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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:11 pm

In the court of international opinion, this is how Israel wins a battle and still manages to lose the war.

Four boys playing innocently on a beach blown apart by high-tech weaponry.

The Israeli Defence Force says its investigating.

The few facts we know so far could not be worse.

Its being reported that this was an air strike; that there were two missiles; and that after the first explosion the boys ran for cover, straight into the second blast.

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The wreckage of a shipping container that bore the brunt of one of the strikes. Credit: Reuters

A military analyst, speaking on Israeli TV tonight, says it's possible they were mistaken for Hamas fighters.

Possible, he adds, but unlikely.

Israel says no army in the world goes as far as it does to minimize civilian casualties.

It's warned 100,000 residents of Gaza to evacuate their homes.

But where we these boys to run? Into the sea?

Yesterday, in observing a six hour, one-sided ceasefire, Israel staked a claim to the moral high-ground.

On a beach in Gaza today, that claim too came under fire.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-07-16/israels-position-on-moral-high-ground-over-gaza-conflict-comes-under-question/

Israel army 'hopes' there were targets near Gaza beach

So far the Israeli military are saying very little about this attack beyond the fact that they are investigating it.

And that's because that they know potentially of the ramifications in terms of international opinion about this conflict are very, very serious indeed.

When I asked a spokeswoman for the army whether they were targets nearby she said, rather nervously, "we hope so."

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-07-16/israel-army-hopes-there-were-targets-near-gaza-beach/


So much for being sure they never target civilians.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:51 pm

Meanwhile sexy mama the Muslims openly supports hitlers genocide of the Jews


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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:53 pm

Like Smelly supported Brievik.

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Post by SEXY MAMA Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:58 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:Meanwhile sexy mama the Muslims openly supports hitlers genocide of the Jews


You obviously cannot read......

I said tossers who JERK OFF SEEING Muslim CHILDREN BEING SLAUGHTERED SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANNIHILATED!

Unlike you who openly declares LAUGHING AT Muslim CHILDREN DYING.

You are the sick bastard
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Post by Guest Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:10 pm

Yep, like he laughed at the children Breveik killed.

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:11 am

smelly_bandit wrote:Meanwhile sexy mama the Muslims openly supports hitlers genocide of the Jews


No she said, Hitler should have killed sick fucks that jerk off over the corpses of children  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

Does anyone deny that would have been a better target  Suspect Suspect Suspect 
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Post by Guest Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:19 am

veya_victaous wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:Meanwhile sexy mama the Muslims openly supports hitlers genocide of the Jews


No she said, Hitler should have killed sick fucks that jerk off over the corpses of children  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

Does anyone deny that would have been a better target  Suspect Suspect Suspect 



Sorry Veya, two wrongs do not make a right, all such comments should be condemned and Hitler wanted to wipe out many different people's, what next, if some Homosexuals say something vile, would it be acceptable to say, Hitler should have wiped them out? What if some Slavs had said something horrible, would it be acceptable? You do not resolve such hatred, be being as hateful, as this is has such hate spreads. Smelly is scum and has been told he is scum for showing glee over Muslim children being killed or saying only a good Muslims is a dead Muslim. The reality is he is vile and the lowest vilest idiot going for saying such things and gets condemned for it, because he is the by-product of extremist indoctrination. All such comments should be condemned and you do not try to justify such comments, if other people say them.

For fuck's sake, this hows why even more that the arguments on who is to blame in this conflict lead only to more hate and only peace and reconciliation is the way forward as decades of such hate have only led to innocent people dying, there is never any excuse with any such comments made by anyone which seeks to target a whole group, whether they are as stated, religious, ethnic etc

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:01 am

it is a fine line, she did not say Jews.

You read Jews into her 'these people' comment
so who is being racist SM is a Muslim so 'These people' must be an all inclusive Jewish people....
the thread was clearly About people Celebrating the death of not only fellow humans but women and children.... 'these people' therefore means "people Celebrating the death of not only fellow humans but women and children"

I hate authority, I hate censorship, I hate hypocrisy and I can not sit hear having read the amount of Bile/lies Multiple posters not just smelly have said about Muslims and let SM get attacked for posting what is LESS! Smelly clearly writes Muslims not a nondescript 'these people' that can be taken as posted toward a valid target (people orgasming to children getting blown up) I will defend SM she was smart enough to use language that is undefined enough to defend. If she had said Jew I would not be able to defend her.

And I'm pretty sure I have made My opinion clear, that I don't agree with any monotheists and would love to see a world were none followed any organised religion (particularly those of the one-god).
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veya_victaous wrote:it is a fine line, she did not say Jews.

You read Jews into her 'these people' comment
so who is being racist SM is a Muslim so 'These people' must be an all inclusive Jewish people....  
the thread was clearly About people Celebrating the death of not only fellow humans but women and children.... 'these people' therefore means "people Celebrating the death of not only fellow humans but women and children"

I hate authority, I hate censorship, I hate hypocrisy and I can not sit hear having read the amount of Bile/lies Multiple posters not just smelly have said about Muslims and let SM get attacked for posting what is LESS! Smelly clearly writes Muslims not a nondescript 'these people' that can be taken as posted toward a valid target (people orgasming to children getting blown up) I will defend SM she was smart enough to use language that is undefined enough to defend. If she had said Jew I would not be able to defend her.

And I'm pretty sure I have made My opinion clear, that I don't agree with any monotheists and would love to see a world were none followed any organised religion (particularly those of the one-god).


Are these people Jews?
Thus, "these people" implies" Jews and she meant Jews, there is no denying that, where she made reference to the worlds most evil person who did commit genocide on Jews, as show me where Hitler wiped out a group of of people in comparison to the people she quoted? In other words, she meant Jews, as there is no other comparison accept this.

Two wrongs do not make a right and you are trying to justify her comments, that is wrong on every level and I and many others condemn smelly daily, in fact what you are doing is actually justifying smelly saying the same, making it acceptable, which is wrong on every level.

Again, are you having difficult understanding basic English? I constantly berate smelly all the time for his bile, I stand against his racism, his xenophobia, all his hate and condemn him all the time, so all you are doing is actually backing him by backing what Sexy said. So what hypocrisy on my part when I condemn him all the time. Sorry you are making the worst appalling excuses anyone can come out with. What she said was wrong an there is no excuse for it, just as there is no excuse for when smelly does and lets face facts, you allow smelly as a moderator when he does!

So you hate 4 billion people and use a fallacy association they are all the same now, wow!

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:04 am

EXACTLY
I ALLOW SMELLY
SO WHY WOULD I NOT ALLOW SEXY MAMA?
ohh shit didge don't tell Andy a Left winger that is actually standing up for freedom of expression over PC bullshit.

SHE DID NOT SAY IT. You took it to mean Jews I took it to mean 'People jerking off to dead kids'. I will try and give everyone every benefit of the doubt when reading what they wrote.

No, I never said I hate peoples I just wish they didn't exist. Rolling Eyes  the Groups that is, the vast majority of individuals in them would bend which ever way the wind blows as seen countless times through out history.

Lovely little saying there...
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
but they do make a fight
and when there is a fight
then might is always right  Razz Razz Razz Razz 
(I don't believe that but unfortunately it is true  Sad )
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Post by Guest Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:EXACTLY
I ALLOW SMELLY
SO WHY WOULD I NOT ALLOW SEXY MAMA?
ohh shit didge don't tell Andy a Left winger that is actually standing up for freedom of expression over PC bullshit.

SHE DID NOT SAY IT. You took it to mean Jews I took it to mean 'People jerking off to dead kids'. I will try and give everyone every benefit of the doubt when reading what they wrote.

No, I never said I hate peoples I just wish they didn't exist. Rolling Eyes  the Groups that is, the vast majority of individuals in them would bend which ever way the wind blows as seen countless times through out history.

Lovely little saying there...
"Two wrongs do not make a right"
but they do make a fight
and when there is a fight
then might is always right  Razz Razz Razz Razz 
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How many more times do I need to educate you?

She made reference to a group of Jewish people and Hitler and the holocaust, the connection then is quite simple, the people she refers to are Jewish, that is plain and simple.
I am glad you allow free speech, what I am condemning is your poor choice to defend her right to say what she said and not condemn it. I am making the point you are using smelly and do not moderate what he says. So you cannot if in one breath go on about smelly when you back someone doing as he does, you make his views acceptable which it seems is so way above your comprehension.

Wow so you now wish people did not exist? There is much wrong with a literal belief, but there is also so great good within religious people also, by your words not existing is what has been used to even commit genocide onto people. You do not change a problem by eradicating groups of people or wishing they did not exist, what you do is change perceptions, as has been seen with religion in the west, where people still have beliefs in a deity, but do not hold to daft commands found within that faith


Again there is no excuse for what she said, plain and simple and I find it appalling people try to defend it, as by doing so they defend smelly saying the vile crap he does

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:25 am

I really have had enough I can stomach for one night anyway, if people say things that are wrong they should be condemned, no matter their personal like or dislike onto a poster. I have been condemned and rightly so when I say things that are out of line, and happily accept the fact I have been wrong.

I like Sexy loads, but what she says, concerns me more than anything that such conflicts as stated will lead and allow such hate to breed, based again on a view of vengeance. The point is I do not hear the same claim to happen to other people where people are persecuted and wronged. You see countless women and children dying in Syria and Iraq, yet people always center on one area of conflict, where there are many wrongs in the world, which I condemn all of them, but as seen where people allow themselves to take a side, and take it to a level of extreme, then extreme view points are made as seen, which are wrong.

My worry is again some Muslims are jumping up and down about Israel, fine, I understand that, but I do not see the same outrage about many wrongs of persecution within Muslim countries themselves, to the point I do not see protests being organised on the same level against the leaders of certain Muslim Theocracies.
Which to me shows the worst hypocrisy. 9000  children in a few years have been killed in Syria.


No offense to you as well Sexy, but what you said was so wrong on every level, making reference to Hitler as you did, the worlds most evil man to have lived to back a view he should have wiped out a people, which can only mean Jews, as these people today were not alive back then, means you clearly did infer Jews as a people, which is wrong on every level. You know I have condemned smelly countless times throughout the years when he posts such hate, so I will condemn you as what you posted was the same. It means I am condemning what you said as it is as wrong as what smelly's says and two wrongs do not make  right

Hate only breeds more hate and as seen only leads eventually to extremism, hence why people uniting together on both sides to bring about peace is the way forward.

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:54 am

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How many more times do I need to educate you?

She made reference to a group of people that happened to be jewish and Hitler and the holocaust, the connection then is quite simple,
the people she refers to are Jewish, that is plain and simple.
I am glad you allow free speech, what I am condemning is your poor choice to defend her right to say what she said and not condemn it. I am making the point you are using smelly and do not moderate what he says. So you cannot if in one breath go on about smelly when you back someone doing as he does, you make his views acceptable which it seems is so way above your comprehension.  

Wow so you now wish people did not exist? There is much wrong with a literal belief, but there is also so great good within religious people also, by your words not existing is what has been used to even commit genocide onto people. You do not change a problem by eradicating groups of people or wishing they did not exist, what you do is change perceptions, as has been seen with religion in the west, where people still have beliefs in a deity, but do not hold to daft commands found within that faith


Again there is no excuse for what she said, plain and simple and I find it appalling people try to defend it, as by doing so they defend smelly saying the vile crap he does

yep quite simple, you believe the Ultra PC rubbish version of racism that gives people like BigAndy and smelly the ability to call it ridiculous. You believe IF it can be taken as a racist comment than it must be....
I believe the Opposite If it can be taken the other way then is should be, I will assume the best of people I will assume they meant it in the least racist way possible.

to make them not exist you don't have to kill/eradicate either... I would convert to glory of science and secularism.... the organised religions will not exist, I didn't have to commit genocide to do it... try think out side the box  Rolling Eyes 


And I don't justify anything it does not even come into my thinking, things happen or they don't, they did or did not.
Gǣð ā Wyrd swā hīo scel! Fate goes ever as it must.

History is what has already past, it does not need justification because it is.

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:57 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Phildidge wrote:

How many more times do I need to educate you?

She made reference to a group of people that happened to be jewish and Hitler and the holocaust, the connection then is quite simple,
the people she refers to are Jewish, that is plain and simple.
I am glad you allow free speech, what I am condemning is your poor choice to defend her right to say what she said and not condemn it. I am making the point you are using smelly and do not moderate what he says. So you cannot if in one breath go on about smelly when you back someone doing as he does, you make his views acceptable which it seems is so way above your comprehension.  

Wow so you now wish people did not exist? There is much wrong with a literal belief, but there is also so great good within religious people also, by your words not existing is what has been used to even commit genocide onto people. You do not change a problem by eradicating groups of people or wishing they did not exist, what you do is change perceptions, as has been seen with religion in the west, where people still have beliefs in a deity, but do not hold to daft commands found within that faith


Again there is no excuse for what she said, plain and simple and I find it appalling people try to defend it, as by doing so they defend smelly saying the vile crap he does

yep quite simple, you believe the Ultra PC rubbish version of racism that gives people like BigAndy and smelly the ability to call it ridiculous. You believe IF it can be taken as a racist comment than it must be....
I believe the Opposite If it can be taken the other way then is should be, I will assume the best of people I will assume they meant it in the least racist way possible.

to make them not exist you don't have to kill/eradicate either... I would convert to glory of science and secularism.... the organised religions will not exist, I didn't have to commit genocide to do it... try think out side the box  Rolling Eyes 


And I don't justify anything it does not even come into my thinking, things happen or they don't, they did or did not.
Gǣð ā Wyrd swā hīo scel! Fate goes ever as it must.

History is what has already past, it does not need justification because it is.



That shows not only that you cannot read or that you did not understand what I said, I said I am fine you it allow free speech, what I said is wrong is you defend what she said, not that she is allowed to say it and you do this by saying smelly can also say what he likes, which nobody is saying he cannot have free speech, but that he is condemned also.

The Jews have been persecuted by countless different ethnic groups of people, that shows they have been hated by more groups of people than anyone else, showing they have been the most persecuted in history
by far, because as seen how many groups have persecuted them over time?
You are fucking clueless as seen and I cannot be bothered to debate a dummy!
How you defend what she says is disgusting

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:01 am

Phildidge wrote:I really have had enough I can stomach for one night anyway, if people say things that are wrong they should be condemned, no matter their personal like or dislike onto a poster. I have been condemned and rightly so when I say things that are out of line, and happily accept the fact I have been wrong.

I like Sexy loads, but what she says, concerns me more than anything that such conflicts as stated will lead and allow such hate to breed, based again on a view of vengeance. The point is I do not hear the same claim to happen to other people where people are persecuted and wronged. You see countless women and children dying in Syria and Iraq, yet people always center on one area of conflict, where there are many wrongs in the world, which I condemn all of them, but as seen where people allow themselves to take a side, and take it to a level of extreme, then extreme view points are made as seen, which are wrong.

My worry is again some Muslims are jumping up and down about Israel, fine, I understand that, but I do not see the same outrage about many wrongs of persecution within Muslim countries themselves, to the point I do not see protests being organised on the same level against the leaders of certain Muslim Theocracies.
Which to me shows the worst hypocrisy. 9000  children in a few years have been killed in Syria.


No offense to you as well Sexy, but what you said was so wrong on every level, making reference to Hitler as you did, the worlds most evil man to have lived to back a view he should have wiped out a people, which can only mean Jews, OR GAYS OR GYPSIES OR THE PEOPLE IN THE ARTICLE THAT THE COMMENT WAS POSTED ON as these people today were not alive back then, means you clearly did infer Jews as a people,  which is wrong on every level. You know I have condemned smelly countless times throughout the years when he posts such hate, so I will condemn you as what you posted was the same. It means I am condemning what you said as it is as wrong as what smelly's says and two wrongs do not make  right

Hate only breeds more hate and as seen only leads eventually to extremism, hence why people uniting together on both sides to bring about peace is the way forward.

IF WW3 is coming I am a secular extremist  tongue tongue tongue tongue 
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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:27 am

Phildidge wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Phildidge wrote:

How many more times do I need to educate you?

She made reference to a group of people that happened to be jewish and Hitler and the holocaust, the connection then is quite simple,
the people she refers to are Jewish, that is plain and simple.
I am glad you allow free speech, what I am condemning is your poor choice to defend her right to say what she said and not condemn it. I am making the point you are using smelly and do not moderate what he says. So you cannot if in one breath go on about smelly when you back someone doing as he does, you make his views acceptable which it seems is so way above your comprehension.  

Wow so you now wish people did not exist? There is much wrong with a literal belief, but there is also so great good within religious people also, by your words not existing is what has been used to even commit genocide onto people. You do not change a problem by eradicating groups of people or wishing they did not exist, what you do is change perceptions, as has been seen with religion in the west, where people still have beliefs in a deity, but do not hold to daft commands found within that faith


Again there is no excuse for what she said, plain and simple and I find it appalling people try to defend it, as by doing so they defend smelly saying the vile crap he does

yep quite simple, you believe the Ultra PC rubbish version of racism that gives people like BigAndy and smelly the ability to call it ridiculous. You believe IF it can be taken as a racist comment than it must be....
I believe the Opposite If it can be taken the other way then is should be, I will assume the best of people I will assume they meant it in the least racist way possible.

to make them not exist you don't have to kill/eradicate either... I would convert to glory of science and secularism.... the organised religions will not exist, I didn't have to commit genocide to do it... try think out side the box  Rolling Eyes 


And I don't justify anything it does not even come into my thinking, things happen or they don't, they did or did not.
Gǣð ā Wyrd swā hīo scel! Fate goes ever as it must.

History is what has already past, it does not need justification because it is.



That shows not only that you cannot read or that you did not understand what I said, I said I am fine you it  allow free speech, what I said is wrong is you defend what she said, not that she is allowed to say it and you do this by saying smelly can also say what he likes, which nobody is saying he cannot have free speech, but that he is condemned also.

The Jews have been persecuted by countless different ethnic groups of people, that shows they have been hated by more groups of people than anyone else, showing they have been the most persecuted in history
by far, because as seen how many groups have persecuted them over time?
You are fucking clueless as seen and I cannot be bothered to debate a dummy!
How you defend what she says is disgusting

Only from A Racist European Perspective NOT FROM SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN THE ASIAN REGION and knows Asian History!!! because they ARE NOT
YOU ARE FUCKING CLUELESS RACIST FUCKWIT!!!! CHINA HAS BEEN PERSECUTING PEOPLE FOR THE WHOLE HISTORY. they are up the Chinese year 4712
EUROPE (The Jews Included) DID NOT HAVE FUCKING 2 ROCKS ON TOP EACH OTHER WHEN CHINA WAS ALREADY AN EMPIRE.
1500 years BEFORE THERE ARE EVEN JEWS!!!!


the Ainu of Japan were just as persecuted as a race
In many countries of the world minority ethnic groups have often been pushed out of mainstream society and ignored, or even eradicated. Examples of this are the Australian Aborigines, The Roma populations of Europe and even the gypsy groups of Western Europe, but the Ainu of Japan are less well known.
The Ainu once inhabited all four of the main Japanese Islands, but they were persecuted and pushed northwards over the centuries. Originally they were native to Hokkaido, Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. The actual word ‘Ainu’ means ‘human being’

or go to page 169 ... there are only 7000 Ainu families left after getting as low as 16,000 individuals at the beginning of WW2. Samurai took Persecution to a new level they were more extreme less humane than any European group since Roman records.
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=LU0CWh7VTWsC&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=ainu+persecution&source=bl&ots=j2UY7FarQS&sig=-g-JpJh-3hmjfLsipS_4SxG7Oeg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=My_HU9KaKobh8AX4kYHICg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=ainu%20persecution&f=false


GO STICK YOUR EUROCENTRIC RUBBISH UP YOUR ASS. Europe was NOTHING for the VAST MAJORITY OF HISTORY !!!!
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