Pensioner did lawfully kill intruder after warning him to get out of his house.

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 5:20 pm

Seventy Eight year old Richard Osborn-Brooks was initially arrested on suspicion of murder but was later released without charge.

"A man who was stabbed to death while trying to burgle a pensioner's home was lawfully killed, a coroner has ruled.
Henry Vincent, 37, died last April after his chest was pierced with a 12-inch kitchen knife brandished by then 78-year-old Richard Osborn-Brooks.
The elderly homeowner had warned Vincent, who was armed with a screwdriver, that his weapon was "bigger than yours and if you don't leave my house you will be sorry".

But Vincent, who had cocaine and heroin in his system, ignored his warning and instead "ran into" the blade, Mr Osborn-Brooks told Southwark Coroner's Court.
Mr Osborn-Brooks had told Vincent "get out of my house you bastard or it will be the worse for you" as he attempted to protect his elderly wife Maureen, the inquest heard.

Balaclava-wearing Vincent and another masked accomplice entered the house in South Park Crescent, Hither Green, southeast London, demanding cash in the early hours of 4 April last year, the inquest was told.
Senior coroner Andrew Harris recorded a verdict of lawful killing on Thursday.

He said: "In considering the force it would seem that given there is two intruders at night, one with a weapon, the use of moderate force would seem to me to reasonably be proportionate."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/henry-vincent-inquest-death-stabbing-burglar-richard-osborn-brooks-london-a8896651.html

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 5:25 pm

Henry Vincents sister forgot to add he was a low life drug addled criminal who's luck ran out when he picked on the wrong person to terrorise.

"Vincent's sister Rose told the hearing: "My brother was not a violent person. He was a father, he was a son, he was a brother.

Vincent's friends and family sparked outage in the usually quiet neighbourhood by laying flowers and cards opposite Mr Osborn-Brooks's house, which was boarded up after the burglary.
The tributes were repeatedly torn down by neighbours who were angry that the career criminal was being remembered in such a way."

by Original Quill Thu May 02, 2019 5:52 pm

Here's a toothless old man, yelling: Mine is bigger than yours!!

Pensioner did lawfully kill intruder after warning him to get out of his house. Oldman-703959

Pensioner did lawfully kill intruder after warning him to get out of his house. Oldman-703959

Yeah, sure. Uh-huh... Rolling Eyes

by 'Wolfie Thu May 02, 2019 6:13 pm

Original Quill wrote:Here's a toothless old man, yelling: Mine is bigger than yours!!

Yeah, sure. Uh-huh...

Well, his nose is certainly bigger...

Or else he has a very small face..

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 6:35 pm

Original Quill wrote:Here's a toothless old man, yelling: Mine is bigger than yours!!

Yeah, sure. Uh-huh...

Well in this case his was certainly bigger. Wink

by Tommy Monk Thu May 02, 2019 7:06 pm

Top respect to the old guy victim of these two criminal intruders into his and his wife's home, for standing up for himself in defending himself and protecting his wife and his home...!

And it is good that the judge has made the right decision in backing him too... but it really shouldn't have ever been in question or to have taken so long or been such a long drawn out process to reach this point of outcome of old guy being backed in law for his actions in defence from these intruders into his home...!

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 7:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Top respect to the old guy victim of these two criminal intruders into his and his wife's home, for standing up for himself in defending himself and protecting his wife and his home...!

And it is good that the judge has made the right decision in backing him too... but it really shouldn't have ever been in question or to have taken so long or been such a long drawn out process to reach this point of outcome of old guy being backed in law for his actions in defence from these intruders into his home...!

I agree on both points Tommy.

Do you remember when this first happened, the career thiefs friends and family kept placing flowers outside the old mans home in tribute to the arsehole who was stabbed to death....as if he was a fallen hero instead of cowardly scum.

The elderly man and his wife had to move out of their own home and no longer live there.

It's good that finally the correct legal outcome is seen to be done.

by Ben Reilly Thu May 02, 2019 7:54 pm

That's the right ruling and it actually makes me rest a bit easier.

The simple fact is that you never know if someone breaking into your home is there to steal your TV, or to kill your family. You should have the right to treat an intruder as a threat to the lives of you and your loved ones.

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 8:10 pm

All too often in the UK we hear people say that they are not allowed to use violence to protect their property....the Tony Martin case is often cited.

This case proves that a man (or woman) can use so called reasonable force to defend themselves and their property.
If reasonable force means the intruder or assailant dies....tough luck.

by Raggamuffin Thu May 02, 2019 9:00 pm

Syl wrote:All too often in the UK we hear people say that they are not allowed to use violence to protect their property....the Tony Martin case is often cited.

This case proves that a man (or woman) can use so called reasonable force to defend themselves and their property.
If reasonable force means the intruder or assailant dies....tough luck.

Tony Martin shot someone in the back though and then left him to die, so it wasn't quite the same thing.

by Raggamuffin Thu May 02, 2019 9:01 pm

Original Quill wrote:Here's a toothless old man, yelling: Mine is bigger than yours!!

Yeah, sure. Uh-huh...

What is wrong with you? scratch

by Maddog Thu May 02, 2019 9:09 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Here's a toothless old man, yelling: Mine is bigger than yours!!

Yeah, sure. Uh-huh...

What is wrong with you?

I'm pretty sure that's Quill. Cool

by Maddog Thu May 02, 2019 9:13 pm

Two men - aged 50 and 34 - have been arrested on suspicion of murder after the bodies of two women were reportedly found in the freezer of an east London home.

Detectives launched a double murder investigation when they made the grim discovery last Friday after the alarm was raised by someone who was concerned for the welfare of the occupant of a ground floor flat in the Canning Town area.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/29/two-women-found-dead-freezer-home-east-london/

These poor women needed bigger knives. Crying or Very sad

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 11:09 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:All too often in the UK we hear people say that they are not allowed to use violence to protect their property....the Tony Martin case is often cited.

This case proves that a man (or woman) can use so called reasonable force to defend themselves and their property.
If reasonable force means the intruder or assailant dies....tough luck.

Tony Martin shot someone in the back though and then left him to die, so it wasn't quite the same thing.

I know, he shot them both with an illegally held shotgun after lying in wait for the expected break in, the 16 year old died.

He is still often quoted though when people complain that the law doesn't support homeowners protecting their property.

by Vintage Thu May 02, 2019 11:13 pm

To be fair Tony Martin had been targeted on a number of times, it may be wrong legally but how much do you put up with before you snap and do something crazy as he did.

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 11:18 pm

Vintage wrote:To be fair Tony Martin had been targeted on a number of times, it may be wrong legally but how much do you put up with before you snap and do something crazy as he did.

I remember public opinion was divided at the time. He was convicted of murder later reduced to manslaughter.

by Vintage Thu May 02, 2019 11:27 pm

Why do some people or maybe given the right circumstances, most people, think its easier to take something by force from someone else instead of working to get it themselves or in dire circumstances working together for the best outcome for the majority.

by Syl Thu May 02, 2019 11:45 pm

The men in the OP and the two who repeatedly broke into Martins home were so called career criminals.
People like that live by taking from others, rather than working honestly.
They are selfish scum and many are prepared to take by force if need be..

by Syl Fri May 03, 2019 1:28 pm

"Rose Lee, Vincent's mother, said: "Why couldn't that gentleman have just stood back like a normal person would have."

How can a mother defend her son who, armed with a weapon, died whilst invading the home of 2 pensioners?

Why should anyone stand back and allow armed burglars to enter their homes, take what they want, possibly hurt or kill the occupants, without defending themselves?

The pensioners have had to permanently leave their home because of fear of repercussions from the dead mans family and friends. Leave the home they no doubt intended to live out their days in peace. Crying or Very sad

Pensioner did lawfully kill intruder after warning him to get out of his house. 0_swns11

by nicko Fri May 03, 2019 2:34 pm

"Stood back like a normal person", What a joke she is !

by Syl Fri May 03, 2019 3:18 pm

You would think her and the rest of his family would crawl away in shame instead of trying to make out he was a good and decent man. He was scum, and they do say the apple doesn't fall from the tree.

by HoratioTarr Fri May 03, 2019 7:35 pm

If you break into someone's house, where they believe they're safe, their home and place of refuge and privacy, then you deserve to run the gauntlet of their wrath. If you threaten them with violence and die in the process, tough fucking shit.

by Vintage Fri May 03, 2019 7:51 pm

I wonder if she would stand back if the same thing happened to her, she'd stand back alright and call in the 'community' to help and the person or persons invading her home would get the kicking of their lives.

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