Iraq crisis: Isis militants 'buried alive Yazidi women and children in attack that killed 500'

Militants in north-western Iraq have buried women and children alive during their offensive against the Yazidi ethnic minority, according to Iraq’s minister for human rights.

The bodies were reportedly found in a mass grave in the wake of Isis’s push towards the Sinjar mountain range, where tens of thousands of Kurdish-speaking refugees have been trapped to the point of starvation.

Mohammed Shia al-Sudani said his government had evidence that 500 Yazidi civilians had been killed so far, and that some of the victims had been buried alive. A further 300 Yazidi women have been kidnapped as slaves, he added.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-crisis-isis-militants-buried-alive-yazidi-women-and-children-in-attack-that-killed-500-9659695.html

It's only more Muslims committing atrocities.... move along lefties.... nothing to see here.....can't say anything about it or you'll be called a racist or some such shite

Tommy Monk wrote:It's only more Muslims committing atrocities.... move along lefties.... nothing to see here.....can't say anything about it or you'll be called a racist or some such shite

Move along far right muppets, it is manly Muslims who are the victims of extremists, the point sorely is lost on those such as you who would use this to garner hate.
My intent is not though to do as such, mine is to prove people ignore such travesties dependent on the conflict and if you wish to go down the road of barbarity it has always been the west that has excelled at genocide.

I think you miss the point monk. Everyone condemns ISIS. The international community condemns them, governmemts support those ISIS attacks, they have no support other than from other Islamic fundamentalists.

The difference with Israel is when they commit atrocities they do so with the support of and armed by western allies. They have millions of western apologists and sympathizers- hypocrites frankly, who condemn the actions of ISIS but not of Israel.

'The Left' would not be so vocal in condemning Israel if the Right wasn't so quick to make excuses for them.

The reason ISIS doesn't get as much coverage is become no one has the audacity (thankfully) to justify their murdering. But some RWers fall over themselves to defend Israel.

Eilzel wrote:The difference with Israel is when they commit atrocities they do so with the support of and armed by western allies. They have millions of western apologists and sympathizers- hypocrites frankly, who condemn the actions of ISIS but not of Israel.

'The Left' would not be so vocal in condemning Israel if the Right wasn't so quick to make excuses for them.

I don't get this argument, Les. What is it that Israel did wrong? Defend themselves?

Eilzel wrote:I think you miss the point monk. Everyone condemns ISIS. The international community condemns them, governmemts support those ISIS attacks, they have no support other than from other Islamic fundamentalists.

The difference with Israel is when they commit atrocities they do so with the support of and armed by western allies. They have millions of western apologists and sympathizers- hypocrites frankly, who condemn the actions of ISIS but not of Israel.

'The Left' would not be so vocal in condemning Israel if the Right wasn't so quick to make excuses for them.

The reason ISIS doesn't get as much coverage is become no one has the audacity (thankfully) to justify their murdering. But some RWers fall over themselves to defend Israel.

That is bullshit also, because the west does condemn and has condemned when innocent civilians have died, showing again how you and others Eilzel play on a point that is utterly false and wrong. The wet will always back Israel and rightly so, but it has always condemned wrongs it has done and we see wrongs done daily the world over but always it only seems that people call only for Israel to face justice
You make it out as if it is direct minded atrocities from the Israeli government which again is bullshit, as how again do you differentiate between where the military hardware of Hamas is being used from?
Again this is war, only because less Israeli civilians have died has made you an others make absurd views in regards to conflict, where you always negate that Hamas does deliberately entice Israel to hit areas, where they fire rockets from knowing it will create civilian deaths.

What you state is rank hypocrisy at its best, because nobody marches against ISIS, no Muslims stand up and organised a march to influence this government to do something, nobody on the left does, but when Israel Kills some civilians and as they a democratic nation we see the worst condemnation where again they are the ones being attacked. My father once told me what it was like to live under siege and non-stop bombing, when he grew up in Malta, it hardened his resolve to survive, as it did for many who endure the most bombed place throughout WW2. When you are under attack you have no time to think of morals when hitting back, just to stop the means of that enemy doing so, but sadly as children die you and others play on this whilst never standing up and being counted as seen when Isis does real atrocities.

Protests sway public opinion, so please do not tell me nothing can be done by standing up and being counted  against these far worse crimes

Palestinians are constantly firing missiles into Israel at civilian targets from civilian populated areas in Palestine.




A double war crime each time.



The only condemnation that we see is against Israel when they have had enough and retaliate.

Seems to me neither side is bothered about civilian casualties
and so it goes on and on

Israel is trying hard to avoid civilian casualties, while Palestinian militants are deliberately targeting civilians.

Tommy Monk wrote:Israel is trying hard to avoid civilian casualties, while Palestinian militants are deliberately targeting civilians.

Why doesnt the UN go in?

There are some UN people there.

Rockets are being hidden in some of their buildings.


And if found then they are handed over to the local authorities...... ie straight to Hamas.....

Tommy Monk wrote:Israel is trying hard to avoid civilian casualties, while Palestinian militants are deliberately targeting civilians.

Rubbish
as already shown

Israel has a higher civilian kill rate than the Nazi or the USA in any of its wars.

While as Hamas has a very low civilian kill ratio with over 90% of their victims being IDF soldiers.

Israel by its own admission has killed 75% Civilians.

Regardless of Propaganda the Reality of Numbers suggest those claims of not targeting civilians by the IDF are rubbish, the percentage of civilian deaths makes if quite probably the targeting of civilians is on purpose.

ISIS is altogether different they are terrorists and should and are not afforded any International legitimacy.

Israel is a UN nation and as such should be held to a higher standard than TERRORISTS

also ISIS and Hamas
HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER
     

If your going to suggest they do then you really should just shut up as you do not posses the minimum knowledge required for meaningful debate.

veya_victaous wrote:also ISIS and Hamas
HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER
     

If your going to suggest they do then you really should just shut up as you do not posses the minimum knowledge required for meaningful debate.

Hear bloody hear!

Israel wants peace.


If there was not the constant aggression and rocket attacks coming at them from Palestinian militants then there would be no Israeli retaliation.

Tommy Monk wrote:Israel wants peace.


If there was not the constant aggression and rocket attacks coming at them from Palestinian militants then there would be no Israeli retaliation.

What Israel wants is to stop the people in the concentration camp that is Gaza die without a protest so they can have the land. As Zionist said 'Israel stretches From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates' and that is what the Zionists are determined to get. Members of the Israeli Knesset have said they want to get all the Palestinians out of Gaza and put them in concentration camps, just kill off most of them first so the camps can be smaller than Gaza is.

Tommy Monk wrote:Israel wants peace.


If there was not the constant aggression and rocket attacks coming at them from Palestinian militants then there would be no Israeli retaliation.

Nations that want peace don't have expanding boarders   

TM you can try all the emotional propaganda you want it is obvious to anyone that can read a map and count that Israel does no want peace or it would not have been periodically taking Palestinian owned land.

Land was captured after surrounding countries collectively attacked Israel and lost.



It is not unusual for land to be lost in this way.



Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 I think and uprooted about 10,000 settlers and military personnel.



And in return all they got was Gaza becoming a launch pad for rockets fired at Israeli civilians.



Each one a war crime.



There have been something like 11,000 fired at Israel since then.


All just fired indiscriminately against Israel civilian population.




And don't forget, this constant hostile fire is also against the 20% of Israelis who are Arabs.....




Israel has the power to inflict complete destruction on those attacking them.


They choose not to.



Why do you think that is...???



While if their neighbours had this power to destroy Israel.....what do you think they would do...???




Or would have done many times over already!!!




???



If the Arabs lay down arms there would be peace, security, prosperity for all..... If Israel lays down its arms it will be annihilated.....

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Israel wants peace.


If there was not the constant aggression and rocket attacks coming at them from Palestinian militants then there would be no Israeli retaliation.

Nations that want peace don't have expanding boarders   

TM you can try all the emotional propaganda you want it is obvious to anyone that can read a map and count that Israel does no want peace or it would not have been periodically taking Palestinian owned land.

Did you mean boarders or did you mean borders? Your argument seems to go both ways. Lol.

Veya, you seem to start the race halfway down the racetrack. Why don't you back up and tell me what proof you have that Israel does not want peace. Israel wouldn't need defensive terrain if Arabs would just put away their weapons and embark upon a course of peace...say, like in So. America.

We could start by letting the UN into Gaza to dismantle those missiles they have been lighting off with abandon. If the Sunnis and Shi'ia would do the same worldwide, and including Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, I'm sure Israel would do likewise. Why argue about 'he said/we said/she said/they said' if we can just put a stop to it all right now?

You know as well as I, the reason why we can't do that is it doesn't fit with the long-term goals of Muslims worldwide. It is their worldwide wet dream to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Everything Israel has done to date, is in name of preventing that from happening.

@TM
STOP posting with all the line breaks it makes it too hard to read your posts. and just make you look like a idiot.

AGAIN LOOK AT A MAP
Israel has been taking land consistently for decades it has noting to do with a one off loss.

YOUR last statement is Rubbish as we have seen Israel Repeatable target unarmed children. IF Israel Stopped stealing land than there could be peace. IF Britain hadn't fucked everything up by Drawing Shithouse lines that suited itself but not the local people it also woudl not be Fucked up.

Again TRY and use some FACTS rather than the same old propaganda that is easy to disprove with Reality. IDF has So far Blown up how many UN schools and Hospitals with their TARGETED fire???

AGAIN Hamas has killed 9 soldiers for every Civilians it has killed
IDF has killed 3 civilians for every solider it kills.
REALITY Makes you a liar. Keep spewing propaganda as it is really easy to prove a lie.

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Israel wants peace.


If there was not the constant aggression and rocket attacks coming at them from Palestinian militants then there would be no Israeli retaliation.

Nations that want peace don't have expanding boarders   

TM you can try all the emotional propaganda you want it is obvious to anyone that can read a map and count that Israel does no want peace or it would not have been periodically taking Palestinian owned land.

Did you mean boarders or did you mean borders?  Your argument seems to go both ways. Lol.

Veya, you seem to start the race halfway down the racetrack.  Why don't you back up and tell me what proof you have that Israel does not want peace.  Israel wouldn't need defensive terrain if Arabs would just put away their weapons and embark upon a course of peace...say, like in So. America.  

We could start by letting the UN into Gaza to dismantle those missiles they have been lighting off with abandon.  If the Sunnis and Shi'ia would do the same worldwide, and including Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, I'm sure Israel would do likewise.  Why argue about 'he said/we said/she said/they said' if we can just put a stop to it all right now?

You know as well as I, the reason why we can't do that is it doesn't fit with the long-term goals of Muslims worldwide.  It is their worldwide wet dream to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.  Everything Israel has done to date, is in name of preventing that from happening.

Defensive terrain DOES NOT KEEP EXPANDING.
even the Term DEFENSIVE TERRAIN is propaganda for 'we're invading someone and stealing their land'
You don't build Settlements in demilitarisation zones. IF there was even the slightest be of legitimacy to that claim then it would be some what like the border between the Korea's, NOT Israeli Apartment blocks.



See the Difference between 1967 and 2012 ALL THAT IS STOLEN




AND again
the IDF civilians kill ratio IS WORSE THAN THE NAZIs even including all the death camps etc.
IF they are going to behave like that then they should be removed like the Taliban or ISIS. Literally Killing more Civilians per solider than the NAZIs... only Japan even comes close to such Horrendous atrocities in the past 100 years.

AND the Muslims could say the same about Goals.. about the only reason there is war is because the WESTS long term goals of complete global resource acquisition. Yes their goal is to control the land that traditionally has been held by them for a millennia, the WESTS goal it so have ALL the stuff to make money with...
Why Does the USA spend so much money into it??? like I previously said Israel is just the US puppet in this fight allowing the USA to maintain a presence and Acquiring the natural resources of the middle east...

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ottoman-empire-declares-a-holy-war
This is why the region was divided up.
And Muslims also sided with the Nazis in ww2.
We hear similar sentiments coming from many Muslims today.....
Also...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/un-dragged-conflict-israel-hamas-gaza
The rocket fire and aggression is constant from Palestinian militants, all fired indiscriminately at Israeli civilians.
From civilian areas, and UN buildings.
Why is this?

Tommy Monk wrote:http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ottoman-empire-declares-a-holy-war
This is why the region was divided up.
And Muslims also sided with the Nazis in ww2.
We hear similar sentiments coming from many Muslims today.....
Also...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/un-dragged-conflict-israel-hamas-gaza
The rocket fire and aggression is constant from Palestinian militants, all fired indiscriminately at Israeli civilians.
From civilian areas, and UN buildings.
Why is this?

Why are rockets fired from the only territory held by Hamas??? well there is this thing called Physics and you see you can only do stuff in the space you actually have.    I swear that is one of the worst arguments as Even the UN is saying Hamas is Bad for doing that but Israel is far worse for responding with a 10 times more powerful war heads and TARGETING Schools Hospitals and civilians.

Question IF Hamas is so random in its rocket attacks why do the hit a solider 9 times out of 10 and IF Israelis missiles are guided why do they hit Civilians 3 times out of 4     
ANSWER THAT... because that is the root of the truth.

11,000 rockets since 2005.


All fired indiscriminately into Israel at civilian areas.




The Israelis have a warning alarm system and have to run to bomb shelters or take cover every time.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/reports-from-gaza-need-a-more-balanced-perspective/story-e6frg71x-1227002021859?nk=a95293092820abe717a1da4c5dc5ef43



Palestinian militants launch rockets from civilian areas in the hope that Israel retaliate and civilians are killed.


Then they can parade the innocent dead and claim Israel is to blame.



It is a war crime to target civilians in Israel with their rockets, and a double war crime to deliberately fire from civilian areas and also put them at risk of return fire.

Tommy Monk wrote:11,000 rockets since 2005.


All fired indiscriminately into Israel at civilian areas.




The Israelis have a warning alarm system and have to run to bomb shelters or take cover every time.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/editorials/reports-from-gaza-need-a-more-balanced-perspective/story-e6frg71x-1227002021859?nk=a95293092820abe717a1da4c5dc5ef43



Palestinian militants launch rockets from civilian areas in the hope that Israel retaliate and civilians are killed.


Then they can parade the innocent dead and claim Israel is to blame.



It is a war crime to target civilians in Israel with their rockets, and a double war crime to deliberately fire from civilian areas and also put them at risk of return fire.

Hamas ONLY controls Civilian Areas so it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT NOT TO FIRE FROM CIVILIANS AREAS. Again Hamas May not Believe in Science by they Still has to follow the laws of Physics.   


Umm NONE of that changes anything.. Yes tommy you can repeat Mathematically improbable propaganda. Doesn't change Reality.
And Quite Frankly those claims don't even make sense. OK fair enough 40 years ago BUT Israel Created a Buffer Zones So it SHOULD not be and issue.. Ohh that's right those Buffer Zones that were for Self defence now have Apartment blocks in them and Israel has had to take MORE Palestinian land to create a New Buffer zones that whoops we accidental built apartments in it again and so Israel has taken More Palestinian land for Yet another Buffer zone.....
IF you think that is the real honest scenario and not an excuse for the systematic theft and conquest of land then you are Incredibly Naive.


Question: IF Hamas is so random in its rocket attacks why do the hit a solider 9 times out of 10 and IF Israelis missiles are guided why do they hit Civilians 3 times out of 4 Suspect Suspect Suspect
ANSWER THAT... because that is the root of the truth.

SO Why does does Israel kill 750% more Civilians than Hamas PER ENEMY COMBATANT KILLED?
That's not a small number, 7.5 times more... And when you also include that Israel has ALSO killed more combatants that is a HELL of a lot of Civilians getting killed on One side....

@quill
Art inspired by Life  :::grouch:: 

veya_victaous wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Did you mean boarders or did you mean borders?  Your argument seems to go both ways. Lol.

Veya, you seem to start the race halfway down the racetrack.  Why don't you back up and tell me what proof you have that Israel does not want peace.  Israel wouldn't need defensive terrain if Arabs would just put away their weapons and embark upon a course of peace...say, like in So. America.  

We could start by letting the UN into Gaza to dismantle those missiles they have been lighting off with abandon.  If the Sunnis and Shi'ia would do the same worldwide, and including Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, I'm sure Israel would do likewise.  Why argue about 'he said/we said/she said/they said' if we can just put a stop to it all right now?

You know as well as I, the reason why we can't do that is it doesn't fit with the long-term goals of Muslims worldwide.  It is their worldwide wet dream to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.  Everything Israel has done to date, is in name of preventing that from happening.

Defensive terrain DOES NOT KEEP EXPANDING.
even the Term DEFENSIVE TERRAIN is propaganda for 'we're invading someone and stealing their land'
You don't build Settlements in demilitarisation zones. IF there was even the slightest be of legitimacy to that claim then it would be some what like the border between the Korea's, NOT Israeli Apartment blocks.



See the Difference between 1967 and 2012 ALL THAT IS STOLEN




AND again
the IDF civilians kill ratio IS WORSE THAN THE NAZIs even including all the death camps etc.
IF they are going to behave like that then they should be removed like the Taliban or ISIS. Literally Killing more Civilians per solider than the NAZIs... only Japan even comes close to such Horrendous atrocities in the past 100 years.

AND the Muslims could say the same about Goals.. about the only reason there is war is because the WESTS long term goals of complete global resource acquisition.  Yes their goal is to control the land that traditionally has been held by them for a millennia, the WESTS goal it so have ALL the stuff to make money with...
Why Does the USA spend so much money into it??? like I previously said Israel is just the US puppet in this fight allowing the USA to maintain a presence and Acquiring the natural resources of the middle east...

What about just proposing it?  Since we are going back to basics, let's have the Muslims give up all their weapons to the UN, in return for which Israel will pull back to the original borders.

It's worth a try.  All this mess and all...

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Did you mean boarders or did you mean borders?  Your argument seems to go both ways. Lol.

Veya, you seem to start the race halfway down the racetrack.  Why don't you back up and tell me what proof you have that Israel does not want peace.  Israel wouldn't need defensive terrain if Arabs would just put away their weapons and embark upon a course of peace...say, like in So. America.  

We could start by letting the UN into Gaza to dismantle those missiles they have been lighting off with abandon.  If the Sunnis and Shi'ia would do the same worldwide, and including Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, I'm sure Israel would do likewise.  Why argue about 'he said/we said/she said/they said' if we can just put a stop to it all right now?

You know as well as I, the reason why we can't do that is it doesn't fit with the long-term goals of Muslims worldwide.  It is their worldwide wet dream to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.  Everything Israel has done to date, is in name of preventing that from happening.

Defensive terrain DOES NOT KEEP EXPANDING.
even the Term DEFENSIVE TERRAIN is propaganda for 'we're invading someone and stealing their land'
You don't build Settlements in demilitarisation zones. IF there was even the slightest be of legitimacy to that claim then it would be some what like the border between the Korea's, NOT Israeli Apartment blocks.



See the Difference between 1967 and 2012 ALL THAT IS STOLEN




AND again
the IDF civilians kill ratio IS WORSE THAN THE NAZIs even including all the death camps etc.
IF they are going to behave like that then they should be removed like the Taliban or ISIS. Literally Killing more Civilians per solider than the NAZIs... only Japan even comes close to such Horrendous atrocities in the past 100 years.

AND the Muslims could say the same about Goals.. about the only reason there is war is because the WESTS long term goals of complete global resource acquisition.  Yes their goal is to control the land that traditionally has been held by them for a millennia, the WESTS goal it so have ALL the stuff to make money with...
Why Does the USA spend so much money into it??? like I previously said Israel is just the US puppet in this fight allowing the USA to maintain a presence and Acquiring the natural resources of the middle east...

What about just proposing it?  Since we are going back to basics, let's have the Muslims give up all their weapons to the UN, in return for which Israel will pull back to the original borders.

It's worth a try.  All this mess and all...

Lets have All the Muslims (So that would be over 47 nations) Because of 1 nation that is killing Civilians that happen to be Muslim?? (ok You know that is prejudice to suggest to take away weapons based on religion instead of taking them away based on the actions of the national military)

And Why Cant Israel give up its Long Range Missiles   .... It can Keep all it's tanks helicopters and Iron dome. If it just gave up it's long range missiles it would be enough to massively reduce the civilian death toll AND Israel has Proven that it cannot act responsibly with such weaponry evidenced by the 3 dead civilians for every enemy combatant.

Your asking one to give up all it's small arms and archaic Artillery yet are going to let the other keep advanced modern weapon systems? How about Israel GIVES up it's long range Missiles (that The UN prevents anyone else in the region from owning) the Apaches and iron dome give it more than enough advantage.. and quite frankly any side with a civilian casualty rate like that SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED advanced weaponry. The USA is HUGELY irresponsible for supplying the advanced weaponry it does to war criminals, it has hardly even sanctioned Israel from it's repeated crimes against humanity.

Honestly Quill a man of Mine or Your intelligence could Build those rockets Hamas is using they are really basic rocketry one step above fireworks.

And Again IF we are going to sanction someone we should start with the one with the Highest Civilian Kill ratio. Sanction Both, But don't start the Bullshit that Israel is defending itself ONLY. Because clearly it is NOT just defending itself, it is Culpable of a Far higher level of war crimes than Hamas.

Veya makes the only point thar matters here, Hamas a d ISIS are terrorists. They are acknowledged and condemned as such and the west rightly gives support to the governments opposing ISIS.

The Israeli government and army is not a terrorist organisation, so it is a disingenuous argument to compare the way we treat them. Israel, a UN state, is slaughtering civilians en mass with western weapons- the fact it is western weapons is the big difference here. Murder on both sides is a disgrace, but that both the US and UK are involved with Israel adds a whole other dimension to why many of us are outraged at Israel. Terrorists do what terrorists do, what is Israel's excuse?

And monk; it is a bloody joke if you expect people to take you seriously when you claim Israel are trying to avoid civilian casualties. You are either stupid, lying through your teeth, or admitting Israel are hideously incompetent even with state of the art weaponry.

Israel issues warnings to areas that are to be targeted, drops leaflets and even phones up residents telling them to leave.



Palestinian militants launch rockets into Israel at civilian populations.




9/10 rockets don't hit military personnel at all as Veya claims.


They hit civilian buildings and houses all the time.


The reason many civilians are not killed is that there is a missile warning siren that goes off every time a missile is shot at Israel, and people have to run to bomb shelters or take cover.


There has been about 11,000 rockets launched into Israel since 2005, all fired indiscriminately at civilian populated areas.



Where is the outrage from you lefties over this?


We only hear from you when Israel decides that they have had enough and retaliate.

veya victaous wrote: Lets have All the Muslims (So that would be over 47 nations) Because of 1 nation that is killing Civilians that happen to be Muslim?? (ok You know that is prejudice to suggest to take away weapons based on religion instead of taking them away based on the actions of the national military)

And Why Cant Israel give up its Long Range Missiles    .... It can Keep all it's tanks helicopters and Iron dome. If it just gave up it's long range missiles it would be enough to massively reduce the civilian death toll AND Israel has Proven that it cannot act responsibly with such weaponry evidenced by the 3 dead civilians for every enemy combatant.

Your asking one to give up all it's small arms and archaic Artillery yet are going to let the other keep advanced modern weapon systems? How about Israel GIVES up it's long range Missiles (that The UN prevents anyone else in the region from owning) the Apaches and iron dome give it more than enough advantage.. and quite frankly any side with a civilian casualty rate like that SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED advanced weaponry. The USA is HUGELY irresponsible for supplying the advanced weaponry it does to war criminals, it has hardly even sanctioned Israel from it's repeated crimes against humanity.

Honestly Quill a man of Mine or Your intelligence could Build those rockets Hamas is using they are really basic rocketry one step above fireworks.

And Again IF we are going to sanction someone we should start with the one with the Highest Civilian Kill ratio. Sanction Both, But don't start the Bullshit that Israel is defending itself ONLY. Because clearly it is NOT just defending itself, it is Culpable of a Far higher level of war crimes than Hamas.

You see, you are dealing with half a loaf again.  What was it I said before, “half way down the racetrack?”  Let’s back up and take the blinders off.  The Muslim nations to the last have said their actual goal is to erase Israel off the map.  And they are proving it.  So, it’s one nation against, what did you say, 47?  But it is mano-y-mano with Jews against Muslims.

It’s not prejudice, veya, it’s FACT.

Israel cannot give up weapons until every last of the Muslim nations give up theirs.  Then with the last one, mano-y-mano, they can both throw down rifle after rifle, or however you envision it.  The point is, nobody even wants weapons if the original hostilities are put down.  That begins with the Muslim nations.

Leave the US and the UK out of it.  Your obsession with the US is simply ‘make-weight’ noise, added in order to make your arguments seem more persuasive.  America bashing is a cheap way to get applause..  We all know this whole thing begins—and can end—with putting to rest the Muslim obsession with annihilating Israel.

“A man of my intelligence” is also a man bold enough to make this proposal.  Let’s strip away all the half-arguments, and begin at the origins.  Let’s forget about sanctions; god knows there are enough Islamic transgressions to last a month of Sundays.  And let’s forget about kill-ratios; so what if Israel is good and the Muslim nations are really bad at war games.  

Now…what do we have left?  Nobody has arms, and there is only the one fundamental issue left: Can Israel be left to exist?  We are all sitting at the table: make your case that Israel should not exist…or let’s all go home and consider it a good day's work.

Original Quill wrote:

You see, you are dealing with half a loaf again.  What was it I said before, “half way down the racetrack?”  Let’s back up and take the blinders off.  The Muslim nations to the last have said their actual goal is to erase Israel off the map.  And they are proving it.  So, it’s one nation against, what did you say, 47?  But it is mano-y-mano with Jews against Muslims.

It’s not prejudice, veya, it’s FACT.

Israel cannot give up weapons until every last of the Muslim nations give up theirs.  Then with the last one, mano-y-mano, they can both throw down rifle after rifle, or however you envision it.  The point is, nobody even wants weapons if the original hostilities are put down.  That begins with the Muslim nations.

Leave the US and the UK out of it.  Your obsession with the US is simply ‘make-weight’ noise, added in order to make your arguments seem more persuasive.  America bashing is a cheap way to get applause..  We all know this whole thing begins—and can end—with putting to rest the Muslim obsession with annihilating Israel.

“A man of my intelligence” is also a man bold enough to make this proposal.  Let’s strip away all the half-arguments, and begin at the origins.  Let’s forget about sanctions; god knows there are enough Islamic transgressions to last a month of Sundays.  And let’s forget about kill-ratios; so what if Israel is good and the Muslim nations are really bad at war games.  

Now…what do we have left?  Nobody has arms, and there is only the one fundamental issue left: Can Israel be left to exist?  We are all sitting at the table: make your case that Israel should not exist…or let’s all go home and consider it a good day's work.

UMM NO The Idea that Israel cant give Up weapons until EVER LAST 'anyone' has none IS BULLSHIT, THAT IS THE ATTITUDE THAT IS WRONG AND EVIL.. ANY GROUP MAKING THAT CLAIM IS IN THE WRONG that is the Height of someone NOT NEGOTIATING AND THE BARRIER TO PEACE. a nation with that attitude will never know peace, it has nothing to do with Muslims like YOU just said Israel is Evil and an nation bent on war that Will never know peace because of it's attitude that it somehow Deserve ALL The power and Everyone else has to HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for it to give one step towards peace and equality.

AND Muslim NATIONS have Not, about a dozen of 47 said that 50 years ago.... NOT in anyway acceptable for Israel to STILL be attacking 50 years on and 20 years since anyone other than Palestinians have attacked (and Palestinians have been under attack for the whole time too) And again if Israel is making that claim then Again it shows they are in the wrong as Indonesia or Malaysia Never said that IT IS AN ATTITUDE OF INTOLERANCE that is not acceptable it is an attitude of Bigotry and prejudice that is not acceptable. It is not acceptable to Say No Jewish person should have 'whatever' just like it is unacceptable to say not Muslim person should have 'whatever'... Saying a Specific group of war criminals the IDF, Hamas or ISIS should NOT HAVE ANY support from the west is acceptable and an actual NOT PREJUDICE response based on the actions of the specific group, it's not tarring all of any one religion or ethnicity with a single brush.

AS soon as you want to go Oppressing over a quarter of the world for 1 NATION You should realise your argument is WRONG on many many levels.

And it is not my obsession with the USA. The USA is literally paying for 85% of the IDF capacity, which they are using to commit war crimes. If the USA really Left the region alone and let nature take it's course as you are suggesting then Israel would be no more powerful that ISIS.

AND you may have missed I have said Dissolve Palestine to reduce the human toll BUT that would require serious effort on behalf of the international community and SERIOUS REFORM in Israel to REMOVE the Jewishness from the legal/political system and make it a secular nation that BOTH can live in. (separation of Church and State, One of the USA's crowning glories)

The Obsession is on the half of Israel Obviously, you know, again Reality, we cant take the numbers out of it because the are the reality not the propaganda. Reality is over the last 20 years Israel has been stealing land that even the UN says they are not entitled to, and they have suffered no major incursions in their original territory.

I disagree, veya.  I think if we honestly tried, we could get the Israelis and Muslim nations to love one another.



It's a war, friends.  Parse the details if you want, I'm gonna get another beer.  Ain't nothing gonna happen during the commercial.

Didge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
It's only more Muslims committing atrocities.... move along lefties.... nothing to see here.....can't say anything about it or you'll be called a racist or some such shite

Move along far right muppets, it is manly Muslims who are the victims of extremists, the point sorely is lost on those such as you who would use this to garner hate.
My intent is not though to do as such, mine is to prove people ignore such travesties dependent on the conflict and if you wish to go down the road of barbarity it has always been the west that has excelled at genocide.

  

ONCE AGAIN 'Tommy M.' proves why I consider that brainless and vacuous slimy little wannabe-troll to be the #2 racist and bigoted hatemongering neo-nazi on here at the moment (after 'Puzzler'..).

(I KNOW there will always be 4 or 5 people here all too ready to jump to the defense of scumbags like them, and heavenlyfarter&DVo (and y'll know who you are..) ~ but I reckon you scum_suckers are all overdue for your own timely spot of introspection..).

LIKE smellybum', Kaka, "Fred_" and Drinky before them, they have all lost any vestiges of humanity, empathy or morals that they might have been born with a long, long time go.

AS THE old saying goes: "A bullet would be wasted on Tommy M. !"    

Lone Wolf wrote:

Didge wrote:

Move along far right muppets, it is manly Muslims who are the victims of extremists, the point sorely is lost on those such as you who would use this to garner hate.
My intent is not though to do as such, mine is to prove people ignore such travesties dependent on the conflict and if you wish to go down the road of barbarity it has always been the west that has excelled at genocide.

  

ONCE AGAIN 'Tommy M.' proves why I consider that brainless and vacuous slimy little wannabe-troll to be the #2 racist and bigoted hatemongering neo-nazi on here at the moment (after 'Puzzler'..).

(I KNOW there will always be 4 or 5 people here all too ready to jump to the defense of scumbags like them, and heavenlyfarter&DVo (and y'll know who you are..) ~ but I reckon you scum_suckers are all overdue for your own timely spot of introspection..).

LIKE smellybum', Kaka, "Fred_" and Drinky before them, they have all lost any vestiges of humanity, empathy or morals that they might have been born with a long, long time go.

AS THE old saying goes: "A bullet would be wasted on Tommy M. !"    

Do you have to be quite so unpleasant all the time?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
  

ONCE AGAIN 'Tommy M.' proves why I consider that brainless and vacuous slimy little wannabe-troll to be the #2 racist and bigoted hatemongering neo-nazi on here at the moment (after 'Puzzler'..).

(I KNOW there will always be 4 or 5 people here all too ready to jump to the defense of scumbags like them, and heavenlyfarter&DVo (and y'll know who you are..) ~ but I reckon you scum_suckers are all overdue for your own timely spot of introspection..).

LIKE smellybum', Kaka, "Fred_" and Drinky before them, they have all lost any vestiges of humanity, empathy or morals that they might have been born with a long, long time go.

AS THE old saying goes: "A bullet would be wasted on Tommy M. !"    

Do you have to be quite so unpleasant all the time?

And I'm here, cracking up.  I've never laughed so hard as with Bee's posts.  You've gotta know how to take them.  

Stand back, Reggs...you can bet he's got his tongue in his cheek. We just lost Robin Williams. He's another funny guy, like Bee, who just lets fly with anything that comes into the mind. It'll pass...meanwhile, laugh.

veya_victaous wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You see, you are dealing with half a loaf again.  What was it I said before, “half way down the racetrack?”  Let’s back up and take the blinders off.  The Muslim nations to the last have said their actual goal is to erase Israel off the map.  And they are proving it.  So, it’s one nation against, what did you say, 47?  But it is mano-y-mano with Jews against Muslims.

It’s not prejudice, veya, it’s FACT.

Israel cannot give up weapons until every last of the Muslim nations give up theirs.  Then with the last one, mano-y-mano, they can both throw down rifle after rifle, or however you envision it.  The point is, nobody even wants weapons if the original hostilities are put down.  That begins with the Muslim nations.

Leave the US and the UK out of it.  Your obsession with the US is simply ‘make-weight’ noise, added in order to make your arguments seem more persuasive.  America bashing is a cheap way to get applause..  We all know this whole thing begins—and can end—with putting to rest the Muslim obsession with annihilating Israel.

“A man of my intelligence” is also a man bold enough to make this proposal.  Let’s strip away all the half-arguments, and begin at the origins.  Let’s forget about sanctions; god knows there are enough Islamic transgressions to last a month of Sundays.  And let’s forget about kill-ratios; so what if Israel is good and the Muslim nations are really bad at war games.  

Now…what do we have left?  Nobody has arms, and there is only the one fundamental issue left: Can Israel be left to exist?  We are all sitting at the table: make your case that Israel should not exist…or let’s all go home and consider it a good day's work.

UMM NO The Idea that Israel cant give Up weapons until EVER LAST 'anyone' has none IS BULLSHIT, THAT IS THE ATTITUDE THAT IS WRONG AND EVIL.. ANY GROUP MAKING THAT CLAIM IS IN THE WRONG that is the Height of someone NOT NEGOTIATING AND THE BARRIER TO PEACE. a nation with that attitude will never know peace, it has nothing to do with Muslims like YOU just said Israel is Evil and an nation bent on war that Will never know peace because of it's attitude that it somehow Deserve ALL The power and Everyone else has to HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for it to give one step towards peace and equality.

AND Muslim NATIONS have Not, about a dozen of 47 said that 50 years ago....  NOT in anyway acceptable for Israel to STILL be attacking 50 years on and 20 years since anyone other than Palestinians have attacked (and Palestinians have been under attack for the whole time too) And again if Israel is making that claim then Again it shows they are in the wrong as Indonesia or Malaysia Never said that IT IS AN ATTITUDE OF INTOLERANCE that is not acceptable it is an attitude of Bigotry and prejudice that is not acceptable. It is not acceptable to Say No Jewish person should have 'whatever' just like it is unacceptable to say not Muslim person should have 'whatever'... Saying a Specific group of war criminals the IDF, Hamas or ISIS should NOT HAVE ANY support from the west is acceptable and an actual NOT PREJUDICE response based on the actions of the specific group, it's not tarring all of any one religion or ethnicity with a single brush.

AS soon as you want to go Oppressing over a quarter of the world for 1 NATION You should realise your argument is WRONG on many many levels.

And it is not my obsession with the USA. The USA is literally paying for 85% of the IDF capacity, which they are using to commit war crimes. If the USA really Left the region alone and let nature take it's course as you are suggesting then Israel would be no more powerful that ISIS.

AND you may have missed I have said Dissolve Palestine to reduce the human toll BUT that would require serious effort on behalf of the international community and SERIOUS REFORM in Israel to REMOVE the Jewishness from the legal/political system and make it a secular nation that BOTH can live in. (separation of Church and State, One of the USA's crowning glories)

The Obsession is on the half of Israel Obviously, you know, again Reality, we cant take the numbers out of it because the are the reality not the propaganda. Reality is over the last 20 years Israel has been stealing land that even the UN says they are not entitled to, and they have suffered no major incursions in their original territory.

As far as Israel is concerned it must all be one nation, a Jewish nation, that why the Arabs living in Israel have to sign to say it is a Jewish nation before they are allowed their 'blue card' and that is why the Jews and the Arabs are educated in different schools (segregation) with the Jewish schools allowed more money.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
  

ONCE AGAIN 'Tommy M.' proves why I consider that brainless and vacuous slimy little wannabe-troll to be the #2 racist and bigoted hatemongering neo-nazi on here at the moment (after 'Puzzler'..).

................... AS THE old saying goes: "A bullet would be wasted on Tommy M. !"    

Do you have to be quite so unpleasant all the time?

  

WHAT'S this ".. all the time?" nonsense, Ragga' ?!?

I'M ONLY ever unpleasant to people who ~
(a) are unpleasant to me first (e.g. nicko, Tess, Tommy, Puzzler, Kaka, Drinky..);
(b) are unpleasant to friends or acquaintances on here (e.g. abuse from L'il Andy, sassy..);
(c) are being overly bullying or rude towards any others on here (this especially applies to Trolls, spammers, and other insurgents..);
(d) are raving on with some extremist, rude, illegal or bigoted garbage (e.g. rubbish from the likes of h/f & VoD, smellybum'..).

ANY OTHER times, I'm quit a friendly and pleasant chap !            ::-3::    

Would you mind taking me off your "hate" list ? I could put you on mine, if I had one, and wanted to appear childish!

Still don't see any lefties protesting about or condemning ISIS, boko haram mp the persecution of other religious minorities by Muslims in Egypt, Libya etc.....




When it's Muslims committing atrocities they just seem to ignore it.



Just like the 11,000 rockets fired into Israel at civilian populations since 2005....



Why is that?

Obviously a case of selective reading:

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t6362-uk-steps-up-role-in-iraq-with-move-to-aid-kurds-and-yazidis-against-isis

Not selective reading, more your selective seeing, o lack of it.



You are praising one Iraqi because he might be a Muslim but ignoring the thousands of Muslims that are the cause of the trouble who the Yazidi are fleeing from because they want to kill them for not being Muslims....

Read again, and try the thread about Tony Abbott as well, you know, stretch your brain cell a bit.

 

STALKER ALERT ! Tommy and nicko have slipped their chains again..


FURTHER to my already infamous exposés on Tommy M. previously, I would also point out just what a pack of outright lies the Tommy (and smellybum', too..) claims about past "military service" are..

AS anyone who has had any contact with any military should have recognised well before now !

I BELIEVE that those fraudsters of the likes of Tommy Monks and the smellybumbandit invented their fake military services to 'curry favour' with those - like L'il Andy and nicko - who may actually have some genuine time spent in the Army..  ://?roflmao?/: 

I have never claimed any military service you deranged fool!!!



What a twat!!!

 

:/pwn://: 

Still waiting for You to show where I have ever claimed any military service.....




Twat!