pulling down a statue does not change history.

Ben Reilly wrote:Are the people pulling down or defacing statues under the impression that they're rewriting history?

Ben Reilly wrote:Are the people pulling down or defacing statues under the impression that they're rewriting history?

Original Quill wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Are the people pulling down or defacing statues under the impression that they're rewriting history?

If so, it's the wrong history.  You don't laud an enemy of the state.  The Confederates were wrong, we beat them, and quite frankly we should have had a Nuremberg in which the traitors were hanged.

Statues of Lee and Jackson are testimony that we never put the matter to rest.  We will have another civil war, perhaps with sterner measures at the end.

Syl wrote:Every country must have some bad history, they probably wouldn't have survived if they hadn't.

It cant be brushed away as if it never happened, right or wrong it did. Comparing the way people acted and in the climate they acted it cant be judged by todays standards.

It may not need to be celebrated, but it certainly should not be erased.

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:Every country must have some bad history, they probably wouldn't have survived if they hadn't.

It cant be brushed away as if it never happened, right or wrong it did. Comparing the way people acted and in the climate they acted it cant be judged by todays standards.

It may not need to be celebrated, but it certainly should not be erased.

I haven't heard anyone screaming about the vikings who pillaged a great deal of Britain, or the romans, no one seems to want the colloseum ripping down and they made slaves fight to the death there.

inmyopinion wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

If so, it's the wrong history.  You don't laud an enemy of the state.  The Confederates were wrong, we beat them, and quite frankly we should have had a Nuremberg in which the traitors were hanged.

Statues of Lee and Jackson are testimony that we never put the matter to rest.  We will have another civil war, perhaps with sterner measures at the end.

they lost the war but they still had the war, why forget what happened.

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

I haven't heard anyone screaming about the vikings who pillaged a great deal of Britain, or the romans, no one seems to want the colloseum ripping down and they made slaves fight to the death there.

Seen any Viking statues lately?  

Vintage wrote:If we keep pulling down statues of someone because of what they did in a very different era and culture there won't be any left, someone somewhere will always have a grievance and be offended. I doubt the Welsh and Scots are lining up to pay homage to Edward 1st.
If people are anywhere there may be a statue, its only of interest from a history point of view.
What happened has happened there may still be consequences of those actions during his reign that we prefer weren't still in effect but we hope our current leaders are doing better by us these days and of course we now have a bit more say.
Statues are put up for various reasons, like the one of Colston in Bristol the man may have done good things from bad things - which were generally not actually seen as bad at that time.

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

they lost the war but they still had the war, why forget what happened.

Why glorify the bad guys?  You don't see statutes of Hitler around Europe, do you?  Hitler had ovens, southerners had slavery and lynching?  Which is worse?  

IMO wrote:...bad guys? how arbitrary is that,

Syl wrote:IMO, If you have been around forums for a while I have no idea who you are/were previously, but I bet I agreed with a lot of what you said because you certainly talk a lot of sense in the threads you have recently started.
I also love your sig. x

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:IMO, If you have been around forums for a while I have no idea who you are/were previously, but I bet I agreed with a lot of what you said because you certainly talk a lot of sense in the threads you have recently started.
I also love your sig. x

Thank you most kind of you to say so, I like forums always have, I find other peoples point of view very important a different perspective can be quite enlightening.

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:
Thank you most kind of you to say so, I like forums always have, I find other peoples point of view very important a different perspective can be quite enlightening.

True, I should add that I also disagree with a lot of what you say    but that also makes forums more interesting.
Who wants to post on a Stepford forum?

inmyopinion wrote:

Syl wrote:
True, I should add that I also disagree with a lot of what you say    but that also makes forums more interesting.
Who wants to post on a Stepford forum?

I'm pleased you disagree with a lot of what I say, I just hope between enough people and enough perspectives we can come to the correct conclusion, I hate the current trend of closing down anything said that is disagreed with under the guise it might offend someone.
Disagreeing without anger, closing down debate, without name calling or pc pressure is essential.

Syl wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:
I'm pleased you disagree with a lot of what I say, I just hope between enough people and enough perspectives we can come to the correct conclusion, I hate the current trend of closing down anything said that is disagreed with under the guise it might offend someone.
Disagreeing without anger, closing down debate, without name calling or pc pressure is essential.

Sometimes there is no correct conclusion, other than to agree to disagree. or alternatively argue till the bitter end.....both are OK imo as long as it doesn't resort to childish name calling or tag teaming.
One good thing about here and maybe the other forum I am on.....debate isn't closed down because someone says something a bit too un
pc for the delicate of mind. I agree with you that freedom of speech, obviously as much as is legally allowed, is vital for a forum to make it interesting.