Muslims attack Catholics leaving church in October 2011

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/201/muslims-attack-catholics-leaving-church-in-france

Maine coon lover wrote:http://www.jewsnews.co.il/201/muslims-attack-catholics-leaving-church-in-france

disgusting, they demand tolerance and show none themselves...

can you believe they attacked people from another faith...

Tad scant on information, do you have any news links to this at all Maine.

If true, is completely wrong to attack innocent people, but your video explains little and that is all the evidence a video with some clips of a few riots

I mean do you not think this is odd that I cannot find a single News site write up?


Very odd

heavenly father wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:http://www.jewsnews.co.il/201/muslims-attack-catholics-leaving-church-in-france

disgusting, they demand tolerance and show none themselves...

I don't think people like that demand tolerance at all -- what they're demanding is that you and I be exactly like them, or get attacked.

Sadly, this happens every day, all over the world. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9457007/Sikh-temple-massacre-gunman-was-white-supremacist-Wade-Michael-Page.html

islam demands tolerance where ever it goes...

heavenly father wrote:islam demands tolerance where ever it goes...

Well, you're not distinguishing between the "live and let live" Muslims and the fundamentalists who want to force everyone else to convert. I would say that this group that attacked the Catholics belongs to the latter, wouldn't you?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:islam demands tolerance where ever it goes...

Well, you're not distinguishing between the "live and let live" Muslims and the fundamentalists who want to force everyone else to convert. I would say that this group that attacked the Catholics belongs to the latter, wouldn't you?

is there a distinction, they all read the same koran.. :D 

I am still waiting for an actual news report on this, as am suprised normally this would have been in the Mail and others.
Tad weird if it is true not to be mentioned and as a I said if it is true, then I completely condemn the actions

PhilDidge wrote:I am still waiting for an actual news report on this, as am suprised normally this would have been in the Mail and others.
Tad weird if it is true not to be mentioned and as a I said if it is true, then I completely condemn the actions

there is a video a link from a news channel you might get a better link from there.. :D 

What news channel?

One only one news channel, none from the actual Country by any chance namely France?

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:islam demands tolerance where ever it goes...

Well, you're not distinguishing between the "live and let live" Muslims and the fundamentalists who want to force everyone else to convert. I would say that this group that attacked the Catholics belongs to the latter, wouldn't you?

is there a distinction, they all read the same koran.. :D 

As much as a distinction as there is between a Labour-voting member of the C of E and a member of the KKK, yes.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

is there a distinction, they all read the same koran.. :D 

As much as a distinction as there is between a Labour-voting member of the C of E and a member of the KKK, yes.

i don't think there is if they are reading the koran they will be doing what it says, if they are not then they are not muslims at all..so all muslims are the same..  

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

is there a distinction, they all read the same koran.. :D 

As much as a distinction as there is between a Labour-voting member of the C of E and a member of the KKK, yes.

i don't think there is if they are reading the koran they will be doing what it says, if they are not then they are not muslims at all..so all muslims are the same..  

But Christians interpret the bible quite differently from one another; why should the Quran be any different?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i don't think there is if they are reading the koran they will be doing what it says, if they are not then they are not muslims at all..so all muslims are the same..  

But Christians interpret the bible quite differently from one another; why should the Quran be any different?

denominations exist but mainly on the importance of certain scripture...the koran on the other hand has it 's complete, unchanging instructions along with the fatwas ruling on what they say.. kill the infidels, terrorise...etc

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i don't think there is if they are reading the koran they will be doing what it says, if they are not then they are not muslims at all..so all muslims are the same..  

But Christians interpret the bible quite differently from one another; why should the Quran be any different?

denominations exist but mainly on the importance of certain scripture...the koran on the other hand has it 's complete, unchanging instructions along with the fatwas ruling on what they say.. kill the infidels, terrorise...etc

Yes, but there are commandments in the Bible that people in different denominations interpret differently -- for that matter, there are many different denominations of Islam, too, and many different opinions on topics ranging from head-coverings to what fatwas mean, and who is authorized to issue them.

Something is very wrong if not one of the French national Newspapers have reported such a huge attack do you not all think?

PhilDidge wrote:Something is very wrong if not one of the French national Newspapers have reported such a huge attack do you not all think?

Just clicked on the YouTube link at the source page ... this attack happened a year ago!

Ben_Reilly wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Something is very wrong if not one of the French national Newspapers have reported such a huge attack do you not all think?

Just clicked on the YouTube link at the source page ... this attack happened a year ago!

I thought something was wrong as it would be all over the net on news outlets

Actually just found out this event happened in 2011


On this link you find the same words used on the youtube link Ben


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=214529

PhilDidge wrote:Actually just found out this event happened in 2011


On this link you find the same words used on the youtube link Ben


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=214529

Noted, updated the headline again.

On a separate note, I wonder why people keep recycling this news and pretending it just happened?

I wonder ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Actually just found out this event happened in 2011


On this link you find the same words used on the youtube link Ben


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=214529

Noted, updated the headline again.

On a separate note, I wonder why people keep recycling this news and pretending it just happened?

I wonder ...

this happens all the time Ben, people will attempt to whip up fear and hate by recycling stories, take the video circulating the other day on the thread stoned to death for being on Facebook, the clip was taken from a production film a few years back, so this happens quite often to be honest ben

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:islam demands tolerance where ever it goes...

Well, you're not distinguishing between the "live and let live" Muslims and the fundamentalists who want to force everyone else to convert. I would say that this group that attacked the Catholics belongs to the latter, wouldn't you?

and you're not distinguishing between the warmongering violent doctrine of ISLAM which demands submission and the MUSLIMS who follow the belief and how those MUSLIMS choose to act

smelly_bandit wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Well, you're not distinguishing between the "live and let live" Muslims and the fundamentalists who want to force everyone else to convert. I would say that this group that attacked the Catholics belongs to the latter, wouldn't you?

and you're not distinguishing between the warmongering violent doctrine of ISLAM which demands submission and the MUSLIMS who follow the belief and how those MUSLIMS choose to act

Another contradicted post from smelly, ignoring all the herem posts to wipe out groups of people

DOH

smelly_bandit wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Well, you're not distinguishing between the "live and let live" Muslims and the fundamentalists who want to force everyone else to convert. I would say that this group that attacked the Catholics belongs to the latter, wouldn't you?

and you're not distinguishing between the warmongering violent doctrine of ISLAM which demands submission and the MUSLIMS who follow the belief and how those MUSLIMS choose to act

Allah does not ask us to go around and kill people, cause if that was the case all Muslims around the world would be killing non Muslims! I hope that is simple enough to understand   

do muslim actions speak louder than words, we have all seen the banners..  

and the cowards cover their faces...

Which banners; this one?



Or this one?

ha ha ha if islam is against terrorism why does it make the martyrs who go to paradise ..lol

love that..  

72 virgins in Paradise?



If you ask a random person what they know about Islam, you will get some random responses. People generally know that Muslims worship Allah, but don’t know much else. Plenty of people will venture incorrect guesses, like ‘Islam is an Arab religion” or “Islam is only about Jihad” along with the mistaken idea that the word means Holy war. One of the more popular ideas that is now spreading is that “Terrorists are promised 72 virgin women when they die.”
The “72 virgins” idea is probably the most overblown idea that people seem to remember about Islam. It’s turning into a real stereotype. Forget the doctrines of monotheism and tolerance, it seems all people want to hear about is the virgins. There’s a lot more to Paradise than just sex and physical pleasure, you know.

Before I go describing them in detail, I want to note that I’m taking the issue and the verses out of context. One really should read the whole Surah (chapter) to get a better understanding of the religious signifigance. Nearly a third of the Qur’an talks about the life after this one, so while there are chapters and chapters to describe the hereafter, I’m just discussing a few verses which talk about the servants; a minor perk in the grand scheme of Paradise. Personally I think the greatest reward is to be in the presence of God Almighty. Plenty of non-Muslims take one of these single verses and generalize that all of heaven is lascivious, but that simply isn’t the case. I’m just focusing on the virgins, since that’s what you came here to read.

To start off, you need to understand what the rewards in Jannah (Paradise) are. The Quran says that those who do get into Paradise will be rewarded with blessings that eclipse anything on earth; unlimited food of your choice, riches, and wishes come true. Things considered sinful on Earth such as wine will be allowed, and people will be able to eat and drink all they want and not get full or hungover or sick. People will be reunited with their friends and relatives, we will all be made young again, and there will be no anger or pain. Everyone will be given palaces to live in, and clothing fit for royalty, with luxurious couches and thrones for everyone. There will be rivers of the purest water, milk, wine, and honey, all of which are better than any you will find on earth. Those who get to the highest part of Paradise, Jannah al-Firdaus, will also be able to see Allah with their own eyes. So, in a sense, Heaven is a paradise filled with pleasures. You need to imagine the context of when this idea of Paradise was revealed to the people; of the extremely stark and difficult life of ancient Bedouin Arabia. Something as simple as the constant flow of water in a stream was considered miraculous, so it would be natural to imagine heaven depicted this way, flowing with streams of water under the shade of huge trees. (Well what did you expect Paradise to be? Clouds, wings, and harps?)

Also, the believers who make it into Paradise, male and female, are promised beautiful companions, known as “Houris” in Arabic. The Quran describes them in some detail as such:

“Serving [the believers] will be immortal youths with jeweled and crystal cups filled with the purest wine which will neither give them headache nor hangover, with fruits and meats of their desire. They will be fair ones with lovely intense eyes like guarded pearls; A reward for the good deeds of their past life.” (56:17-24)
“We have created mates for them and made them virgins, matched in age, for the companions of the right hand.” (56:35-38)

“They will be chaste, restraining their eyes in modesty, never touched by man or Jinn.”(55:56)

“Serving them will be immortal servants. When you see them, they will look like scattered pearls.” (76:19)

The Islamic scholar Yusuf Ali defines the word “Houris” in his english interpretation of Qur’an as “Youths of perpetual freshness.” He also described them in his commentary: “The companionship of Beauty and Grace is one of the highest pleasures of life. In this bodily life it takes bodily form. In the higher life it takes a higher form…The pronoun in Arabic is in the feminine gender. It is made clear that these maidens for heavenly society will be of special creation,-of virginal purity, grace, and beauty, inspiring and inspired by love, with the question of time and age eliminated.”
The Houris are basically creations of God, intelligent yet soulless and created to serve the believer who goes to Paradise. They are created for the purpose of serving the believer, and as such, they dont exactly have free will. They are described as pure, beautiful, lustrous, virgin, and more perfect than any human on earth. Imagine the woman of your dreams.

Women aren’t left out: A man in paradise will get numerous female servants for himself, while a woman would get male servants. The Quran says that women shall be compensated just as well and says about the believers that “they” (the gender unspecified) shall have perfected mates/spouses as a reward of their deeds (2:25, 3:15, 4:57). So women will get the man of their dreams. Actually, even better than you could dream of.

In Paradise, you can marry them. You can interpret the “mates” as being spouses. Even if you were married on earth, they will be invisible to your spouse. Islam is pretty clear in saying that guiltless sex is a reward in Paradise. Since they are more like spouses, they will probably be given the status of one instead of a servant.

There is no direct evidence in the Qur’an to support there being 70 or 72 for each person. The numerical value of 70 is derived from a Quranic commentary by Quranic scholar Ibn Kathir. The number 72 comes from a hadith that says “‘The smallest reward [each] for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from [Damascus] to [Yemen].’”

Do Muslims believe it literally? Are they required to? This particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered 100% authenticly faultless, though it is listed in an authoritative collection. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it, though many inevitably do (but an even more respectable Hadith with virtually the same message can be found in a separate hadith collection). Most muslims believe that they will experience incredible physical pleasures when they enter heaven, and that you will be happier in heaven than you could possibly be in this life. Some say that the houris are a metaphor for the ineffable joys of the afterlife. “Ineffable” is the perfect word to describe it, since Allah promises rewards beyond imagination, meaning you can’t even guess what reward lies ahead since there is no equal on Earth. Ergo, if you can imagine the greatest, richest, best thing in this life, then what will actually be there will be even better.

So, to answer the question “Do terrorists get 72 virgins in Paradise?” Anyone who gets into Heaven will get the servants, it’s not specific to martyrs or the shaheeds. The more important question is, who is privileged to enter heaven according to Islam? That’s a topic for another node.(Hint: Islam is unambiguous on the issue of suicide and hurting innocent people; they’re Completely sinful) In case it’s not clear to anyone, Terrorists who hurt innocent people are sinning, so it’s up to Allah if they’ll go to Paradise or not. You see, bad deeds aren’t rewarded, only punished.

No point in trying to educate HF with the facts about Islam. He subscribes to what I will hereby dub the "Smelly_Kaka" theory of Islam, in which all Muslims are exactly the same as Osama bin Laden.

I thought it was raisins they get in paradise...  

Ben_Reilly wrote:No point in trying to educate HF with the facts about Islam. He subscribes to what I will hereby dub the "Smelly_Kaka" theory of Islam, in which all Muslims are exactly the same as Osama bin Laden.

I see your point

we know all we need to know about islam, the religion of peace..  

B4st4rds!

BigAndy9 wrote:B4st4rds!

exactly who do they think they are attacking people leaving church, even more important why do they think they should do it??