Why did Trump ask Putin for instructions on dealing with North Korea?

by Ben Reilly Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:50 am

We can't know why, now, because Trump deemed the transcript of that phone call "highly classified."

by nicko Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:15 am

He asked Putin if it was ok to nuke the fat fuck, what else would he ask him ?

by Fred Moletrousers Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:20 am

I obviously don't know anything about either the commentator or the TV station, but it does appear to me to be simply a monologue comprising a massive amount of pretty one-sided hearsay and speculation. Long on allegations and accusations; desperately short on substance, in fact.

I'm not saying that any of it is untrue; I'm simply saying that I would be very, very circumspect in trying to reach a conclusion.

by Ben Reilly Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:54 pm

I know you Brits are used to your PMs taking their marching orders from our presidents, but we Americans don't like our presidents taking our marching orders from foreign leaders.

In fact, Trump implicitly promised that we were going to stop caring what the rest of the world thinks with him in office.

The American people have the right to know what he's doing on our behalf. We pay his salary and he serves us at our pleasure.

by Victorismyhero Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:46 pm

did he get instructions, or more sensibly, ask another major world leader their opinion and seek advice, in what is a volatile matter?

by Maddog Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:41 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:I obviously don't know anything about either the commentator or the TV station, but it does appear to me to be simply a monologue comprising a massive amount of pretty one-sided hearsay and speculation. Long on allegations and accusations; desperately short on substance, in fact.

I'm not saying that any of it is untrue; I'm simply saying that I would be very, very circumspect in trying to reach a conclusion.

She's like Sean Hannity, but on the left. Neither she (nor he) are journalists.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:06 am

Maddog wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:I obviously don't know anything about either the commentator or the TV station, but it does appear to me to be simply a monologue comprising a massive amount of pretty one-sided hearsay and speculation. Long on allegations and accusations; desperately short on substance, in fact.

I'm not saying that any of it is untrue; I'm simply saying that I would be very, very circumspect in trying to reach a conclusion.

She's like Sean Hannity, but on the left. Neither she (nor he) are journalists.

Not exactly -- I've watched enough of both of them to know that he's not above flat-out making shit up. She doesn't do that, though she is very opinionated.

by Maddog Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:22 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

She's like Sean Hannity, but on the left. Neither she (nor he) are journalists.

Not exactly -- I've watched enough of both of them to know that he's not above flat-out making shit up. She doesn't do that, though she is very opinionated.

In my opinion they are both full of shit.

But you are far more partisan on this issue than me, so I can see how your bias would keep you from seeing it.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:23 am

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

She's like Sean Hannity, but on the left. Neither she (nor he) are journalists.

Not exactly -- I've watched enough of both of them to know that he's not above flat-out making shit up. She doesn't do that, though she is very opinionated.

In my opinion they are both full of shit.

But you are far more partisan on this issue than me, so I can see how your bias would keep you from seeing it.

Not bias, just that I see her citing a lot more journalism on her show than he does on his.

by Maddog Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:25 am

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/rachel-maddow/statements/by/

She gets shit wrong all the time. I won't say she is making it up. Use the term of your choice.

by Ben Reilly Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:26 am

Maddog wrote:https://www.politifact.com/personalities/rachel-maddow/statements/by/

She gets shit wrong all the time. I won't say she is making it up. Use the term of your choice.

Okay, but in this case she's just quoting the Washington Post, so if what she said is wrong, it's because they got it wrong, no?

by Maddog Tue Dec 17, 2019 12:29 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:https://www.politifact.com/personalities/rachel-maddow/statements/by/

She gets shit wrong all the time. I won't say she is making it up. Use the term of your choice.

Okay, but in this case she's just quoting the Washington Post, so if what she said is wrong, it's because they got it wrong, no?

She takes a story and makes it more appealing to her audience. Same as Hannity.

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