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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:28 pm




AT least 43 farmers and fisherman have been savagely butchered and some beheaded in Nigeria by armed men on motorcycles who were suspected Islamist maniacs.

The workers had been tied up before having their throats slit in the horrific in Borno state in a weekend of killing that has left at least 110 dead.

The attack is believed to have been blamed on the Boko Haram jihadist group left at least 110 dead, the UN humanitarian coordinator in the country said today.

Edward Kallon said in a statement, after initial tolls indicated 43 and then at least 70 dead from yesterday’s massacre by suspected Boko Haram fighters.

He said: "At least 110 civilians were ruthlessly killed and many others were wounded in this attack.

"The incident is the most violent direct attack against innocent civilians this year.

"I call for the perpetrators of this heinous and senseless act to be brought to justice."

The bloodletting centred on the village of Koshobe near the Borno state capital Maiduguri, with the killers targeting farm workers on rice fields, with a pro-government anti-jihadist militia saying the assailants tied up the labourers and slit their throats.

Kallon said the assailants — "armed men on motorcycles" — also targeted other communities in the area.


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Post by Ben Reilly Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:04 am

Fucking hell.

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Post by Original Quill Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:43 pm

The Sun wrote:Edward Kallon said in a statement, after initial tolls indicated 43 and then at least 70 dead from yesterday’s massacre by suspected Boko Haram fighters

Anyone can make things up. My god, we've just ousted a president who held that windmills cause cancer...and 4,000 other lies. It's about time we started placing the premium on proof, rather than self-interested speculation.

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:34 pm




Nobody is making this OP up... It has been widely reported.


Islamists doing pure evil... As usual...



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Post by Maddog Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:52 pm

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The Sun wrote:Edward Kallon said in a statement, after initial tolls indicated 43 and then at least 70 dead from yesterday’s massacre by suspected Boko Haram fighters

Anyone can make things up.  My god, we've just ousted a president who held that windmills cause cancer...and 4,000 other lies.  It's about time we started placing the premium on proof, rather than self-interested speculation.

You would know.

But that's it the case here.

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Post by Original Quill Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Nobody is making this OP up... It has been widely reported.

Islamists doing pure evil... As usual...

We have only the word of this guy, Edward Kallon, a UN representative.  Nobody listens to the UN anymore.  They are an 'interested' player, with vested interests just like the various nations that are members.

It used to be that terrorists would jump to claim responsibility, and advertise their efficacy.  Sometimes they even claim responsibility, when it is clearly a natural catastrophe or another cause.  But you can’t bring forward anyone?

Again, where is the proof?  If there is proof--and I don't deny there could be--why hide it?  It appears that if you are anti-Islamist, you jump on the train and take it for a ride for mere sympathy sake.  Like so many things these days, you don't wait for proof, but grasp things that suit your ideology.  It’s political.

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 30, 2020 7:58 pm




You are totally wrong quill... As I said, it has been widely reported by various sources.



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Post by Original Quill Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:19 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You are totally wrong quill... As I said, it has been widely reported by various sources.

Sourcess who, themselves, have no original sources.  Why don't they call it what it is...a rumor.  If so, they would give proper indication that it is someone's speculation, not fact.

Media outlets like the The Sun try to 'window-dress' their stories with evasive verbs and adjectives that suggest rock-solid sources, but they don't actually have validity.  This is a case in point.  Who is this twerp with some kind of UN badge, and why should I listen to him?

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Post by Maddog Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:45 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:You are totally wrong quill... As I said, it has been widely reported by various sources.

Sourcess who, themselves, have no original sources.  Why don't they call it what it is...a rumor.  If so, they would give proper indication that it is someone's speculation, not fact.

Media outlets like the The Sun try to 'window-dress' their stories with evasive verbs and adjectives that suggest rock-solid sources, but they don't actually have validity.  This is a case in point.  Who is this twerp with some kind of UN badge, and why should I listen to him?

At least 110 people have been killed in an attack on a village in north-east Nigeria blamed on the Boko Haram jihadist group, according to the UN humanitarian coordinator in the country.

“At least 110 civilians were ruthlessly killed and many others were wounded in this attack,” Edward Kallon said in a statement after initial tolls indicated 43 and then at least 70 dead from the massacre on Saturday by suspected Boko Haram fighters.

“The incident is the most violent direct attack against innocent civilians this year,” Kallon said, adding: “I call for the perpetrators of this heinous and senseless act to be brought to justice.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/29/nigeria-attack-boko-haram-farm-workers-killed

Ben, Quill ruins your forum with the crap like he's pulling on this thread.

This event happened, and arguing about whether it happens wastes everyone's time and causes them to move on.

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Post by Original Quill Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 am

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Sourcess who, themselves, have no original sources.  Why don't they call it what it is...a rumor.  If so, they would give proper indication that it is someone's speculation, not fact.

Media outlets like the The Sun try to 'window-dress' their stories with evasive verbs and adjectives that suggest rock-solid sources, but they don't actually have validity.  This is a case in point.  Who is this twerp with some kind of UN badge, and why should I listen to him?

At least 110 people have been killed in an attack on a village in north-east Nigeria blamed on the Boko Haram jihadist group, according to the UN humanitarian coordinator in the country.

“At least 110 civilians were ruthlessly killed and many others were wounded in this attack,” Edward Kallon said in a statement after initial tolls indicated 43 and then at least 70 dead from the massacre on Saturday by suspected Boko Haram fighters.

“The incident is the most violent direct attack against innocent civilians this year,” Kallon said, adding: “I call for the perpetrators of this heinous and senseless act to be brought to justice.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/29/nigeria-attack-boko-haram-farm-workers-killed

So Red, you don't have substantiation either?  Haw many opinions must we endure without anyone having a single shred of evidence?

Maddog wrote:Ben, Quill ruins your forum with the crap like he's pulling on this thread.

This event happened, and arguing about whether it happens wastes everyone's time and causes them to move on.  

This, from a guy who once believed that blacks were only good for playing drums and basketball.  Go get your AR-15...maybe that way you'll can win an argument without proof.  God knows, clear reason doesn't work with you.

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Maddog wrote:

At least 110 people have been killed in an attack on a village in north-east Nigeria blamed on the Boko Haram jihadist group, according to the UN humanitarian coordinator in the country.

“At least 110 civilians were ruthlessly killed and many others were wounded in this attack,” Edward Kallon said in a statement after initial tolls indicated 43 and then at least 70 dead from the massacre on Saturday by suspected Boko Haram fighters.

“The incident is the most violent direct attack against innocent civilians this year,” Kallon said, adding: “I call for the perpetrators of this heinous and senseless act to be brought to justice.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/29/nigeria-attack-boko-haram-farm-workers-killed

So Red, you don't have substantiation either?  Haw many opinions must we endure without anyone having a single shred of evidence?

Maddog wrote:Ben, Quill ruins your forum with the crap like he's pulling on this thread.

This event happened, and arguing about whether it happens wastes everyone's time and causes them to move on.  

This, from a guy who once believed that blacks were only good for playing drums and basketball.  Go get your AR-15...maybe that way you'll can win an argument without proof.  God knows, clear reason doesn't work with you.

Oh fuck off you lame turd.

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Another thread ruined by the forum cancer.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:41 pm




ABUJA, Nigeria

At least 44 farmers were killed Saturday by Boko Haram terrorists in northeastern Nigeria, according to representatives from the village where the attack occurred.

Former head of Borno Farmers Union Hassan Zabarmari said farmers working in rice fields in the Garin Kwashebe village of Borno state were attacked by the terror group.

He noted several others were injured.

A member of the House Representatives in Garin Kwashebe, Ahmed Satomi, also confirmed the attack and said security forces were dispatched to the region.


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/boko-haram-kills-44-farmers-in-nigeria/2059337



As I said... Widely reported!



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Post by Original Quill Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:49 pm

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Original Quill wrote:

So Red, you don't have substantiation either?  Haw many opinions must we endure without anyone having a single shred of evidence?



This, from a guy who once believed that blacks were only good for playing drums and basketball.  Go get your AR-15...maybe that way you'll can win an argument without proof.  God knows, clear reason doesn't work with you.

Oh fuck off you lame turd.  

This is a southerner who has reached his intellectual capacity.

To recap: Back in the day, Northerners developed mercantile and manufacturing economies, and meanwhile sharpened their intellectual skills.  They had to in order to survive.  Southerners, on the other hand, let the "negros" do the work, sat on antebellum porches and fried their brains drinking mint julips, and allowed their intellectual capacities wither and become useless.

Now southerners have two gears: (1) be polite and tolerate the conversation up to their limited capacity to understand and reason (which isn’t very far); and (2) grow angry and start Civil Wars.  That’s what they did in 1860, and that’s what they do today, with their guns and marches and black lives don’t matter!.  You have just witnessed a southerner crossing that threshold.

I feel sorry for them.  They were born into a zeitgeist that doesn’t permit growth.  But we don’t have time, and the only answer is to let them go.  Amexit.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:55 pm

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ABUJA, Nigeria

At least 44 farmers were killed Saturday by Boko Haram terrorists in northeastern Nigeria, according to representatives from the village where the attack occurred.

Former head of Borno Farmers Union Hassan Zabarmari said farmers working in rice fields in the Garin Kwashebe village of Borno state were attacked by the terror group.

He noted several others were injured.

A member of the House Representatives in Garin Kwashebe, Ahmed Satomi, also confirmed the attack and said security forces were dispatched to the region.


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/boko-haram-kills-44-farmers-in-nigeria/2059337



As I said... Widely reported!



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Post by Maddog Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:09 pm

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Oh fuck off you lame turd.  

This is a southerner who has reached his intellectual capacity.

To recap: Back in the day, Northerners developed mercantile and manufacturing economies, and meanwhile sharpened their intellectual skills.  They had to in order to survive.  Southerners, on the other hand, let the "negros" do the work, sat on antebellum porches and fried their brains drinking mint julips, and allowed their intellectual capacities wither and become useless.

Now southerners have two gears: (1) be polite and tolerate the conversation up to their limited capacity to understand and reason (which isn’t very far); and (2) grow angry and start Civil Wars.  That’s what they did in 1860, and that’s what they do today, with their guns and marches and black lives don’t matter!.  You have just witnessed a southerner crossing that threshold.

I feel sorry for them.  They were born into a zeitgeist that doesn’t permit growth.  But we don’t have time, and the only answer is to let them go.  Amexit.

Some times a "fuck off" is all that is left to say to lying fool.

Once again.

Fuck off you lame turd.

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Tommy Monk wrote:


ABUJA, Nigeria

At least 44 farmers were killed Saturday by Boko Haram terrorists in northeastern Nigeria, according to representatives from the village where the attack occurred.

Former head of Borno Farmers Union Hassan Zabarmari said farmers working in rice fields in the Garin Kwashebe village of Borno state were attacked by the terror group.

He noted several others were injured.

A member of the House Representatives in Garin Kwashebe, Ahmed Satomi, also confirmed the attack and said security forces were dispatched to the region.


https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/boko-haram-kills-44-farmers-in-nigeria/2059337



As I said... Widely reported!



Doesnt matter. Quill has decided it hasn't happened.

All news stories around here have to be vetted by him.

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Tommy Monk wrote:ABUJA, Nigeria

At least 44 farmers were killed Saturday by Boko Haram terrorists in northeastern Nigeria, according to representatives from the village where the attack occurred.

Former head of Borno Farmers Union Hassan Zabarmari said farmers working in rice fields in the Garin Kwashebe village of Borno state were attacked by the terror group.

He noted several others were injured.

A member of the House Representatives in Garin Kwashebe, Ahmed Satomi, also confirmed the attack and said security forces were dispatched to the region.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/boko-haram-kills-44-farmers-in-nigeria/2059337

As I said... Widely reported!

That's the problem, tom.  You don't have facts, you don't have proof.  So, you (or The Sun) will accept the word of some UN dufus with a bias, or the hearsay of some soldiers, who are themselves on the other side!

I've put up with my own country doing this shit for decades: those evil commie bastards stole our A-bomb and now are threatening us with it!  Nigeria farm massacre sees 43 workers killed as president slams 'insane' attack 2190311264  No bigger picture.  No enlightened reasoning.  Just 'us' and 'them', and repeat the same old crap you’ve heard for 60-years.  I got bored with it...it's so patently false.

That's what you're doing, tom.  You're just spinning the wheel of the most mundane, self-perpetuating tripe: "As I said... Widely reported!"  As if hearsay opinion will substitute for real proof.

What is it you're so fond of saying? Waffle!

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Quill has spoken. The forum is fortunate to have him vet stories fromThe Guardian so that we are not led astray by misleading reporting.

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Post by Original Quill Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:25 pm

Maddog wrote:Some times a "fuck off" is all that is left to say to lying fool.

Sometimes it’s the only thing a southerner, with limited capacity, can say. And then let your rage take over, and go out and start a fight!

Needless to say, y’all shame the rest of us.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:29 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:ABUJA, Nigeria

At least 44 farmers were killed Saturday by Boko Haram terrorists in northeastern Nigeria, according to representatives from the village where the attack occurred.

Former head of Borno Farmers Union Hassan Zabarmari said farmers working in rice fields in the Garin Kwashebe village of Borno state were attacked by the terror group.

He noted several others were injured.

A member of the House Representatives in Garin Kwashebe, Ahmed Satomi, also confirmed the attack and said security forces were dispatched to the region.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/boko-haram-kills-44-farmers-in-nigeria/2059337

As I said... Widely reported!

That's the problem, tom.  You don't have facts, you don't have proof.  So, you (or The Sun) will accept the word of some UN dufus with a bias, or the hearsay of some soldiers, who are themselves on the other side!

I've put up with my own country doing this shit for decades: those evil commie bastards stole our A-bomb and now are threatening us with it!  Nigeria farm massacre sees 43 workers killed as president slams 'insane' attack 2190311264  No bigger picture.  No enlightened reasoning.  Just 'us' and 'them', and repeat the same old crap you’ve heard for 60-years.  I got bored with it...it's so patently false.

That's what you're doing, tom.  You're just spinning the wheel of the most mundane, self-perpetuating tripe: "As I said... Widely reported!"  As if hearsay opinion will substitute for real proof.

What is it you're so fond of saying? Waffle!



Try reading the article you cretin...



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Post by Maddog Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:34 pm

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Maddog wrote:Some times a "fuck off" is all that is left to say to lying fool.


Sometimes it’s the only thing a southerner, with limited capacity, can say.  And then let your rage take over, and go out and start a fight!

Needless to say, y’all shame the rest of us.

Have I told you to fuck off lately? Cool

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Post by Maddog Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:36 pm

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That's the problem, tom.  You don't have facts, you don't have proof.  So, you (or The Sun) will accept the word of some UN dufus with a bias, or the hearsay of some soldiers, who are themselves on the other side!

I've put up with my own country doing this shit for decades: those evil commie bastards stole our A-bomb and now are threatening us with it!  Nigeria farm massacre sees 43 workers killed as president slams 'insane' attack 2190311264  No bigger picture.  No enlightened reasoning.  Just 'us' and 'them', and repeat the same old crap you’ve heard for 60-years.  I got bored with it...it's so patently false.

That's what you're doing, tom.  You're just spinning the wheel of the most mundane, self-perpetuating tripe: "As I said... Widely reported!"  As if hearsay opinion will substitute for real proof.

What is it you're so fond of saying? Waffle!



Try reading the article you cretin...



He doesn't need to. He has deemed all of the articles about this story to be unsubstantiated.

Quill has spoken. Who are you to challenge Newsfix's very own professor?

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:48 pm

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Try reading the article you cretin...



He doesn't need to. He has deemed all of the articles about this story to be unsubstantiated.

Quill has spoken. Who are you to challenge Newsfix's very own professor?




Yes, even though local people have confirmed the murders, quill knows better from his ward in the asylum he is in undergoing treatment for his delusional psychosis...



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Post by Maddog Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:53 pm

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He doesn't need to. He has deemed all of the articles about this story to be unsubstantiated.

Quill has spoken.  Who are you to challenge Newsfix's very own professor?




Yes, even though local people have confirmed the murders, quill knows better from his ward in the asylum he is in undergoing treatment for his delusional psychosis...




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Post by Maddog Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:31 pm

It's funny how Quill discounts the description of the events from some black dude in Africa.

Hes a "UN dufas" according to the enlightened one around here.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:47 pm




Quill tries to down play any violent/criminal act by Black's or Muslims... I wonder why...?



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Post by Original Quill Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Quill tries to down play any violent/criminal act by Black's or Muslims... I wonder why...?

I could make up stories about the criminal activities of your wife or children, parents, brothers and sisters.  How would that make you feel?

Well, that's exactly what you are doing.  You are taking hearsay evidence and parlaying it into gossip for thirsty readers.  What's good for the goose is good for the gander...shall we bring it home, just to say how does it feel?

Obviously, we won't do that because we are a decent lot.  Are you capable of being decent, tom?

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:40 pm



I posted a widely reported story of actual events.


You may not like the truth... But that doesn't stop it being true!



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Post by Original Quill Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:50 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I posted a widely reported story of actual events.

You may not like the truth... But that doesn't stop it being true!

It's not truth until it's verified, tom.  You are engaging in gossip.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:54 pm




It has been verified by locals in the area...


Try reading the latest article I posted above...






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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:55 pm





Former head of Borno Farmers Union Hassan Zabarmari said farmers working in rice fields in the Garin Kwashebe village of Borno state were attacked by the terror group.

He noted several others were injured.

A member of the House Representatives in Garin Kwashebe, Ahmed Satomi, also confirmed the attack and said security forces were dispatched to the region.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/africa/boko-haram-kills-44-farmers-in-nigeria/2059337



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Post by Original Quill Wed Dec 02, 2020 3:58 pm

Heresay.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:04 pm




Who would you need to verify this story before you deem it to have actually happened...!?



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Post by Original Quill Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:13 pm

Had they captured the villains and they admitted who they were, it would be the best evidence.  And, even circumstantial evidence would do…say, they all had backpacks that identifyed them.

But: if you hadn’t even seen a girl in over a year, would you believe it was your baby she was carrying?  Pshaw…

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:16 pm




Waffle...



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Post by Original Quill Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:17 pm

Hearsay...

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:23 pm




Not heresay.



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Post by Original Quill Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:41 pm

Did you witness it? If yes, then that's not hearsay. Anything else is hearsay.

Have you talked to or heard from the person who witnessed it? If so, is it from a credible reporter? If not, it's gossip.


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Post by Maddog Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:23 pm

Original Quill wrote:Did you witness it?  If yes, then that's not hearsay.  Anything else is hearsay.

Have you talked to or heard from the person who witnessed it?  If so, is it from a credible reporter?  If not, it's gossip.


Did you witness 911?

Maybe it didn't happen?

Your reaching dude. Just admit it. You don't believe this story because black people are the ones telling it.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Dec 02, 2020 7:27 pm



Local officials have confirmed what happened...



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Post by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:03 am

It's not about what happened. It's about why and who?

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Post by Maddog Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:It's not about what happened.  It's about why and who?

Maybe it was the IRA? Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:30 pm

Until we have factual proof, it could be anybody, for any purpose.

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Post by Maddog Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:35 pm

Original Quill wrote:Until we have factual proof, it could be anybody, for any purpose.

Yeah, maybe the Tamil Tigers did it. Razz

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Post by Original Quill Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:51 pm

Or the Detroit Tigers. Nigeria farm massacre sees 43 workers killed as president slams 'insane' attack 2190311264

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:56 pm




Maybe it was me and you Maddog...?


Or maybe quill dunnit...?


lol!



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Post by Maddog Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:19 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


Maybe it was me and you Maddog...?


Or maybe quill dunnit...?


lol!



We know it wasnt Quill. If he as chasing a woman around with a machete she would turn around and kick his ass.

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:30 am

As entertaining as this has not been to read, is there any way we could sort of bring the thread back on track?

Yes, Quill is being quite obstinate and rather unreasonable in his questioning of what are most likely solid sources of information on this attack. But he is right in that anything you weren't there to witness is questionable -- even if the witnesses are generally reliable.

Tommy and Maddog, you've both questioned the veracity of various news stories that have been posted here before. People do tend to question whether claims they'd prefer not to believe are true, and I've seen both of you do it, along with Quill.

But this is getting tiresome, so I suggest you all drop it and move on, as you've made your points abundantly. If you have anything else to say besides "It's not true"/"It's true," then feel free.

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Post by eddie Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:34 am

Ben wrote:
....But he is right in that anything you weren't there to witness is questionable -- even if the witnesses are generally reliable.

Absolutely what I’ve said my whole entire life!

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