Death of a fighter for his people - Bob Crow

RMT union general secretary Bob Crow dies

General secretary of the Rail Maritime and Transport union Bob Crow has died aged 52

In a statement on its website, the union said he died in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "Whatever our political differences, and there were many, this is tragic news."

Mr Crow was elected general secretary of the RMT in 2002 following the death of former leader Jimmy Knapp.

The BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said Mr Crow "was, some argue, the most successful union leader in terms of securing jobs and pay for his members".

Only a day before his death, he told BBC Radio 4's PM programme that MPs deserved a pay rise.

Mr Johnson, who was regularly at loggerheads with Mr Crow over plans to change London's transport system, said in a statement: "Bob fought tirelessly for his beliefs and for his members.

"There can be absolutely no doubt that he played a big part in the success of the Tube, and he shared my goal to make transport in London an even greater success.

"It's a sad day."

Former London mayor Ken Livingstone told Sky News: "Young people will learn lessons from him and realise he stood up for his members."

He added: "He was great company."

Born in 1961 in east London, Mr Crow got his first job on the underground at the age of 16, fixing rails and cutting down trees on the track.

Last month, he joined his members on the picket line during a Tube strike.

Manuel Cortes, leader of the TSSA rail union, which also took part in the strike, said: "Bob Crow was admired by his members and feared by employers, which is exactly how he liked it.

"It was a privilege to campaign and fight alongside him because he never gave an inch."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26527325

RIP He fought for what he believed in, and no-one can do more than that.

Not a nice man.

Terrible to die so young.

"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."



  

Still being a prat Andy. Shame you can't take a pill for it   

Sassy wrote:RMT union general secretary Bob Crow dies

General secretary of the Rail Maritime and Transport union Bob Crow has died aged 52

In a statement on its website, the union said he died in the early hours of Tuesday morning.

London Mayor Boris Johnson said: "Whatever our political differences, and there were many, this is tragic news."

Mr Crow was elected general secretary of the RMT in 2002 following the death of former leader Jimmy Knapp.

The BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said Mr Crow "was, some argue, the most successful union leader in terms of securing jobs and pay for his members".

Only a day before his death, he told BBC Radio 4's PM programme that MPs deserved a pay rise.

Mr Johnson, who was regularly at loggerheads with Mr Crow over plans to change London's transport system, said in a statement: "Bob fought tirelessly for his beliefs and for his members.

"There can be absolutely no doubt that he played a big part in the success of the Tube, and he shared my goal to make transport in London an even greater success.

"It's a sad day."

Former London mayor Ken Livingstone told Sky News: "Young people will learn lessons from him and realise he stood up for his members."

He added: "He was great company."

Born in 1961 in east London, Mr Crow got his first job on the underground at the age of 16, fixing rails and cutting down trees on the track.

Last month, he joined his members on the picket line during a Tube strike.

Manuel Cortes, leader of the TSSA rail union, which also took part in the strike, said: "Bob Crow was admired by his members and feared by employers, which is exactly how he liked it.

"It was a privilege to campaign and fight alongside him because he never gave an inch."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26527325

RIP He fought for what he believed in, and no-one can do more than that.

Sad News indeed, he fought for British workers, he doubled the membership of his union, he lived and worked amongst his people.

RIP Bob.

There is so much truth in this saying...the good die young.

Doing so much for others too, RIP Bob.

A voice for the poorer working class has now gone silent.

Sassy wrote:Still being a prat Andy.   Shame you can't take a pill for it   

His words Sassy, not mine.

Sassy wrote:Still being a prat Andy.   Shame you can't take a pill for it   

Andy has been pre programmed to spend his life cowering and snivelling to his so called betters, Andy hates the British worker, hates the idea of someone fighting for the rights of working British people, Andy would subject the British people to a lifetime of slavery under the jackboot of fascist ideology.

£145,000 per year, living in a council house.

If that were me I'd have moved out for ethical reasons. Some poor family living in an overcrowded flat could have it - it would change their lives.

Nice motor!

"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."

Given that Tube drivers get a £46,000 starting salary, 43 days of holiday and a bonus of £350 for working on Boxing Day, few are likely to begrudge him his handsome salary. It’s the rest of us, including low-paid workers who are already struggling to pay the huge costs of public transport in London (if you pay cash it costs £4.70 to go one stop compared with £1.40 in Paris), who will suffer.

Though Crow calls himself a socialist he openly admits his only real concern is his own members. Small wonder that former London mayor Ken Livingstone, in theory a natural political ally, has accused him of running a protection racket rather than a trade union.

BigAndy9 wrote:Given that Tube drivers get a £46,000 starting salary, 43 days of holiday and a bonus of £350 for working on Boxing Day, few are likely to begrudge him his handsome salary. It’s the rest of us, including low-paid workers who are already struggling to pay the huge costs of public transport in London (if you pay cash it costs £4.70 to go one stop compared with £1.40 in Paris), who will suffer.

Though Crow calls himself a socialist he openly admits his only real concern is his own members. Small wonder that former London mayor Ken Livingstone, in theory a natural political ally, has accused him of running a protection racket rather than a trade union.

So he did an excellent job securing better pay and better conditions for his members, which is in stark contrast to the billions paid out in bankers bonuses for failure.

Problem for you Andy chap is despite your worship of nazi ideology, all that begging, grovelling and snivelling to your so called betters has got you nothing.

To me it sounds like you're jealous of Bob Crow, the fact that he was born in a council house and died in a council house, and the fact that he spent his life fighting tooth and nail for the British worker.

Go hang your head in shame.

scrat wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Given that Tube drivers get a £46,000 starting salary, 43 days of holiday and a bonus of £350 for working on Boxing Day, few are likely to begrudge him his handsome salary. It’s the rest of us, including low-paid workers who are already struggling to pay the huge costs of public transport in London (if you pay cash it costs £4.70 to go one stop compared with £1.40 in Paris), who will suffer.

Though Crow calls himself a socialist he openly admits his only real concern is his own members. Small wonder that former London mayor Ken Livingstone, in theory a natural political ally, has accused him of running a protection racket rather than a trade union.

So he did an excellent job securing better pay and better conditions for his members, which is in stark contrast to the billions paid out in bankers bonuses for failure.

Problem for you Andy chap is despite your worship of nazi ideology, all that begging, grovelling and snivelling to your so called betters has got you nothing.

To me it sounds like you're jealous of Bob Crow, the fact that he was born in a council house and died in a council house, and the fact that he spent his life fighting tooth and nail for the British worker.

Go hang your head in shame.

He didn't spend his life fighting for the British worker. He spent his life leeching off them.

BigAndy9 wrote:

scrat wrote:
So he did an excellent job securing better pay and better conditions for his members, which is in stark contrast to the billions paid out in bankers bonuses for failure.

Problem for you Andy chap is despite your worship of nazi ideology, all that begging, grovelling and snivelling to your so called betters has got you nothing.

To me it sounds like you're jealous of Bob Crow, the fact that he was born in a council house and died in a council house, and the fact that he spent his life fighting tooth and nail for the British worker.

Go hang your head in shame.

He didn't spend his life fighting for the British worker.  He spent his life leeching off them.

Andy chap, you spend your life promoting the ideals of Adolf Hitler, you post nothing but fascist, racist, homophobic and anti British bile because you're a traitor and a lowly shitbag coward who's been brainwashed into a life of servitude to your so called betters.

Now fuck off back to noddy land, your treachery makes me want to puke.

scrat wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Given that Tube drivers get a £46,000 starting salary, 43 days of holiday and a bonus of £350 for working on Boxing Day, few are likely to begrudge him his handsome salary. It’s the rest of us, including low-paid workers who are already struggling to pay the huge costs of public transport in London (if you pay cash it costs £4.70 to go one stop compared with £1.40 in Paris), who will suffer.

Though Crow calls himself a socialist he openly admits his only real concern is his own members. Small wonder that former London mayor Ken Livingstone, in theory a natural political ally, has accused him of running a protection racket rather than a trade union.

So he did an excellent job securing better pay and better conditions for his members, which is in stark contrast to the billions paid out in bankers bonuses for failure.

Problem for you Andy chap is despite your worship of nazi ideology, all that begging, grovelling and snivelling to your so called betters has got you nothing.

To me it sounds like you're jealous of Bob Crow, the fact that he was born in a council house and died in a council house, and the fact that he spent his life fighting tooth and nail for the British worker.

Go hang your head in shame.

I won't talk ill of the dead, but you make him sound like one of the Tolpuddle Martyrs scrat. Fact is, despite depriving a needy family of social housing by living in one himself, he lived a pretty high lifestyle; many exotic holidays, expensive restaurants etc. So all I can say is - Karma.

"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."

Tess. wrote:

scrat wrote:
So he did an excellent job securing better pay and better conditions for his members, which is in stark contrast to the billions paid out in bankers bonuses for failure.

Problem for you Andy chap is despite your worship of nazi ideology, all that begging, grovelling and snivelling to your so called betters has got you nothing.

To me it sounds like you're jealous of Bob Crow, the fact that he was born in a council house and died in a council house, and the fact that he spent his life fighting tooth and nail for the British worker.

Go hang your head in shame.

I won't talk ill of the dead, but you make him sound like one of the Tolpuddle Martyrs scrat.  Fact is, despite depriving a needy family of social housing by living in one himself, he lived a pretty high lifestyle; many exotic holidays, expensive restaurants etc.  So all I can say is - Karma.

Hi Tess,

The dailyfuckwit was always trying goad Bob, when they asked him about his holiday in Brazil he said, what do you want me to do hide under a rock reading Marx, he deserved every penny he got, it's sad that such a brilliant fighter for the working class died so young, but hey that's life,,,,,,,,and death.

BigAndy9 wrote:"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."

..you would be the first to greet if we quoted such awful thing of Thatcher, despite her propping guy the rich and privileged,but some of us said no such things Andy.


She also hated the poor with a fury, but still some of us said no malice, while we knew she was a terrible PM and a snob, we did not wish her to rot in hell...you would be as well saying that in your own name Andy.

Andy I'm sorry for saying it, but you e always come across as a wee mummy's boy and like Thatcher you defend the rich and despise the poorer working classes.

Joy Division wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."

..you would be the first to greet if we quoted such awful thing of Thatcher, despite her propping guy the rich and privileged,but some of us said no such things Andy.
 

She also hated the poor with a fury, but still some of us said no malice, while we knew she was a terrible PM and a snob, we did not wish her to rot in hell...you would be as well saying that in your own name Andy.

Andy I'm sorry for saying it, but you e always come across as a wee mummy's boy and like Thatcher you defend the rich and despise the poorer  working classes.

You do realise who said those things, donchya JD?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


..you would be the first to greet if we quoted such awful thing of Thatcher, despite her propping guy the rich and privileged,but some of us said no such things Andy.
 

She also hated the poor with a fury, but still some of us said no malice, while we knew she was a terrible PM and a snob, we did not wish her to rot in hell...you would be as well saying that in your own name Andy.

Andy I'm sorry for saying it, but you e always come across as a wee mummy's boy and like Thatcher you defend the rich and despise the poorer  working classes.

You do realise who said those things, donchya JD?

Someone RW obviously Andy...Thatcher?

scrat wrote:

Tess. wrote:
I won't talk ill of the dead, but you make him sound like one of the Tolpuddle Martyrs scrat.  Fact is, despite depriving a needy family of social housing by living in one himself, he lived a pretty high lifestyle; many exotic holidays, expensive restaurants etc.  So all I can say is - Karma.

Hi Tess,

The dailyfuckwit was always trying goad Bob, when they asked him about his holiday in Brazil he said, what do you want me to do hide under a rock reading Marx, he deserved every penny he got, it's sad that such a brilliant fighter for the working class died so young, but hey that's life,,,,,,,,and death.

Well I'll give him one brownie point - he was anti-EU. And agreed it is sad that someone dies at 52, whatever their political views. But at least it was a quick death not some horrible lingering illness.

Andy..up here in my neck of the woods, the RW are known as sissy's and pansies ...the type who need their mum to hold their hand if they was to get into a bit of trouble...

Mammies wee sissy's , ken?!!

As well as cocks.

"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."

BigAndy9 wrote:"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."

Looks like the needles stuck with this particular nazi loon.

Perhaps "she" replaces "he"!

The dinosaurs dies out early and he was a super typical union dinosaur. That you revere him speaks volumes he was wedded to restrictive practices and old fashioned bang the table politics.

Of course he professed to be of the people but preferred to deny someone a social home when he could afford one of his own.

Typical two faced lefty much beloved by two faced lefties.

He got his members the best deal possible, what he was paid to do, which was why the RW, who would rather people were fed scraps from their table, hated him.   Well done Bob.

Wankers in banks make money from fucking up and losing the nation money, he was actually someone who did more than what was required of him.

Sassy wrote:He got his members the best deal possible, what he was paid to do, which was why the RW, who would rather people were fed scraps from their table, hated him.   Well done Bob.

Wankers in banks make money from fucking up and losing the nation money, he was actually someone who did more than what was required of him.

It was his ilk that brought the country to it knees in the 60s and 70s rubbish piled high in the streets. That presumably is your ideas of success. Everybody disrupted whilst those in certain jobs do well.

Whilst I have no love of bankers for years they at least paid billions in taxes al that the Crows of this world do is hold the world to ransom.

How can you defend a man who kept a council house denying someone much poorer than him a chance. As the Queen of duplicity I can understand why Crow is such a hero to you.

^tess, you make it sound like living a lavish lifestyle is a crime- apparently the thing we Lefties are suppose to do all the time (we don't, but that doesn't stop a certain multi ID RW cretin slobbering otherwise...).

Karma? A little harsh, he was one of the big voices of working people in this country and unlike the ravenous RW media vultures, he didn't kow tow to big business and their whipping dogs that are the Tory party.

RIP Bob, terribly young age to die.

"I wont shed one single tear over his death,"


"He destroyed the Unions and destroyed industry in this country and as far as I'm concerned he can rot in hell."


Now that's karma, Eli!

So he said some bad things over Thatcher; she earned far more criticism than Crow ever did. I don't believe in karma however Andy- did he deserve to die though? I rather think not.

Eilzel wrote:So he said some bad things over Thatcher; she earned far more criticism than Crow ever did. I don't believe in karma however Andy- did he deserve to die though? I rather think not.

Absolutely not.

And nobody (I don't think) has said that.

He shouldn't have said such nasty things about somebody who has just died though, should he?

Reading through lots of comments on other websites - people saying bad things about him then seeing all the others saying "how could you say those things about a dead man - he has a family".

Quite frankly, it makes me sick.

I won't say anything bad, i'll just repeat his own words.

recanter wrote:

Sassy wrote:He got his members the best deal possible, what he was paid to do, which was why the RW, who would rather people were fed scraps from their table, hated him.   Well done Bob.

Wankers in banks make money from fucking up and losing the nation money, he was actually someone who did more than what was required of him.

It was his ilk that brought the country to it knees in the 60s and 70s rubbish piled high in the streets. That presumably is your ideas of success. Everybody disrupted whilst those in certain jobs do well.

Whilst I have no love of bankers for years they at least paid billions in taxes al that the Crows of this world do is hold the world to ransom.

How can you defend a man who kept a council house denying someone much poorer than him a chance. As the Queen of duplicity I can understand why Crow is such a hero to you.

Er what drugs is this recunter type thing on, Bob was 8 years old in 1969!

And then to go on in the very next paragraph about how wonderful bankers are puts this cretins snivelling servitude into perspective.

Bankers have cost this country trillions in debt, debt our great children will still be paying off and for what?,,,,,nothing but greed.

Bob Crow was born in a council house, he lived his life amongst his family, the people he loved and represented, and died in a council house.

He doubled the membership of his union and fought for better pay and conditions for his members, one can see why the RWhinge hated him.

scrat wrote:

recanter wrote:

It was his ilk that brought the country to it knees in the 60s and 70s rubbish piled high in the streets. That presumably is your ideas of success. Everybody disrupted whilst those in certain jobs do well.

Whilst I have no love of bankers for years they at least paid billions in taxes al that the Crows of this world do is hold the world to ransom.

How can you defend a man who kept a council house denying someone much poorer than him a chance. As the Queen of duplicity I can understand why Crow is such a hero to you.

Er what drugs is this recunter type thing on, Bob was 8 years old in 1969!

And then to go on in the very next paragraph about how wonderful bankers are puts this cretins snivelling servitude into perspective.

Bankers have cost this country trillions in debt, debt our great children will still be paying off and for what?,,,,,nothing but greed.

Bob Crow was born in a council house, he lived his life amongst his family, the people he loved and represented, and died in a council house.

He doubled the membership of his union and fought for better pay and conditions for his members, one can see why the RWhinge hated him.

Bingo Scrat, he was as ordinary as they come, just like Dennis Skinner is, and some people choose to ignore that it was the bankers who helped shaft this country.

Little sissy jumped up bastards.

Honestly, does anyone give a flying f..k about the rants of recanter etc?   They are like wind up toys, without substance and full of hate.  Probably yet another name for Drinky anyway. Perfectly happy to have b(w)ankers paid a fortune for failure and plunging us into misery, but hate the idea of ordinary people happy to pay a man to do a good job for them.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So he said some bad things over Thatcher; she earned far more criticism than Crow ever did. I don't believe in karma however Andy- did he deserve to die though? I rather think not.

Absolutely not.

And nobody (I don't think) has said that.

He shouldn't have said such nasty things about somebody who has just died though, should he?

Reading through lots of comments on other websites - people saying bad things about him then seeing all the others saying "how could you say those things about a dead man - he has a family".

Quite frankly, it makes me sick.

I won't say anything bad, i'll just repeat his own words.

I fully agree Andy.

Maybe though like Maggie who supposedly divided the nation according to some, Mr Crow might be considered to have done the same. And those posting nasty and unpleasant things are just getting their own back. I hope they are removed from the media and if necessary investigated by the police.

As any family person he has left behind a family, and they and their feelings must be considered.

He was a highly recognizable figure

gerber wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Absolutely not.

And nobody (I don't think) has said that.

He shouldn't have said such nasty things about somebody who has just died though, should he?

Reading through lots of comments on other websites - people saying bad things about him then seeing all the others saying "how could you say those things about a dead man - he has a family".

Quite frankly, it makes me sick.

I won't say anything bad, i'll just repeat his own words.

I fully agree Andy.  

Maybe though like Maggie who supposedly divided the nation according to some, Mr Crow might be considered to have done the same.  And those posting nasty and unpleasant things are just getting their own back.  I hope they are removed from the media and if necessary investigated by the police.

As any family person he has left behind a family, and they and their feelings must be considered.

He was a highly recognizable figure

However, for most of the nation Maggie did a crap job, for those he worked for, Bob Crow did an excellent one.

Sassy wrote:

gerber wrote:

I fully agree Andy.  

Maybe though like Maggie who supposedly divided the nation according to some, Mr Crow might be considered to have done the same.  And those posting nasty and unpleasant things are just getting their own back.  I hope they are removed from the media and if necessary investigated by the police.

As any family person he has left behind a family, and they and their feelings must be considered.

He was a highly recognizable figure

However, for most of the nation Maggie did a crap job, for those he worked for, Bob Crow did an excellent one.

He did Sassy as i will contest that so did Maggie....... There will always be a huge divide on the two so far from each other in the political spectrum.

gerber wrote:

Sassy wrote:

However, for most of the nation Maggie did a crap job, for those he worked for, Bob Crow did an excellent one.

He did Sassy as i will contest that so did Maggie.......  There will always be a huge divide on the two so far from each other in the political spectrum.

We'll have to disagree on that Gerbs, because Crow did a good job for ALL his people, Thatcher not only didn't do a good job for a very large proportion of the electorate, she made their lives a misery.

Sassy wrote:Honestly, does anyone give a flying f..k about the rants of recanter etc?   They are like wind up toys, without substance and full of hate.  Probably yet another name for Drinky anyway.  Perfectly happy to have b(w)ankers paid a fortune for failure and plunging us into misery, but hate the idea of ordinary people happy to pay a man to do a good job for them.

Really any view other than yours doesn't count?

If a banker kept hold of a council house on £150k would you be so sanguine. Any view that deviates one iota from yours is described as hateful my God you spit hate with every breath!

Crow was a dinosaur old left wing hold the country to ransom leader.

Bob Crow was only doing his job in getting the best deal for his workers as well as trying to make sure that the transport systems that millions have to use every day are safe and secure.
He fought for a share of the huge pot of money that the execs at TFL had earmarked for themselves as a bonus for delivering a successful Olympic Games. Whilst they would be in their offices counting the dosh the real people who would be delivering a successful transport system during the games were the men and woman on the front line who would have to deal with the travelling public in making sure they got back and forward safely every single day. I think they did a great job and the bonus that Bob got for them was well deserved.

RIP Bob Crow.

Irn Bru wrote:Bob Crow was only doing his job in getting the best deal for his workers as well as trying to make sure that the transport systems that millions have to use every day are safe and secure.
He fought for a share of the huge pot of money that the execs at TFL had earmarked for themselves as a bonus for delivering a successful Olympic Games. Whilst they would be in their offices counting the dosh the real people who would be delivering a successful transport system during the games were the men and woman on the front line who would have to deal with the travelling public in making sure they got back and forward safely every single day. I think they did a great job and the bonus that Bob got for them was well deserved.

RIP Bob Crow.

Boris Johnson paid tribute to him today, seemed to be quite sincere in his nice remarks about their dealings with one another.

Sassy wrote:

gerber wrote:

He did Sassy as i will contest that so did Maggie.......  There will always be a huge divide on the two so far from each other in the political spectrum.

We'll have to disagree on that Gerbs, because Crow did a good job for ALL his people, Thatcher not only didn't do a good job for a very large proportion of the electorate, she made their lives a misery.

No she stopped the misery for millions of ordinary hard working aspirational people. She despised the Jeremy Kylers like yourself.

Catman wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Bob Crow was only doing his job in getting the best deal for his workers as well as trying to make sure that the transport systems that millions have to use every day are safe and secure.
He fought for a share of the huge pot of money that the execs at TFL had earmarked for themselves as a bonus for delivering a successful Olympic Games. Whilst they would be in their offices counting the dosh the real people who would be delivering a successful transport system during the games were the men and woman on the front line who would have to deal with the travelling public in making sure they got back and forward safely every single day. I think they did a great job and the bonus that Bob got for them was well deserved.

RIP Bob Crow.

Boris Johnson paid tribute to him today, seemed to be quite sincere in his nice remarks about their dealings with one another.

Boris is a Politician.

kevins58 wrote:

Sassy wrote:

We'll have to disagree on that Gerbs, because Crow did a good job for ALL his people, Thatcher not only didn't do a good job for a very large proportion of the electorate, she made their lives a misery.

No she stopped the misery for millions of ordinary hard working aspirational people. She despised the Jeremy Kylers like yourself.

You just let yourself down over and over and over again. You are such a sad bastard Drinky.

Sassy wrote:

gerber wrote:

He did Sassy as i will contest that so did Maggie.......  There will always be a huge divide on the two so far from each other in the political spectrum.

We'll have to disagree on that Gerbs, because Crow did a good job for ALL his people, Thatcher not only didn't do a good job for a very large proportion of the electorate, she made their lives a misery.

Sassy

And BC hasn't made the people who work in London lives a misery................... Missing pay days, business being lost estimate the last one £50 million................... Workers on a day rate who cannot get there have no money, I would not like to to the sums on how much the strikes over the years have cost the London economy...... OK you shout it is only London........ And yes it is but it is also the payer of the rest of the Uk...... Average say a minimum of £ 30 million per strike.......

How much is needed to keep the benefits system afloat, the NHS afloat the education of our children.......

Sassy I was being generous in assuaging BC demise and not making it a political point scoring exercise.... Something I do not think it is the correct thing to be done just now.....

kevins58 wrote:

Sassy wrote:

gerber wrote:

He did Sassy as i will contest that so did Maggie.......  There will always be a huge divide on the two so far from each other in the political spectrum.

We'll have to disagree on that Gerbs, because Crow did a good job for ALL his people, Thatcher not only didn't do a good job for a very large proportion of the electorate, she made their lives a misery.

No she stopped the misery for millions of ordinary hard working aspirational people. She despised the Jeremy Kylers like yourself.

Christ, even her own party realised the damage she was doing and got shot of her before she made it any worse.

She took us into the EU and she is generally regarded as the mother of man made climate change which is something the Tory activists are absolutely furious about.

Give up.

I'll reiterate Irn's post Gerbs, because it summed up the situation exactly:

Irn Bru wrote:Bob Crow was only doing his job in getting the best deal for his workers as well as trying to make sure that the transport systems that millions have to use every day are safe and secure.
He fought for a share of the huge pot of money that the execs at TFL had earmarked for themselves as a bonus for delivering a successful Olympic Games. Whilst they would be in their offices counting the dosh the real people who would be delivering a successful transport system during the games were the men and woman on the front line who would have to deal with the travelling public in making sure they got back and forward safely every single day. I think they did a great job and the bonus that Bob got for them was well deserved.

Sassy wrote:I'll reiterate Irn's post Gerbs, because it summed up the situation exactly:

Irn Bru wrote:Bob Crow was only doing his job in getting the best deal for his workers as well as trying to make sure that the transport systems that millions have to use every day are safe and secure.
He fought for a share of the huge pot of money that the execs at TFL had earmarked for themselves as a bonus for delivering a successful Olympic Games. Whilst they would be in their offices counting the dosh the real people who would be delivering a successful transport system during the games were the men and woman on the front line who would have to deal with the travelling public in making sure they got back and forward safely every single day. I think they did a great job and the bonus that Bob got for them was well deserved.

have I said anything else to the contrary......

Come on..... we are poles apart on politics but the dead deserve to lie in peace........

Sassy wrote:

kevins58 wrote:

No she stopped the misery for millions of ordinary hard working aspirational people. She despised the Jeremy Kylers like yourself.

You just let yourself down over and over and over again.   You are such a sad bastard Drinky.

This from a woman who has stabbed friends in the back?

Sassy you are the least qualified person to lecture anyone. Even lefties get it in the back from you when it suits. Drinky is just another alog the way. You tried to have him banned from a number of sites. You have done the same for Didge and may others.

Back on topic Thatcher stopped the decline with unions running the country into the ground. Are you denying the rubbish was piled in the streets as Labour was brought to its knees by the unions?

You are delusional as well as duplicitous and replete with arse.