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Post by Didgee on Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:16 pm

This elementary teacher, who doesn't know when America was founded, says she teaches her students about leftist protesting and activism but refuses to teach the actual curriculum.

a thread about how we got here:

https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1282910518345252865

Plenty to read and watch on how teachers have politicised teaching over actually teaching children education

This is not objective teaching but brainwashing

I fear for future generations, as its going to get very ugly, with history repeating itself all over again

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 14, 2020 4:22 pm

phil wrote:This elementary teacher, who doesn't know when America was founded, says she teaches her students about leftist protesting and activism but refuses to teach the actual curriculum.

Your link doesn't play through, so I'm unable to research the matter further.

But, do you know when America was founded?  Was it July 4th, 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was signed? That was a simple letter to King George III...not even an act of a duly elected official or legislative body.

Or, was it November 15, 1777, when the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union were created?

Or, perhaps it was March 1, 1781, when the Articles of Confederation were ratified and America finally had a working government--albeit, flawed?

Finally, perhaps it was September 17. 1787--eleven years after the Declaration of Independence--when the Constitution was ratified and the working government that is in existence today was established?  Of course, then, every time the Constitution has been amended it is arguable that a new government comes into being.

But I don’t know what the controversy is, as your link doesn’t work.

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Post by Didgee on Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:19 pm

Link works fine

The rest of your points are as per usual irrelevant to the points at hand, made in the thread on twitter

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:00 pm

Didgee wrote:Link works fine

Yes, now that you've fixed it.  Thank you.

phil wrote:The rest of your points are as per usual irrelevant to the points at hand, made in the thread on twitter

Meaning you have no answer.  I thought not.  You were running a trick play, after all.  When the full truth is known, you can't answer when the US was started either. Very Trumpian.

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Post by Didgee on Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:03 pm

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Didgee wrote:Link works fine

Yes, now that you've fixed it.  Thank you.

phil wrote:The rest of your points are as per usual irrelevant to the points at hand, made in the thread on twitter

Meaning you have no answer.  I thought not.  You were running a trick play, after all.  When the full truth is known, you can't answer when the US was started either.  Very Trumpian.

What did your points have to do with the politicisation of teaching?

Zero

Its not based off one tweet but a number of tweets

Doh

Its your typical trick to sidetrack

If you want a history lesson
Try the Soviet Union for a comparison

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:16 pm

I was in the cafe the other day and there was some idiot kid about 8 years old, with his parents, and he was babbling on about black lives matter and tearing down statues and said he'd be quite happy with Churchill's statue being torn down...


The lefty liberal parents just sort of laughed embarrassingly and tried to ignore him...


I wonder where this little precocious twat was getting all that from?


He should be thinking about football or playstation games or kicking about on his BMX or some other kid like stuff... Not babbling bullshit about stuff way beyond his years ..



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Post by Syl on Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:22 pm

Teachers should follow the curriculum and keep their own private sometimes extreme opinions to themselves.
They are not there to brainwash innocents, they are there to educate by following guidelines set down for the good of the child. That's what enables the kids to have a decent education so they have a base for making their own political and emotional choices as they grow.

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Post by Didgee on Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Syl wrote:Teachers should follow the curriculum and keep their own private sometimes extreme opinions to themselves.
They are not there to brainwash innocents, they are there to educate by following guidelines set down for the good of the child. That's what enables the kids to have a decent education so they have a base for making their own political and emotional choices as they grow.

Spot on

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Politics should be kept only for the subjects of politics/history taught and the teachers to teach with balance. Also only for older pupils

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:46 pm

Syl wrote:Teachers should follow the curriculum and keep their own private sometimes extreme opinions to themselves.
They are not there to brainwash innocents, they are there to educate by following guidelines set down for the good of the child. That's what enables the kids to have a decent education so they have a base for making their own political and emotional choices as they grow.

Unfortunately, that wouldn't be teaching. That would be indoctrinating. We used to accuse the Chinese and the Russians of brain-washing. Yet, here we are, suggesting the same thing.

You don't want thinking, breathing, living human beings in our children. You want grist for the industrial mill.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:03 pm

phil wrote:What did your points have to do with the politicisation of teaching?

Well, for one thing, your premise fell flat as a pancake. The teacher in your example was entirely correct in refusing an answer...there is no flat answer. Announcing in a letter that you are severing all political ties does nothing to make a nation. A loose federation, such as the Articles of Confederation, is just pact...like NATO or the Rome Accord. It didn't start a nation.

But out of the entire process grew a binding Constitution—and it is still evolving, so it is all an ever-emerging entity. There is no single date when the US was founded. It is still being founded.

A single, artificial date would have missed the entire point, that this nation belongs to the living, and is still evolving.

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Post by Syl on Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:36 am

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:Teachers should follow the curriculum and keep their own private sometimes extreme opinions to themselves.
They are not there to brainwash innocents, they are there to educate by following guidelines set down for the good of the child. That's what enables the kids to have a decent education so they have a base for making their own political and emotional choices as they grow.

Unfortunately, that wouldn't be teaching.  That would be indoctrinating.  We used to accuse the Chinese and the Russians of brain-washing.  Yet, here we are, suggesting the same thing.

You don't want thinking, breathing, living human beings in our children.  You want grist for the industrial mill.

An elementary teacher should be teaching young children basic subjects and concentrating on their behaviour, not ramming her own political views into young minds, that's not what she is being paid for.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:26 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Unfortunately, that wouldn't be teaching.  That would be indoctrinating.  We used to accuse the Chinese and the Russians of brain-washing.  Yet, here we are, suggesting the same thing.

You don't want thinking, breathing, living human beings in our children.  You want grist for the industrial mill.

An elementary teacher should be teaching young children basic subjects and concentrating on their behaviour, not ramming her own political views into young minds, that's not what she is being paid for.

Perhaps civics is too advanced for 6 or 8-year old's. But misleading the same children about civics is worse. Save the complex realities about politics and civic matters until they are 14 to 18, but don't give them false information when they are 6 - 8.

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Post by Didgee on Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:39 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Unfortunately, that wouldn't be teaching.  That would be indoctrinating.  We used to accuse the Chinese and the Russians of brain-washing.  Yet, here we are, suggesting the same thing.

You don't want thinking, breathing, living human beings in our children.  You want grist for the industrial mill.

An elementary teacher should be teaching young children basic subjects and concentrating on their behaviour, not ramming her own political views into young minds, that's not what she is being paid for.

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Post by Syl on Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:28 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

An elementary teacher should be teaching young children basic subjects and concentrating on their behaviour, not ramming her own political views into young minds, that's not what she is being paid for.

Perhaps civics is too advanced for 6 or 8-year old's.  But misleading the same children about civics is worse.  Save the complex realities about politics and civic matters until they are 14 to 18, but don't give them false information when they are 6 - 8.


When the kids are old enough to be taught in school about politics and social matters, it should be done in a none biased way by an informed and qualified teacher, not some airhead who wants to push her own political views onto young kids.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:23 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Perhaps civics is too advanced for 6 or 8-year old's. But misleading the same children about civics is worse. Save the complex realities about politics and civic matters until they are 14 to 18, but don't give them false information when they are 6 - 8.


When the kids are old enough to be taught in school about politics and social matters, it should be done in a none biased way by an informed and qualified teacher, not some airhead who wants to push her own political views onto young kids.

Who could disagree with that?

But it misses the point entirely. I see no educator who is unqualified here, and frankly the OP doesn't make the point intended.

The OP asks an ignorant question, that assumes a cursory, incorrect answer. It is cursory in that it assumes a single date for the commencement of the US. It is incorrect in that that no single date can suffice.

In legal circles, it’s known as a trick question.


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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:37 pm

1) Choose an extreme, outrageous example from the group you side against, in this case the left ("nutpicking").

2) Irrationally argue that this example illustrates the state of the world as a whole, rather than an isolated incident (the logical fallacy known as "proof by example").

3) Enjoy watching people who aren't as current on the topic under discussion, or skeptical of the tactics you're using, agree with your poorly-supported conclusion ("I fear for future generations," as though this teacher is teaching all the future generations of the world, rather than 20 or so kids per year -- or, as though all the teachers of the world are just like her).

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Post by Didgee on Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:59 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:1) Choose an extreme, outrageous example from the group you side against, in this case the left ("nutpicking").

2) Irrationally argue that this example illustrates the state of the world as a whole, rather than an isolated incident (the logical fallacy known as "proof by example").

3) Enjoy watching people who aren't as current on the topic under discussion, or skeptical of the tactics you're using, agree with your poorly-supported conclusion ("I fear for future generations," as though this teacher is teaching all the future generations of the world, rather than 20 or so kids per year -- or, as though all the teachers of the world are just like her).

4. The above 3 points come under the term

Ostrich parasitic syndrome

The thread was supported by evidence, which you clearly did not read through and there is countless examples of what we are seeing with even people being cancelled. Even if they are on the left, if they are perceived to have wrong think

This is fundamentally coming from Education systems

https://merionwest.com/2020/07/12/dr-james-lindsay-how-critical-studies-led-to-todays-turmoil/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cynical-Theories-Scholarship-Everything-Identity/dp/1634312023


Only those blind clearly do not see

https://twitter.com/SoOppressed/status/1282404647160942598

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Post by Didgee on Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:12 pm

Didgee wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:1) Choose an extreme, outrageous example from the group you side against, in this case the left ("nutpicking").

2) Irrationally argue that this example illustrates the state of the world as a whole, rather than an isolated incident (the logical fallacy known as "proof by example").

3) Enjoy watching people who aren't as current on the topic under discussion, or skeptical of the tactics you're using, agree with your poorly-supported conclusion ("I fear for future generations," as though this teacher is teaching all the future generations of the world, rather than 20 or so kids per year -- or, as though all the teachers of the world are just like her).

4. The above 3 points come under the term

Ostrich parasitic syndrome

The thread was supported by evidence, which you clearly did not read through and there is countless examples of what we are seeing with even people being cancelled. Even if they are on the left, if they are perceived to have wrong think

This is fundamentally coming from Education systems

https://merionwest.com/2020/07/12/dr-james-lindsay-how-critical-studies-led-to-todays-turmoil/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cynical-Theories-Scholarship-Everything-Identity/dp/1634312023


Only those blind clearly do not see

https://twitter.com/SoOppressed/status/1282404647160942598


Maybe Ben will believe Noam Chomsky?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/news/cancel-culture-fightback-harpers-letter-astonished-twitter-mob/


https://quillette.com/2020/07/11/why-i-signed-the-harpers-letter/

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