EU Demands Extra £500Million From England To Help Ukraine

Didge wrote:Rant, rant rant, no doubt if we reverse the clock and go back to 1939 and Poland needed help, you would be spouting the same crap.




The European Union's Nobel Peace Prize, which it will officially receive today, was a reminder that the EU is much more than just a market or a currency union. It is the foundation of Europe’s security, freedom, and prosperity. But this very foundation is now threatened by short-sightedness and misunderstandings.


http://www.opendemocracy.net/ulrich-speck/why-eu-deserves-nobel-peace-prize

Nems wrote:

Didge wrote:Rant, rant rant, no doubt if we reverse the clock and go back to 1939 and Poland needed help, you would be spouting the same crap.




The European Union's Nobel Peace Prize, which it will officially receive today, was a reminder that the EU is much more than just a market or a currency union. It is the foundation of Europe’s security, freedom, and prosperity. But this very foundation is now threatened by short-sightedness and misunderstandings.


http://www.opendemocracy.net/ulrich-speck/why-eu-deserves-nobel-peace-prize

Bloody hell not the Nazis again   

Didge wrote:

Nems wrote:

Bloody hell not the Nazis again   

Some people are clueless on history I guess, hence why it needs drumming home to they get the reality

Nems wrote:

Didge wrote:


Some people are clueless on history I guess, hence why it needs drumming home to they get the reality

Some people have no concept of other people having a right to an opinion and are rude.

Didge wrote:

Nems wrote:
Some people have no concept of other people having a right to an opinion and are rude.

So you are saying I cannot have an opinion then, but you can, there is logic for you ha ha

Nems wrote:

Didge wrote:

So you are saying I cannot have an opinion then, but you can, there is logic for you ha ha

No I am saying you act like a silly child when someone disagrees with you and you are rude.

Tommy Monk wrote:Ball and chain.....



There will be no reform, no renegotiation, no change.



Vote for lib lab con is a vote for EU dictatorship.




The only way is out.



Restore national sovereignty And democracy to every country.



The will of the people cannot be ignored any more!!!!

Didge wrote:

Nems wrote:

No I am saying you act like a silly child when someone disagrees with you and you are rude.

Blah blah blah, Nems wanting to start another fight and stir, sorry not interested, jog on love and go back to playing with your barbie doll. I will be rude when people are stupid and use stupidity, because you were the one actually being yet again snidely as you always do, as was there any need for your comment? No, so because we have seen years of peace in Europe and thus fail to see the point of the horrors of not one but 2 global conflicts started by Europe, you bemoan this major point, that is stupid

Raggamuffin wrote:Where do they get these figures from? Nobody with any business sense would just pay up without seeing proper justification for the money they're being asked for.

Nems wrote:

Didge wrote:


Blah blah blah, Nems wanting to start another fight and stir, sorry not interested, jog on love and go back to playing with your barbie doll. I will be rude when people are stupid and use stupidity, because you were the one actually being yet again snidely as you always do, as was there any need for your comment? No, so because we have seen years of peace in Europe and thus fail to see the point of the horrors of not one but 2 global conflicts started by Europe, you bemoan this major point, that is stupid

Rude and innapropriate

Raggamuffin wrote:Where do they get these figures from? Nobody with any business sense would just pay up without seeing proper justification for the money they're being asked for.

Nems wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Where do they get these figures from? Nobody with any business sense would just pay up without seeing proper justification for the money they're being asked for.

They have been getting away with running the EU like that for a long time.

Nems wrote:

Didge wrote:


Blah blah blah, Nems wanting to start another fight and stir, sorry not interested, jog on love and go back to playing with your barbie doll. I will be rude when people are stupid and use stupidity, because you were the one actually being yet again snidely as you always do, as was there any need for your comment? No, so because we have seen years of peace in Europe and thus fail to see the point of the horrors of not one but 2 global conflicts started by Europe, you bemoan this major point, that is stupid

Rude and innapropriate

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Nems wrote:

Rude and innapropriate

i agree nems no need for that was there   

Nems wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Where do they get these figures from? Nobody with any business sense would just pay up without seeing proper justification for the money they're being asked for.

They have been getting away with running the EU like that for a long time.

Didge wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

i agree nems no need for that was there   

There was no need for her to start, I agree, she is always doing this of late, its being noted very well as well.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nems wrote:

They have been getting away with running the EU like that for a long time.

That's what I think too. This money which is supposed to help the unemployed of Europe - does anyone work out how much will be allocated to the UK, and do they compare that to the amount the UK puts in? Is there a breakdown of the costs re Ukraine, and an explanation of what the money is for?

I'm not asking you by the way   , they're just questions which should be asked by our Government.

Irn Bru wrote:IT's 500 million over 6 years and here's what the money is to be used for...

What is the new Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived?

The main purpose of the Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived (FEAD), which will be worth €3.8 billion in the 2014 to 2020 period, is to support Member States' social emergency relief schemes. The FEAD will support Member States' actions to provide a broad range of non-financial material assistance including food, clothing and other essential goods for personal use such as shoes, soap and shampoo, to materially-deprived people, including the homeless, and their children.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-131_en.htm

And the UK is also entitled to draw from this fund, indeed we could have when the EU put up money to the UK to assist with providing food to the most deprived in the UK but Cameron turned it down tellling them we don't need it and we'll deal with the problem ourselves. Same with the flooding crisis. The didn't bother to apply for help with that either even though we were eligible to.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/dec/17/government-under-fire-eu-funding-food-banks

And just to add the vote on this fund took place in February this year, not just now when the elections took place. And Nigel Farage didn't even bother to turn up to speak in the debate or even vote on it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:IT's 500 million over 6 years and here's what the money is to be used for...

What is the new Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived?

The main purpose of the Fund for European Aid to the Most Deprived (FEAD), which will be worth €3.8 billion in the 2014 to 2020 period, is to support Member States' social emergency relief schemes. The FEAD will support Member States' actions to provide a broad range of non-financial material assistance including food, clothing and other essential goods for personal use such as shoes, soap and shampoo, to materially-deprived people, including the homeless, and their children.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-131_en.htm

And the UK is also entitled to draw from this fund, indeed we could have when the EU put up money to the UK to assist with providing food to the most deprived in the UK but Cameron turned it down tellling them we don't need it and we'll deal with the problem ourselves. Same with the flooding crisis. The didn't bother to apply for help with that either even though we were eligible to.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/dec/17/government-under-fire-eu-funding-food-banks

And just to add the vote on this fund took place in February this year, not just now when the elections took place. And Nigel Farage didn't even bother to turn up to speak in the debate or even vote on it.

Well if we don't need to draw on the fund, why are we paying into it? Cameron needs to explain that to the tax payers.

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well if we don't need to draw on the fund, why are we paying into it? Cameron needs to explain that to the tax payers.

He said for the flooding crisis that money was no object. The decision to take aid for food from the EU was just too much for Cameron and the decision was nothing more than politically motivated to pacify the Eurosceptics in his party.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well if we don't need to draw on the fund, why are we paying into it? Cameron needs to explain that to the tax payers.

He said for the flooding crisis that money was no object. The decision to take aid for food from the EU was just too much for Cameron and the decision was nothing more than politically motivated to pacify the Eurosceptics in his party.

The tax payers aren't that interested in the internal politics, they're interested in where their money goes. This is why the whole Europe thing is of interest to them. Why should people keep on and on paying into an organisation that they don't appear to be benefiting from?

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The tax payers aren't that interested in the internal politics, they're interested in where their money goes. This is why the whole Europe thing is of interest to them. Why should people keep on and on paying into an organisation that they don't appear to be benefiting from?

You would be better asking Cameron why we don't take from a fund that we pay into when it's available to us.
Heaven forbid that we should ever suffer a natural disaster in this country and need to call on international help to deal with it.

gerber wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The tax payers aren't that interested in the internal politics, they're interested in where their money goes. This is why the whole Europe thing is of interest to them. Why should people keep on and on paying into an organisation that they don't appear to be benefiting from?

You would be better asking Cameron why we don't take from a fund that we pay into when it's available to us.
Heaven forbid that we should ever suffer a natural disaster in this country and need to call on international help to deal with it.

Morning Irn.

Excellent question that needs to be put to DC.  I am sure all affected by the floods would like to know especially the farmers who have been left without a livelihood.  

Irn Bru wrote:

gerber wrote:

Morning Irn.

Excellent question that needs to be put to DC.  I am sure all affected by the floods would like to know especially the farmers who have been left without a livelihood.  

Good morning Gerber, and how are you today?

You're right and the farmers have every right to ask for answers.

We drew from the before to help with the flooding in 2007 when we took £134 million out of the scheme.

http://eastlibdems.org.uk/en/article/2014/765921/conservatives-refuse-eu-funding-for-flood-affected-communities-county-councils-should-apply

There's really no shame in taking the money because that's what it's there for.

Catch you later as I've got to go for now.

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

The tax payers aren't that interested in the internal politics, they're interested in where their money goes. This is why the whole Europe thing is of interest to them. Why should people keep on and on paying into an organisation that they don't appear to be benefiting from?

You would be better asking Cameron why we don't take from a fund that we pay into when it's available to us.
Heaven forbid that we should ever suffer a natural disaster in this country and need to call on international help to deal with it.

BigAndy9 wrote:Hi everybody, it's BigAndy9 again    

Is the Ukraine in the organisation called the EU?

They are doing very nicely out of it aren't they?!

If they are not in the organisation called the EU - isn't it strange how outside countries can do such wonderful business/get charity/be supported by it?!

Irn Bru wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Hi everybody, it's BigAndy9 again    

Is the Ukraine in the organisation called the EU?

They are doing very nicely out of it aren't they?!

If they are not in the organisation called the EU - isn't it strange how outside countries can do such wonderful business/get charity/be supported by it?!

HI Andy, Irn here.

The 200 million for Ukraine has nothing to do with the budget that the Mail is rattling on about. It's completely seperate and that money is being provided in the form of grants and loans with most of it being provided by the IMF and the world bank.
David Cameron is fully supportive of this action and indeed he is claiming he is the instigator. You can read what he said in his statement to the House of Commons

The EU agreed unilaterally to lower trade tariffs, and to work with the International Monetary Fund on a package of financial assistance to the Ukrainian Government.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/emergency-european-council-on-ukraine-david-camerons-statement

George Osborne also stands ready with our cheque book if needed.

Ukraine revolution: Britain offers cash to Kiev as the world waits on Putin


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10657082/Ukraine-revolution-Britain-offers-cash-to-Kiev-as-the-world-waits-on-Putin.html

Can't really pin the Ukraine money on solely just the EU can we?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Hi everybody, it's BigAndy9 again    

Is the Ukraine in the organisation called the EU?

They are doing very nicely out of it aren't they?!

If they are not in the organisation called the EU - isn't it strange how outside countries can do such wonderful business/get charity/be supported by it?!

HI Andy, Irn here.

The 200 million for Ukraine has nothing to do with the budget that the Mail is rattling on about. It's completely seperate and that money is being provided in the form of grants and loans with most of it being provided by the IMF and the world bank.
David Cameron is fully supportive of this action and indeed he is claiming he is the instigator. You can read what he said in his statement to the House of Commons

The EU agreed unilaterally to lower trade tariffs, and to work with the International Monetary Fund on a package of financial assistance to the Ukrainian Government.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/emergency-european-council-on-ukraine-david-camerons-statement

George Osborne also stands ready with our cheque book if needed.

Ukraine revolution: Britain offers cash to Kiev as the world waits on Putin


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10657082/Ukraine-revolution-Britain-offers-cash-to-Kiev-as-the-world-waits-on-Putin.html

Can't really pin the Ukraine money on solely just the EU can we?

Yes.

Didge wrote:

Nems wrote:

Bloody hell not the Nazis again   

The Ukraine was only part of this extra spending Didge. Your EU leaders which you regularly kiss the arses off haven't a clue and neither have you.


Some people are clueless on history I guess, hence why it needs drumming home to they get the reality

Alright said Fred wrote:

Didge wrote:




Some people are clueless on history I guess, hence why it needs drumming home to they get the reality

The Ukraine was only part of this extra spending Didge. Your EU leaders which you regularly kiss the arses off haven't a clue and neither have you.