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French judge rules Jewish woman’s killer not responsible because he smoked weed

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:03 pm

JTA — A Muslim man who killed his Jewish neighbor in Paris while shouting about Allah is probably not criminally responsible for his actions because he had smoked marijuana beforehand, a French judge ruled.

The preliminary ruling in the trial of Kobili Traore for the 2017 murder of Sarah Halimi came Friday from a judge of inquiry — a magistrate that in the French justice system is tasked with deciding whether indicted defendants should in fact stand trial.

Francis Khalifat, the president of the CRIF umbrella group of French Jewish communities, called the ruling “unsurprising but hardly justifiable.” He said his group and others will appeal in hopes of bringing Traore to trial.

He could be hospitalized for treatment of his psychotic lapses or made to attend a drug rehabilitation program, or he could be released.

Khalifat’s op-ed published Monday on the CRIF website follows a series of protests over perceived delays in Traore’s trial and the efforts, including by judges, that CRIF and others have condemned as attempts to prevent a murder trial.

Sammy Ghozlan, a former police commissioner and founder of France’s Bureau for Vigilance Against Anti-Semitism, told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency in May that the handling of the Halimi case has made him “no longer have full confidence that anti-Semitic hate crimes in France are handled properly.”

Traore pummeled Halimi, a physician and kindergarten teacher, for an hour as police stood outside the woman’s door, according to reports. He shouted about Allah and called her a “demon” before throwing her to her death. Traore had called Halimi’s daughter “dirty Jewess” two years before killing the mother, the daughter has said.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-judge-rules-jewish-womans-killer-not-responsible-because-he-smoked-weed/

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:40 pm

It's an 'temporary insanity' defense. We've had that for almost two centuries. Many jurisdictions define legal insanity according to the M’Naghten Test, developed in an 1843 English case. An offender is insane under this test if mental illness prevents the offender from knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Under the defense of 'temporary insanity', the perp claims he underwent a psychotic episode for the period during which the homicide was committed. I gather the theory is that the weed triggered it.

Keep us posted.

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Original Quill wrote:It's an 'temporary insanity' defense.  We've had that for almost two centuries.  Many jurisdictions define legal insanity according to the M’Naghten Test, developed in an 1843 English case. An offender is insane under this test if mental illness prevents the offender from knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Under the defense of 'temporary insanity', the perp claims he underwent a psychotic episode for the period during which the homicide was committed.  I gather the theory is that the weed triggered it.

Keep us posted.

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Post by Original Quill Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:00 pm

phildidge wrote:
Original Quill wrote:It's an 'temporary insanity' defense.  We've had that for almost two centuries.  Many jurisdictions define legal insanity according to the M’Naghten Test, developed in an 1843 English case. An offender is insane under this test if mental illness prevents the offender from knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Under the defense of 'temporary insanity', the perp claims he underwent a psychotic episode for the period during which the homicide was committed.  I gather the theory is that the weed triggered it.

Keep us posted.

Two excellent rational posts in a row

You are back off ignore, so keep up being the intelligent Quill I know you can be

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It's just a probable explanation of the judge's ruling.

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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:10 pm

In this case, it's laughable bullshit if the judge really thinks marijuana can trigger a murderous rage.
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Post by Guest Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:12 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:In this case, it's laughable bullshit if the judge really thinks marijuana can trigger a murderous rage.

Exactly, have a green

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Post by eddie Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:36 pm

I’ve never known anyone who smokes weed even to have the effort to get up off the sofa unless it’s to grab something to munch on.
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Post by JulesV Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:34 am

Run some tests on that judge, take hair samples & everything!

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:37 am



The french authorities have tried to cover this anti semitic race hate crime up since it happened... denying it was anything to do with Islamist hatred of Jews from the start...


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Post by Original Quill Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:48 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

The french authorities have tried to cover this anti semitic race hate crime up since it happened... denying it was anything to do with Islamist hatred of Jews from the start...

Where do you see that. Link please.

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Post by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:16 am

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The french authorities have tried to cover this anti semitic race hate crime up since it happened... denying it was anything to do with Islamist hatred of Jews from the start...

Where do you see that.  Link please.

I checked out the murder, which happened two years ago, on Wikipedia and I'm thinking Tommy's got a good point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Halimi
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