Say something nice about someone from the "other" party

by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:29 pm

I said we should have a thread like this in an earlier post, so I'll start us off:

As a Democrat, I have a lot of animosity for the Republican Party, so my compliments are all geared toward Republicans:

* Beth Rickley, a Republican operative from Louisiana, was almost solely responsible for exposing the racist views and background of David Duke, a former leader in the KKK who has run for many political offices (including president).

* George W. Bush did a lot of bad things, but he did create protections on the Aleutian Islands from being stripped for oil and gas, and I just genuinely think his heart is in the right place, even if his head isn't always.

* Reagan practically eliminated the phenomenon of acid rain.

I'm sure there are more, but I'll leave it there for now.

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:34 pm

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Say something nice about someone from the "other" party 2190311264

ok...grudgingly.......Corbyn gave the election on a plate to boris......

by inmyopinion Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:36 pm

thanks to keir starmer jimmy saville didn't die in prison.

by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:40 pm

Anybody have anything serious to say?

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:41 pm

thing is its not individuals
I'm philosophically opposed to the current leftist agenda and the influence of "cultural marxism" which infests it.
in all its shapes and forms

it has NOTHING to offer me, offers the threat of taking off me what little (relatively speaking) I have,
has repeatedly, since the blair /brown days shown itself incompetant and weak,
and is increasingly strident, anti democratic (prosecuting opposition MP's etc) out of touch (the voting base is stupid..from MP's AND grass roots members)
etc etc etc..... an ideology out of control and rightly consigned to the nether regions of opposition, Hopefully for a VERY long time....

by inmyopinion Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:43 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:thing is its not individuals
I'm philosophically opposed to the current leftist agenda and the influence of "cultural marxism" which infests it.
in all its shapes and forms

it has NOTHING to offer me, offers the threat of taking off me what little (relatively speaking) I have,
has repeatedly, since the blair /brown days shown itself incompetant and weak,
and is increasingly strident, anti democratic (prosecuting opposition MP's etc) out of touch (the voting base is stupid..from MP's AND grass roots members)
etc etc etc..... an ideology out of control and rightly consigned to the nether regions of opposition, Hopefully for a VERY long time....

very well said. Smile

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:44 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Anybody have anything serious to say?

well Ben what did you expect?

no one "not of the left" will have much to say about the opposition or its members since as I say, for the moment and until Starmer can work his magic that we have been promised the whole party is tainted Say something nice about someone from the "other" party 2190311264

by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:44 pm

So am I to take it that neither of you think that any Labour figure has ever done anything good for the country?

by eddie Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:47 pm

Well I don’t have a “side” thankfully....

So I can safely say, most people from each side are probably pretty decent but often have to toe the line or get greedy, misled or sidetracked from their initial intentions.

Or perhaps I’m a hippy trippy idiot. Say something nice about someone from the "other" party 2190311264

by inmyopinion Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:48 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:So am I to take it that neither of you think that any Labour figure has ever done anything good for the country?

not from where i'm sat. Shocked

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:50 pm

The lefty members on here...even the more rabid ones (you know who they are ) I think genuinely have their hearts in the right place and hell, on some things I even agree with them (indeed I'd go further in some cases vis I'd make the right to shelter or a home a human right) (even though i cant get the concept of a human right ..but thats an entirely philosophical point)
BUT they come with too much excess and interfering baggage.........too many intrusions into MY life too many demands for others rights that cross up my rights and or which they expect ME to pay for....

and these things are of sufficient irritation to turn me against their whole philosophy........

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:50 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:So am I to take it that neither of you think that any Labour figure has ever done anything good for the country?

Not for a VERY VERY long time.....

by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:04 pm

I think it's really sad when people can see no good in those they disagree with. One of the things I liked so much about eddie from the very beginning, when she first joined here, is that she can't make things into some false black-and-white scenario.

by Victorismyhero Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:18 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I think it's really sad when people can see no good in those they disagree with. One of the things I liked so much about eddie from the very beginning, when she first joined here, is that she can't make things into some false black-and-white scenario.

OK so lets start with a concrete example

that day the murders happened on london bridge a murderer (and he WAS a callous murderer) saved several lives at considerable risk to his own.....does that deserve recognition ?
and therefor ...how?

do we suddenly think, "well actually he aint such a bad old stick at that "

or do we wonder if he did it with one eye on potential benefit it might bring him?

by Maddog Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:24 pm

Bernie Sanders wants to legalize pot
Ron Paul wants to legalize pot.

by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:30 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:I think it's really sad when people can see no good in those they disagree with. One of the things I liked so much about eddie from the very beginning, when she first joined here, is that she can't make things into some false black-and-white scenario.

OK so lets start with a concrete example

that day the murders happened on london bridge a murderer (and he WAS a callous murderer) saved several lives at considerable risk to his own.....does that deserve recognition ?
and therefor ...how?

do we suddenly think, "well actually he aint such a bad old stick at that "

or do we wonder if he did it with one eye on potential benefit it might bring him?

I think he should have been knighted, and I don't question the motives of people who do good things that help others.

by eddie Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:33 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I think it's really sad when people can see no good in those they disagree with. One of the things I liked so much about eddie from the very beginning, when she first joined here, is that she can't make things into some false black-and-white scenario.

No I cannot. Sometimes that’s a weakness I guess.

by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:45 pm

Maddog wrote:Bernie Sanders wants to legalize pot
Ron Paul wants to legalize pot.

Pretty sure they're both against "overseas adventures" (aka wars) as well, but I would ask you this -- do they take those positions for the same reason?

by Syl Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:48 pm

I have been a lifelong Labour supporter, pre Corbyn and have never voted Tory in my life, but I think they, led by Boris, have really stepped up to the plate since the coronovirus crisis.

I really cant see how any other party could have handled this better....so hats off to them, and thank goodness Boris is making good recovery.

by Maddog Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:49 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:Bernie Sanders wants to legalize pot
Ron Paul wants to legalize pot.

Pretty sure they're both against "overseas adventures" (aka wars) as well, but I would ask you this -- do they take those positions for the same reason?

Not really.

Ron is like me and has a MYOB philosophy.

Bernie thinks he's saving someone or being virtuous.

But we all get to the same place I guess.

by eddie Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:13 am

Syl wrote:I have been a lifelong Labour supporter, pre Corbyn and have never voted Tory in my life, but I think they, led by Boris, have really stepped up to the plate since the coronovirus crisis.

I really cant see how any other party could have handled this better....so hats off to them, and thank goodness Boris is making good recovery.

Agree with you about Boris.

by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:21 am

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:Bernie Sanders wants to legalize pot
Ron Paul wants to legalize pot.

Pretty sure they're both against "overseas adventures" (aka wars) as well, but I would ask you this -- do they take those positions for the same reason?

Not really.

Ron is like me and has a MYOB philosophy.

Bernie thinks he's saving someone or being virtuous.

But we all get to the same place I guess.

Ron is against government spending, which leads him to the position that he doesn't want to pay for wars or weed policing.

Bernie thinks the government should help people be happy, so don't send them off to die or tell them they can't have a bit of weed.

I know I trust someone like Bernie a lot more than someone like Ron -- because Bernie comes to his views out of idealism, where Ron comes to his views out of being stingy.

by Maddog Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:25 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Not really.

Ron is like me and has a MYOB philosophy.

Bernie thinks he's saving someone or being virtuous.

But we all get to the same place I guess.

Ron is against government spending, which leads him to the position that he doesn't want to pay for wars or weed policing.

Bernie thinks the government should help people be happy, so don't send them off to die or tell them they can't have a bit of weed.

I know I trust someone like Bernie a lot more than someone like Ron -- because Bernie comes to his views out of idealism, where Ron comes to his views out of being stingy.

Part of it's being stingy. Debt is a bad thing for people and governments.

Part of it's the problems caused by drug enforcement and policing the world.

It gets a lot of innocent people killed.

by Maddog Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:26 am

And if Bernie really want's to make me happy, he's got a funny way of showing it.

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:31 am

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Not really.

Ron is like me and has a MYOB philosophy.

Bernie thinks he's saving someone or being virtuous.

But we all get to the same place I guess.

Ron is against government spending, which leads him to the position that he doesn't want to pay for wars or weed policing.

Bernie thinks the government should help people be happy, so don't send them off to die or tell them they can't have a bit of weed.

I know I trust someone like Bernie a lot more than someone like Ron -- because Bernie comes to his views out of idealism, where Ron comes to his views out of being stingy.

Part of it's being stingy. Debt is a bad thing for people and governments.

Part of it's the problems caused by drug enforcement and policing the world.

It gets a lot of innocent people killed.

a bit off topic but still

those who use cocaine and its derivatives (and possibly many others), and yes I talking about the USERS...should be prosecuted with tghe same ferocity and subject to the same penalties as those who download child abuse material.....

the logic behind this being the child abuse that is an inherent part of cocaine production....

by eddie Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:38 am

Vic, seriously? Using cocaine etc should be seen as bad as child porn? What planet are you living on?

How is that even the same thing?? You lost me.

by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:40 am

Maddog wrote:And if Bernie really want's to make me happy, he's got a funny way of showing it.

How so?

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:41 am

why do we prosecute child porn so assidiously (and rightly so ??)

because of the harm it does to the victims who are in those picyures/films...yes?????

go look at the child abuse involved in cocaine production........

by eddie Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:48 am

Victorismyhero wrote:why do we prosecute child porn so assidiously (and rightly so ??)

because of the harm it does to the victims who are in those picyures/films...yes?????

go look at the child abuse involved in cocaine production........

What has that got to do with the occasional users? It’s a stupid leap imo.

by Maddog Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:57 am

eddie wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:why do we prosecute child porn so assidiously (and rightly so ??)

because of the harm it does to the victims who are in those picyures/films...yes?????

go look at the child abuse involved in cocaine production........

What has that got to do with the occasional users? It’s a stupid leap imo.

Cocaine is derived from a plant. It shouldn't be any more abusive to children than production of whiskey, also derived from plants.

by eddie Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:00 am

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:why do we prosecute child porn so assidiously (and rightly so ??)

because of the harm it does to the victims who are in those picyures/films...yes?????

go look at the child abuse involved in cocaine production........

What has that got to do with the occasional users? It’s a stupid leap imo.

Cocaine is derived from a plant. It shouldn't be any more abusive to children than production of whiskey, also derived from plants.

I think Vic has made a big leap, in my opinion. Its like saying people who smoke a lot of weed make for bigger unemployment figures because they’re too lazy to work. It’s just like linking sausages to giraffes.
Or something.

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:03 am

kids are used to harvest the stuff..kids are used to process the stuff often with horrific injuries and deaths, with no medical care and starvation rife...

kids are then used as mules...some of whom die.....

get real and search the facts

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:03 am

its almost as bad as..."every time you snort a line a child dies"

by Maddog Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:06 am

Victorismyhero wrote:kids are used to harvest the stuff..kids are used to process the stuff often with horrific injuries and deaths, with no medical care and starvation rife...

kids are then used as mules...some of whom die.....

get real and search the facts

Why are kids used for the harvesting of this crop, and production of it's final product, and not others?

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:09 am

Maddog wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:kids are used to harvest the stuff..kids are used to process the stuff often with horrific injuries and deaths, with no medical care and starvation rife...

kids are then used as mules...some of whom die.....

get real and search the facts

Why are kids used for the harvesting of this crop, and production of it's final product, and not others?

because the bandits that produce it want zero cost labour and dont give a shit about humanity....... they are child slaves

by eddie Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:11 am

Victorismyhero wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:kids are used to harvest the stuff..kids are used to process the stuff often with horrific injuries and deaths, with no medical care and starvation rife...

kids are then used as mules...some of whom die.....

get real and search the facts

Why are kids used for the harvesting of this crop, and production of it's final product, and not others?

because the bandits that produce it want zero cost labour and dont give a shit about humanity....... they are child slaves

Do they use children to make clothes? Harvest weed? Sugar?

by Victorismyhero Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:14 am

yeah but...generally those kids live like kings compared to what goes on in the cocaine growing game.....

get your in house news hound to do a bit of research....

by Cass Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:26 am

Ok I’ll play.

I admire Margaret Thatcher and Teresa May. Not for their policies per say as much as how much bullshit they put up with from men in Parliament and the political world.

by Cass Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:28 am

As for here, John Kasich. I agreed with some of his policies and think he is a fairly decent human being.

by Maddog Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:27 am

Victorismyhero wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Why are kids used for the harvesting of this crop, and production of it's final product, and not others?

because the bandits that produce it want zero cost labour and dont give a shit about humanity....... they are child slaves

And if it was legal, bandits would be replaced by the same people that grow corn, and we would have the same labor practices.

It's the illegality that causes the problems, not the product. It's just a fucking plant.

by Maddog Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:29 am

Cass wrote:As for here, John Kasich. I agreed with some of his policies and think he is a fairly decent human being.

He is decent.

Never liked many of his policies much.

by Eilzel Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:33 am

I admire the various conservative politicians who put their principles ahead of party politics. The Right is very good at playing the game of politics and toeing the lines (true in both the US and UK), so when some, often to their own their own disadvantage, stand by their principles, I have nothing but admiration.

To name names: Oliver Letwin, Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Mitt Romney and John McCain.

I disagree with all of them on almost everything, but good on them for sticking it to their party's excesses.

by Original Quill Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:52 am

Trump will be prosecuted for his various crimes, and Republicans will return to the fold.

Do I believe that? Fook no!

by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:03 pm

Though he's occasionally made an ass of himself, I don't mind Mike Huckabee in general. I've seen a lot from him and he seems like a true gentleman.

by eddie Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:08 pm

Eilzel wrote:I admire the various conservative politicians who put their principles ahead of party politics. The Right is very good at playing the game of politics and toeing the lines (true in both the US and UK), so when some, often to their own their own disadvantage, stand by their principles, I have nothing but admiration.

To name names: Oliver Letwin, Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Ken Clarke, Mitt Romney and John McCain.

I disagree with all of them on almost everything, but good on them for sticking it to their party's excesses.

And good for you, for playing the thread correctly and not making a soggy sows ear of it.

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