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Water found for first time on potentially habitable planet
”This is the first time that we have detected water on a planet in the habitable zone around a star where the temperature is potentially compatible with the presence of life,"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49648746
Astronomers have for the first time discovered water in the atmosphere of a planet orbiting within the habitable zone of a distant star.
The finding makes the world - which is called K2-18b - a plausible candidate in the search for alien life.
Within 10 years, new space telescopes might be able to determine whether K2-18b's atmosphere contains gases that could be produced by living organisms.
Details were published in the scientific journal Nature Astronomy.
The lead scientist, Prof Giovanna Tinetti of University College London (UCL) described the discovery as "mind blowing".
"This is the first time that we have detected water on a planet in the habitable zone around a star where the temperature is potentially compatible with the presence of life," she said.
The habitable zone is the region around a star where temperatures are sufficiently benign for water to exist in liquid form on the surface of a planet.
K2-18b is 111 light-years - about 650 million million miles - from Earth, too far to send a probe. So the only option is to wait for the next generation of space telescopes to be launched in the 2020s and to look for gasses in the planet's atmosphere that could only be produced by living organisms, according to UCL's Dr Ingo Waldmann.
"This is one of the biggest questions in science and we have always wondered if we are alone in the Universe," Dr Waldmann said. "Within the next 10 years, we will know whether there are chemicals that are due to life in those atmospheres."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49648746
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That's amazing. I find it mind-boggling that we've developed the techniques to look that far across space to see a planet, and then deduce from the reflection of light what gasses are in that planet's atmosphere.
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I knew that would get you all hot under the collar
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eddie wrote:I knew that would get you all hot under the collar
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Waffle...
They can claim anything they like... when it is impossible to ever prove...
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Waffle...
They can claim anything they like... when it is impossible to ever prove...
That is true, I can’t make that statement as it stands, untrue, but what do they get from lying?
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Waffle...
They can claim anything they like... when it is impossible to ever prove...
Scientific equipment like long-range space telescopes are generally made available to many different teams of researchers, so anybody who's lying about a discovery will easily be caught out by the next team.
As far as the composition of this planet's atmosphere, anybody with a bit of know-how can design an experiment showing which colors are absorbed and which are reflected by any given gas. That's how scientists measure the composition of the atmospheres of every planet besides Earth, Mars and Venus, which are the only ones we've been able to study directly.
You seem to think that scientists are more or less constantly lying -- am I wrong? And if I'm not, then why do you think that?
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More funding of taxpayers cash...!
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Speculation about unprovable stuff is not fact...
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Tommy Monk wrote:Speculation about unprovable stuff is not fact...
What do they get from lying?
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Tommy Monk wrote:Speculation about unprovable stuff is not fact...
What does a telescope do? What does a spectrometer do?
If you use both pieces of equipment, you can refract light from a distant source and analyze it. You could do it here on Earth.
The atmosphere of Venus, which was eventually studied by a probe, was accurately predicted by analyzing its light with a spectrometer.
If you were trained how to use this equipment, you could prove it yourself.
Why do you assume that they're lying, then?
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And anyway, if they were merely speculating, as you say, then why would they even bother using all this equipment?
Why wouldn't they just say, Ah, we think there's this planet 650 million million miles away that has an atmosphere like Earth's.
Be a hell of a lot easier than having to secure the funding they'd need to properly study it.
Why wouldn't they just say, Ah, we think there's this planet 650 million million miles away that has an atmosphere like Earth's.
Be a hell of a lot easier than having to secure the funding they'd need to properly study it.
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More taxpayer funds, Eddie...
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Tommy Monk wrote:More taxpayer funds, Eddie...
Okay...but the money is funding the research so who benefits from it? If you had said “They’re taking one million from taxpayers but only spending £500k and pocketing the rest” - that would make sense.
So what is the point of them lying, Tommy?
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They are pocketing all the money...
And paving the way for more money to be ploughed in to paying for even more 'equipment' and 'research'...
And paving the way for more money to be ploughed in to paying for even more 'equipment' and 'research'...
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Tommy Monk wrote:They are pocketing all the money...
And paving the way for more money to be ploughed in to paying for even more 'equipment' and 'research'...
Okay. So you think all this kind of research is simply a way of rich people stealing taxpayers money?
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Tommy Monk wrote:They are pocketing all the money...
And paving the way for more money to be ploughed in to paying for even more 'equipment' and 'research'...
How do you know?
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Because they are all getting paid for their 'work'...
And the article talks about the creation of a new load of space telescopes... funded by whom...!?
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Tommy would prefer that all "taxpayer funds" should forthwith be withheld from all scientific and medical research, (even though Tommy himself won't be paying his fair share of taxes, anyways)...
And instead should be directed instead into the coffers of his beloved new-fascists neo-nazi isolationist 'Brexit Party'; party, party, party..
All heil Herr Farage -- Tommy's new Messiah -- let's all "Make Britain Great Again !"
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Waffle...
They can claim anything they like... when it is impossible to ever prove...
Science starts with possibility and exploration, tommy. They can't prove it outright, not yet; but the fact they think they have identified such a planet gives hope that we can reach it some day - and think of all the benefits and wonders that could bring (just used a fraction of your tiny imagination ffs).
If left to people like you we just wouldn't seek, wouldn't find. Stifle all scientific curiosity.
Jeez we really would still be living in caves if history was only filled with people like you
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It would take 200 million years to get there...
So totally pointless!!!
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There is nothing pointless about searching the galaxy for signs that there's life out there somewhere besides Earth.
The day we find proof that there's life elsewhere, it will change the way we see ourselves forever. It will make the discovery of the Americas look like finding a fiver in your jacket pocket.
The day we find proof that there's life elsewhere, it will change the way we see ourselves forever. It will make the discovery of the Americas look like finding a fiver in your jacket pocket.
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So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
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So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
maybe not this particular planet, Tommy, although if they've found signs of water then it's possible
but surely to imagine that we are the only life forms on one planet amongst billions of planets is surely guff
stands to reason we're not the only ones
don't you find it exciting?
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Tommy Monk wrote:
So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
Just piss off, you fucking know-nothing jackass...
All you're doing now is embarrassing yourself more and more, with each subsequent post..
You wouldn't recognise the "truth" if it bit you on your stupid fat arse.
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'Wolfie wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:
So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
Just piss off, you fucking know-nothing jackass...
All you're doing now is embarrassing yourself more and more, with each subsequent post..
You wouldn't recognise the "truth" if it bit you on your stupid fat arse.
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'Wolfie wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:
So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
Just piss off, you fucking know-nothing jackass...
All you're doing now is embarrassing yourself more and more, with each subsequent post..
You wouldn't recognise the "truth" if it bit you on your stupid fat arse.
Why are you being abusive to someone who has a different view to your own? Is it because you think you’re right?
Good job you’re not a teacher of children.
I actually don’t think you’ll even know what this post means.
Bzzzzzzz.
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gelico wrote:'Wolfie wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:
So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
Just piss off, you fucking know-nothing jackass...
All you're doing now is embarrassing yourself more and more, with each subsequent post..
You wouldn't recognise the "truth" if it bit you on your stupid fat arse.
Yeah, no “How did you come to this conclusion?”
Just a shit ton of abuse and nothingness.
I don’t think I agree with Tommy, but at least I ask Fucking questions.
Abuse is nothing more then a big fat shit ton of verbal runny shit. It stinks and no one wants to associate with it.
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Tommy Monk wrote:
So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
The OP says that instruments are expected to become sensitive enough to detect the sort of chemicals that are created by living things in a planet's atmosphere within the next decade.
They already know that this planet has water and is in the Goldilocks zone of its sun.
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Ben Reilly wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:
So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
The OP says that instruments are expected to become sensitive enough to detect the sort of chemicals that are created by living things in a planet's atmosphere within the next decade.
They already know that this planet has water and is in the Goldilocks zone of its sun.
So... considering the first claim that the current instruments have discovered water on this distant planet..?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
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Tommy Monk wrote:Ben Reilly wrote:Tommy Monk wrote:
So... how are they gonna prove that there is some sort of life on this planet then...!?
Truth is... they're not...!
So just a load of guff really...!
The OP says that instruments are expected to become sensitive enough to detect the sort of chemicals that are created by living things in a planet's atmosphere within the next decade.
They already know that this planet has water and is in the Goldilocks zone of its sun.
So... these new instruments...
Proven to be accurate...!?
So what do you we shoild do tommy? Just shut down all scientific investigation into outer space?
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"...Earth is the only planet known to have stable bodies of liquid water on its surface, and liquid water is essential to all known life forms on Earth..."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_liquid_water
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"...Earth is the only planet known to have stable bodies of liquid water on its surface, and liquid water is essential to all known life forms on Earth..."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_liquid_water
And?
'known' planet.
Are you using wikipedia to argue we should stop exploring new possibilities?
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So... considering the first claim that the current instruments have discovered water on this distant planet..?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
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Tommy Monk wrote:So... considering the first claim that the current instruments have discovered water on this distant planet..?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
space exploration is a relatively new thing though tommy
just because one hasn't been found yet does that mean we shouldn't look?
i ask you this again
with all the billions of planets that are actually out there, do you think that we are the only life forces there are?
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Tommy Monk wrote:So... considering the first claim that the current instruments have discovered water on this distant planet..?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
That's not answering the question.
Considering your recent exchanges with Andy, that reeks of hypocrisy.
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Tommy Monk wrote:So... considering the first claim that the current instruments have discovered water on this distant planet..?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
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It would take 200 million years to get there... and another 200 million to get back to report the findings...
So who gives a fuck...!!!???
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It would take 200 million years to get there... and another 200 million to get back to report the findings...
So who gives a fuck...!!!???
Spectrometers are highly accurate instruments in most cases. You can use one to take a chemical analysis of a sample of liquid and determine what chemicals are in it.
All chemicals react with light in a distinctive way, and spectrometers are used to analyze the light reflected and absorbed by chemicals to determine what they are.
As long as the telescope is doing its job and the spectrometer is doing its job, the reading should be mostly accurate.
Again -- discovering life on another planet would obviously be the biggest discovery in the history of humanity, by a long way. It's worth doing.
And you haven't answered my questions about how scientists could forge a result like this one when other scientists can and will be checking their findings.
When grants are made for scientific research, they almost always go to the research departments of universities. The universities are then held accountable for how the money is spent.
They're allowed to spend on the production end of experimentation -- providing the raw materials and infrastructure needed to conduct experiments -- and to spend on the salaries of the researchers themselves, who are not normally paid massive salaries.
For example, researchers at Caltech average around $90,000 a year.
They certainly don't just take grant money and stuff it into their own pockets. Do you think there's anybody in the world who'd let them simply do that?
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So... considering the first claim that the current instruments have discovered water on this distant planet..?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
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Tommy Monk wrote:So... considering the first claim that the current instruments have discovered water on this distant planet..?
How accurate are these current instruments...!?
Name me one planet that has had a claim of water being there, and has been conclusively proven to be accurate...!?
Also... these proposed new instruments... how are they going to be tested for guaranteeing their accuracy...!?
I really think you should look into these questions for yourself. One, I don't think you'll believe me, and two, I think it'd do you good to research something you don't understand very well with an open mind -- with all due respect.
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Hmmm. What is the reality of this situation?
If there is life there. It clearly sees life here as of no cocnern. Or is not at a stage to understand how we could be a threat to them.
because the reality is and through history. We have always looked to expand and colonise areas for our own benefit
So if we could reach this world. Do you not think that again humanity would not look to care about what illnesses we would pass onto them?
The reality is this and evolution proves this. Given half the chance. We would colonise and control this planet if the species there. Were lessw evolved than humans. Its part of human nature in a number of people. Its why we should never use people that have seen combat/war. As many suffer post traumatic stress. As they leave themselves open to conflictions.
Why are we so happy we have seen planet that can sustain life?
because it provides a potential hope for the future for humans to colonise ans survive.
Happy for people to disagree with me on this and prove me wrong
If there is life there. It clearly sees life here as of no cocnern. Or is not at a stage to understand how we could be a threat to them.
because the reality is and through history. We have always looked to expand and colonise areas for our own benefit
So if we could reach this world. Do you not think that again humanity would not look to care about what illnesses we would pass onto them?
The reality is this and evolution proves this. Given half the chance. We would colonise and control this planet if the species there. Were lessw evolved than humans. Its part of human nature in a number of people. Its why we should never use people that have seen combat/war. As many suffer post traumatic stress. As they leave themselves open to conflictions.
Why are we so happy we have seen planet that can sustain life?
because it provides a potential hope for the future for humans to colonise ans survive.
Happy for people to disagree with me on this and prove me wrong
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I just think this search is something we as a species HAVE to do. We owe it to ourselves to do whatever we can to find out if there are other living things on other planets.
As far as we can tell, we're the most intelligent things this planet has managed to evolve. If any Earthling is going to find life elsewhere, it will be us, or else some other intelligent species that replaces us eons from now will have to give it a shot.
And evolution on Earth has only selected for high, human-style intelligence *once* in 4.5 billion years.
As far as we can tell, we're the most intelligent things this planet has managed to evolve. If any Earthling is going to find life elsewhere, it will be us, or else some other intelligent species that replaces us eons from now will have to give it a shot.
And evolution on Earth has only selected for high, human-style intelligence *once* in 4.5 billion years.
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Ben Reilly wrote:I just think this search is something we as a species HAVE to do. We owe it to ourselves to do whatever we can to find out if there are other living things on other planets.
As far as we can tell, we're the most intelligent things this planet has managed to evolve. If any Earthling is going to find life elsewhere, it will be us, or else some other intelligent species that replaces us eons from now will have to give it a shot.
And evolution on Earth has only selected for high, human-style intelligence *once* in 4.5 billion years.
ben I have faith that humanity will evolve
Sadly with climate change I only see conflict in the near future. I also see if we could reach this planet. We would be ignornat as we were in the past. When the Europeans landed in the Americas and cause millions to die from diseases they brought with them.
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I know the answers to my questions...
I am asking you if you know...?
I am asking you if you know...?
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Tommy Monk wrote:I know the answers to my questions...
I am asking you if you know...?
I would love to hear your thoughts, then. Don't know why you're asking questions if you already have all the answers, though.
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Ben Reilly wrote:I just think this search is something we as a species HAVE to do. We owe it to ourselves to do whatever we can to find out if there are other living things on other planets.
As far as we can tell, we're the most intelligent things this planet has managed to evolve. If any Earthling is going to find life elsewhere, it will be us, or else some other intelligent species that replaces us eons from now will have to give it a shot.
And evolution on Earth has only selected for high, human-style intelligence *once* in 4.5 billion years.
Anybody who has read 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' knows that both white mice and dolphins are much more highly evolved critters than mere ol' humans ...
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Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:19 pm by Tommy Monk
» Why should anyone believe anything that Mo Farah says...!?
Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:44 am by Tommy Monk
» Liverpool Labour defends mayor role poll after turnout was only 3% and they say they will push ahead with the option that was least preferred!!!
Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:11 pm by Tommy Monk
» Labour leader Keir Stammer can't answer the simple question of whether a woman has a penis or not...
Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:58 am by Tommy Monk
» More evidence of remoaners still trying to overturn Brexit... and this is a conservative MP who should be drummed out of the party and out of parliament!
Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:50 pm by Tommy Monk
» R Kelly 30 years, Ghislaine Maxwell 20 years... but here in UK...
Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:31 pm by Original Quill