Kurds rescue Yazidis from Iraqi mountain

by Guest Sat Aug 09, 2014 11:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

Kurdish forces tell Al Jazeera they have opened a road to Sinjar, reaching more than 5,000 Yazidis besieged by IS group.

Iraqi Kurdish security forces have opened a road to Sinjar Mountain in northwestern Iraq, rescuing more than 5,000 Yazidis trapped there after running away from fighters from the Islamic State (IS) group, a Kurdish army spokesman has told Al Jazeera.

"I can confirm that we succeeded in reaching the mountains and opening a road for the refugees," said Halgord Hikmet, a spokesman for the peshmergas the Kurdish security forces.

Hikmet said that recent airstrikes on the IS targets by US warplanes had allowed the peshmergas to open a route to the mountain.

The IS, which has captured large areas of Syria and Iraq, see Shia Muslims and minorities such as Christians and Yazidis, a Kurdish ethno-religious community, as infidels.

The Yazidis, a minority that follow a 4,000-year-old faith, had taken cover in Sinjar Mountain for the past five days in searing heat, and with no supplies, after fleeing advancing IS fighters.

Two Kurdish officials, Ekrem Hasso and Juan Mohammad, told the AP news agency that the Yazidis fled across the border from Iraq to seek refuge with the Kurds of northeastern Syria.

Rami Abdurrahman, who heads the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, also said thousands of people have fled from Iraq into Syria but had no exact number.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/kurds-rescue-yazidis-from-iraq-mountain-201489135227783157.html

On the news tonight it said the reason they had not been able to before was because Obama and Cameron stopped the Kurds having arms. They ran out of bullets, which was why the IS managed to progress so far. We've fucked up the whole region and the people there pay the price for the mistake of America and Britain.

by Guest Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:46 am

Sassy wrote:
Didge wrote:

No I will not shut up you lying pathetic skank, you bore everyone and ruin the debates all the time with your spamming mainly because you cannot argue for yourself and have to plagiarizer everyone elses view on the matter. You are a skank full stop and you call me a bully, do not make me laugh, 3 forums have fallen victim to the bullying tactics of Sassy, we you are not here there is peace and quite on here.
All you constantly to is play the victim card when you instigate most of the crap on here and more and more people see through your utter lies

Are you having a little paddy waddy are you, shall we get Mummy to give you a bottle and change your nappy? Then the grown ups can get back to talking like grown ups and not have to put up with babies temper tantrum.

Tad difficult with y mother being in Ireland and as per usual Sassy brings into this peoples family, showing how low she always goes when she sees red, suggest you log off and calm down before your head explodes. If anyone is infantile it is someone who has ruined 3 forums, your track record speaks volumes.
You are too easy to take the piss out and very easy to wind up, so best you back down now as seen you have cracked

by The Puzzler Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:45 pm

Deleted - misread.

by The Puzzler Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:47 pm

Ignore it Didge. She's as bad as SM.

by The Puzzler Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:48 pm

I'm sure that before the Brits and Americans turned up, the Middle East was a utopia where all religions and cultures lived in harmony, holding hands and skipping through the desert.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:30 pm

Sassy wrote:Christ on a bike you don't even read your own links do you.
The Al Jaz one:
Gaza fishermen demand end to blockade
Gaza's fishermen are particularly hard-hit by Israel's offensive, with many decrying the bombings as 'economic war'.
Gaza City - Ayman Alamodi was 18 when he began working as a fisherman in the Gaza Strip. But that was 30 years ago, long before the Egyptian-Israeli siege on the Palestinian territory made it nearly impossible for the father of four to provide food for his family.
"My experience from this ongoing war has been the worst; the intensity of air strikes and destruction has forced me to stay home," Alamodi told Al Jazeera, explaining that fishing has been nearly impossible under a near-constant barrage of Israeli air strikes and naval shelling off Gaza's coast.
Since the war began, Palestinian fishermen have suffered severe financial losses after Israeli F-16s struck sheds storing fishing equipment. Amjad Shrafi, deputy head of the Gaza Fishermen's Syndicate, told Al Jazeera that Israeli shelling has cost the fishing industry about $3m in the past month along the Gaza coastline.
"Bombing the workrooms of fishermen [where fishing equipment, including motors and nets, is kept] is meant to drive us away from the sea," Shrafi said. "It's a [form of] collective punishment."
Over the past several years, hundreds of Palestinian fishermen have been arrested, injured and even killed off the Gaza coast. Meanwhile, the Israeli navy has confiscated 54 fishing boats, Shrafi said. In the first half of 2014 alone, Israeli navy ships fired at Gaza fishermen at least 177 separate times.
Over a month ago, on July 6, the Israeli authorities reduced the fishing area off Gaza's coast from six to three nautical miles. This was the fourth time restrictions were placed on access to Gaza's coastal waters since a ceasefire agreement came into effect following Israel's 2012 military offensive in Gaza.
Israeli officials gave no explanation as to why the recent limits were imposed, "nor whether [they are] permanent or temporary", according to Gisha, a legal centre advocating for Palestinian freedom of movement.
Under the Oslo Accords agreement, Palestinians should be granted access to 20 nautical miles off the Gaza coast.
"It's a waste of time: there are no fish within three [nautical] miles now, but further out, beyond six [nautical] miles, there are natural stones where we can find a variety of fish," said Alamodi, adding that he remembered when he was able to go beyond 12 nautical miles and catch all types of fish in the Mediterranean.
Even in 2012, when Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi was in power, fuel came cheaply from tunnels linking Gaza to Egypt, and fishermen could enter Egyptian waters, Alamodi said.
Dr Moeen Rajab, an economist at Al Azhar University, said that Israel has purposefully targeted Gaza's fishing industry to stem its profits and sever Palestinians from the historic profession. "This economic war [is] to force fishermen to rely on charity and eventually leave Palestine," Rajab said.
According to the United Nations, at least 95 percent of Gaza's fishermen rely on international aid to survive, while the number of fishermen dropped from approximately 10,000 in 2000, to 3,500 in July 2013. Palestinian fishermen lost approximately 1,300 metric tonnes of fish annually between 2000 and 2012 as a result of Israeli restrictions, the UN found.
But these challenges haven't kept a younger generation of Palestinian fishermen out of the water.
Alamodi's nephew, Mouneer, 34, makes a living from the family's boat, but told Al Jazeera that whatever he earns has never been enough to meet his family's needs. It costs 200 NIS ($58) to run a generator to power the boat each day, while what he catches only brings in 50 NIS ($14). Those earnings are then divided between his relatives: each of the 10 fishermen receives only 5 NIS ($1.44).
"We are living on debt owed to the gas stations; we pay [them] half of what we earn and we live on the other half," Mouneer said, adding that for the past month he hasn't been able to work at all. The family boat's motor was also destroyed, and replacing it will cost 25,000 NIS (about $7,210), he said.
Another fisherman, Saleh Abu Ryala, had his workroom destroyed in an Israeli bombing. With all his belongings and work tools now unusable, the 45-year-old fisherman said that it might take years to get back on his feet.
"Even motors for fishing boats are not available to us because Israel won't allow us to use them on our boats," he said. "So what is destroyed, is gone forever... This is Israel's aim for Gaza."
Alamodi added that lifting the siege on Gaza - a main Palestinian demand in ongoing negotiations between Israel and Palestinian faction Hamas to end the violence in Gaza - is crucial to ensuring that their profession can continue.
"We just want freedom to fish," Alamodi said, "and sustain our families exactly like our grandparents did".
Where exactly does that mention arms smuggling. You have just posted a link that completely backs up my argument and rejects yours. So I had a look at your first one:
GAZA CITY (Ma’an) – Israel decided on Sunday to reduce the fishing zone open for Gaza fishermen from 6 nautical miles to 3, and they warned that boats which exceed that limit will be fired upon.
The reduction was confirmed by sources in the Palestinian liaison department.
Nevertheless, the union of Gaza fishermen says it will stick to the former fishing zone.
The union’s speaker Nizar Ayyash told Ma'an that fishermen would “find out the certainty of the news if they will be fired at.”
He highlighted that some fishermen have already entered the 6-mile zone.
You're an idiot Tommy, they both say fishermen are being shot at and there fishing restricted, AND IT'S THEIR BLOODY WATERS, NOT ISRAEL'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're an idiot, and a liar.

You claimed people in Gaza weren't allowed to fish in their own seas, both my links proved that they are completely able to fish.

They were able to fish up to 6 nautical miles off the coast up until about a month ago when this was reduced to 3 because of security reasons.

by Guest Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:32 pm

Are you completely round the twist? They are supposed, like any other nation to have 20 miles off their coast. Israel, that has no coast, reduced that by nearly 3/4, not because of smuggling etc, you have produced no proof of that, and anyway, how can you 'smuggle' in your own waters? They have confiscated boats, shot and killed fishermen going about their business and decimated that fishing industry. A Gaza fishing industry in their own seas, that Israel should have no say over. And now, they have cut the miles by half again, still shoot and kill them fishing, the embargo stops they getting replacement parts for the boats and now they have blown up fishing equipment that they can't replace.

And this is in PALESTINIAN LAND AND WATERS, NOT FUCKING ISRAELS

by Raggamuffin Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:53 pm

I thought this thread was NOT about Gaza.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:11 pm

My post still stands.

You claimed they can't fish when they could up until a month ago fish out to 6 nautical miles. Reduced to 3 a month ago because of security reasons.

Google "Gaza smuggling sea".....

Now you claim that Israel has no coast... are you completely mad woman???

"...The Israeli coastal plain (Hebrew: מישור החוף‎, Mishor HaḤof) is the narrow coastal plain along Israel's Mediterranean Sea coast.The plain extends 187 kilometres (116 mi) north to south and is divided into a number of areas; the Plain of Zebulun (north of Haifa), Hof HaCarmel (from Haifa to Mount Carmel), the Sharon plain (from Mount Carmel to Tel Aviv), and the Plain of Judea (from Tel Aviv to Zikim).[1] For its duration, the plain has sandy beaches and a Mediterranean climate...."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_coastal_plain

Think you need to stop reading the propaganda Sassy.

If the Arabs lay down their arms there would be peace, if the Israelis lay down their arms they would be dead.... massacred ISIS style, men women and children....

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 7:17 pm

Sassy wrote:Are you completely round the twist? They are supposed, like any other nation to have 20 miles off their coast.Israel, that has no coast, reduced that by nearly 3/4, not because of smuggling etc, you have produced no proof of that, and anyway, how can you 'smuggle' in your own waters? They have confiscated boats, shot and killed fishermen going about their business and decimated that fishing industry. A Gaza fishing industry in their own seas, that Israel should have no say over. And now, they have cut the miles by half again, still shoot and kill them fishing, the embargo stops they getting replacement parts for the boats and now they have blown up fishing equipment that they can't replace.
And this is in PALESTINIAN LAND AND WATERS, NOT FUCKING ISRAELS

Just to show what you claimed about Israel having no coast before you might try to edit it...

by Guest Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Sassy wrote:Are you completely round the twist? They are supposed, like any other nation to have 20 miles off their coast.Israel, that has no coast, reduced that by nearly 3/4, not because of smuggling etc, you have produced no proof of that, and anyway, how can you 'smuggle' in your own waters? They have confiscated boats, shot and killed fishermen going about their business and decimated that fishing industry. A Gaza fishing industry in their own seas, that Israel should have no say over. And now, they have cut the miles by half again, still shoot and kill them fishing, the embargo stops they getting replacement parts for the boats and now they have blown up fishing equipment that they can't replace.
And this is in PALESTINIAN LAND AND WATERS, NOT FUCKING ISRAELS

Just to show what you claimed about Israel having no coast before you might try to edit it...

No worries, was writing in a hurry, you'd think with all that coast they wouldn't be so bloody greedy as to stop Gaza fishing. But then, they worked out exactly how many calories they should allow the Gazans have to survive, just, so they wouldn't want them having the fish as well would they? As for the smuggling wars, yep, they try to get extra food in and parts for the engines, and parts for the electricity station that Israel has now blown up, and parts to help with the building of water filtration so they have uncontaminated water to drink, a luxury now. Stop being a mouthpiece for Israeli propaganda and actually read.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:06 pm

Smuggling weapons and arms Sassy.

Google "Gaza smuggling sea"....

What made you think that Israel didn't have any coast?

That wasn't just a mistake from typing too fast.

by Guest Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:38 pm

Yep, that the propaganda Israel puts out to justify destroying the fishing industry to keep the Gazans under control and malnourished.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:05 pm

Bollocks Sassy, all the Palestinians you see on tv look far from malnourished!!!

In fact most look decidedly over nourished.

by Guest Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:40 pm

The blockade, poverty and malnutrition.

6 June 2014

‘The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.’
Dov Weisglass, advisor to the Israeli Prime Minister in 2006

I remember the above statement by Dov Weisglass in 2006 just before Gaza was cut off. At the time I was convinced that the blockade wouldn’t last and that it would drive the international community to act. We are now entering the seventh year of the blockade and yet the humanitarian crisis facing the Palestinian people in Gaza continues.

As a result of the occupation and this inhumane policy, 80% of people in Gaza depend on aid to survive.

The blockade is a form of collective punishment. It is unjust and it is illegal under international law. It puts the world to shame that Israel, with the support of Egypt, has been causing considerable suffering through this policy for so long.

The blockade doesn’t just stop essential items getting in; it stops Palestinians exporting goods out. It causes chronic unemployment. It has practically shut down the economy leading to widespread poverty. It has virtually destroyed the agriculture and fishing industries. It reduces the majority of the population to aid dependency. To make matters worse, the UN agency for Palestinians is so underfunded it has recently had to cut subsistence payments to the most hard-pressed families.

You can help provide a complete and nutritious meal for a child for just £1.20. Will you please make a donation today and help us feed undernourished children?

Children growing up in poverty are especially vulnerable. Their parents are unable to afford an adequate diet. Nearly 10% of children under five in Gaza suffer from stunting or chronic malnutrition. In many cases stunting can compromise their immune system and leave them at high risk of disease.

This is why Medical Aid for Palestinians is helping these children in Gaza and why I need your help today.

Medical Aid for Palestinians is working with a specialist clinic to provide care and support for malnourished children and their families throughout Gaza. It currently has lengthy queues every day. The meals and advice you can help to provide will be a relief to parents and make a lasting difference to their children.

Children like Mohamed need you. Mohamed was just 13 months old when his mother brought him to the clinic. He was underweight and anaemic. He was sick not because of famine or crop failure but because, according to his mother, without work or income there just wasn’t the money to buy the food he needed. Thanks to the care the clinic provided, Mohamed’s health improved.

But we need you to help us feed the many hundreds of other malnourished children in Gaza.

These children are not living in a country blighted by infertile soil or drought. The population of 1.7 million people are living in a space no larger than the Isle of Wight, deprived of adequate access to a healthy life as a direct result of the Israeli blockade.

Like me, Najah Zohod, the Director of Children’s Food and Nutrition with our partner on this project, is in no doubt about the severity of the current situation.

‘Until 2000, we had few cases of malnutrition. But when the borders closed to the over 100,000 men who worked in Israel every day, many families’ economies collapsed and nutrition began to be a widespread problem. Since then each subsequent blow to the Gazan economy has been reflected in children’s health: the repeated attacks on agricultural lands, the closure of borders in 2006, and of course the bombardment of the Strip.’*

This situation couldn’t be more urgent. As things stand today, a child in occupied Palestine is five times more likely to die before the age of five than a child in Israel.

http://www.map-uk.org/notes-from-the-field/archive/article/52-the-blockade-poverty-and-malnutrition

Children and their families living in the West Bank and Gaza are among the Middle East's most vulnerable populations. The health of children is particularly at risk and the World Health Organization has expressed concern over the state of public health care in the West Bank and Gaza. Food insecurity is also on the rise; girls and boys under the age of five are particularly vulnerable with one in 10 suffering from stunting.

http://www.savethechildren.org/site/c.8rKLIXMGIpI4E/b.6153151/k.5AE1/West_Bank_and_Gaza_Strip.htm

You are so incredibly ignorant it's disgusting.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:16 pm

As I said, all the ones you see on tv look well fed enough....

Some look like they could do with a diet.

If there is a problem, maybe if they spent their money and efforts less on smuggling arms and missiles in and bought food instead..... just a suggestion....!

Plus, it is no surprise Israel has closed borders with their hostile neighbours. But why don't Egypt and Jordan open up theirs or do more for their brothers and sisters?

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:24 pm

Also this might be a reason for growth problems..... lack of vitamin D as girls are forced to cover up from head to toe all day and not getting enough sunlight....

http://www.sheknows.com/parenting/articles/807461/weight-gain-and-stunted-growth-linked-to-lack-of-vitamin-d

But I'm sure you will blame the Jews for that too eh...?!

Stop reading the propaganda and get some common sense.

by Guest Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:33 pm

Yea, that would explain the stunted growth in boys and girls under 10! Bloody idiot, total ignoramus.

by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:48 pm

Well as I said, maybe if they spent their money more on food and less on missiles.....

It is a crying shame that the Palestinians hate Israel more than they love their own children....

Can you really blame Israel for having tight borders and security against people who try to kill them at every opportunity?

by Guest Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:56 pm

You are so ignorant you are just not worth talking to. Go back to your propaganda and your hatred of Muslims and your delusionsal belief in every word Israel tells you (words that have been proven to be lies over and over again). Frankly, if the Pope told you they were lies you would still go on believing them, simply out of your hatred for Muslims.

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:26 am

You are wrong Sassy.

I have always said there is right and wrong on both sides.

It is You who are only seeing things from one side and spouting all the propaganda that comes with it.

Nothing I've said is untrue, however I have repeatedly shown the things you have said to be far from factual, untrue, heavily biased, one sided, complete propaganda or just plain wrong.

You constantly ignore the thousands upon thousands of missile fired into Israeli towns and cities at innocent civilians and the fact that this is not only a double war crime each time as They are fired from Palestinian civilian position making them human shields, and that Israel has no choice in maintaining tight security against Gaza and west bank while this continues.

by Guest Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:28 am

What a load of codswallop. Go back to your little dream world.

by veya_victaous Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:46 am

The Puzzler wrote:I'm sure that before the Brits and Americans turned up, the Middle East was a utopia where all religions and cultures lived in harmony, holding hands and skipping through the desert.

Actually they were pretty good being... united under the Ottoman empire and all Rolling Eyes

Actually I think you just explained your perspective perfectly, Complete Ignorance Razz

P.S. You forgot the French Wink

by veya_victaous Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:47 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I thought this thread was NOT about Gaza.

+100

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:58 am

Show me what I've said that is 'codswallop'...???

by veya_victaous Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:55 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Show me what I've said that is 'codswallop'...???

Hamas don't fire any missiles at all Rolling Eyes

they fire rockets Wink

If you don't know the difference that is a problem that will adversely affect the validity of your opinion geek

PLUS still you have never explained Why Israel keeps putting apartments in the defensive zone that PUTS Israeli civilians in harms way..
Israel could just STOP building illegal settlements and Leave the de Militarised zone empty LIKE the Korea's because the WHOLE IDEA of the zones is that they remains empty when someone puts stuff there it remains it defeats the purpose (and is an act of aggression) the fact the Israel KEEP building in the demilitarised zones makes them culpable for the atrocities as IF they stuck to their Boarders and LEFT the Demilitarised areas empty LIKE THEY ARE LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO. Hamas would not even be able to reach a civilian area of Israel

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:13 pm

Complete bollocks Veya!!!

Rockets are not missiles???

Idiot!

by nicko Tue Aug 12, 2014 1:48 pm

If you throw a stone it's classed as a missile!

by Tommy Monk Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:45 pm

Kurds rescue Yazidis from Iraqi mountain - Page 2 Qassam-launch

Hamas militants preparing to launch deceptively festive looking Qassam rockets

All fired indiscriminately into Israel at civilian populations.
11,000 since 2005.

Each one a war crime.

Silence from the islamised lefties....

But when Israel retaliate to try to stop this happening, the islamised lefties are up in arms claiming Israel are the bad guys....

by Original Quill Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:50 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Show me what I've said that is 'codswallop'...???

Hamas don't fire any missiles at all
they fire rockets
If you don't know the difference that is a problem that will adversely affect the validity of your opinion

That's a silly, semantic argument, veya. A missile is an object that is forcibly propelled at a target, either by hand or from a mechanical weapon. David's sling threw a missile

veya_victaous wrote:PLUS still you have never explained Why Israel keeps putting apartments in the defensive zone that PUTS Israeli civilians in harms way..

They are not in harms way at all, because Israel uses the Iron Shield defense system that relies on intercepting missiles. Because, as in war, Israel is better at defending itself, it does not absolve Hamas of its hostile acts and intentions.

veya_victaous wrote:Israel could just STOP building illegal settlements and Leave the de Militarised zone empty LIKE the Korea's because the WHOLE IDEA of the zones is that they remains empty when someone puts stuff there it remains it defeats the purpose (and is an act of aggression) the fact the Israel KEEP building in the demilitarised zones makes them culpable for the atrocities as IF they stuck to their Boarders and LEFT the Demilitarised areas empty LIKE THEY ARE LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO. Hamas would not even be able to reach a civilian area of Israel

And you think that would put the whole Muslim/Israeli thing to rest? All Muslims, both Sunni and Shi'ia together. would lay down arms and embrace their Israeli brothers and sisters, who would likewise put away their guns and weapons, and commence a thousand years of peace and love? Imagine if so much could be accomplished simply by leaving the land open.

Kurds rescue Yazidis from Iraqi mountain - Page 2 George_tooker_embrace_of_peace_ii

Kurds rescue Yazidis from Iraqi mountain - Page 2 George_tooker_embrace_of_peace_ii

I never thought it could be so easy. And, who will guarantee this? :\\:[:

Forgive me for being derisive, but this is the heart of my problem. Everyone is dealing with half-answers, half-arguments, and half-truths...and no one wants to deal with the entire problem. Why does that problem exist, between Muslim nations and Israel? And how does it stop?

Because here's one thing I CAN guarantee: unless the total problem is dealt with, we are just playing 'Wack-A-Mole'. Solving one crisis just leaves the parties enough time to gather their resources, and start the next crisis.

by veya_victaous Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:33 pm

@quill
no I don't think that I think that it would At least create the same as Between North Korea And South Korea... i.e the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of exclusion zones they ARE NOT FOR ISRAEL TO BUILD IN!!!!
by Building in the Zone they rendered it POINTLESS it is their fault there are people in the firing line on either side because they are the ones that moved into the exclusion zone. Palestinians have not moved into new territory the Israeli's have the movement has put people in firing lines, unless you are going to somehow argue Palestinians are a fault for staying within their legal territory that Israel have built closer and closer to.

and what you call whack a mole I can HUMANITY, what we have always done the Idea that we are naturally peaceful is ludicrous how the hell would we have got o the top of the food chain, Humans by nature are extremely Violent animals.
I would expect nothing less for us, the violent hairless apes.
Vote 1 Skynet

PLUS
Britannica agrees with me (but i do concede your point, we do call David's stone a missile)

while the term rocket refers to any free-flight (unguided) missile of the types used since the beginning of rocketry. A guided missile is broadly any military missile that is capable of being guided or directed to a target after having been launched.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1357360/rocket-and-missile-system
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/385396/missile

by veya_victaous Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Hamas militants preparing to launch deceptively festive looking Qassam rockets

All fired indiscriminately into Israel at civilian populations.
11,000 since 2005.
here the flip side to your propaganda: All those Civilian Areas are in what was Exclusions Zones that NO ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN!!!!! Israel is breaking the Law by building the civilians structure there in the first place

Each one a war crime.

Silence from the islamised lefties.... and Silence for the Zionist Right wingers regarding Israel Stealing the land in the first place and no RW's question "hey why has Israel Built apartment blocks in the exclusion zone that is MEANT to provide a safe boarder". I was going to make a comparison in the UK but then I realised that geographically the best example would be Ireland BUT that land stealing shit is what Britain has actually done to Ireland in the past, No wonder you don't think stealing another peoples land is a big deal... Your British

But when Israel retaliate to try to stop this happening, the islamised lefties are up in arms claiming Israel are the bad guys....

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:03 am

These are unguided missiles.
Unguided and fired into civilian populations which risk hitting anyone.
And of various ranges.
Civilian populations are terrorised week after week, month after month, year after year by this indiscriminate targeting.
Where are the protests and condemnation against this...???

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:18 am

"...The Palestinian rocket arsenal is large and gradually improving over time. Many of the shorter-range systems, like the Qassam - a generic name for a whole family of weapons - are built in factories and workshops in the Gaza Strip itself. These have ranges up to a dozen or so kilometres.
'Surgical strikes'Grad missiles, many thought to be supplied by Iran, have a slightly longer reach - up to about 20km - though some upgraded versions may have a considerably longer range.
A Chinese-designed rocket, the WS-1E, has also been used against Israeli targets - these have a range of around 40km.
The most potent weapons in the Palestinian arsenal are the Fajr-5 rockets. These have a potential range of up to 75km, threatening the fringes of Tel Aviv - Israel's largest city..."

Kurds rescue Yazidis from Iraqi mountain - Page 2 _64164468_hamas_rockets464x458

Kurds rescue Yazidis from Iraqi mountain - Page 2 _64164468_hamas_rockets464x458

And don't forget that these are also fired from the West Bank as well as from other places....

So again you are making an irrelevant point about only targeting areas where no buildings should be.

They have been targeting the airport too in last few weeks..... check it out.....

Any condemnation for these war crimes yet...???

Didn't think so....

by veya_victaous Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:52 am

Tommy Monk wrote:These are unguided missiles.
Unguided and fired into civilian populations which risk hitting anyone.
And of various ranges.
Civilian populations are terrorised week after week, month after month, year after year by this indiscriminate targeting.
Where are the protests and condemnation against this...???

@TM
HAMAS SHOULD NOT BE DOING THAT!! happy now!!! pretty sure everyone has said that already Rolling Eyes

NOW where is the condemnation for Israel using GUIDED MISSILES to blow up schools and hospitals .. and Being GUIDED they are obviously targeting the CIVILIANS infrastructure on Purpose.

NO excuses that you would accept for someone blowing up hospitals and schools in the UK. Because Even the Nazi's didn't target hospitals Evil or Very Mad

Also very interesting that you are quiet on the whole stealing land thing... so should hear no more about the immigrants from you since the immigrants in the UK are not bombing local schools and hospitals the locals like the Israeli immigrating to what are legally Palestinians territories.

And look at your pic....
Qassam rockets Make up the VAST majority of the Hamas Arsenal and the ONLY ones that can make themselves.

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:41 am

Ok, so now you are finally admitting some of the wrongdoing by Palestinian authorities and other militants.....

Will you now admit that they were also firing their rockets from school and hospital areas...???

Thus causing high risk of return fire???

Plus that rockets have been found to be stored in some of these places...???

And by putting their own civilians at risk in this way is not only a war crime in each instance but also shows that they don't care about their own civilians, in fact they try to draw fire onto them purposefully just so they can then use it to then film it and use as part of their media campaign???

Not all Israeli strikes are guided and targeted.

Much are tank and other shelling in response to rockets fired by militants, at locations of said rocket fire.

Also there are reports of militant rockets being fired and accidentally coming down on Palestinian territory hitting civilian buildings.

I condemn ALL violence and wish for lasting peaceful solution.

I also condemn any deliberate targeting of any civilian population or buildings.

While you Islamised lefties will only criticise Israel for recent retaliation that has led to some civilian casualties while excusing Palestinian militants for their years of constant, deliberate and complete targeting of only Israeli civilians.

Obviously some civilians are more important to you and worth more than others......

by veya_victaous Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:01 am

UMM except they were NOT firing from either of the 3 UN facilities that have been hit In the past fortnight

No we Criticise the ones that are the BIGGEST terrorists with the largest and most all encompassing crimes agaisnt humanity.

Your the one still suggesting that Hamas is somehow equal to Israel even though it kills 750% less civilian per LEGAL LEGITIMATE target killed. Both a Bad but their evil is not even in the same league

by Original Quill Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:08 am

veya wrote:@quill
no I don't think that I think that it would At least create the same as Between North Korea And South Korea... i.e the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of exclusion zones they ARE NOT FOR ISRAEL TO BUILD IN!!!!

Meh…maybe they are doing it to piss people off.

veya wrote:by Building in the Zone they rendered it POINTLESS it is their fault there are people in the firing line on either side because they are the ones that moved into the exclusion zone. Palestinians have not moved into new territory the Israeli's have the movement has put people in firing lines, unless you are going to somehow argue Palestinians are a fault for staying within their legal territory that Israel have built closer and closer to.

Are there any firelines in Israel? I think the total Israeli defense is in the Iron Dome defense.

veya wrote:and what you call whack a mole I can HUMANITY, what we have always done the Idea that we are naturally peaceful is ludicrous how the hell would we have got o the top of the food chain, Humans by nature are extremely Violent animals.
I would expect nothing less for us, the violent hairless apes.
Vote 1 Skynet

Wack-A-Mole or Humanity…they are still lives that would be better off if not killed. Muslims hold life to be very cheap. The point is, you settle one conflict, and as soon as you do Islamists are working on the next one.

veya wrote:PLUS
Britannica agrees with me (but i do concede your point, we do call David's stone a missile)
while the term rocket refers to any free-flight (unguided) missile of the types used since the beginning of rocketry. A guided missile is broadly any military missile that is capable of being guided or directed to a target after having been launched.

Definition of MISSILE
1: capable of being thrown or projected to strike a distant object
2: adapted for throwing or hurling missiles

Origin of MISSILE
Latin missilis, from mittere to throw, send
First Known Use: 1611

by veya_victaous Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:46 am

Original Quill wrote:
veya wrote:@quill
no I don't think that I think that it would At least create the same as Between North Korea And South Korea... i.e the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of exclusion zones they ARE NOT FOR ISRAEL TO BUILD IN!!!!

Meh…maybe they are doing it to piss people off.

veya wrote:by Building in the Zone they rendered it POINTLESS it is their fault there are people in the firing line on either side because they are the ones that moved into the exclusion zone. Palestinians have not moved into new territory the Israeli's have the movement has put people in firing lines, unless you are going to somehow argue Palestinians are a fault for staying within their legal territory that Israel have built closer and closer to.

Are there any firelines in Israel? I think the total Israeli defense is in the Iron Dome defense.

veya wrote:and what you call whack a mole I can HUMANITY, what we have always done the Idea that we are naturally peaceful is ludicrous how the hell would we have got o the top of the food chain, Humans by nature are extremely Violent animals.
I would expect nothing less for us, the violent hairless apes.
Vote 1 Skynet

Wack-A-Mole or Humanity…they are still lives that would be better off if not killed. Muslims hold life to be very cheap. The point is, you settle one conflict, and as soon as you do Islamists are working on the next one.

veya wrote:PLUS
Britannica agrees with me (but i do concede your point, we do call David's stone a missile)
while the term rocket refers to any free-flight (unguided) missile of the types used since the beginning of rocketry. A guided missile is broadly any military missile that is capable of being guided or directed to a target after having been launched.

Definition of MISSILE
1: capable of being thrown or projected to strike a distant object
2: adapted for throwing or hurling missiles

Origin of MISSILE
Latin missilis, from mittere to throw, send
First Known Use: 1611

Muslims Don't hold life any cheaper than Americans (US murder rate is Still double MOST Islamic nations even including Syria and UAE)... I don't know why you keep saying that because there is NO evidence for it in the Wider Muslim Community... And IDF hold life EVEN cheaper. Again the HIGHEST Civilian Kill ratio!!! only historically only Japan is worse during ww2 and before that you need to go t o the Boxer revolution in China. NO EUROPEAN has ever killed as many civilians per enemy combatant in the recorded history of warfare in Europe..

Again QUILL reality not propaganda, USA still kills more people every year than all the Islamic nations Combined.
Hamas has NOT blown up UN facilities, IDF has blown up 3 in the past fortnight .
SO your Whole argument is based off Propaganda there is no evidence for AND in no way addresses the Root Cause, Israel building on land it not supposed to, And you think they are allowed to do it specifically to annoy people. You do Realise that by doing that IT is the instigator of the conflict?

AND wait so now you saying the Hamas are throwing things... Seriously you can stick your 1611 Throwing rocks 'missile' UP YOUR ASS because there is MODERN MILITARY DEFINITION that don't include rocks because NO ONE IS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT THROWING ROCKS so I know TM is really dumb But even I don't think he meant Hamas is throwing Rocks

AND in Objects with ROCKET propulsion: MISSILE Means Guided projectile
Keep Arguing With Britannica Rolling Eyes

. Cause your talking about Rocks I'm talking About the weapons being used by Hamas and IDF

YOU are a RACIST
I honestly Can't believe you are saying the Ridiculously stupid racist Crap about Muslims, Do you think blacks are like that too (or do you have some other racist interpretation of them)

Have you EVEN ever meet a Muslims. THEY are not Different and They DEFINITELY DO NOT HOLD life any cheaper than AMERICANS!!! (I have not meet enough Israelis to make a call) Even You and Ben both admit to Gun nut stuff and the need to own stuff to KILL other humans with and You and Ben are relatively LW sane Americans. MOST Muslims don't think a high calibre hand gun is a tool to keep snakes away, Because only Death crazed Cultures with No value of Life think like that...

You're mad Quill, Muslims have not even Started the Majority of Conflicts they have been in.
You say Muslims don't value Life and Israel does (And even that is SO racist because it is Hamas and IDF) But it is Hamas has killed 750% less civilians per combatant than the IDF.

IDF has a Civilians kill ratio of 75% of total deaths, the Nazis Including death camps barely make 50%. so Per Legitimate target IDF kill 50% more Innocent civilians than the Nazis.
In Afghanistan the USA still managed about 40%
Hamas has 10%
even the USA will happily(and did for years in Afghan) kill 4 times more civilians per legal target than Hamas is.

SO REALITY quill not propaganda
the whole Idea that Muslims don't value life is Completely FOX news.

by Guest Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:22 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Meh…maybe they are doing it to piss people off.

Are there any firelines in Israel? I think the total Israeli defense is in the Iron Dome defense.

Wack-A-Mole or Humanity…they are still lives that would be better off if not killed. Muslims hold life to be very cheap. The point is, you settle one conflict, and as soon as you do Islamists are working on the next one.

Definition of MISSILE
1: capable of being thrown or projected to strike a distant object
2: adapted for throwing or hurling missiles

Origin of MISSILE
Latin missilis, from mittere to throw, send
First Known Use: 1611

Muslims Don't hold life any cheaper than Americans (US murder rate is Still double MOST Islamic nations even including Syria and UAE)... I don't know why you keep saying that because there is NO evidence for it in the Wider Muslim Community... And IDF hold life EVEN cheaper. Again the HIGHEST Civilian Kill ratio!!! only historically only Japan is worse during ww2 and before that you need to go t o the Boxer revolution in China. NO EUROPEAN has ever killed as many civilians per enemy combatant in the recorded history of warfare in Europe..

Again QUILL reality not propaganda, USA still kills more people every year than all the Islamic nations Combined.
Hamas has NOT blown up UN facilities, IDF has blown up 3 in the past fortnight .
SO your Whole argument is based off Propaganda there is no evidence for AND in no way addresses the Root Cause, Israel building on land it not supposed to, And you think they are allowed to do it specifically to annoy people. You do Realise that by doing that IT is the instigator of the conflict?

AND wait so now you saying the Hamas are throwing things... Seriously you can stick your 1611 Throwing rocks 'missile' UP YOUR ASS because there is MODERN MILITARY DEFINITION that don't include rocks because NO ONE IS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT THROWING ROCKS so I know TM is really dumb But even I don't think he meant Hamas is throwing Rocks

AND in Objects with ROCKET propulsion: MISSILE Means Guided projectile
Keep Arguing With Britannica . Cause your talking about Rocks I'm talking About the weapons being used by Hamas and IDF

YOU are a RACIST
I honestly Can't believe you are saying the Ridiculously stupid racist Crap about Muslims, Do you think blacks are like that too (or do you have some other racist interpretation of them)

Have you EVEN ever meet a Muslims. THEY are not Different and They DEFINITELY DO NOT HOLD life any cheaper than AMERICANS!!! (I have not meet enough Israelis to make a call) Even You and Ben both admit to Gun nut stuff and the need to own stuff to KILL other humans with and You and Ben are relatively LW sane Americans. MOST Muslims don't think a high calibre hand gun is a tool to keep snakes away, Because only Death crazed Cultures with No value of Life think like that...

You're mad Quill, Muslims have not even Started the Majority of Conflicts they have been in.
You say Muslims don't value Life and Israel does (And even that is SO racist because it is Hamas and IDF) But it is Hamas has killed 750% less civilians per combatant than the IDF.

IDF has a Civilians kill ratio of 75% of total deaths, the Nazis Including death camps barely make 50%. so Per Legitimate target IDF kill 50% more Innocent civilians than the Nazis.
In Afghanistan the USA still managed about 40%
Hamas has 10%
even the USA will happily(and did for years in Afghan) kill 4 times more civilians per legal target than Hamas is.

SO REALITY quill not propaganda
the whole Idea that Muslims don't value life is Completely FOX news.

Been saying that Quill is racist about Muslims for a long time, glad someone else noticed.

As for the 'Meh…maybe they are doing it to piss people off.' - a lawyer, casually dismissing theft of land against international law and the destruction of legally held homes?

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:04 pm

What's the kill rate of civilians for ISIS or boko haram or of Christians in Egypt or Libya etc???
Not seen any protests from the Islamised lefties about any of them...

by Guest Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:41 pm

Then you missed this:

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t6362-uk-steps-up-role-in-iraq-with-move-to-aid-kurds-and-yazidis-against-isis

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:20 pm

No, seen that you are praising one Iraqi pilot because he might be a Muslim but ignoring the thousands of Muslims who have massacred their way across Iraq and the Yazidi people are fleeing from fro dear of being killed because they are not Muslims....

by Original Quill Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:25 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Meh…maybe they are doing it to piss people off.

Are there any firelines in Israel? I think the total Israeli defense is in the Iron Dome defense.

Wack-A-Mole or Humanity…they are still lives that would be better off if not killed. Muslims hold life to be very cheap. The point is, you settle one conflict, and as soon as you do Islamists are working on the next one.

Definition of MISSILE
1: capable of being thrown or projected to strike a distant object
2: adapted for throwing or hurling missiles

Origin of MISSILE
Latin missilis, from mittere to throw, send
First Known Use: 1611

Muslims Don't hold life any cheaper than Americans (US murder rate is Still double MOST Islamic nations even including Syria and UAE)... I don't know why you keep saying that because there is NO evidence for it in the Wider Muslim Community... And IDF hold life EVEN cheaper. Again the HIGHEST Civilian Kill ratio!!! only historically only Japan is worse during ww2 and before that you need to go t o the Boxer revolution in China. NO EUROPEAN has ever killed as many civilians per enemy combatant in the recorded history of warfare in Europe..

Again QUILL reality not propaganda, USA still kills more people every year than all the Islamic nations Combined.
Hamas has NOT blown up UN facilities, IDF has blown up 3 in the past fortnight .
SO your Whole argument is based off Propaganda there is no evidence for AND in no way addresses the Root Cause, Israel building on land it not supposed to, And you think they are allowed to do it specifically to annoy people. You do Realise that by doing that IT is the instigator of the conflict?

AND wait so now you saying the Hamas are throwing things... Seriously you can stick your 1611 Throwing rocks 'missile' UP YOUR ASS because there is MODERN MILITARY DEFINITION that don't include rocks because NO ONE IS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT THROWING ROCKS so I know TM is really dumb But even I don't think he meant Hamas is throwing Rocks

AND in Objects with ROCKET propulsion: MISSILE Means Guided projectile
Keep Arguing With Britannica . Cause your talking about Rocks I'm talking About the weapons being used by Hamas and IDF

YOU are a RACIST
I honestly Can't believe you are saying the Ridiculously stupid racist Crap about Muslims, Do you think blacks are like that too (or do you have some other racist interpretation of them)

Have you EVEN ever meet a Muslims. THEY are not Different and They DEFINITELY DO NOT HOLD life any cheaper than AMERICANS!!! (I have not meet enough Israelis to make a call) Even You and Ben both admit to Gun nut stuff and the need to own stuff to KILL other humans with and You and Ben are relatively LW sane Americans. MOST Muslims don't think a high calibre hand gun is a tool to keep snakes away, Because only Death crazed Cultures with No value of Life think like that...

You're mad Quill, Muslims have not even Started the Majority of Conflicts they have been in.
You say Muslims don't value Life and Israel does (And even that is SO racist because it is Hamas and IDF) But it is Hamas has killed 750% less civilians per combatant than the IDF.

IDF has a Civilians kill ratio of 75% of total deaths, the Nazis Including death camps barely make 50%. so Per Legitimate target IDF kill 50% more Innocent civilians than the Nazis.
In Afghanistan the USA still managed about 40%
Hamas has 10%
even the USA will happily(and did for years in Afghan) kill 4 times more civilians per legal target than Hamas is.

SO REALITY quill not propaganda
the whole Idea that Muslims don't value life is Completely FOX news.

My discussion about rocks was in response to your argument that Hamas was not lighting off missiles, because they are rockets. The point is that all hurled weapons are missiles.

The most significant part of my post, so long ago, is that the argument is silly. Why argue about definitions when people are dying? Will it help anything? Of course not. Far better to try to stop all conflict between the two.

by Original Quill Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:27 pm

[quote="Sassy"]

veya_victaous wrote:
Been saying that Quill is racist about Muslims for a long time, glad someone else noticed.

As for the 'Meh…maybe they are doing it to piss people off.' - a lawyer, casually dismissing theft of land against international law and the destruction of legally held homes?

But hat's sassy, veya. Rolling Eyes

by Guest Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:30 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Sassy wrote:

But hat's sassy, veya.

No, that's Veya saying you are a racist, and me agreeing.

Here's what he said again:

YOU are a RACIST
I honestly Can't believe you are saying the Ridiculously stupid racist Crap about Muslims, Do you think blacks are like that too (or do you have some other racist interpretation of them)

by Original Quill Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:44 pm

Sassy wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

No, that's Veya saying you are a racist, and me agreeing.

Here's what he said again:

YOU are a RACIST
I honestly Can't believe you are saying the Ridiculously stupid racist Crap about Muslims, Do you think blacks are like that too (or do you have some other racist interpretation of them)

And look at you...the supreme anti-semitic. The bigot defends her/his bigotry by inventing mirror-image arguments, that have no basis in fact. But, no matter, it is a defense strategy, innit?

by Guest Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:46 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Sassy wrote:

No, that's Veya saying you are a racist, and me agreeing.

Here's what he said again:

YOU are a RACIST
I honestly Can't believe you are saying the Ridiculously stupid racist Crap about Muslims, Do you think blacks are like that too (or do you have some other racist interpretation of them)

And look at you...the supreme anti-semitic. The bigot defends her/his bigotry by inventing mirror-image arguments, that have no basis in fact. But, no matter, it is a defense strategy, innit?

Calling me anti semite simply won't cut the mustard Quill, when Jews all over the world are protesting about what the Israeli Government is doing. Sad when you have to resort to that when you have been shown up.

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:11 pm

Sadly Islamised lefties won't protest about what Muslim nut jobs are doing....

by Guest Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:18 pm

Please keep repeating that Tommy so people can see how you are deliberately misrepresenting and ignoring other threads on purpose. It shows you up beautifullly.

by Tommy Monk Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:26 pm

Not seen any protest anywhere, and certainly nothing like the lefties anti Israel ones recently....

Where's the socialist worker when you need them....???

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