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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:10 pm



The Nationality and Borders Act will deter illegal entry into the UK, breaking the business model of people-smuggling networks, and speed up the removal of those with no right to be in the UK.

This will in turn free up the asylum system so we can better support those in genuine need of asylum through safe and legal routes.

In addition, the act puts into law that those who arrive illegally in the UK – who could have claimed asylum in another safe country – can be considered as ‘inadmissible’ to the UK asylum system.

Home Secretary Priti Patel said:

This is a huge milestone in our commitment to our promise to the British public - a fair but firm immigration system.

While there is no single solution to the global migration crisis, these new laws are the first step in overhauling our decades-old, broken asylum system.

We will now work tirelessly to deliver these reforms to ensure we have an immigration system that protects those in genuine need while cracking down on abuse of the system and evil people-smuggling gangs.

These key reforms will be operating alongside a raft of other new measures, including:

tougher penalties for people smugglers with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment
increasing the maximum penalty for illegally entering the UK or overstaying a visa to 4 years’ imprisonment
new measures to end the merry-go-round of legal challenges which can be used to frustrate removal of those with no right to be in the UK
cracking down on adults pretending to be children by introducing scientific methods for age assessment
a new US-style Electronic Travel Authorisation scheme to slam the door on criminals before they even get here


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/borders-act-to-overhaul-asylum-system-becomes-law



About bloody time!!!




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Post by Original Quill Sat Jun 11, 2022 3:58 pm

Haha...wait until Russia invades the UK. It's coming...and then you'll be begging us for asylum.

But, by then Trump will be back in power and he will side with Russia. With the gun-runners in control in Congress we'll be passing our own F/U Act.

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:27 pm




Fleeing some sort of war or persecution is an excuse to get into a nearby safe country... It is not an excuse to roam the world travelling through as many safe countries as you like until you manage to illegally enter a country of your preference...


Nearly all of those arriving here in UK are not fleeing anything, have travelled through a variety of safe countries and are nothing more than illegal immigrants for their own selfish economic enrichment at UK taxpayers expense!



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Post by Original Quill Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Fleeing some sort of war or persecution is an excuse to get into a nearby safe country... It is not an excuse to roam the world travelling through as many safe countries as you like until you manage to illegally enter a country of your preference...

My point exactly.

Tommy Monk wrote:Nearly all of those arriving here in UK are not fleeing anything, have travelled through a variety of safe countries and are nothing more than illegal immigrants for their own selfish economic enrichment at UK taxpayers expense!

Bullshit generalization. Each are entitled to individual evaluation. Most are fleeing the kinds of experience that Ukraine is experiencing today.

When Russia gets to your borders, you (from the UK) will be labelled trashy immigrants by the RW among Americans. It's all: I got mine; you can't have yours! Leo Marx, The Machine in the Garden (1964).

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:19 pm




No they are not... And even if they were, they should go to a nearby safe country...



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Post by Original Quill Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:25 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:And even if they were, they should go to a nearby safe country...

Why?

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:28 pm




Because they say they are looking for a safe place of refuge... And the nearest safe country is a safe place of refuge...



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Post by Original Quill Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:18 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Because they say they are looking for a safe place of refuge... And the nearest safe country is a safe place of refuge...

So what?  I would recommend: look for the nation with the most welcoming, and protective cover...and has some stability.

Take Ukraine...their immediate neighbor to the north, Belarus, is Putin's puppet.  Bad choice, eh?  Even some NATO nations are friendly to Putin - Hungary and Turkey, for example.  Plus, if they don't align with Russia, but are unstable, you could be in the same boat in 5-6 months.

With the UK, as with the US, they know they are safe.  That's why they are coming there.

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:30 am




Go to nearest safe country and stay there and make a life for yourself... With the option of returning home in the future if possible... Not an excuse to roam round numerous safe countries without claiming need for refugee assistance, and then keep on going until you manage to blag your way in to a country that you might be financially better off in... They are supposed to be desperate and seeking asylum and safe refuge... Not selfish economic reasons...


If you are under threat and forced to run with no food and/or shelter etc... And then you make it to the neighboring country and the give you food and shelter and a place of safety... THEN STAY THE FUCK THERE AND THINK YOURSELF FICKING LUCKY AND BE FUCKING GRATEFUL!!!


DONT TRY TO MAKE IT ABOUT HAVING SOME EXCUSE TO ENTER UK ILLEGALLY!!!


Although nearly all of these arriving here are full of shit with no legitimate reason... Just a load of made up bullshit sob stories!!!


And it's high time the govt got a grip on this farce and also reduce the overall level of legal immigration too... Down from hundreds of thousands a year to tens of thousands... As they have been voted in to do!!!



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Post by Original Quill Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Go to nearest safe country and stay there and make a life for yourself... With the option of returning home in the future if possible... Not an excuse to roam round numerous safe countries without claiming need for refugee assistance, and then keep on going until you manage to blag your way in to a country that you might be financially better off in... They are supposed to be desperate and seeking asylum and safe refuge... Not selfish economic reasons...

Who wrote these rules.  You?  

Most people who move to a new country, do so for "selfish economic reasons."  I know all the immigrants who came to American, did it for "selfish economic reasons"...although, they called it simply 'a better life'.  Of course, seeking a better life can be called "selfish economic reasons", but that's just adjectives.  Really, it's seeking "economic opportunity," and coming from a hard worker, that's not at all selfish.

Tommy Monk wrote:If you are under threat and forced to run with no food and/or shelter etc... And then you make it to the neighboring country and the give you food and shelter and a place of safety... THEN STAY THE FUCK THERE AND THINK YOURSELF FICKING LUCKY AND BE FUCKING GRATEFUL!!!

But we are talking about asylum...would you deny those running away from terror and misery the benefits that are given to normal immigrants?

Tommy Monk wrote:DONT TRY TO MAKE IT ABOUT HAVING SOME EXCUSE TO ENTER UK ILLEGALLY!!!

That’s why we have hearings for those seeking asylum.

Tommy Monk wrote:Although nearly all of these arriving here are full of shit with no legitimate reason... Just a load of made up bullshit sob stories!!!

If your criticism is with the Courts, who conduct those hearings, write more specific and effective laws.  Don’t leave the Courts with any discretion.

Tommy Monk wrote:And it's high time the govt got a grip on this farce and also reduce the overall level of legal immigration too... Down from hundreds of thousands a year to tens of thousands... As they have been voted in to do!!!

Why…you really haven’t made your anti-immigration case, yet.  Is it the language barrier?  Skin color?  Culture…the ‘melting pot’ thesis?  Or perhaps simply that you don’t like those from “shithole” countries?  Discuss.

While we’re at it, Covid has left us with a worldwide shortage of workers to do the various jobs for us, especially the more menial ones (of course, there are immigrants who are doctors and talented engineers, etc., too).  That is an economic issue – high demand for goods, while a short supply of labor to produce the goods = higher prices/run-away inflation – and not specifically having to do with immigration.

But don’t you think allowing a few more immigrants in to fill in for those jobs would help us on the economic front? It’s the inverse of the anti-immigration argument we hear so often – immigrants are taking away jobs. And lo, we seem to have the inverse economic condition…so, it’s logical. Today, we seem to have a shortage of labor, and what better way to solve two problems with one toss of a stone. Bring in immigrants to serve as good workers - keep inflation down.

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:38 pm




We need to control the numbers and we need to vet those arriving... National security and the safety and security of our citizens comes first!



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Post by Original Quill Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:56 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:We need to control the numbers and we need to vet those arriving... National security and the safety and security of our citizens comes first!

Well, if you're that nervous, why don't you close your borders altogether?  Then you'll be safe, for sure.  Might be some inconveniences, but WTF...can't have too much security.  Especially when you have to fend off those pesky Russians all alone.

Alternatively, you could join the rest of the world and take a chance that national security isn't compromised.  Of course, if you take that chance, then you might join in some common sense solutions.  See above  The new Nationality and Borders Act  3408175593 .  The new Nationality and Borders Act  3489511464

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:54 pm




I'm all in favour of low levels of legal immigration... What I am against is mass legal immigration and even more so the illegal immigration of these fake asylum seekers!!!


Fuk sending them to Rwanda... What we need to do is just ship them straight back across the channel to France/EU as it is there that they are coming from and it is the EU open borders policy that lets them cross the whole of the Eurooean continent unchallenged!!!



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Post by Original Quill Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I'm all in favour of low levels of legal immigration... What I am against is mass legal immigration and even more so the illegal immigration of these fake asylum seekers!!!

You have to ask yourself: why do you feel that way?  Did immigrants bully, or tease you in your youth?  What purpose is your useless venting and whining, when real men have a challenge to get done.

The reality is, economically, immigrants are beneficial. See the advantage.  Right now the western world’s biggest problem (besides Russia) is our labor shortage owing to Covid.  Immigrants are like a godsend…the answer to our prayers.  Put aside your fickle prejudices, and help them to help you…in the reality of our current situation!

Tommy Monk wrote:Fuk sending them to Rwanda... What we need to do is just ship them straight back across the channel to France/EU as it is there that they are coming from and it is the EU open borders policy that lets them cross the whole of the Eurooean continent unchallenged!!!

What we need to do is provide them with employment to shore up our shortage of workers, and keep the financial system running smoothly.  Their presence on our shores can help our sagging economy – sagging from a labor shortage, leading to inflation and higher prices, an ultimate recession, and perhaps the dreaded return of depression.  All that can be avoided if only we act intelligently and cooperatively.  Here’s the answer – right before us all along!  Immigration provides workers.  If there is a god, he has sent manna from heaven all over again.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:38 pm




You are full of shit!



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Post by gelico Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:36 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

The Nationality and Borders Act will deter illegal entry into the UK, breaking the business model of people-smuggling networks, and speed up the removal of those with no right to be in the UK.

This will in turn free up the asylum system so we can better support those in genuine need of asylum through safe and legal routes.

In addition, the act puts into law that those who arrive illegally in the UK – who could have claimed asylum in another safe country – can be considered as ‘inadmissible’ to the UK asylum system.

Home Secretary Priti Patel said:

   This is a huge milestone in our commitment to our promise to the British public - a fair but firm immigration system.

   While there is no single solution to the global migration crisis, these new laws are the first step in overhauling our decades-old, broken asylum system.

   We will now work tirelessly to deliver these reforms to ensure we have an immigration system that protects those in genuine need while cracking down on abuse of the system and evil people-smuggling gangs.

These key reforms will be operating alongside a raft of other new measures, including:

   tougher penalties for people smugglers with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment
   increasing the maximum penalty for illegally entering the UK or overstaying a visa to 4 years’ imprisonment
   new measures to end the merry-go-round of legal challenges which can be used to frustrate removal of those with no right to be in the UK
   cracking down on adults pretending to be children by introducing scientific methods for age assessment
   a new US-style Electronic Travel Authorisation scheme to slam the door on criminals before they even get here


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/borders-act-to-overhaul-asylum-system-becomes-law



About bloody time!!!





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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:37 pm




It's the illegal immigrants and the wanker lawyers they have working for them who are full of shite!!!



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Post by Original Quill Wed Jun 15, 2022 6:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:It's the illegal immigrants and the wanker lawyers they have working for them who are full of shite!!!

You both - immigrants and Brits - are in need of some assistance.  You don't get anything unless you realize what you need...and fill it.  In the immigrants' case, they need a place to land.  In the Brits' case, they need workers to keep their factories going.  The way is there to help each other out.

The smart person doesn't pay homage to his prejudices...there's no reward in it.  The smart person sees his options, and chooses the one that improves his lot.

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Post by Vintage Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:40 pm

I don't think we have many factories to keep going, there's a lot of unemployment around here being post industrial. If you have jobs available - you have them.

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:15 pm

Vintage wrote:I don't think we have many factories to keep going, there's  a lot of unemployment around here being post industrial. If you have jobs available - you have them.

Perhaps that is why Britain is not feeling the Covid/worker-shortage pressure.  You have no economy you have to keep going.

We have firms that are begging for workers, both skilled and unskilled.

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