of the time. Federalist No. 10 first appeared in the Daily Advertiser, and reprinted in the Independent Journal and the New-York Packet.

The problem is that they were arguing the issues of democratic theory without benefit of practical experience. Thus ideas like faction appear in highly abstract terms and when we try to apply such ideas today they are either too ideal, or they turned out to go in a different direction.

Nevertheless, that's what they were thinking about at the time. I believe, in their defense, we are still talking about faction today in terms of Alexis de Toqueville's "Tyranny of the Majority" in Democracy in America (1835, 1840), and more recently in Herbert Marcuse's essay, "Repressive Tolerance," in a collection, A Critique of Pure Tolerance (1965), by Marcuse, Robert Paul Wolff and Barrington Moore, Jr.

The idea is that ideas are like economic entities in that pure competition is unstable, and inevitably deteriorates down to monopoly. In the case of ideas, the same thing happens against innovation, where it must always face an uphill climb against the resistance of established ideology.

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Post by veya_victaous Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:47 pm

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And I like with the last part, interesting idea and quite likely true.
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