Wives of Iraq veterans asked to 'grass them up' for alleged war crimes.

by Syl Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:41 am

"Families of elite soldiers are believed to have been questioned in a probe into alleged war crimes.

A team of former police detectives is said to have quizzed the wives and girlfriends of servicemen while investigating 20 soldiers over historical allegations made by Iraqi civilians.

A source claims the team even asked the men’s former spouses and lovers whether they ever “confessed” or “spoke in their sleep” about the front line.

Many of the troops under investigation have received bravery awards – and many had been previously cleared of any alleged wrongdoing.

But the Iraq Historical Allegations Team (IHAT), set up by the Government, is now examining 263 separate complaints against the men, including 53 cases of unlawful killing and 110 cases of alleged ill treatment between 2003 and 2009.

Of those, around 20 are linked to either the SAS, SBS or interrogators working with the special forces.

Many of the soldiers and marines being investigated had been cleared of any crime. They spent years in limbo wondering whether they would be sent to prison for doing their duty. Now those investigations have been reopened and their lives are back on hold.

Any new evidence uncovered by the IHAT probe which indicates a crime has been committed will be sent to the Service Prosecuting Authority who will decide whether a soldier will be charged."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest-news/wives-iraq-veterans-asked-grass-5337238

by Syl Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:48 am

Putting a wife or partner in the position to be asked to divulge personal conversations between her and her soldier husband is wrong in my opinion.

The situations those soldiers faced were completely different to what they may face, and react to when they are not in a warzone.

Hopefully no spurned wife or partner would use any info they have been told to get back at a husband who they no longer want to be with.

by Original Quill Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Syl wrote:Putting a wife or partner in the position to be asked to divulge personal conversations between her and her soldier husband is wrong in my opinion.

Should be covered by the spousal privilege.

Syl wrote:The situations those soldiers faced were completely different to what they may face, and react to when they are not in a warzone.

As with Iraqi fighters.

Syl wrote:Hopefully no spurned wife or partner would use any info they have been told to get back at a husband who they no longer want to be with.

It would be hearsay, anyway. The wives weren't there, and didn't witness anything. If they are trying for the admissions exception to the hearsay rule, it's iffy at best. "Spoke in their sleep"? Could be nightmares, or any number of dreams as distinct from recollections.

I think it's a waste of money.

by Syl Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:31 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:Putting a wife or partner in the position to be asked to divulge personal conversations between her and her soldier husband is wrong in my opinion.

Should be covered by the spousal privilege.

Syl wrote:The situations those soldiers faced were completely different to what they may face, and react to when they are not in a warzone.

As with Iraqi fighters.

They are not under investigation.

Syl wrote:Hopefully no spurned wife or partner would use any info they have been told to get back at a husband who they no longer want to be with.

It would be hearsay, anyway. The wives weren't there, and didn't witness anything. If they are trying for the admissions exception to the hearsay rule, it's iffy at best. "Spoke in their sleep"? Could be nightmares, or any number of dreams as distinct from recollections.

"Any new evidence uncovered by the IHAT probe which indicates a crime has been committed will be sent to the Service Prosecuting Authority who will decide whether a soldier will be charged."

I think it's a waste of money.

You are not the only one...
"Our source described the £35million IHAT investigation as a “ridiculous waste of tax-payers’ money”.

by Original Quill Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:32 pm

Syl wrote:
OQ wrote:As with Iraqi fighters.

They are not under investigation.

In any issue, one must always consider the political ramifications, as well as the executive actions. After all, a political election is the ultimate executive action.

We tend to judge the "other" in a war more harshly than we judge ourselves. It's not just our side that needs to be given latitude, but both sides. I appreciate that with executive actions there are more rules. But, for that very reason, bias and bigotry tend to creep out in political thinking. So, it's worth mentioning.

by nicko Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm

They chased us in Ireland ,now Iraq. Why not try WW1,or Korea, or even the War of the fucking Roses ?

by Syl Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:01 pm

It does seem to be something of a witch hunt seeing as the article states...
"Many of the troops under investigation have received bravery awards – and many had been previously cleared of any alleged wrongdoing."

by Original Quill Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:10 pm

nicko wrote: They chased us in Ireland ,now Iraq. Why not try WW1,or Korea, or even the War of the fucking Roses ?

WWI and WWII were not immoral wars. With Korea forward, we took the spirit of colonialism and twisted it to fit the mold of the cold war. The Soviets dictated the merits and demerits, which turned out to be weak and vulnerable nations. Thus, we felt the need to invade their homes, and kill their babies, in order to force our beliefs on the defenders. The odd thing is that one of the principles of our own founding was that each nation should be self-determining, yet here we were telling them what to be and think.

As for the Wars of the Roses, that was a silly inter-family dispute that is the inevitable result of systems of oligarchy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy

by eddie Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:01 pm

What a waste of time and money. Have they nothing better to do? Really???

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