Amber Guyger convicted

by Original Quill Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:05 pm

Associated Press wrote:Jury convicts ex-police officer who fatally shot neighbor

JAKE BLEIBERG, Associated Press
October 1, 2019

DALLAS (AP) — A white former Dallas police officer who said she fatally shot her unarmed, black neighbor after mistaking his apartment for her own was found guilty of murder on Tuesday.

A jury reached the verdict in Amber Guyger's high-profile trial for the killing of Botham Jean after six days of witness testimony but just a handful of hours of deliberation.

Cheers erupted in the courthouse as the verdict was announced, and someone yelled "Thank you, Jesus!" In the hallway outside the courtroom where Guyger was tried, a crowd celebrated and said "black lives matter" in raised voices. When the prosecutors walked into the hall, they broke into cheers.

Guyger sat alone, weeping, at the defense table.

In Texas, the sentence for murder is from five to 99 years in prison. The jury is expected to return Tuesday afternoon to hear additional testimony before setting Guyger's punishment within that range.

Family members are expected to testify about how they were affected by Jean's killing, and Guyger's defense attorneys can argue that she deserves a light sentence because she acted out of sudden fear and confusion. The judge is expected to provide guidance on sentencing law. It is unclear how long the punishment phase of the trial will last.

The basic facts of the unusual shooting were not in dispute throughout the trial. In September 2018, Guyger walked up to Jean's apartment — which was on the fourth floor, directly above hers on the third — and found the door unlocked. She was off duty but still dressed in her police uniform after a long shift when she shot Jean with her service weapon. The 26-year-old accountant had been eating a bowl of ice cream before Guyger entered his home.

Jean, who grew up in the Caribbean island nation of St. Lucia, came to the U.S. for college before starting his career as an accountant. His shooting drew widespread attention because of the strange circumstances and because it was one in a string of shootings of unarmed black men by white police officers.

"A 26-year-old college-educated black man, certified public accountant, working for one of the big three accounting firms in the world ... it shouldn't take all of that for unarmed black and brown people in America to get justice," Benjamin Crump, one of the lawyer's for Jean's family, said at a news conference.

Crump said the verdict honors other people of color who were killed by police officers who were not convicted of a crime.

Attorney Lee Merritt, who also represents the family, underlined Crump's words.

"This is a huge victory, not only for the family of Botham Jean, but this is a victory for black people in America. It's a signal that the tide is going to change here. Police officers are going to be held accountable for their actions, and we believe that will begin to change policing culture around the world," Merritt said.

The jury that convicted Guyger was largely made up of women and people of color.

The verdict also diffused tensions that began simmering Monday when jurors were told they could consider whether Guyger had a right to use deadly force under a Texas law known as the castle doctrine — even though she wasn't in her own home.

The law is similar to "stand your ground" measures across the U.S. that states a person has no duty to retreat from an intruder. Prosecutor Jason Fine told jurors that while the law would have empowered Jean to shoot someone barging into his apartment, it doesn't apply "the other way around."

Guyger was arrested three days after the killing. She was later fired and charged with murder , but only spoke publicly about the shooting upon taking the witness stand last Friday. Tension has been high during the trial in Dallas, the same city where an attack three years ago killed five police officers.

The 31-year-old tearfully apologized for killing Jean and told the jurors she feared for her life upon finding the door to what she thought was her apartment unlocked. Guyger said that Jean came toward her at a fast walk when she entered with her gun out, but prosecutors have suggested he was just rising from a couch toward the back of the room when the officer shot him.

In a frantic 911 call played repeatedly during the trial, Guyger said "I thought it was my apartment" nearly 20 times. Her lawyers argued that the identical physical appearance of the apartment complex from floor to floor frequently led to tenants to the wrong apartments.

Prosecutors, however, questioned how Guyger could have missed numerous signs that she was in the wrong place, and suggested she was distracted by sexually explicit phone messages with her police partner.

They also asked why Guyger didn't radio in for help when she thought there was a break-in at her home. Guyger said that going through the doorway with her pistol drawn, "was the only option that went through my head."

___

Associated Press writer Jill Bleed in Little Rock, Arkansas, contributed this this report.

Ben, couldn't find the old thread on this murder. Either your search doesn't work or it has been removed. Anyway, if you can find it, feel free to join this thread with it.

I still believe this was a hit, and Amber Guyger was a hitman for, if not the mafia, some syndicate willing to engage in such things. No one forgets their way home. No one walks into another person's home and doesn't recognize that it isn't their own. The furniture, pictures, even the smell is different. Finally, no one shoots an unarmed person without provocation...lord knows, especially a police officer who has undergone extensive training.

She was either high on Meth, or it was capital murder.

She's lucky it is only manslaughter. She will be out in a year or two, if the judge doesn't grant her leniency as a police officer. But, trust me, it was a hit. The victim was a CPA, looking into various financial matters...always a risky matter. Could be that he stumbled onto something.

But because the victim was black, and Amber is white, and this is the south...well, you know the rest.

by Maddog Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:09 pm

Why would this victim be a target of a hit?

Are you saying he was involved in organized crime?

by Original Quill Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:18 pm

Maddog wrote:Why would this victim be a target of a hit?

Are you saying he was involved in organized crime?

I've already explained that. He was a certified public accountant, and they do audits. Audits are a way in which a CPA can stumble on massive fraud or embezzlement. CPA's are the nemesis of criminals.

Most these things do happen within organized crime, tho it could be a single wrongdoer. I don't know that the mafia is active in Texas, but they are among the suspects. However, I envision some building contractor or some group of heavy investors into something shady, were more likely involved. We had a lot of those in Arizona.

by Maddog Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Associated Press wrote:Jury convicts ex-police officer who fatally shot neighbor

JAKE BLEIBERG, Associated Press
October 1, 2019

DALLAS (AP) — A white former Dallas police officer who said she fatally shot her unarmed, black neighbor after mistaking his apartment for her own was found guilty of murder on Tuesday.

A jury reached the verdict in Amber Guyger's high-profile trial for the killing of Botham Jean after six days of witness testimony but just a handful of hours of deliberation.

Cheers erupted in the courthouse as the verdict was announced, and someone yelled "Thank you, Jesus!" In the hallway outside the courtroom where Guyger was tried, a crowd celebrated and said "black lives matter" in raised voices. When the prosecutors walked into the hall, they broke into cheers.

Guyger sat alone, weeping, at the defense table.

In Texas, the sentence for murder is from five to 99 years in prison. The jury is expected to return Tuesday afternoon to hear additional testimony before setting Guyger's punishment within that range.

Family members are expected to testify about how they were affected by Jean's killing, and Guyger's defense attorneys can argue that she deserves a light sentence because she acted out of sudden fear and confusion. The judge is expected to provide guidance on sentencing law. It is unclear how long the punishment phase of the trial will last.

The basic facts of the unusual shooting were not in dispute throughout the trial. In September 2018, Guyger walked up to Jean's apartment — which was on the fourth floor, directly above hers on the third — and found the door unlocked. She was off duty but still dressed in her police uniform after a long shift when she shot Jean with her service weapon. The 26-year-old accountant had been eating a bowl of ice cream before Guyger entered his home.

Jean, who grew up in the Caribbean island nation of St. Lucia, came to the U.S. for college before starting his career as an accountant. His shooting drew widespread attention because of the strange circumstances and because it was one in a string of shootings of unarmed black men by white police officers.

"A 26-year-old college-educated black man, certified public accountant, working for one of the big three accounting firms in the world ... it shouldn't take all of that for unarmed black and brown people in America to get justice," Benjamin Crump, one of the lawyer's for Jean's family, said at a news conference.

Crump said the verdict honors other people of color who were killed by police officers who were not convicted of a crime.

Attorney Lee Merritt, who also represents the family, underlined Crump's words.

"This is a huge victory, not only for the family of Botham Jean, but this is a victory for black people in America. It's a signal that the tide is going to change here. Police officers are going to be held accountable for their actions, and we believe that will begin to change policing culture around the world," Merritt said.

The jury that convicted Guyger was largely made up of women and people of color.

The verdict also diffused tensions that began simmering Monday when jurors were told they could consider whether Guyger had a right to use deadly force under a Texas law known as the castle doctrine — even though she wasn't in her own home.

The law is similar to "stand your ground" measures across the U.S. that states a person has no duty to retreat from an intruder. Prosecutor Jason Fine told jurors that while the law would have empowered Jean to shoot someone barging into his apartment, it doesn't apply "the other way around."

Guyger was arrested three days after the killing. She was later fired and charged with murder , but only spoke publicly about the shooting upon taking the witness stand last Friday. Tension has been high during the trial in Dallas, the same city where an attack three years ago killed five police officers.

The 31-year-old tearfully apologized for killing Jean and told the jurors she feared for her life upon finding the door to what she thought was her apartment unlocked. Guyger said that Jean came toward her at a fast walk when she entered with her gun out, but prosecutors have suggested he was just rising from a couch toward the back of the room when the officer shot him.

In a frantic 911 call played repeatedly during the trial, Guyger said "I thought it was my apartment" nearly 20 times. Her lawyers argued that the identical physical appearance of the apartment complex from floor to floor frequently led to tenants to the wrong apartments.

Prosecutors, however, questioned how Guyger could have missed numerous signs that she was in the wrong place, and suggested she was distracted by sexually explicit phone messages with her police partner.

They also asked why Guyger didn't radio in for help when she thought there was a break-in at her home. Guyger said that going through the doorway with her pistol drawn, "was the only option that went through my head."

___

Associated Press writer Jill Bleed in Little Rock, Arkansas, contributed this this report.

Ben, couldn't find the old thread on this murder. Either your search doesn't work or it has been removed. Anyway, if you can find it, feel free to join this thread with it.

I still believe this was a hit, and Amber Guyger was a hitman for, if not the mafia, some syndicate willing to engage in such things. No one forgets their way home. No one walks into another person's home and doesn't recognize that it isn't their own. The furniture, pictures, even the smell is different. Finally, no one shoots an unarmed person without provocation...lord knows, especially a police officer who has undergone extensive training.

She was either high on Meth, or it was capital murder.

She's lucky it is only manslaughter. She will be out in a year or two, if the judge doesn't grant her leniency as a police officer. But, trust me, it was a hit. The victim was a CPA, looking into various financial matters...always a risky matter. Could be that he stumbled onto something.

But because the victim was black, and Amber is white, and this is the south...well, you know the rest.

Go back and read your own post, dumbass.

by Maddog Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:20 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:Why would this victim be a target of a hit?

Are you saying he was involved in organized crime?

I've already explained that. He was a certified public accountant, and they do audits. Audits are a way in which a CPA can stumble on massive fraud or embezzlement. CPA's are the nemesis of criminals.

Most these things do happen within organized crime, tho it could be a single wrongdoer. I don't know that the mafia is active in Texas, but they are among the suspects. However, I envision some building contractor or some group of heavy investors into something shady, were more likely involved. We had a lot of those in Arizona.

Maybe Amber was working for Putin? Rolling Eyes

by Original Quill Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:23 pm

She is lucky they didn't charge her with capital murder. Had she been so charged, the investigation would have been wider.

Now go lick your wounds, cunus mouth!

by Maddog Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:44 pm

Original Quill wrote:She is lucky they didn't charge her with capital murder. Had she been so charged, the investigation would have been wider.

Now go lick your wounds, cunus mouth!

Quill wrote:She's lucky it is only manslaughter

Quill was full of shit.

by Original Quill Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:04 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:She is lucky they didn't charge her with capital murder. Had she been so charged, the investigation would have been wider.

Now go lick your wounds, cunus mouth!

Quill wrote:She's lucky it is only manslaughter

Quill was full of shit.

Says mr. junior college. Razz

by Maddog Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:33 pm

A high school dropout knows that manslaughter and murder are two different crimes.

What's your excuse professor?

by Original Quill Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:10 pm

Maddog wrote:A high school dropout knows that manslaughter and murder are two different crimes.

What's your excuse professor?

Exactly what conversation are you having? And with whom? I just said that manslaughter and murder are two different crimes. No wonder you couldn’t get past junior college!

Amber Guyger should have been charged with capital murder. The primary distinction between murder and manslaughter is that murder has a specific intent to kill. The act of murder is done with malice, while a death from manslaughter is charged when the malicious action cannot be established. Hence:

Legal Dictionary wrote:What is Capital Murder
Murder is the unlawful killing of another person without justification, and is considered to be the most serious crime a person can commit. A person committing murder may be sentenced to the harshest of penalties, including spending the rest of his life in prison. Murdering someone with special circumstances, which is charged as capital murder in many states, is seen as a most heinous crime, even when considering other murders. Because of this, the perpetrator may be sentenced to death in many states.

From a practical standpoint, to charge the higher crime (murder) is to widen the scope of the investigation. Conversely, if you only charge the lesser crime (manslaughter), you are only looking for evidence of a limited nature.

To charge the terrible circumstances of this particular crime as manslaughter leaves several unanswered questions. What was Amber Guyger doing in another person's dwelling? What facts? How is it possible, if it was an honest mistake, she didn't realize it immediately, as it bore no resemblance to her own place? What facts? Why, when she realized she was in the wrong place, didn't she turn around and walk away? What facts? Why, when she was presented with an unarmed man, did she shoot and kill him? What facts?

All of these questions went unanswered when they charged her with only manslaughter rather than full murder. All of the facts went unexamined. The Texas Rangers gave a fellow cop the biggest break when they simply dismissed out-of-hand the possibility of malicious murder.

These are the most crucial questions that would have brought to light the plot to murder. Moreover, they probably hid a dozen or so other crimes. The cause to murder was probably to cover up a greater crime, or a pattern of crimes...which we call the racketeering, as in RICO.

Amber Guyger was a hitman, and the unraveling of 'why' probably involves the Dallas Police, and quite possibly the Texas Rangers, who took over the case. After all, why did they protect her by charging a lesser crime? What facts?

by Maddog Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:A high school dropout knows that manslaughter and murder are two different crimes.

What's your excuse professor?

Exactly what conversation are you having? And with whom? I just said that manslaughter and murder are two different crimes. No wonder you couldn’t get past junior college!

Amber Guyger should have been charged with capital murder. The primary distinction between murder and manslaughter is that murder has a specific intent to kill. The act of murder is done with malice, while a death from manslaughter is charged when the malicious action cannot be established. Hence:

Legal Dictionary wrote:What is Capital Murder
Murder is the unlawful killing of another person without justification, and is considered to be the most serious crime a person can commit. A person committing murder may be sentenced to the harshest of penalties, including spending the rest of his life in prison. Murdering someone with special circumstances, which is charged as capital murder in many states, is seen as a most heinous crime, even when considering other murders. Because of this, the perpetrator may be sentenced to death in many states.

From a practical standpoint, to charge the higher crime (murder) is to widen the scope of the investigation. Conversely, if you only charge the lesser crime (manslaughter), you are only looking for evidence of a limited nature.

To charge the terrible circumstances of this particular crime as manslaughter leaves several unanswered questions. What was Amber Guyger doing in another person's dwelling? What facts? How is it possible, if it was an honest mistake, she didn't realize it immediately, as it bore no resemblance to her own place? What facts? Why, when she realized she was in the wrong place, didn't she turn around and walk away? What facts? Why, when she was presented with an unarmed man, did she shoot and kill him? What facts?

All of these questions went unanswered when they charged her with only manslaughter rather than full murder. All of the facts went unexamined. The Texas Rangers gave a fellow cop the biggest break when they simply dismissed out-of-hand the possibility of malicious murder.

These are the most crucial questions that would have brought to light the plot to murder. Moreover, they probably hid a dozen or so other crimes. The cause to murder was probably to cover up a greater crime, or a pattern of crimes...which we call the racketeering, as in RICO.

Amber Guyger was a hitman, and the unraveling of 'why' probably involves the Dallas Police, and quite possibly the Texas Rangers, who took over the case. After all, why did they protect her by charging a lesser crime? What facts?

Quill wrote:She's lucky it is only manslaughter.

It was murder.

by eddie Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:54 pm

It does say in the article it was murder? I’m confused. scratch

by Ben Reilly Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:59 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Associated Press wrote:Jury convicts ex-police officer who fatally shot neighbor

JAKE BLEIBERG, Associated Press
October 1, 2019

DALLAS (AP) — A white former Dallas police officer who said she fatally shot her unarmed, black neighbor after mistaking his apartment for her own was found guilty of murder on Tuesday.

A jury reached the verdict in Amber Guyger's high-profile trial for the killing of Botham Jean after six days of witness testimony but just a handful of hours of deliberation.

Cheers erupted in the courthouse as the verdict was announced, and someone yelled "Thank you, Jesus!" In the hallway outside the courtroom where Guyger was tried, a crowd celebrated and said "black lives matter" in raised voices. When the prosecutors walked into the hall, they broke into cheers.

Guyger sat alone, weeping, at the defense table.

In Texas, the sentence for murder is from five to 99 years in prison. The jury is expected to return Tuesday afternoon to hear additional testimony before setting Guyger's punishment within that range.

Family members are expected to testify about how they were affected by Jean's killing, and Guyger's defense attorneys can argue that she deserves a light sentence because she acted out of sudden fear and confusion. The judge is expected to provide guidance on sentencing law. It is unclear how long the punishment phase of the trial will last.

The basic facts of the unusual shooting were not in dispute throughout the trial. In September 2018, Guyger walked up to Jean's apartment — which was on the fourth floor, directly above hers on the third — and found the door unlocked. She was off duty but still dressed in her police uniform after a long shift when she shot Jean with her service weapon. The 26-year-old accountant had been eating a bowl of ice cream before Guyger entered his home.

Jean, who grew up in the Caribbean island nation of St. Lucia, came to the U.S. for college before starting his career as an accountant. His shooting drew widespread attention because of the strange circumstances and because it was one in a string of shootings of unarmed black men by white police officers.

"A 26-year-old college-educated black man, certified public accountant, working for one of the big three accounting firms in the world ... it shouldn't take all of that for unarmed black and brown people in America to get justice," Benjamin Crump, one of the lawyer's for Jean's family, said at a news conference.

Crump said the verdict honors other people of color who were killed by police officers who were not convicted of a crime.

Attorney Lee Merritt, who also represents the family, underlined Crump's words.

"This is a huge victory, not only for the family of Botham Jean, but this is a victory for black people in America. It's a signal that the tide is going to change here. Police officers are going to be held accountable for their actions, and we believe that will begin to change policing culture around the world," Merritt said.

The jury that convicted Guyger was largely made up of women and people of color.

The verdict also diffused tensions that began simmering Monday when jurors were told they could consider whether Guyger had a right to use deadly force under a Texas law known as the castle doctrine — even though she wasn't in her own home.

The law is similar to "stand your ground" measures across the U.S. that states a person has no duty to retreat from an intruder. Prosecutor Jason Fine told jurors that while the law would have empowered Jean to shoot someone barging into his apartment, it doesn't apply "the other way around."

Guyger was arrested three days after the killing. She was later fired and charged with murder , but only spoke publicly about the shooting upon taking the witness stand last Friday. Tension has been high during the trial in Dallas, the same city where an attack three years ago killed five police officers.

The 31-year-old tearfully apologized for killing Jean and told the jurors she feared for her life upon finding the door to what she thought was her apartment unlocked. Guyger said that Jean came toward her at a fast walk when she entered with her gun out, but prosecutors have suggested he was just rising from a couch toward the back of the room when the officer shot him.

In a frantic 911 call played repeatedly during the trial, Guyger said "I thought it was my apartment" nearly 20 times. Her lawyers argued that the identical physical appearance of the apartment complex from floor to floor frequently led to tenants to the wrong apartments.

Prosecutors, however, questioned how Guyger could have missed numerous signs that she was in the wrong place, and suggested she was distracted by sexually explicit phone messages with her police partner.

They also asked why Guyger didn't radio in for help when she thought there was a break-in at her home. Guyger said that going through the doorway with her pistol drawn, "was the only option that went through my head."

___

Associated Press writer Jill Bleed in Little Rock, Arkansas, contributed this this report.

Ben, couldn't find the old thread on this murder. Either your search doesn't work or it has been removed. Anyway, if you can find it, feel free to join this thread with it.

I still believe this was a hit, and Amber Guyger was a hitman for, if not the mafia, some syndicate willing to engage in such things. No one forgets their way home. No one walks into another person's home and doesn't recognize that it isn't their own. The furniture, pictures, even the smell is different. Finally, no one shoots an unarmed person without provocation...lord knows, especially a police officer who has undergone extensive training.

She was either high on Meth, or it was capital murder.

She's lucky it is only manslaughter. She will be out in a year or two, if the judge doesn't grant her leniency as a police officer. But, trust me, it was a hit. The victim was a CPA, looking into various financial matters...always a risky matter. Could be that he stumbled onto something.

But because the victim was black, and Amber is white, and this is the south...well, you know the rest.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25087-texas-cop-goes-home-to-wrong-address-shoots-occupant

Interestingly, eddie speculated that it was a paid hit over a year ago Shocked

by Maddog Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:09 pm

eddie wrote:It does say in the article it was murder? I’m confused.

Because it was murder.

Quill doesn't read, he just types. He's far too important to be bogged down with details.

by Maddog Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:13 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Ben, couldn't find the old thread on this murder. Either your search doesn't work or it has been removed. Anyway, if you can find it, feel free to join this thread with it.

I still believe this was a hit, and Amber Guyger was a hitman for, if not the mafia, some syndicate willing to engage in such things. No one forgets their way home. No one walks into another person's home and doesn't recognize that it isn't their own. The furniture, pictures, even the smell is different. Finally, no one shoots an unarmed person without provocation...lord knows, especially a police officer who has undergone extensive training.

She was either high on Meth, or it was capital murder.

She's lucky it is only manslaughter. She will be out in a year or two, if the judge doesn't grant her leniency as a police officer. But, trust me, it was a hit. The victim was a CPA, looking into various financial matters...always a risky matter. Could be that he stumbled onto something.

But because the victim was black, and Amber is white, and this is the south...well, you know the rest.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25087-texas-cop-goes-home-to-wrong-address-shoots-occupant

Interestingly, eddie speculated that it was a paid hit over a year ago

Someone should tell Shuan King. He's had about 63 Facebook posts about this story, and none of them mentioned this theory.

by Ben Reilly Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:17 pm

I don't think Guyger was a murderer for hire -- if there was any hint of that, Jean's talented, aggressive lawyers would have brought that up in trial. After all, it wouldn't have been too hard to find out what Jean was working on before he was killed.

I would favor a lighter sentence for Guyger, who I think really just had a bad day and showed extraordinarily poor judgement which, unfortunately, can easily get someone killed when guns are involved.

It's like when two guys at a bar get into a drunken fight. If one of them is armed, it's so much more likely to turn deadly.

by Ben Reilly Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:20 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Ben, couldn't find the old thread on this murder. Either your search doesn't work or it has been removed. Anyway, if you can find it, feel free to join this thread with it.

I still believe this was a hit, and Amber Guyger was a hitman for, if not the mafia, some syndicate willing to engage in such things. No one forgets their way home. No one walks into another person's home and doesn't recognize that it isn't their own. The furniture, pictures, even the smell is different. Finally, no one shoots an unarmed person without provocation...lord knows, especially a police officer who has undergone extensive training.

She was either high on Meth, or it was capital murder.

She's lucky it is only manslaughter. She will be out in a year or two, if the judge doesn't grant her leniency as a police officer. But, trust me, it was a hit. The victim was a CPA, looking into various financial matters...always a risky matter. Could be that he stumbled onto something.

But because the victim was black, and Amber is white, and this is the south...well, you know the rest.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25087-texas-cop-goes-home-to-wrong-address-shoots-occupant

Interestingly, eddie speculated that it was a paid hit over a year ago

Someone should tell Shuan King. He's had about 63 Facebook posts about this story, and none of them mentioned this theory.

Someone should tell Shaun King that the truth is always more important than what his light-toned ass is feeling in the moment.

Remember when that woman falsely accused a state trooper of sexual assault? He was all over that, too. In the course of my coverage, I tried three or four times to contact King and politely ask if he was planning to retract any of the extremely inflammatory bullshit he'd published about the case.

Never got a response and I never saw a retraction, either, which leads me to a one-word assessment of him: "hack."

by Maddog Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:58 pm

I'm extremely familiar with Shaun King. I follow him. He reminds me a lot of a certain poster around here who is full of hyperbole and horseshit.

Perhaps you should ask him for some retractions too?

by Ben Reilly Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:16 pm

Maddog wrote:I'm extremely familiar with Shaun King. I follow him. He reminds me a lot of a certain poster around here who is full of hyperbole and horseshit.

Perhaps you should ask him for some retractions too?

Comment is a bit different from publishing articles and columns under your own name and mug shot, to be fair.

by Maddog Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:24 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:I'm extremely familiar with Shaun King. I follow him. He reminds me a lot of a certain poster around here who is full of hyperbole and horseshit.

Perhaps you should ask him for some retractions too?

Comment is a bit different from publishing articles and columns under your own name and mug shot, to be fair.

Horseshit is horseshit. By the way she just got sentenced to 10 years. The Shaun King tribe is not happy.

I think 10 years is about right, it's twice the minimum.

by Original Quill Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:59 pm

Maddog wrote:Someone should tell Shuan King. He's had about 63 Facebook posts about this story, and none of them mentioned this theory.

Well, is that a surprise to you? In the south, you can get clean away with capital murder, especially 1) if the victim is black; and 2) if you've got southerners doing the investigation. Don’t tire your brain!

No one wants to argue the facts. That is revealing. The story this perp is telling, no one would believe in New York or Los Angeles. Yet the dumbass junior college folks swallow it like Trump sheep.

Imagine I go into a bank and pull a gun, order the teller lemme see the money and your hands, and then shoot her dead...and get off with ten years, because I bawled and cried: what bank…I thought I was at my home ???!! How stupid can you be?

I have no doubt that ten years out of the life of this 29-year old murderer was calculated into the 'cost of doing business'. She was probably compensated for the ten years, in addition to the cost of the crime.

That's how organized crime works. At that end of the scale, money is the least of their problems. But only in Texas… Rolling Eyes

by Ben Reilly Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:01 pm

Insofar as I prefer not to see sentences that ruin people's entire lives, I can live with 10 years. I'd have preferred 15 or even 20, but that's mainly because she's young and a woman, and thus more likely to survive her sentence.

It's like a lawsuit against a big corporation -- the punishment has to sting or you're not going to change the behavior. If you sue Walmart and win a million-dollar settlement, they're not going to change a thing -- it has to be hundreds of times more before the execs are going to pay attention.

by Original Quill Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:15 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Insofar as I prefer not to see sentences that ruin people's entire lives, I can live with 10 years. I'd have preferred 15 or even 20, but that's mainly because she's young and a woman, and thus more likely to survive her sentence.

And Botham Shem Jean, who will he outlive? You're calculating at the "Opps...sorry" rate, not the cold blooded murder rate.

Ben wrote:It's like a lawsuit against a big corporation -- the punishment has to sting or you're not going to change the behavior. If you sue Walmart and win a million-dollar settlement, they're not going to change a thing -- it has to be hundreds of times more before the execs are going to pay attention.

You can't substitute dollars in civil matters, for years in criminal matters. In civil matters they have punitive measures commensurate with ability to pay. But in criminal matters, you measure punishment in terms of the community. Nothing will satisfy a sense of decency in this case except death.

Lord knows, Texas isn't reluctant to impose that penalty, so why not?

by 'Wolfie Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:47 am

Maddog wrote:I'm extremely familiar with Shaun King. I follow him. He reminds me a lot of a certain poster around here who is full of hyperbole and horseshit.

Perhaps you should ask him for some retractions too?
.

"Hyperbole and horseshit.." ???

Like I've suggested before, shithead -- you, nicko and Freddles are the masters on here..

No mirrors in your house, redneck ? You spout total bullshit every day on here..

As for your fave faux "black" racist agitator Shaun King -- he's 'whiter' than me, going by those online photo's of him...

by Maddog Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:35 am

'Wolfie wrote:
Maddog wrote:I'm extremely familiar with Shaun King. I follow him. He reminds me a lot of a certain poster around here who is full of hyperbole and horseshit.

Perhaps you should ask him for some retractions too?
.

"Hyperbole and horseshit.." ???

Like I've suggested before, shithead -- you, nicko and Freddles are the masters on here..

No mirrors in your house, redneck ? You spout total bullshit every day on here..

As for your fave faux "black" racist agitator Shaun King -- he's 'whiter' than me, going by those online photo's of him...

He's not my fave.

What even gave you that idea. I think he's a shit stirrer.

by Maddog Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:39 am

https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/oct/02/amber-guyger-botham-jean-brother-hug-video

Might be something in my eye.

by Original Quill Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:12 pm

Maddog wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/oct/02/amber-guyger-botham-jean-brother-hug-video

Might be something in my eye.

Leave it to a Redneck meth-user to misinterpret this picture. Botham Jean's brother was not excusing a murderer, he was cleansing his own soul of hatred.

Take a look at Judge Tammy Kemp, who had just handed Guyger a ten-year sentence, then hands her a bible.

Blacks are always forgiving, but never excusing. It's something that white southerners ought to ponder.

by Maddog Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:17 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2019/oct/02/amber-guyger-botham-jean-brother-hug-video

Might be something in my eye.

Leave it to a Redneck meth-user to misinterpret this picture. Botham Jean's brother was not excusing a murderer, he was cleansing his own soul of hatred.

Take a look at Judge Tammy Kemp, who had just handed Guyger a ten-year sentence, then hands her a bible.

Blacks are always forgiving, but never excusing. It's something that white southerners ought to ponder.

Who is the redneck meth user and what was their interpretation?

by Original Quill Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:09 pm

The relatives of the victims of the Charleston SC church massacre, also forgave Dylann Roof, the shooter:

WAMU wrote:After the tragedy, it emerged that the family members of the victims would forgive the shooter. For The New York Times, Parul Sehgal writes that “a monstrous act of terrorism became a transfixing narrative of grace and forgiveness.”
https://the1a.org/shows/2019-06-04/charleston

Nothing of this was meant to change a "monstrous act" into a 'righteous', or even a 'mistaken' act. But for a black Baptist church person in the south, it is meant to purge personal feelings of hatred and unrighteous thoughts, and leave the godly with a clean conscience.

That was the purpose of the display of hugging exhibited by Brandt Jean, the surviving brother.

by eddie Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:21 pm

Quill, why are you childishly calling Maddog a meth-user? You sound like an idiot. Seriously, grow up. Rolling Eyes

by Maddog Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:49 pm

eddie wrote:Quill, why are you childishly calling Maddog a meth-user? You sound like an idiot. Seriously, grow up.

And how did I misinterpret the picture?

by Original Quill Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:27 am

eddie wrote:Quill, why are you childishly calling Maddog a meth-user? You sound like an idiot. Seriously, grow up.

Why is he childishly dossing my background, and viciously maligning Wolf? You seem to favor the RW'ers, eds, so we lefties have to fight back any way we can.

Red is a not here to seriously debate and analyze. He is here only to troll and insult. So, one answers back in kind. He is a typical Texas southerner, so I use typical Texas southern adjectives to describe him.

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:32 pm

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:47 pm

Think Maddog will appreciate this.
Who does Joy Behar remind you of on here?

by Original Quill Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:52 pm

Botham Jean's brother's forgiveness speech is touching for it's Christian charity. His is a Christian act of forgiveness.

In the act of purging himself of evil thoughts and emotions, he leaves Guyger's act of murder as the only evil in the room.

It's a subtlety that I doubt Amber Guyger got. She grasps at any straw right now, because she has been caught. Many prisoners turn to religion for the same reason...I got caught!

Brandt's entire soliloquy is a conversation between himself and god, in which Amber Guyger has no place. She is the object of the situation, but not the subject of the conversation between god and Brandt. It is his soul that is being purged of any unchristian feelings.

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:15 pm

Original Quill wrote:Botham Jean's brother's forgiveness speech is touching for it's Christian charity. His is a Christian act of forgiveness.

In the act of purging himself of evil thoughts and emotions, he leaves Guyger's act of murder as the only evil in the room.

It's a subtlety that I doubt Amber Guyger got. She grasps at any straw right now, because she has been caught. Many prisoners turn to religion for the same reason...I got caught!

Brandt's entire soliloquy is a conversation between himself and god, in which Amber Guyger has no place. She is the object of the situation, but not the subject of the conversation between god and Brandt. It is his soul that is being purged of any unchristian feelings.

Which shows you failed to understand the message of the brother. Which again is a universal concept held by some people no matter being religious or not. He simple has not hate in his heart. Hence its not purging anything. Unlike you he does not look to judge people, but would rather forgive their acts. Which for many is a hard pill to swallow. You should be taking a leaf out of his book, because its people like him that bridge divides between people. That they can overcome hate.

I mean is this an act of Christian forgiveness?

by Original Quill Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:16 pm

phil wrote:Who does Joy Behar remind you of on here?

A woman addressing Christian thoughts, but placing them in a cultural framework.

Historically, blacks have grasped the real meaning of Christian charity much more than white people. We see it not just in Brandt Jean's actions, but in the actions of victims' relatives in the wake of Dylann Roof's murders at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/19/i-forgive-you-relatives-of-charleston-church-victims-address-dylann-roof/

Resist as one might, you have to admit the truth of what she says: would that white people were as generous and giving.

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:23 pm

Original Quill wrote:
phil wrote:Who does Joy Behar remind you of on here?

A woman addressing Christian thoughts, but placing them in a cultural framework.

Historically, blacks have grasped the real meaning of Christian charity much more than white people. We see it not just in Brandt Jean's actions, but in the actions of victims' relatives in the wake of Dylann Roof's murders at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/06/19/i-forgive-you-relatives-of-charleston-church-victims-address-dylann-roof/

Resist as one might, you have to admit the truth of what she says: would that white people were as generous and giving.

And there we have it. There was nothing racial in this forgiveness but Quill and Joy racialise this, for their own political meaning. They make a mockery of the person who is full of forgiveness and politice and racialise his forgiveness for their own iams and means.

I find that so dispicable, that ist beyond belief

To say whether white people have been as genereous is going again off a racist mindset.

When it is again only within certain individuals you will find such a forgiving nature, that the majority of the world do not possess and it has nothing to with any such social construct on race.

The maount of people, again, mainly whites and even some Muslims, that placed their own lifes on the line to save Jews in WW2. Would show to Quill he is talking out of his arse. It does not matter that these people where white, European and in some cases Muslims. What matters, is they hold such a view of kindness that is beyond many of other people, because they are unselfish and commit to selfless deeds of courage

This is why the likes of Quill and Joy are some of the worst race baiters going. They do not combat racism, but fuel this

by Maddog Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:25 pm

phildidge wrote:Think Maddog will appreciate this.
Who does Joy Behar remind you of on here?

Walter Mitty from California.

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:29 pm

Maddog wrote:
phildidge wrote:Think Maddog will appreciate this.
Who does Joy Behar remind you of on here?

Walter Mitty from California.

+1

by Original Quill Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:33 pm

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:41 pm

I like this kind of southern culture

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:49 pm

I like this southern culture also

by Original Quill Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:19 pm

phildidge wrote:I like this kind of southern culture

by Guest Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:27 pm

by Victorismyhero Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:56 pm

Quill...there have been numerous warnings and such about altering posts "without accepting responsibility and making it obvious via the many ways there are available.... I'm telling you stop it...its just ignorant

Wolfie...the next time I see you dive into a post just to revile and spit bile all over other posters, and post nothing else of significant contribution its back in the cellar for you.

by Victorismyhero Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:03 am

Just because you are a L/W poster does not give you the right, whether you are in a minority or not, to be so damn ignorant...even you Quill rant like an uneducated fish wife at times (but do have the virtue of being amusing at times)
wolfie and others that play the well learned "I'm a poor victim" card, should grow a pair and realise that in fact you are victim of your own gross stupidity and thuggish ideology....
why is it....for the left (only) does opposition to an idea or principle you hold become immeduiately "personal" to the point you feel free to abuse in often the worst of term those who oppose you.

and wolfie dearest...you are NOT "insulted" (sufficiently) at all...being called thick or a dumbass is not comparable to the shit YOU put out....

by Original Quill Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:49 am

Victor wrote:Just because you are a L/W poster does not give you the right, whether you are in a minority or not, to be so damn ignorant...even you Quill rant like an uneducated fish wife at times (but do have the virtue of being amusing at times)

So you say, vic.

Now, let's take a look at the facts. Here's a woman who walked into the home of another human being and shot the homeowner dead. This happened in Texas; what result if a black man walked into the home of a white woman, and shot her dead. Don't bother. We both know the answer.

The facts of this case are so outlandish that I simply cannot believe the 'mistake' theory. If you buy that, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell you.

Now, here is a city--need I mention, it is in the south?--where the city police, state police, and the prosecutor all buy the admitted murder's story. No questions asked? Again, what result if the murderer had been black, and the victim had been white?

Then there is the issue of the penalty. Even the racist state had a touch of conscience...it asked for 28-years. But no...the southerners on the jury gave the murderer only 10-years, which means she'll be out in 5-years for good behavior. No doubt she will be placed in a country club, on the premise that she is a former cop.

In the University of Edinburgh thread, white people are trying to sell me on the claim that whites are the victims of discrimination. Here, a much more serious issue, is living proof that black discrimination still exists. We're not talking about some effete, delicate issue of who gets to speak first. We're talking about murder. Yet the same voices--honestly, with a straight face--are telling me that this isn't discrimination.

A cop, without justification, murders a totally unarmed victim in his own home, shot the victim in cold blood, and somehow that is less discriminatory than asking whites to speak second at a conference? Surely, you see why I don't want to be associated with the disgusting south.

by Victorismyhero Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:02 am

HMMM....i wasn't referring to this thread specifically..... Rolling Eyes

and you shouldnt alter posts without claiming the alteration.....even for humor

by Victorismyhero Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:07 am

AND...I actually agree with your stance on this case to some extent.....although I may approach it from a slightly different POV.

In my view it matters not whether it was deliberate "with malice aforethought" or merely negligent due to being tired confused whatever

negligence can NEVER be excused as a means of causing someones death, and in the case of officials with high authority and literally the power of life over death...they cannot and should not be allowed to "make mistakes" and if they do they should recieve the same penalty as a malicious killer.....

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