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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:56 pm

the old grey crow has decided to ignore all sense

"Mr Corbyn - who is 70 - said he would not follow advice to self-isolate and would carry on his duties as normal. "


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51920444


The socialist of course.....the equal sharing of misery and now it seems disease....

but could we have expected anything else.....


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Post by Original Quill on Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:08 pm

You don't see a little irony in all this authoritarian regimen due to Covid-19? It's the very pinnacle of strict social managing ... what you say you don't like about socialism.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:33 pm

yeah well quill, we know you would just let things run wild... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:53 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:yeah well quill, we know you would just let things run wild... Rolling Eyes

Avoiding the point, Vic. It's not about me.

It appears when in times of crisis, and when essential services are needed, society turns to socialism to provide dependable protections.

New York Governor Cuomo made this point on national TV just yesterday: the reason we don't nave enough hospital beds, masks and ventilators, etc., is that capitalism only produces what it can sell, and profit off of in the immediate. It doesn't prepare beyond the market, and lord knows Republicans/Tories won't do anything from which they can't take a profit. Inventory is waste.

That's why dependable services must be performed by socialist means. The market has other priorities.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:09 pm

yeah, and I'm sure every socialist country has put aside the means to deal with what is an unprecedented situation....."just in case"

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:21 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:yeah, and I'm sure every socialist country has put aside the means to deal with what is an unprecedented situation....."just in case"

To the extent that it is anticipated. That's why the Department of Health exists, even though it doesn't make a profit. It's solely of the people, by the people, for the people, and paid for by the people.

You see, now, how Tories and Republicans are cutting into our longevity. Just as they don't provide for the future, they don't set aside for contingencies of an unexpected nature. It doesn't follow the rule of profit. They don't like regulations that cut into profit, as they are...well, unprofitable.

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Post by eddie on Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:40 pm

Corbyn the coronacunt.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:50 am

Victorismyhero wrote:yeah well quill, we know you would just let things run wild... Rolling Eyes

Cool

Like all of those school kids and uni' students will be doing in coming weeks -- roaming the streets, taunting the military patrols, looting and pillaging..

When they can drag themselves away from their video games, that is..

Welcome to BJ's stalinist post-Brexit paradise.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:57 am

Victorismyhero wrote:yeah, and I'm sure every socialist country has put aside the means to deal with what is an unprecedented situation....."just in case"

Razz

Yet Amerikuh is the country that sacks all of their experts, close down emergency response servicess, cuts funding to the CDC, healthcare units, the EPA; and lets miners and woodpulp companies into national parks..

While putting big business in control, and unqualified corporate donors become heads of the various secretariats..

While other countries were already ramping up their responses,  both Trump and his Britexistan chum BJ were looking to political numbers and potential profits, and bugger their countries at large.

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Post by nicko on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:24 am

Absolute bullshit Wolfie !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:24 pm

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Victorismyhero wrote:yeah well quill, we know you would just let things run wild... Rolling Eyes

Cool

Like all of those school kids and uni' students will be doing in coming weeks -- roaming the streets, taunting the military patrols, looting and pillaging..

When they can drag themselves away from their video games, that is..

Welcome to BJ's stalinist post-Brexit paradise.


Nice to know what fleakeeper thinks of the young people of Great Britain...!



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Post by Victorismyhero on Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:36 pm

you dont half talk shite wolfie....

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Post by nicko on Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:42 pm

I'll second that !
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:58 pm

nicko wrote:Absolute bullshit Wolfie !

Yet, you and tommy have no answer for the woeful performance of Tories and Republicans during this crisis.  How'd you like to go into the field of battle with those nitwits?  When life is on the line, conservatives are useless.

It's in the conservative philosophy to be unprepared.  They live for profit.  There's no profit in preparedness.  Make it...ship it...bank the profits.  There's no incentive to store and warehouse things. Hence, there's no profit in preparedness.

More than that, it's counter-profitable to include buffers and safety measures/devices.  Efficiency of production--regardless of loss in safety and provision--brings the capitalist closer to his goal of profit.

The world is being handed a real lesson in the failings of capitalism.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:36 pm

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nicko wrote:Absolute bullshit Wolfie !

Yet, you and tommy have no answer for the woeful performance of Tories and Republicans during this crisis.  How'd you like to go into the field of battle with those nitwits?  When life is on the line, conservatives are useless.

It's in the conservative philosophy to be unprepared.  They live for profit.  There's no profit in preparedness.  Make it...ship it...bank the profits.  There's no incentive to store and warehouse things. Hence, there's no profit in preparedness.

More than that, it's counter-profitable to include buffers and safety measures/devices.  Efficiency of production--regardless of loss in safety and provision--brings the capitalist closer to his goal of profit.

The world is being handed a real lesson in the failings of capitalism.


You talk shit!



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Post by Victorismyhero on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:35 pm

you obviously dont follow the news here with any understanding quill....

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Post by nicko on Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:10 pm

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:54 pm

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nicko wrote:Absolute bullshit Wolfie !

Yet, you and tommy have no answer for the woeful performance of Tories and Republicans during this crisis.  How'd you like to go into the field of battle with those nitwits?  When life is on the line, conservatives are useless.

It's in the conservative philosophy to be unprepared.  They live for profit.  There's no profit in preparedness.  Make it...ship it...bank the profits.  There's no incentive to store and warehouse things.  Hence, there's no profit in preparedness.

More than that, it's counter-profitable to include buffers and safety measures/devices.  Efficiency of production--regardless of loss in safety and provision--brings the capitalist closer to his goal of profit.

The world is being handed a real lesson in the failings of capitalism.


You talk shit!



He's talking sense. Profiteers are profiteers -- they look to profit from everything, and the reason they change their ways and try to take care of the vulnerable is more about bad press than having a conscience.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:59 pm




Partisan waffle...





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Post by eddie on Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:21 pm

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Partisan waffle...


That sounds like a dessert that one might have with cream.


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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:45 pm

Laughing

With those two spineless maggots nicko and Tommy it's become a game of "shoot the messenger" this week.

For the past fortnight now, it's been Tommy, vintage and nicko who have been the fearmongering ratbags looking to the end of the world..

Now, with me, Quill, eilzel and Ben being the ones the ones to simply be pointing out the realities of those two hopeless nongs Trump and BJ being late to the party this week, Tommy and nicko now see some new potential scapegoats to target.

When they're too proud and cowardly to admit they voted in a mob of ratbags, those ironed-on Tories (and their Repug' equivalents..) look to attacking someone else to blame..

IF Brexistan and the Disunited States of Armerikar vote their incompetent guvm'nts back in after this, they will only have themselves to blame for the consequences.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:53 pm

eddie wrote:
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Partisan waffle...


That sounds like a dessert that one might have with cream.


It's not that at all Eddie... It's really just a bull shit hash that is cooked up by leading labour waffle makers... Then fed to all their bottom feeders... Tasty morsels if you love being fed shit...


Have you heard of a film called 'the human centipede'...?





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Post by 'Wolfie on Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:53 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:you dont half talk shite wolfie....

Razz

All I did was comment on what both your guvm'nt and the Amerikan clown show is doing this week, and you, nicko and Tommy see fit to attack me...

Yet there has been a single lie in what I've written here..

On the contrary, I've actually been playing things down if anything -- I actually forgot to mention that BJ has ordered pfegnant women and disabled/infirm to be locked in, as well.

While you lot are seemingly welcoming your new stalinist conditions.. And stop stealing away all that dunny paper !!!

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Post by JulesV on Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:10 pm

Victorismyhero wrote:the old grey crow has decided to ignore all sense

"Mr Corbyn - who is 70 - said he would not follow advice to self-isolate and would carry on his duties as normal. "


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51920444


The socialist of course.....the equal sharing of misery and now it seems disease....

but could we have expected anything else.....

Yes he should set a good example and follow instructions.
However I have a feeling he knows deep down that as a fit, slim, active healthy 70 yo, he has better lungs and far better general health than, say, a 50 yo lifelong smoker. Or a 50 yo with diabetes.  Etc ….. Hence his rebellious attitude.

It's actually quite brutal and arbitrary for the govt to use age alone as the only deciding factor here  - and take nothing else into account, but I guess the gov't has to keep instructions as simple as poss, so that the masses can easily understand what they're being told.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:20 pm

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Victorismyhero wrote:you dont half talk shite wolfie....

Razz

All I did was comment on what both your guvm'nt and the Amerikan clown show is doing this week, and you, nicko and Tommy see fit to attack me...

Yet there has been a single lie in what I've written here..

On the contrary, I've actually been playing things down if anything -- I actually forgot to mention that BJ has ordered pfegnant women and disabled/infirm to be locked in, as well.

While you lot are seemingly welcoming your new stalinist conditions.. And stop stealing away all that dunny paper !!!



You don't sound like a 'wolfie'... You sound more like the 'sassquatch'...!


lol!



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Post by JulesV on Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:47 pm

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Victorismyhero wrote:yeah well quill, we know you would just let things run wild... Rolling Eyes

Avoiding the point, Vic.  It's not about me.

It appears when in times of crisis, and when essential services are needed, society turns to socialism to provide dependable protections.

New York Governor Cuomo made this point on national TV just yesterday:  the reason we don't nave enough hospital beds, masks and ventilators, etc., is that capitalism only produces what it can sell, and profit off of in the immediate.  It doesn't prepare beyond the market, and lord knows Republicans/Tories won't do anything from which they can't take a profit.  Inventory is waste.

That's why dependable services must be performed by socialist means.  The market has other priorities.

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Brilliant point and I have often see you say this, and indeed it's being demonstrated right in front of our eyes.

It's all very well that conservative politicians, when campaigning for votes, drone on and on about the merits of  private enterprise,  individualism, blah blah, ...….... but when push comes to shove and there is an unprecedented national crisis they suddenly fall back on good old fashioned socialism to keep the wheels of society moving.

A conservative education minister was praising teachers, social workers and NHS workers to the hilt today and acknowledging the pivotal role they're playing in this crisis, and pleading with them to do continue to do their bit to help.

When the economy is booming socialism is rubbished and all the wealth is channelled into the hands of the few, not the many.  But when times are hard and the economy is on the verge of collapse, suddenly socialism seems the solution after all and a cry goes out to the socialist professionals to help.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:49 pm

'Wolfie wrote:
Victorismyhero wrote:you dont half talk shite wolfie....

Razz

All I did was comment on what both your guvm'nt and the Amerikan clown show is doing this week,  and you, nicko and Tommy see fit to attack me...

Yet there has been a single lie in what I've written here..

On the contrary, I've actually been playing things down if anything --  I actually forgot to mention that BJ has ordered pfegnant women and disabled/infirm to be locked in, as well.

While you lot are seemingly welcoming your new stalinist conditions..     And stop stealing away all that dunny paper !!!

wrong you blithering idiot....

and YOUR lot started the bog paper rush....

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Post by JulesV on Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:57 pm

Teachers, social workers and nhs grassroots workers are traditionally looked down upon as a bunch of lefties / socialists /commies ....... so it was satisfying to see that minister almost tearfully begging them to continue to do their bit to keep the country going. It took a tiny virus to humble him into acknowledging the important role that these professions play.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:08 pm

Victor wrote:and YOUR lot started the bog paper rush....

Over here, it was dumb fookin' southerners...the backbone of the Republican cult. As John Stuart Mill said, I never said conservatives are all stupid people; what I said was, stupid people are all conservatives.

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