Republicans (finally) shut up about election fraud now that one of their own's been caught doing it

RALEIGH, N.C. — Republican politicians across the country have for years railed against the threat of voter fraud. Some have made unproven claims about how rampant it has become in order to pass voter ID laws and open sweeping investigations. The sanctity of the vote, they have said, must be protected at all costs.

But when a hard-fought congressional election in North Carolina — in which a Republican candidate appeared to narrowly beat his Democratic opponent — was overturned this week because of election fraud by a Republican political operative, the party was measured, and largely muted, in its response.

The state party chairman, Robin Hayes, issued a statement after officials ordered a new election calling the affair “a tremendously difficult situation for all involved.” National Republicans have been mostly mum. Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon, who has made election fraud one of the hallmarks of his administration, was quiet on Twitter, although on Friday, facing reporters at the Oval Office, he condemned fraud — “all of it, and that includes North Carolina.”

Mark Harris, the Republican nominee, had eked out a 905-vote lead over Dan McCready. But the North Carolina Board of Elections refused to certify Mr. Harris as the winner and opened an investigation into irregularities. This week, the five-member board, made up of Republicans and Democrats, convened an evidentiary hearing in Raleigh at which witnesses described a voter-turnout effort that relied on the rogue collection of absentee ballots.

A review of documents has shown White House claims to have unearthed “substantial evidence” of voter fraud were false, according to a junior member of Donald Trump’s short-lived commission on election integrity.

Matt Dunlap, the top elections official in Maine, said he had examined 1,800 commission documents that were denied to him while he served and that he had since obtained through a court order. He found nothing in them to substantiate the claims made by the commission’s vice-chair, Kris Kobach, and the White House when the commission was disbanded in January.

“The sections on evidence of voter fraud are glaringly empty,” Dunlap reported in an official letter to Kobach and the vice-president, Mike Pence, the commission chair. “After months of litigation that should not have been necessary, I can report that the statements by Vice Chair Kobach and the White House were, in fact, false.”

The Devil, You Know wrote:
funny how you only become interested in election fraud when a republican gets caught. Voter id would sort a lot of this nonsense out in america and the UK.

The Devil, You Know wrote:funny how you only become interested in election fraud when a republican gets caught. Voter id would sort a lot of this nonsense out in america and the UK.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

RALEIGH, N.C. — Republican politicians across the country have for years railed against the threat of voter fraud. Some have made unproven claims about how rampant it has become in order to pass voter ID laws and open sweeping investigations. The sanctity of the vote, they have said, must be protected at all costs.

But when a hard-fought congressional election in North Carolina — in which a Republican candidate appeared to narrowly beat his Democratic opponent — was overturned this week because of election fraud by a Republican political operative, the party was measured, and largely muted, in its response.

The state party chairman, Robin Hayes, issued a statement after officials ordered a new election calling the affair “a tremendously difficult situation for all involved.” National Republicans have been mostly mum. Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon, who has made election fraud one of the hallmarks of his administration, was quiet on Twitter, although on Friday, facing reporters at the Oval Office, he condemned fraud — “all of it, and that includes North Carolina.”

Mark Harris, the Republican nominee, had eked out a 905-vote lead over Dan McCready. But the North Carolina Board of Elections refused to certify Mr. Harris as the winner and opened an investigation into irregularities. This week, the five-member board, made up of Republicans and Democrats, convened an evidentiary hearing in Raleigh at which witnesses described a voter-turnout effort that relied on the rogue collection of absentee ballots.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html

Oh, and whatever happened  to that Trump commission  on voter  fraud?

A review of documents has shown White House claims to have unearthed “substantial evidence” of voter fraud were false, according to a junior member of Donald Trump’s short-lived commission on election integrity.

Matt Dunlap, the top elections official in Maine, said he had examined 1,800 commission documents that were denied to him while he served and that he had since obtained through a court order. He found nothing in them to substantiate the claims made by the commission’s vice-chair, Kris Kobach, and the White House when the commission was disbanded in January.

“The sections on evidence of voter fraud are glaringly empty,” Dunlap reported in an official letter to Kobach and the vice-president, Mike Pence, the commission chair. “After months of litigation that should not have been necessary, I can report that the statements by Vice Chair Kobach and the White House were, in fact, false.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/03/documents-disprove-white-house-voter-claims-says-ex-member-of-trump-commission

Funny how  these stories get "dropped" from the conversation sometimes, isn't it?

Maddog wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html

Oh, and whatever happened  to that Trump commission  on voter  fraud?



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/03/documents-disprove-white-house-voter-claims-says-ex-member-of-trump-commission

Funny how  these stories get "dropped" from the conversation sometimes, isn't it?

Yeah, it's funny how both sides shut up when it's one of their own.  

At least your title implies both sides do it.  That's the only way it will get better.

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
Yeah, it's funny how both sides shut up when it's one of their own.  

At least your title implies both sides do it.  That's the only way it will get better.

Complete copout and dodged the main point here

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

Complete copout and dodged the main point here

The main point is voter fraud is problem, but neither side seems to care as much when it's their side getting caught.  Now when the other side does it...........

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
Yeah, it's funny how both sides shut up when it's one of their own.  

At least your title implies both sides do it.  That's the only way it will get better.

Complete copout and dodged the main point here

The main point is voter fraud is problem, but neither side seems to care as much when it's their side getting caught.  Now when the other side does it...........

eddie wrote:

Maddog wrote:
The main point is voter fraud is problem, but neither side seems to care as much when it's their side getting caught.  Now when the other side does it...........

That’s why it’s impossiboe to debate with people who have their feet firmly stuck in one camp. Their feet are stuck and their eyes are shut.
I find it weird.  

Who wants to live in a camp and never venture outside?

Thor wrote:

eddie wrote:


That’s why it’s impossiboe to debate with people who have their feet firmly stuck in one camp. Their feet are stuck and their eyes are shut.
I find it weird.  

Who wants to live in a camp and never venture outside?

I am neither democrat nor Republican
Maddog dodge the actual voter fraud story here, because he has his foot stuck in one camp

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

I am neither democrat nor Republican
Maddog dodge the actual voter fraud story here, because he has his foot stuck in one camp

I'm not dodging anything. Both sides do it and they bitch when the other side does it, and clam up when their side does it.  

I dont usually pick sides on these party debates.  They are both disappointing.

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I'm not dodging anything. Both sides do it and they bitch when the other side does it, and clam up when their side does it.  

I dont usually pick sides on these party debates.  They are both disappointing.

In this casse who did it?

Take your time

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

In this casse who did it?

Take your time

In this case the Republicans. And the Dems will make hay out of it. Next time it might be the Dems committing fraud and the Reps will do the same. 

Anytime anyone starts a thread about some transgression that one party does in equal amounts as the other, my response is to remind them of that.  

That's just me.  Sorry if that bothers you.

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
In this case the Republicans. And the Dems will make hay out of it. Next time it might be the Dems committing fraud and the Reps will do the same. 

Anytime anyone starts a thread about some transgression that one party does in equal amounts as the other, my response is to remind them of that.  

That's just me.  Sorry if that bothers you.

So you want to dodge the point of where voter fraud is, based off a view it may happen on the other side

wow

I am neither democrat or Republican, so to me the Republicans have to take action over this

Your view to look neutral here, has about as much honesty as Jussie Smollett

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

So you want to dodge the point of where voter fraud is, based off a view it may happen on the other side

wow

I am neither democrat or Republican, so to me the Republicans have to take action over this

Your view to look neutral here, has about as much honesty as Jussie Smollett

How is saying both sides do it, and it's a problem, dodging anything?

Do you expect me to think like you?

Maddog wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

RALEIGH, N.C. — Republican politicians across the country have for years railed against the threat of voter fraud. Some have made unproven claims about how rampant it has become in order to pass voter ID laws and open sweeping investigations. The sanctity of the vote, they have said, must be protected at all costs.

But when a hard-fought congressional election in North Carolina — in which a Republican candidate appeared to narrowly beat his Democratic opponent — was overturned this week because of election fraud by a Republican political operative, the party was measured, and largely muted, in its response.

The state party chairman, Robin Hayes, issued a statement after officials ordered a new election calling the affair “a tremendously difficult situation for all involved.” National Republicans have been mostly mum. Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon, who has made election fraud one of the hallmarks of his administration, was quiet on Twitter, although on Friday, facing reporters at the Oval Office, he condemned fraud — “all of it, and that includes North Carolina.”

Mark Harris, the Republican nominee, had eked out a 905-vote lead over Dan McCready. But the North Carolina Board of Elections refused to certify Mr. Harris as the winner and opened an investigation into irregularities. This week, the five-member board, made up of Republicans and Democrats, convened an evidentiary hearing in Raleigh at which witnesses described a voter-turnout effort that relied on the rogue collection of absentee ballots.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html

Oh, and whatever happened  to that Trump commission  on voter  fraud?

A review of documents has shown White House claims to have unearthed “substantial evidence” of voter fraud were false, according to a junior member of Donald Trump’s short-lived commission on election integrity.

Matt Dunlap, the top elections official in Maine, said he had examined 1,800 commission documents that were denied to him while he served and that he had since obtained through a court order. He found nothing in them to substantiate the claims made by the commission’s vice-chair, Kris Kobach, and the White House when the commission was disbanded in January.

“The sections on evidence of voter fraud are glaringly empty,” Dunlap reported in an official letter to Kobach and the vice-president, Mike Pence, the commission chair. “After months of litigation that should not have been necessary, I can report that the statements by Vice Chair Kobach and the White House were, in fact, false.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/03/documents-disprove-white-house-voter-claims-says-ex-member-of-trump-commission

Funny how  these stories get "dropped" from the conversation sometimes, isn't it?

Yeah, it's funny how both sides shut up when it's one of their own.  

At least your title implies both sides do it.  That's the only way it will get better.

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
How is saying both sides do it, and it's a problem, dodging anything?

Do you expect me to think like you?

Well show me where the other side has done this and I will happily concede the point to you?

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Maddog wrote:
Yeah, it's funny how both sides shut up when it's one of their own.  

At least your title implies both sides do it.  That's the only way it will get better.

Do you have an example of Democrats doing this?

Maddog wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Maddog wrote:
Yeah, it's funny how both sides shut up when it's one of their own.  

At least your title implies both sides do it.  That's the only way it will get better.

Do you have an example of Democrats doing this?

Come in dude.  You are a journalist in Tarrant county.  

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

Well show me where the other side has done this and I will happily concede the point to you?

I'm operating under the premise that you already knew both sides did it  

Maddog wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Do you have an example of Democrats doing this?

Come in dude.  You are a journalist in Tarrant county.  

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Come in dude.  You are a journalist in Tarrant county.  

Haven't seen any proven case of Democrats doing this. Feel free  to post it up if you have  that.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Come in dude.  You are a journalist in Tarrant county.  

The Democrats have no need to do voter fraud.  They are already on the winning side.

The Republican ethos is predicated on selfishness.  Add to that, they are losing.  Hispanics soon will be the majority over white Europeans.

It's the conservative white supremacists who want to do this.  It's the conservative white supremacists who have to do this.

Original Quill wrote:Meh...you can't generalize from specifics.  She probably was just trying to help, and didn't know it was against the law.

Not like Republicans.  For them this is a business.

Maddog wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Haven't seen any proven case of Democrats doing this. Feel free  to post it up if you have  that.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article220540115.html


I believe this is your old employer.  

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:



https://www.star-telegram.com/news/politics-government/election/article220540115.html


I believe this is your old employer.  

That is an allegation, what was the outcome?

Also this was not by the Democratic party officials.

Where as the other is by Republican officals

So any other links you can provide?

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:


That is an allegation, what was the outcome?

Also this was not by the Democratic party officials.

Where as the other is by Republican officals

So any other links you can provide?

A Fort Worth woman recently indicted on voter fraud charges paid others involved in the scheme with funds provided by a former Tarrant County Democratic Party leader, court documents filed this week say.




The trial hasn't happened yet. 


The point is, Ben should have been very familiar with this and not asked me to demonstrate a very local case of vote harvesting.  


Have there been any convictions in the cases Ben cited? 

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Meh...you can't generalize from specifics.  She probably was just trying to help, and didn't know it was against the law.

Not like Republicans.  For them this is a business.

A democratic party leader? 

Maddog wrote:Are you saying she was too dumb to know any better? 

Maddog wrote:Why dont you accept the fact that both parties will cheat to stay in power.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:


A democratic party leader? 

What??  It's just a volunteer or a casual friend.  It's none of the slick organization that the Republicans have, say, in North Carolina with this professional, McCrae Dowless.

Maddog wrote:Are you saying she was too dumb to know any better? 

Or, too short of an attention span to concentrate.

Maddog wrote:Why dont you accept the fact that both parties will cheat to stay in power.

Because, Republicans continually use mirror-image arguments, and part of that is to project one's own inner-evil onto the other side.  Actually, it's a kind of self-defense: it's like, instead of admitting you're that evil...say the other side does it too and you don't look so bad!

It's all disabused by stepping back and seeing the whole picture.  Democrats don't need to do voter fraud.  Polls show that the public is moving way to the left of Republicans, who are just old, white men.  And statistics show that Hispanics, who are already Democrats, are growing in number...and votes.  Why change anything when you're already winning?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What??  It's just a volunteer or a casual friend.  It's none of the slick organization that the Republicans have, say, in North Carolina with this professional, McCrae Dowless.



Or, too short of an attention span to concentrate.



Because, Republicans continually use mirror-image arguments, and part of that is to project one's own inner-evil onto the other side.  Actually, it's a kind of self-defense: it's like, instead of admitting you're that evil...say the other side does it too and you don't look so bad!

It's all disabused by stepping back and seeing the whole picture.  Democrats don't need to do voter fraud.  Polls show that the public is moving way to the left of Republicans, who are just old, white men.  And statistics show that Hispanics, who are already Democrats, are growing in number...and votes.  Why change anything when you're already winning?

How about you stop seeing people as a tribe, based on guilt by assoication?

Maddog is not even a Republican

So how do you even factor in your nonsense here?

How about you stop hating?

That would be a start

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:


How about you stop seeing people as a tribe, based on guilt by assoication?

Maddog is not even a Republican

So how do you even factor in your nonsense here?

How about you stop hating?

That would be a start

Nah.  Anything you give them, they take and demand more.  Appeasement is the path of snowflakes, as I think you Brits should know.

I sense that Democrats are all done being snowflakes.  Even you, didge, say that Obama was too soft.  Take pride in being right for once.  It's a new era.

Didge wrote:So the view I take here is you are an extremist

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:So the view I take here is you are an extremist

In the words of a famous American, and great friend of mine: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."   -Barry Goldwater.

Didge wrote:You ae in no position to bridge the gap

I want rational people to offer suggestions

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:You ae in no position to bridge the gap

I want rational people to offer suggestions

You've got a pipe-dream, didge.  I've got the reason.

People out there understand, I'm right.  Republicans want to build walls, and start wars.  And you want coco-puffs?  Ridiculous.

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You've got a pipe-dream, didge.  I've got the reason.

People out there understand, I'm right.  Republicans want to build walls, and start wars.  And you want coco-puffs?  Ridiculous.

What pipe dream do you want to believe in?

Nazism/Stalism or a future?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You've got a pipe-dream, didge.  I've got the reason.

People out there understand, I'm right.  Republicans want to build walls, and start wars.  And you want coco-puffs?  Ridiculous.

What pipe dream do you want to believe in?

Nazism/Stalism or a future?

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:


What pipe dream do you want to believe in?

Nazism/Stalism or a future?

Nice slogans, didge.  But you're not addressing the real problem, are you?

I said that one must kill the disease, before you heal the body.  You want to leap over that part, and go directly to Pollyannaville.

Until you address the real issue, it's all words.  

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Nice slogans, didge.  But you're not addressing the real problem, are you?

I said that one must kill the disease, before you heal the body.  You want to leap over that part, and go directly to Pollyannaville.

Until you address the real issue, it's all words.  

Both sides commit fraud and both sides have people who have been removed and or jailed for corruption.  

Its Pollyannaish to suggest anything else.

Maddog wrote:LOS ANGELES (AP) — LOS Angeles County prosecutors have charged nine people with felonies alleging they offered money and cigarettes to homeless people on LA's Skid Row in exchange for false and forged signatures on ballot petitions and voter registration forms.
The office of District Attorney Jackie Lacey says in a statement Tuesday the alleged offenses occurred during the 2016 and 2018 election cycles.
Five of the nine defendants were arraigned Tuesday in Superior Court.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2018-11-20/alleged-voter-fraud-scheme-used-los-angeles-homeless

And it happens everywhere.  

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:LOS ANGELES (AP) — LOS Angeles County prosecutors have charged nine people with felonies alleging they offered money and cigarettes to homeless people on LA's Skid Row in exchange for false and forged signatures on ballot petitions and voter registration forms.
The office of District Attorney Jackie Lacey says in a statement Tuesday the alleged offenses occurred during the 2016 and 2018 election cycles.
Five of the nine defendants were arraigned Tuesday in Superior Court.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2018-11-20/alleged-voter-fraud-scheme-used-los-angeles-homeless

And it happens everywhere.  

Republicans!!  They are desperate, aren't they?