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Post by Didgee on Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:55 am

The 'Kentler Project' in West Berlin routinely placed homeless children with pedophile men, assuming they'd make ideal foster parents. A study has found the practice went on for decades

Starting in the 1970s psychology professor Helmut Kentler conducted his "experiment." Homeless children in West Berlin were intentionally placed with pedophile men. These men would make especially loving foster parents, Kentler argued.

A study conducted by the University of Hildesheim has found that authorities in Berlin condoned this practice for almost 30 years. The pedophile foster fathers even received a regular care allowance.

Helmut Kentler (1928-2008) was in a leading position at Berlin's center for educational research. He was convinced that sexual contact between adults and children was harmless.

Berlin's child welfare offices and the governing Senate turned a blind eye or even approved of the placements.

Several years ago two of the victims came forward and told their story, since then the researchers at Hildesheim University have plowed through files and conducted interviews.

What they found was a "network across educational institutions," the state youth welfare office and the Berlin Senate, in which pedophilia was "accepted, supported, defended."

Kentler himself was in regular contact with the children and their foster fathers. He was never prosecuted: By the time his victims came forward, the statute of limitations for his actions had expired. This has also thus far prevented the victims from getting any compensation.

The researchers found that several of the foster fathers were high-profile academics. They speak of a network that included high-ranking members of the Max Planck Institute, Berlin's Free University, and the notorious Odenwald School in Hesse, West Germany, which was at the center of a major pedophilia scandal several years ago. It has since been closed down.

Berlin's senator for youth and children, Sandra Scheeres called the findings "shocking and horrifying."

A first report on the "Kentler experiment" was published in 2016 by the University of Göttingen. The researchers then stated that the Berlin Senate seemed to lack interest in finding out the truth.

Now Berlin authorities have vowed to shed light on the matter.


https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-authorities-placed-children-with-pedophiles-for-30-years/a-53814208


Utterly disgraceful. How many more children have been victims to abuse here?

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Post by Syl on Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:14 pm

Some things are just unbelievable, this is one of them.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:03 pm



This is what happens when homosexual peados are put into positions of power, and where political correctness allows it by stamping down on any questioning and/or criticism of these type of policies.



These has been cases here in UK where lefty peado loving councils have placed children with peadophiles... And of course let's not forget the huge numbers of cases of children in care facing regular abuse from their carers and the vast number of children being abused by huge gangs of Pakistani Muslim peados, and the subsequent cover up by councils/police and other authorities!



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Post by Syl on Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:19 pm

Tommy, I couldn't agree more with your last paragraph.

The first paragraph is misleading. Homosexuals are no more likely to be paedophiles than heterosexuals and your second paragraph proves that.

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Syl wrote:Homosexuals are no more likely to be paedophiles than heterosexuals and your second paragraph proves that.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Aug 16, 2020 6:32 pm



I don't agree.



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Post by Syl on Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:02 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

I don't agree.


Well you mentioned the Muslim gangs who groomed and raped thousand of youngsters in the UK for decades, and are still doing it .
They were not after young boys were they?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:04 am

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

I don't agree.


Well you mentioned the Muslim gangs who groomed and raped thousand of youngsters in the UK for decades, and are still doing it .
They were not after young boys were they?


Boys were victims too...

But I was referring more to my general point about councils/police/authorities being complicit, and the imposition of politically correct ideals that enable wrongdoing by certain groups...



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Post by Eilzel on Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:26 am

Oh look, it's 'not homophobic' tommy connecting homosexuality with paedophilia again. Tell me again how you have no problem with gay people but not wanting them to adopt kids, be mentioned in schools or get married again, tommy Rolling Eyes

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Post by inmyopinion on Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:23 pm

Didgee wrote:The 'Kentler Project' in West Berlin routinely placed homeless children with pedophile men, assuming they'd make ideal foster parents. A study has found the practice went on for decades

Starting in the 1970s psychology professor Helmut Kentler conducted his "experiment." Homeless children in West Berlin were intentionally placed with pedophile men. These men would make especially loving foster parents, Kentler argued.

A study conducted by the University of Hildesheim has found that authorities in Berlin condoned this practice for almost 30 years. The pedophile foster fathers even received a regular care allowance.

Helmut Kentler (1928-2008) was in a leading position at Berlin's center for educational research. He was convinced that sexual contact between adults and children was harmless.

Berlin's child welfare offices and the governing Senate turned a blind eye or even approved of the placements.

Several years ago two of the victims came forward and told their story, since then the researchers at Hildesheim University have plowed through files and conducted interviews.

What they found was a "network across educational institutions," the state youth welfare office and the Berlin Senate, in which pedophilia was "accepted, supported, defended."

Kentler himself was in regular contact with the children and their foster fathers. He was never prosecuted: By the time his victims came forward, the statute of limitations for his actions had expired. This has also thus far prevented the victims from getting any compensation.

The researchers found that several of the foster fathers were high-profile academics. They speak of a network that included high-ranking members of the Max Planck Institute, Berlin's Free University, and the notorious Odenwald School in Hesse, West Germany, which was at the center of a major pedophilia scandal several years ago. It has since been closed down.

Berlin's senator for youth and children, Sandra Scheeres called the findings "shocking and horrifying."

A first report on the "Kentler experiment" was published in 2016 by the University of Göttingen. The researchers then stated that the Berlin Senate seemed to lack interest in finding out the truth.

Now Berlin authorities have vowed to shed light on the matter.


https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-authorities-placed-children-with-pedophiles-for-30-years/a-53814208


Utterly disgraceful. How many more children have been victims to abuse here?

wow it beggars belief...

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:33 pm

dw wrote:Berlin's child welfare offices and the governing Senate turned a blind eye or even approved of the placements.

I'm curious: under what theory or reason did they "approve"? This doesn't appear to be mere negligence. What was the intent?

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dw wrote:Berlin's child welfare offices and the governing Senate turned a blind eye or even approved of the placements.

I'm curious: under what theory or reason did they "approve"?  This doesn't appear to be mere negligence.  What was the intent?

He dumb fuck. Look at the spelling of pedophile in this thread. Cool

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:07 pm

Eilzel wrote:Oh look, it's 'not homophobic' tommy connecting homosexuality with paedophilia again. Tell me again how you have no problem with gay people but not wanting them to adopt kids, be mentioned in schools or get married again, tommy Rolling Eyes


Fundamentally, homosexuality is a deviant sexual practice and same sex attraction is not the normal natural way of things, ergo it is an example of where something has gone wrong...

Adoptive children should not be forced into being brought up by homosexuals in such an unnatural environment whereby they are deliberately denied the normal and natural mother and father structure in their lives...

As a sexually deviant practice, it should not be promoted in schools in any way... Section 28 was a good thing in preventing the promotion of homosexuality to children...

I think a marriage is between a man and a woman.


However... it is up to individuals what they choose to do with other consenting adults behind closed doors... None of my business... I do not want or need to know...

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Post by Didgee on Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:29 pm

First of all homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a practice

Your first error

So what sexual acts are deviant acts that only homosexuals engage in as two consenting adults?

Lets go through the list

Oral sex?

Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals, engage in this

How about masturbating a partner?

Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals, engage in this

How about anal sex?

Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals, engage in this

If you think the above sexual acts are deviant

Then you must think the Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals,are deviant

Hence the ridiculousness of your claim debunked

Your next assertion about normality

Its completely normal and many people marry, whether gay or heterosexual or bisexual. None of which has any effect on your life

So this claim is also debunked

As to adopting children?

All studies shows gay parents raise children as well as straight couple parents

Hence that claims is debunked

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:08 pm

So, it was just an illicit network?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:42 pm

Didgee wrote:First of all homosexuality is a sexual orientation, not a practice

Your first error

So what sexual acts are deviant acts that only homosexuals engage in as two consenting adults?

Lets go through the list

Oral sex?

Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals, engage in this

How about masturbating a partner?

Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals, engage in this

How about anal sex?

Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals, engage in this

If you think the above sexual acts are deviant

Then you must think the Heterosexual, homosexuals and bisexuals,are deviant

Hence the ridiculousness of your claim debunked

Your next assertion about normality

Its completely normal and many people marry, whether gay or heterosexual or bisexual. None of which has any effect on your life

So this claim is also debunked

As to adopting children?

All studies shows gay parents raise children as well as straight couple parents

Hence that claims is debunked


Attraction and sexual interaction between members of the opposite sex is the normal and natural way of things... it is not normal or natural for this to be between those of the same sex... therefore sexually deviant...



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Tommy Monk wrote:Attraction and sexual interaction between members of the opposite sex is the normal and natural way of things... it is not normal or natural for this to be between those of the same sex...

I don't think you can prove that.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:20 pm




Biology proves it...!



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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Aug 17, 2020 10:27 pm

it does nothing of the sort

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Yes it does...



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Tommy Monk wrote:Yes it does...

Not really.  If it did, you would explain how.  The fact that you shy away from that question means that you don't know how to answer it.  You are stuck.

Biology is biology.  Of itself, it proves nothing. If anything, the fact that there are homosexuals in all species tends to suggest that it is quite natural.

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:37 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Oh look, it's 'not homophobic' tommy connecting homosexuality with paedophilia again. Tell me again how you have no problem with gay people but not wanting them to adopt kids, be mentioned in schools or get married again, tommy Rolling Eyes


Fundamentally, homosexuality is a deviant sexual practice and same sex attraction is not the normal natural way of things, ergo it is an example of where something has gone wrong...

Adoptive children should not be forced into being brought up by homosexuals in such an unnatural environment whereby they are deliberately denied the normal and natural mother and father structure in their lives...

As a sexually deviant practice, it should not be promoted in schools in any way... Section 28 was a good thing in preventing the promotion of homosexuality to children...

I think a marriage is between a man and a woman.


However... it is up to individuals what they choose to do with other consenting adults behind closed doors... None of my business... I do not want or need to know...

Yeah, thanks for reiterating your arrogant stone age views. I don't actually care, just nice to have you to reaffirm your raging homophobia after slimily making a connection with paedophilia. Ta.

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Post by Syl on Tue Aug 18, 2020 12:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


Biology proves it...!



Can you explain how?

Being straight and attracted to to the opposite sex may be 'normal' to you. Being gay and attracted to the same sex is 'normal' for homosexuals.
Biologically we are born to be whatever we are.


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Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Biology proves it...!



Can you explain how?

Being straight and  attracted to to the opposite sex may be 'normal' to you. Being gay and attracted to the same sex is 'normal' for homosexuals.
Biologically we are born to be whatever we are.


Being gay is unusual in that it occurs in about 1 out of 20 or 30 people, depending on who you ask. That doesn't make it unnatural. Tommy appears to be conflating unusual with unnatural.

Having a 3rd nipple is unusual, but its quite natural.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:54 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:Yes it does...

Not really.  If it did, you would explain how.  The fact that you shy away from that question means that you don't know how to answer it.  You are stuck.

Biology is biology.  Of itself, it proves nothing. If anything, the fact that there are homosexuals in all species tends to suggest that it is quite natural.




That is complete bullshit...!



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Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Fundamentally, homosexuality is a deviant sexual practice and same sex attraction is not the normal natural way of things, ergo it is an example of where something has gone wrong...

Adoptive children should not be forced into being brought up by homosexuals in such an unnatural environment whereby they are deliberately denied the normal and natural mother and father structure in their lives...

As a sexually deviant practice, it should not be promoted in schools in any way... Section 28 was a good thing in preventing the promotion of homosexuality to children...

I think a marriage is between a man and a woman.


However... it is up to individuals what they choose to do with other consenting adults behind closed doors... None of my business... I do not want or need to know...

Yeah, thanks for reiterating your arrogant stone age views. I don't actually care, just nice to have you to reaffirm your raging homophobia after slimily making a connection with paedophilia. Ta.




Nothing stone age or "homophobic"... Just the truth...



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Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Biology proves it...!



Can you explain how?

Being straight and attracted to to the opposite sex may be 'normal' to you. Being gay and attracted to the same sex is 'normal' for homosexuals.
Biologically we are born to be whatever we are.




Attraction and sexual interaction between those of opposite sex is normal... It is how attraction and sexual interaction is supposed to work...






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Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

Can you explain how?

Being straight and  attracted to to the opposite sex may be 'normal' to you. Being gay and attracted to the same sex is 'normal' for homosexuals.
Biologically we are born to be whatever we are.


Being gay is unusual in that it occurs in about 1 out of 20 or 30 people, depending on who you ask. That doesn't make it unnatural. Tommy appears to be conflating unusual with unnatural.

Having a 3rd nipple is unusual, but its quite natural.


Hardly...



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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
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Not really.  If it did, you would explain how.  The fact that you shy away from that question means that you don't know how to answer it.  You are stuck.

Biology is biology.  Of itself, it proves nothing.  If anything, the fact that there are homosexuals in all species tends to suggest that it is quite natural.

That is complete bullshit...!

Denial is not an answer, tommy.  A rational person has a reason for his/her position.

Homosexuality, though less frequent, appears as constantly and regularly in populations no matter the era, no matter the species.  The contemporary era appears to began in 10,500 BC, and throughout all of that time homosexuality has existed.  Socrates was one, as was Hawthorn, Edward II was one, as is Pete Buttigieg.  No one can deny their presence, as well as their contribution.

Homosexuality is as regular, as it is natural and normal.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:27 pm





No... not normal... or natural...


It is where something has gone wrong...



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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:50 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No... not normal... or natural...

It is where something has gone wrong...

Make your case, tommy. I'm listening. So, far you have stated only conclusions. Why, when homosexuality occurs so normally, and naturally, is it not normal or natural? Are those just labels, or is there substance to them?

I say, it is what it is...normal is what occurs normally, and natural is what occurs naturally. But we are willing to listen.

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Post by Syl on Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
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Can you explain how?

Being straight and  attracted to to the opposite sex may be 'normal' to you. Being gay and attracted to the same sex is 'normal' for homosexuals.
Biologically we are born to be whatever we are.




Attraction and sexual interaction between those of opposite sex is normal... It is how attraction and sexual interaction is supposed to work...






'Supposed to work'...Says who?
There have been gay people since the dawn of time.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:00 pm




Biology...

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Tommy Monk wrote:Biology...
.,..is just a word. Your argument appears to be just words. Sleep

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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:59 am

Tommy, you are years younger than I am, but your mindset seems to be that of people born years before even my time.
Not sure why you have such an unmoving attitude when science, opinion, and society have moved far forwards in the last decades.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you don't seem to want to listen to reason....which makes you closed minded imo.

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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:06 pm

But to get back to the OP, I am sure as many homosexuals as heterosexuals are appalled that young children were deliberately given into the care of paedophiles, and I doubt anyone (but Tommy) could argue with that point.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:44 pm

Syl wrote:Tommy, you are years younger than I am, but your mindset seems to be that of people born years before even my time.
Not sure why you have such an unmoving attitude when science, opinion, and society have moved far forwards in the last decades.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you don't seem to want to listen to reason....which makes you closed minded imo.



I'm just stating my opinion on homosexuality... Opinion that is held by vast majority of people on the planet...!






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Post by Original Quill on Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:Tommy, you are years younger than I am, but your mindset seems to be that of people born years before even my time.
Not sure why you have such an unmoving attitude when science, opinion, and society have moved far forwards in the last decades.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you don't seem to want to listen to reason....which makes you closed minded imo.

I'm just stating my opinion on homosexuality... Opinion that is held by vast majority of people on the planet...!

But tom, it's not an opinion question. It's an empirical question.

Let's say it's cloudy and raining outside, but it's your opinion that it is bright and sunny. There are meteorologists that say it is raining, and everyone who goes outside says it's raining.

But you are steadfast that it is sunny and bright. The only conclusion has to be that you are not all there, mentally.

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I'm not talking about the weather...


But the analogy works better the other way round...


It is obvious to everybody that male/female attraction and sexual interaction is the right, normal and natural way of things...


To say that male/male and female/female is the right, normal and natural way of things is just ridiculous nonsense!!!



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Post by Original Quill on Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I'm not talking about the weather...

But you are talking about an empirical question.  It's your logic that is faulty.

Tommy Monk wrote:But the analogy works better the other way round...

It is obvious to everybody that male/female attraction and sexual interaction is the right, normal and natural way of things...

To say that male/male and female/female is the right, normal and natural way of things is just ridiculous nonsense!!!

It was once obvious "to everyone" that the earth was flat.  This was the "right, normal and natural way of things."  Until they looked around and could not deny that the earth was round.

An empirical question is one that hurts you if you get it wrong.  You may believe that it is "right, normal and natural way of things" that a god will save you if you jump off a cliff.  The clear logic will hit you just before you hit the ground.

The truth of homosexuality will hit you at about the same time.  Laughing

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:55 pm




Saying male/male female/female attraction and sexual interaction is the right/normal/natural way of things is akin to saying the earth is a giant flat bar of chocolate and the moon is made of cheese...!


lol!




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Post by Eilzel on Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:Tommy, you are years younger than I am, but your mindset seems to be that of people born years before even my time.
Not sure why you have such an unmoving attitude when science, opinion, and society have moved far forwards in the last decades.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you don't seem to want to listen to reason....which makes you closed minded imo.



I'm just stating my opinion on homosexuality... Opinion that is held by vast majority of people on the planet...!






In which countries are gay rights to your liking, Tommy?

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Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:Tommy, you are years younger than I am, but your mindset seems to be that of people born years before even my time.
Not sure why you have such an unmoving attitude when science, opinion, and society have moved far forwards in the last decades.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you don't seem to want to listen to reason....which makes you closed minded imo.



I'm just stating my opinion on homosexuality... Opinion that is held by vast majority of people on the planet...!

most of whom are religious nut jobs Berlin authorities placed children with pedophiles for 30 years 2190311264






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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:55 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:



I'm just stating my opinion on homosexuality... Opinion that is held by vast majority of people on the planet...!






In which countries are gay rights to your liking, Tommy?


There are two extreme views... One is yours where you think homosexuality is just the same as a male/female heterosexual relationship, and where you think homosexuality should be promoted in schools and society, and marriage between homosexuals should be allowed and where adoptive children should be handed to homosexuals with no regard to the child's needs for a mother and a father etc...


And the other extreme is where homosexuals are hunted down and imprisoned or even murdered Isis style...


My views are middle ground... As I explained earlier...



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Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

In which countries are gay rights to your liking, Tommy?

There are two extreme views... One is yours where you think homosexuality is just the same as a male/female heterosexual relationship, and where you think homosexuality should be promoted in schools and society, and marriage between homosexuals should be allowed and where adoptive children should be handed to homosexuals with no regard to the child's needs for a mother and a father etc...

And the other extreme is where homosexuals are hunted down and imprisoned or even murdered Isis style...

My views are middle ground... As I explained earlier...

The middle ground is live and let live. Is that where you stand?

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Post by Eilzel on Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
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Tommy Monk wrote:



I'm just stating my opinion on homosexuality... Opinion that is held by vast majority of people on the planet...!






In which countries are gay rights to your liking, Tommy?


There are two extreme views... One is yours where you think homosexuality is just the same as a male/female heterosexual relationship, and where you think homosexuality should be promoted in schools and society, and marriage between homosexuals should be allowed and where adoptive children should be handed to homosexuals with no regard to the child's needs for a mother and a father etc...


And the other extreme is where homosexuals are hunted down and imprisoned or even murdered Isis style...


My views are middle ground... As I explained earlier...



Don't try making your views reasonable, they aren't. And don't misconstrue. No one is promoting sexuality, children's needs are always paramount. No one is saying gay and straight marriage is the same either, just that it is equal.

You seem to think gay relationships are inferior or abnormal. So I'll ask again, is there a country you think has the law right? Russia perhaps?

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My views ARE reasonable... it is yours that are extreme...



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My views ARE reasonable... it is yours that are extreme...



No one agrees with you. Try Russia.

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Post by Syl on Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:16 pm

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My views ARE reasonable... it is yours that are extreme...



But logically Tommy, if your views are reasonable, the odds are that other people would agree with them.
On here there are men and women from different walks of life, different ages, different education and experiences, yet you are the only one who holds these views.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:34 pm




But in the real world... it's the other way round...



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