An Israeli official has called for concentration camps in Gaza

Moshe Feiglin, Deputy Speaker of the Israeli Knesset and member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party, posted the inflammatory message on his Facebook page at the weekend.
He lays out a detailed plan for the destruction of Gaza - which includes shipping its residents across the world - in a letter he addressed to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The message, which received more than 2,000 likes on his page, lists four action points which he wants to be enforced as soon as possible.

In the letter he expresses his desire for the IDF to find areas on the Sinai border to establish 'tent encampments...until relevant emigration destinations are determined.'
He says that the supply of electricity and water to the Gaza would be disconnected before being 'shelled with maximum fire power.'

Feiglin’s Facebook page is verifiable as it is linked from his official page on the Knesset website.

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Disgusting.

I pray all Jews across the world shout their condemnations from every roof top.

Yes, you are going to get a lot of that...especially in time of war.  He will look back with a dumbfound look and say, Did I say that?

During WWII, my father shipped out as an officer in the US Navy, in Admiral Kinkade's Seventh Fleet in the Pacific theater.  For over a year, he and my older brother corresponded frequently.  I saved the letters he received on board ship.  My father, a Harvard educated physician, and my brother, later a Dartmouth and Berkeley educated doctor of nuclear physics--it is stunning what those letters contain...the hatred and names, and indeed, the plans they had for the racial group known as the Japanese. It was the way you spoke back then...and of course, y'all know what happened.

This will go on as long as there are wars, and the human being is imperfect in it's judgment.

Understood.

But he is actually extolling the same camps as thousands of his died in in horrendous and barbaric circumstances. Many Jews are still alive who remember the Holocaust and their families will never forget.

He is openly sanctioning Genocide.

gerber wrote:Understood.

But he is actually extolling the same camps as thousands of his died in in horrendous and barbaric circumstances.  Many Jews are still alive who remember the Holocaust and their families will never forget.

He is openly sanctioning Genocide.

Yes, amazing how the perspective changes. Keep in mind tho, Hamas is raining down missiles on his country. That's got to feel like Pearl Harbour did to us...and Pearl Harbour was only one morning.

Original Quill wrote:

gerber wrote:Understood.

But he is actually extolling the same camps as thousands of his died in in horrendous and barbaric circumstances.  Many Jews are still alive who remember the Holocaust and their families will never forget.

He is openly sanctioning Genocide.

Yes, amazing how the perspective changes.  Keep in mind tho, Hamas is raining down missiles on his country.  That's got to feel like Pearl Harbour did to us...and Pearl Harbour was only one morning.

Agreed they are but the Israeli defence mechanism ensures the vast majority are made useless before they get to strike the targets.

Imagine the world condemnation if one hit an Israeli school

IMO Hamas and the people of Gaza have reached the end of the line. dammed if they do and dammed if they don't because they will still be prisoners in a non performing state. Not allowed to survive unless at the behest of the Likud.

gerber wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, amazing how the perspective changes.  Keep in mind tho, Hamas is raining down missiles on his country.  That's got to feel like Pearl Harbour did to us...and Pearl Harbour was only one morning.

Agreed they are but the Israeli defence mechanism ensures the vast majority are made useless before they get to strike the targets.

Imagine the world condemnation if one hit an Israeli school

IMO Hamas and the people of Gaza have reached the end of the line.  dammed if they do and dammed if they don't because they will still be prisoners in a non performing state.  Not allowed to survive unless at the behest of the Likud.

Yes, Hamas was a baaaad mistake for Palestine.  But the Shi'ia are not going away soon.  Gaza is like the the porpoise who gets ensnared in a net.  The more he struggles, the more trapped he gets.

The missiles aren't endearing the world to the Palestinian cause.  Every three-day cease fire turns into an hour and a half, no more.  WTF...Iran doesn't want it to stop. No one in Tehran is suffering.

 

ISRAELI deaths this year = less than a couple of dozen...

PALESTINIAN deaths = approaching 1200.. Mostly civilians.
AND the Israeli military has deliberately murdered hundreds of children by bombing and shelling known schools, hospitals and orphanages on 5 or 6 occasions this year..

AND the Zionist Israeli instigators proudly cheered their hero "warriors" on from the safety of Tel Aviv...

It WOULD be different if those Hamas missiles actually hit anybody in Israel..  ::rambo:: 

Original Quill wrote:

gerber wrote:

Agreed they are but the Israeli defence mechanism ensures the vast majority are made useless before they get to strike the targets.

Imagine the world condemnation if one hit an Israeli school

IMO Hamas and the people of Gaza have reached the end of the line.  dammed if they do and dammed if they don't because they will still be prisoners in a non performing state.  Not allowed to survive unless at the behest of the Likud.

Yes, Hamas was a baaaad mistake for Palestine.  But the Shi'ia are not going away soon.  Gaza is like the the porpoise who gets ensnared in a net.  The more he struggles, the more trapped he gets.

The missiles aren't endearing the world to the Palestinian cause.  Every three-day cease fire turns into an hour and a half, no more.  WTF...Iran doesn't want it to stop.  No one in Tehran  is suffering.

No quite the opposite. Tehran has managed to get many sanctions lifted. BO has praised Iran. Iran is calling for all Muslims to take to arms to defend the Palestinians.

2,000 plus on social media have backed the ministers suggestions........

And the UN are where....... I understood that if the threat or suggestion of Genocide emerged the UN would send troops to the Country to prevent the atrocities. Do the US control the UN ?

Lone Wolf wrote: 

ISRAELI deaths this year = less than a couple of dozen...

PALESTINIAN deaths = approaching 1200..  Mostly civilians.
AND the Israeli military has deliberately murdered hundreds of children by bombing and shelling known schools, hospitals and orphanages on 5 or 6 occasions this year..

AND the Zionist Israeli instigators proudly cheered their hero "warriors" on from the safety of Tel Aviv...

It WOULD be different if those Hamas missiles actually hit anybody in Israel..    ::rambo:: 

And whose fault is it? Orders come directly from Teheran, through Hamas. Teheran is Shi'ia, and Palestine is Sunni...do you understand the beauty of the trick that Teheran has played, not only on the Palestinians, but on the world?

If you are still muddling down in the Israeli and Gaza debate, you don't get it.

gerber wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes, Hamas was a baaaad mistake for Palestine.  But the Shi'ia are not going away soon.  Gaza is like the the porpoise who gets ensnared in a net.  The more he struggles, the more trapped he gets.

The missiles aren't endearing the world to the Palestinian cause.  Every three-day cease fire turns into an hour and a half, no more.  WTF...Iran doesn't want it to stop.  No one in Tehran  is suffering.

No quite the opposite.  Tehran has managed to get many sanctions lifted.  BO has praised Iran.  Iran is calling for all Muslims to take to arms to defend the Palestinians.

2,000 plus on social media have backed the ministers suggestions........

And the UN are where.......  I understood that if the threat or suggestion of Genocide emerged the UN would send troops to the Country to prevent the atrocities.  Do the US control the UN ?

I have heard nothing out of Obama of this part of it.  He doesn't want to widen the theater, so he keeps his mouth shut.

Teheran has done nothing openly.  Wisely, they are keeping quiet.  All they need to have happen goes on in the back rooms.

We know this:

1.  Hamas rules Gaza;

2. Iran rules Hamas;

3.  Hamas is keeping this war going by firing off missiles from Gaza to Israel;

4.  Ergo: Iran is causing it all, and has neatly buried it's own involvement in a back room.

Do you know if the UN has an automatic mandate to act at the suggestion from the minister................... Total removal and abolition of the Palestinians ?

gerber wrote:Do you know if the  UN has an automatic mandate to act at the suggestion from the minister...................  Total removal and abolition of the Palestinians ?

What are you asking? Does the UN have such a mandate? Which minister?

I doubt if the UN has any such mandate anywhere. I should think Russia would have vetoed it, and right now it wouldn't exactly go over with the US.

@Quill
it is pretty rich trying to Blame Iran

At least THEIR nation is in the General Vicinity. The USA has MORE blood on its hands than Iran in this conflict. just because you are Doing it Via IDF proxies doesn't make it better.

AND any way NONE of it justifies the actions of the IDF.

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
it is pretty rich trying to Blame Iran

At least THEIR nation is in the General Vicinity. The USA has MORE blood on its hands than Iran in this conflict. just because you are Doing it Via IDF proxies doesn't make it better.

AND any way NONE of it justifies the actions of the IDF.

I disagree veya. Iran is behind all of this, and taking full advantage.

The US can do nothing. As soon as it negotiates a cease fire, Iran through Hamas breaks it within about 1 1/2 hours. There's nothing to be done.

Ummm the USA is Already Doing Heaps, Giving Israel 85% of it's Military Hardware...

which is about 10 times the dollar Value of Iran's Involvement
ALREADY without doing anything more, the USA is already 10 times more responsible than Iran for these crimes against humanity asd You are literally making and giving them the bombs and missiles to blow up Palestinian children and UN schools and Hospitals.

Any Argument that Iran has Any responsibility for the atrocities going on Now ALSO fall on the USA to a MUCH GREATER EXTENT Because they Are Spending VASTLY more money on Arming Israel than Iran is Spending on Hamas.


What Does Iran have to Gain?
Did they Create a Jewish State Out of Nowhere and Wack it in the Middle of the middle east?
It is the Wests and for the past half century the USA's fault they are behind this Obviously... you only invaded 2 nearby nations for resources in the past decade yet you some how want to plant this on a nation that has stayed within it's boarders? when You have Launched 2 Full scale invasions and Over thrown gov't in the region?
Seriously talk about Crazy... Blaming Iran for the US interests acquiring resources.. Do you believe the US army invaded Iraq to bring Freedom???

And the Last cease fire was broken By Israel shooting at Children AGAIN!!! and As shown time and time again Israel is Currently Acting Exactly like the Nazis and Shown by Multiple Social media accounts of Israeli and even Israeli Gov't Officials. Like this one calling for concentration camps and the other that called for genocide of Palestinians and justified killing Palestinians children because they could grow up to be terrorists.

try stepping back and taking off you American Bias glasses for a second Quill.   

Well, if the US didn't support Israel, Iran would make good on it's threats to kill every last Jew on earth.  I'm sure you wouldn't want that.

It's neither the US's problem, nor Australia's.  Unless Hamas wants to cooperate, it's out of our hands.

The truth of the matter is that Europe still has its hatred for the Jews lingering around since the 1930s.  That confuses the picture when it comes to Israel and western opinion.  Most of the voices we hear on this, your's included, as a member of the Commonwealth, reflect that lingering hatred.  We have none of it in the US, nor do we wish to have anything to do with it.

The US has never had a hatred for Jews.  They are treated like any other ethnic group over here.  We lack that singular detestation that Europe developed in the 19th and 20th centuries, and motivated Hitler.  Hence, the US support of Israel is unwavering.  

That is the real difference between America and Europe. We just don't think like Europeans, nor do we share the history of Europe, thank god.

Umm we have more jews per Capita than the USA
And we have less hate crimes against Every ethnicity...

Sorry Quill
We were White Slaves and had no black ones.. we we're the Under class of Europe sent to the other side of the world as an alternative to the gallows... It is Aussies that Don't have a problem with other races. we don't have enclaves and Ghettos.
And it is Jews in Australia Condemning the IDF the strongest because they Are not Prejudice Like the US Jews and the USA in general when it comes to the middle east and Islam.


AND
how does Iran kill Jews in Australia (or the USA)??? that is just a stupid suggestion.
Iran Still has not been funding Hamas as LONG as the USA has been funding IDF.. POINT still stands... Any accusation against Iran is double (at least) against the USA it is the height of hypocrisy to suggest otherwise... Who is good or bad is JUST opinion and perspective. Israel has Clearly said it plans to wipe out Palestinians and is proceed to do so by blowing up children, Regardless Of what you claim of Iran.. Actions speak louder than words, And Bombs blowing apart children Are LOUDER STILL!!!

So yes Unwavering Regardless of the Atrocities they Commit which make you JUST AS guilty, that is my whole argument and good to see you admit that it is 100% accurate.. Australia and New Zealand are different from both Europe and America WE DON'T TREAT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY because of their ethnicity.. We hold ALL to the same standards of Human decency Aussies WILL speak out against ANY group when that Commits Crimes against Humanity REGARDLESS of Skin colour or ethnicity.

the USA's Love of Jews is well known, Just like the USA's HATRED of Islam is Just as well known!!! so is that why you are trying so hard to Blame YOUR nations crimes on an Islamic state.. You are literally Blaming it all on them when you are doing the exact same but with 10 times resources and effect.

It's called Hypocrisy Quill       

I don't see it that way, veya. We'll just have to disagree.

Original Quill wrote:I don't see it that way, veya.  We'll just have to disagree.

I know Quill   
it is called Racism/Prejudice    and if often colours the way people see things and other people.
Like Didge you value an Israeli Life more than a Palestinian... A soldier over an unarmed child.   

All you have to do is Hold Israel to the Same Standards as you hold Hamas... and Israel become the greater of 2 evils by a metric-fuckton.

You can disagree...
But I am not expressing an opinion just giving Facts and Figures... ( I don't care greatly for either group beyond that fact they are people, I selfishly care far more about the truth)
I say you either cant count or a wilfully denying the truth because if you accepted the truth both Israel and Your own nation are by the aggressors, the instigators and the war criminals attempting an act of genocide in this case.

You talk of Iranian Dollars in the conflict when the are 100's US dollars for Every Iranian one   You talk of 2 bit unguided rockets from that can be built in a backyard while ignoring the Apaches loaded with Hellfire Missiles that are gifts from the USA.  

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
it is pretty rich trying to Blame Iran

At least THEIR nation is in the General Vicinity. The USA has MORE blood on its hands than Iran in this conflict. just because you are Doing it Via IDF proxies doesn't make it better.

AND any way NONE of it justifies the actions of the IDF.

I disagree veya.  Iran is behind all of this, and taking full advantage.

The US can do nothing.  As soon as it negotiates a cease fire, Iran through Hamas breaks it within about 1 1/2 hours.  There's nothing to be done.

Iran and Hamas parted company almost 4 years ago over the civil war in Syria. I'm sure they still have some rockets of Iranian origin but for the most part the rockets being fired off now are basically home made or they have come either from Syria or procured elsewhere without any real assistance from Iran.

Mind you, the current onslaught going on in Gaza is more likely to change that.

Keep up Quill.

Original Quill wrote:

gerber wrote:Do you know if the  UN has an automatic mandate to act at the suggestion from the minister...................  Total removal and abolition of the Palestinians ?

What are you asking?  Does the UN have such a mandate?  Which minister?

I doubt if the UN has any such mandate anywhere.  I should think Russia would have vetoed it, and right now it wouldn't exactly go over with the US.

They do actually, it's called the Genocide Convention which was put in place by the United Nations General Assembly on 9 Dec. 1948 and the USA is a signatory to that.

The Genocide Convention was even enshrined into US law in 1988 after it was ratified by the US Senate in 1986 - it's called the Proxmire Act. You should read up on it even if it is just to brush up your knowledge and bring it up more up to date.

If Israel were ever to continue supporting Israel with arms or any form of manpower to put in place what this idiotic Israeli minister is putting forward then people in the USA could be in serious trouble for doing so.

been and glanced at the facebook page. If any other country were extolling such barbaric actions and inciting more, the world would be on them like a ton of bricks. Sanctions etc followed by force.

Disgusting it is allowed to remain on social media.

IMO it is incitement.

Irn Bru wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I disagree veya.  Iran is behind all of this, and taking full advantage.

The US can do nothing.  As soon as it negotiates a cease fire, Iran through Hamas breaks it within about 1 1/2 hours.  There's nothing to be done.

Iran and Hamas parted company almost 4 years ago over the civil war in Syria. I'm sure they still have some rockets of Iranian origin but for the most part the rockets being fired off now are basically home made or they have come either from Syria or procured elsewhere without any real assistance from Iran.

Mind you, the current onslaught going on in Gaza is more likely to change that.

Keep up Quill.

It's not about me, Irn.  The evidence just hasn't come to me...Hamas no longer has any relations with Iran??  Perhaps you have a link.

Rockets from nether-netherland?  That's a good one.  Missiles are not IEDs, Irn. They don't manufacture them in Gaza.

Irn Bru wrote:If Israel were ever to continue supporting Israel with arms or any form of manpower to put in place what this idiotic Israeli minister is putting forward then people in the USA could be in serious trouble for doing so.

And you can be sure Israel will continue supporting them.  Lol.

Had to laugh, even tho I know it was a typo.  What the US is providing to Israel today, in the main, are the components for the Iron Shield, which is protecting Israel and preventing the Hamas/Gazans from completing their mission of genocide.

What you are suggesting is that the Genocide Convention should be promoting genocide.  I don't envision the UN supporting that.

Original Quill wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:If Israel were ever to continue supporting Israel with arms or any form of manpower to put in place what this idiotic Israeli minister is putting forward then people in the USA could be in serious trouble for doing so.

And you can be sure Israel will continue supporting them.  Lol.

Had to laugh, even tho I know it was a typo.  What the US is providing to Israel today, in the main, are the components for the Iron Shield, which is protecting Israel and preventing the Hamas/Gazans from completing their mission of genocide.

What you are suggesting is that the Genocide Convention should be promoting genocide.  I don't envision the UN supporting that.

Once again your facts are totally incorrect:

The US government must immediately end its ongoing deliveries of large quantities of arms to Israel, which are providing the tools to commit further serious violations of international law in Gaza, said Amnesty International, as it called for a total arms embargo on all parties to the conflict.



The call comes amid reports that the Pentagon has approved the immediate transfer of grenades and mortar rounds to the Israeli armed forces from a US arms stockpile pre-positioned in Israel, and follows a shipment of 4.3 tons of US-manufactured rocket motors, which arrived in the Israeli port of Haifa on 15 July.



These deliveries add to more than US$62 million worth of munitions, including guided missile parts and rocket launchers, artillery parts and small arms, already exported from the USA to Israel between January and May this year.



“The US government is adding fuel to the fire by continuing its supply of the type of arms being used by Israel’s armed forces to violate human rights. The US government must accept that by repeatedly shipping and paying for such arms on this scale they are exacerbating and further enabling grave abuses to be committed against civilians during the conflict in Gaza,” said Brian Wood, Head of Arms Control and Human Rights at Amnesty International.



Palestinian armed groups have continued to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel, endangering civilians in flagrant violation of international law. Amnesty International has repeatedly called for an immediate end to such attacks, which amount to war crimes.



Last week the speaker of the Iranian parliament said Iran had provided arms manufacturing know-how to Hamas in Gaza. In November 2012 he said Iran had given both financial and military support to Hamas and the Commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said missile technology has been supplied. Hamas fighters have admitted to firing Iranian-type Fajr 5 missiles towards Tel Aviv, but mostly fire shorter-range M25 or “Qassam” rockets.



The USA is by far the largest exporter of military equipment to Israel. According to data made public by the US government, its arms transfers to Israel from January to May 2014 included nearly $27million for “rocket launchers”, $9.3 million worth in “parts of guided missiles” and nearly $762,000 for “bombs, grenades and munitions of war”.



Since 2012, the USA has exported $276 million worth of basic weapons and munitions to Israel, a figure that excludes exports of military transport equipment and high technologies.



The news on 30 July that the USA had allowed the resupply of munitions to Israel came the same day the US government condemned the shelling of a UN school in Gaza which killed at least 20 people, including children and UN humanitarian workers.



“It is deeply cynical for the White House to condemn the deaths and injuries of Palestinians, including children, and humanitarian workers, when it knows full well that the Israeli military responsible for such attacks are armed to the teeth with weapons and equipment bankrolled by US taxpayers,” said Brian Wood.



Amnesty International is calling on the UN to immediately impose a comprehensive arms embargo on Israel, Hamas and Palestinian armed groups with the aim of preventing violations of international humanitarian law and human rights by all sides.



In the absence of a UN arms embargo, the organization is calling on all states to unilaterally suspend all transfers of military equipment, assistance and munitions to all parties to the conflict. They should not resume until violations committed in previous conflicts are properly investigated with those responsible brought to justice.



“As the leading arms exporter to Israel, the USA must lead the way and demonstrate its proclaimed respect for human rights and international humanitarian law by urgently suspending arms transfers to Israel and pushing for a UN arms embargo on all parties to the conflict. By failing to do so it is displaying a callous disregard for lives being lost in the conflict on all sides,” said Brian Wood.

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/usa-stop-arms-transfers-israel-amid-growing-evidence-war-crimes-gaza-2014-07-31

Yes, I am familiar with Amnesty International. They are a very good, well-intentioned organization. But they are a focused group, aimed at certain, specific issues.

They are not skilled in diplomatic matters, and have no care or concern for geopolitical negotiations. They are liable to say just what you reflect in your post. Truth is often a victim with AI.

The US built the Iron Dome, which is protecting Israel from Hamas aggression as we speak. Yes, the Iron Dome is built of missiles. But they are defensive missiles, not offensive weapons.

That is what the US is supplying to the Iranians. I couldn't be happier that they are saving lives.

Original Quill wrote:Yes, I am familiar with Amnesty International.  They are a very good, well-intentioned organization.  But they are a focused group, aimed at certain, specific issues.

They are not skilled in diplomatic matters, and have no care or concern for geopolitical negotiations.  They are liable to say just what you reflect in your post.  Truth is often a victim with AI.

The US built the Iron Dome, which is protecting Israel from Hamas aggression as we speak.  Yes, the Iron Dome is built of missiles.  But they are defensive missiles, not offensive weapons.  

That is what the US is supplying to the Iranians.  I couldn't be happier that they are saving lives.

We are not discussing Amnesty, we are discussing your complete lack of facts about what arms America is supplying to Israel. You can stick you head in the sand as much as you like, the facts are there for all to see.

Sassy wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Yes, I am familiar with Amnesty International.  They are a very good, well-intentioned organization.  But they are a focused group, aimed at certain, specific issues.

They are not skilled in diplomatic matters, and have no care or concern for geopolitical negotiations.  They are liable to say just what you reflect in your post.  Truth is often a victim with AI.

The US built the Iron Dome, which is protecting Israel from Hamas aggression as we speak.  Yes, the Iron Dome is built of missiles.  But they are defensive missiles, not offensive weapons.  

That is what the US is supplying to the Iranians.  I couldn't be happier that they are saving lives.

We are not discussing Amnesty, we are discussing your complete lack of facts about what arms America is supplying to Israel.    You can stick you head in the sand as much as you like, the facts are there for all to see.

It is not about me, sass. We have been discussing Gaza and Israel on this thread.

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:

We are not discussing Amnesty, we are discussing your complete lack of facts about what arms America is supplying to Israel.    You can stick you head in the sand as much as you like, the facts are there for all to see.

It is not about me, sass.  We have been discussing Gaza and Israel on this thread.

It most definitely isn't about you, it's about a member of the Israeli Government calling for the expulsion of the people of Gaza to concentration camps and Israel taking Gaza as part of Israel against international law.

Original Quill wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I disagree veya.  Iran is behind all of this, and taking full advantage.

The US can do nothing.  As soon as it negotiates a cease fire, Iran through Hamas breaks it within about 1 1/2 hours.  There's nothing to be done.

Iran and Hamas parted company almost 4 years ago over the civil war in Syria. I'm sure they still have some rockets of Iranian origin but for the most part the rockets being fired off now are basically home made or they have come either from Syria or procured elsewhere without any real assistance from Iran.

Mind you, the current onslaught going on in Gaza is more likely to change that.

Keep up Quill.

It's not about me, Irn.  The evidence just hasn't come to me...Hamas no longer has any relations with Iran??  Perhaps you have a link.

Rockets from nether-netherland?  That's a good one.  Missiles are not IEDs, Irn.  They don't manufacture them in Gaza.

Your right Quill. It isn't about you. It was never about you. You just want it to be about you. It's about a minister in the Israeli government and the statements he has made.
I know IEDs are not missiles and it's just silly to come out with such a remark. Never mind, I'll give you a link anyway which will probably be batted away with a flippant remark but I'll give you one anyway as a starter.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.603957

The onslaught is indiscriminate and unrelenting, with but one possible conclusion: Israel is not fighting the terrorists of Hamas. In defiance of the laws of war and the norms of civilised behaviour, it is waging its own war of terror on the entire Gaza population of about 1.7 million people. Call it genocide, call it ethnic cleansing: the aim is to kill Arabs.

As none other than Malcolm Fraser tweeted this week: "If any other country went to war killing as many civilians, women and children, it would be named a war crime." But it is not, although the UN is asking the question of both sides.

Yes, Hamas is also trying to kill Israeli civilians, with a barrage of rockets and guerilla border attacks. It, too, is guilty of terror and grave war crimes. But Israeli citizens and their homes and towns have been effectively shielded by the nation's Iron Dome defence system, and so far only three of its civilians have died in this latest conflict. The Israeli response has been out of all proportion, a monstrous distortion of the much-vaunted right of self defence.

It is a breathtaking irony that these atrocities can be committed by a people with a proud liberal tradition of scholarship and culture, who hold the Warsaw Ghetto and the six million dead of the Holocaust at the centre of their race memory. But this is a new and brutal Israel dominated by the hardline, right-wing Likud Party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition. As one observer puts it: "All the seeds of the incitement of the past few years, all the nationalistic, racist legislation and the incendiary propaganda, the scare campaigns and the subversion of democracy by the right-wing camp – all these have borne fruit, and that fruit is rank and rotten. The nationalist right has now sunk to a new level, with almost the whole country following in its wake. The word 'fascism', which I try to use as little as possible, finally has its deserved place in the Israeli political discourse."

Fascism in Israel? At this point the Australian Likudniks, as Bob Carr calls them, will be lunging for their keyboards. There will be the customary torrent of abusive emails calling me a Nazi, an anti-Semite, a Holocaust denier, an ignoramus. As usual they will demand my resignation, my sacking. As it's been before, some of this will be pornographic or threatening violence.

In fact, that paragraph within the quotation marks was written by an Israeli. Gideon Levy is a columnist and editorial board member of the daily newspaper Ha’aretz. Born in Tel Aviv to parents who fled the Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1939, he despairs of what his country has become and the catastrophe its armed forces are visiting upon Gaza. After a recent column calling on Israeli pilots to stop bombing and rocketing civilians, his life was threatened and he now has a bodyguard day and night. It has come to that. In the worst insult of all, Levy is branded "a self-hating Jew".

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/israels-rank-and-rotten-fruit-is-being-called-fascism-20140724-zwd2t.html#ixzz39Z0xvF3w

http://www.news.com.au/national/mike-carlton-resigns-from-fairfax-media-after-intense-pressure-from-antisemitic-backlash/story-fncynjr2-1227014902423

FAIRFAX has confirmed columnist Mike Carlton has resigned after intense pressure to apologise after using anti-semitic and abusive language towards readers.

Fairfax’s Head of Business Media Sean Alymer told 2UE this morning: “What got him in a lot of trouble is the way he responded to those readers. It’s not the article itself, it’s the way he treated readers.”

Carlton was caught out sending abusive emails and tweets to readers who questioned his position on the conflict in Gaza, calling one critic a “Jewish bigot” and telling several others to “f**k off”.

Original Quill wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:If Israel were ever to continue supporting Israel with arms or any form of manpower to put in place what this idiotic Israeli minister is putting forward then people in the USA could be in serious trouble for doing so.

And you can be sure Israel will continue supporting them.  Lol.

Had to laugh, even tho I know it was a typo.  What the US is providing to Israel today, in the main, are the components for the Iron Shield, which is protecting Israel and preventing the Hamas/Gazans from completing their mission of genocide.

What you are suggesting is that the Genocide Convention should be promoting genocide.  I don't envision the UN supporting that.

Sorry about the typo which you at least recognised it as that just as I recognise your typo in typing Iron Shield instead of Iron Dome.

Ad now that I have made you aware of the Genocide Convention and it being enshrined into US law you can now read up on it and update yourself on what that means in relation to what the consequences could be if the US were to continue supporting Israel with arms and manpower should they ever embark on what that clown of a minister has proposed.

Original Quill wrote:Yes, I am familiar with Amnesty International.  They are a very good, well-intentioned organization.  But they are a focused group, aimed at certain, specific issues.

They are not skilled in diplomatic matters, and have no care or concern for geopolitical negotiations.  They are liable to say just what you reflect in your post.  Truth is often a victim with AI.

The US built the Iron Dome, which is protecting Israel from Hamas aggression as we speak.  Yes, the Iron Dome is built of missiles.  But they are defensive missiles, not offensive weapons.  

That is what the US is supplying to the Iranians.  I couldn't be happier that they are saving lives.

Iron dome wasn't built by the US. It was designed, developed and built in Israel albeit with considerable funding from the US.

Even though it was a typo I had to laugh at you stating that the US are supplying Iron Dome to the Iranians.

Irn Bru wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Yes, I am familiar with Amnesty International.  They are a very good, well-intentioned organization.  But they are a focused group, aimed at certain, specific issues.

They are not skilled in diplomatic matters, and have no care or concern for geopolitical negotiations.  They are liable to say just what you reflect in your post.  Truth is often a victim with AI.

The US built the Iron Dome, which is protecting Israel from Hamas aggression as we speak.  Yes, the Iron Dome is built of missiles.  But they are defensive missiles, not offensive weapons.  

That is what the US is supplying to the Iranians.  I couldn't be happier that they are saving lives.

Iron dome wasn't built by the US. It was designed, developed and built in Israel albeit with considerable funding from the US.

Even though it was a typo I had to laugh at you stating that the US are supplying Iron Dome to the Iranians.

Yes, that's why I went easy on you.  There are so many players that it is easy to typo in an error. Besides, I think that kind of thing is tacky.

But I do think I am correct that the Israeli defense system is called Iron Dome:

Wiki wrote:Iron Dome (Hebrew: כִּפַּת בַּרְזֶל, kippat barzel) is a mobile all-weather air defense system[8] developed by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.[7] The system is designed to intercept and destroy short-range rockets and artillery shells fired from distances of 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) to 70 kilometres (43 mi) away and whose trajectory would take them to a populated area.[9][10] Israel hopes to increase the range of Iron Dome's interceptions, from the current maximum of 70 kilometres (43 mi) to 250 kilometres (160 mi) and make it more versatile so that it could intercept rockets coming from two directions simultaneously.[11]

Iron Dome was declared operational and initially deployed on 27 March 2011 near Beersheba.[12] On 7 April 2011, the system successfully intercepted a Grad rocket launched from Gaza for the first time.[13] On 10 March 2012, The Jerusalem Post reported that the system shot down 90% of rockets launched from Gaza that would have landed in populated areas.[10] By November 2012, official statements indicated that it had intercepted 400+ rockets.[14][15] On 19 November, defense reporter Mark Thompson wrote that while these numbers were impossible to confirm, the "lack of Israeli casualties suggests Iron Dome is the most-effective, most-tested missile shield the world has ever seen."

Iron Dome was designed and built by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, however the US paid for it:

CBS News wrote:
WASHINGTON -- Both the House and Senate on Friday rushed approved a $225 million bill to replenish Israel's missile defense system.

The money will go to restocking Israel's Iron Dome, which has been credited with shooting down dozens of incoming rockets fired by Palestinian militants over three and a half weeks of war. The vote came two days after the Pentagon announced ammunition deliveries to the Jewish state and as a planned 72-hour cease-fire between Israel and Hamas unraveled almost as quickly as it began.