Where Are Feminist Democrats on Afghan Women?

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:


You are not taking  on my views and i wish you would

I would prefer your reasons, as I respect them

You are simple discounting mine, when they are based on history, facts and reason.

I dont accept your views, you dont accept mine. 

Afghanistan is a disaster and 3 presidents and dozens of generals have tried to fix it.  

I'm going to wager a bet that your views won't fix it either, or it would be fixed by now.

How is it a disater when now women now have the ability to have an education?

Seriously, you call that a disaster?

Did you call our intervention in the Bosnian war a disaster?

Where was the terrorism from the Serbian and Croatian Christians from this against the US and British?

I can give you a clue as to why

I will take that bet and  the people are allowed to have an education for a couple of generations, this will help eradicate hateful taliban wahhabism

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
I dont accept your views, you dont accept mine. 

Afghanistan is a disaster and 3 presidents and dozens of generals have tried to fix it.  

I'm going to wager a bet that your views won't fix it either, or it would be fixed by now.

How is it a disater when now women now have the ability to have an education?

Seriously, you call that a disaster?

Did you call our intervention in the Bosnian war a disaster?

Where was the terrorism from the Serbian and Croatian Christians from this against the US and British?

I can give you a clue as to why

I will take that bet and  the people are allowed to have an education for a couple of generations, this will help eradicate hateful taliban wahhabism

The Taliban controls more territory now than it did 5 years ago.

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:

How is it a disater when now women now have the ability to have an education?

Seriously, you call that a disaster?

Did you call our intervention in the Bosnian war a disaster?

Where was the terrorism from the Serbian and Croatian Christians from this against the US and British?

I can give you a clue as to why

I will take that bet and  the people are allowed to have an education for a couple of generations, this will help eradicate hateful taliban wahhabism

The Taliban controls more territory now than it did 5 years ago.

Which even more backs my point on why its was dumb to reduce the number of allied forces. Does it not?

Anyway Maddog watch, this will make you laugh. As you sound like socialist here

Enjoy

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
The Taliban controls more territory now than it did 5 years ago.

Which even more backs my point on why its was dumb to reduce the number of allied forces. Does it not?

Actually, Trump stepped up troops and bombings. 

It had no effect except to increase the size of Taliban controlled territory.

It's been 18 years.  The solution is not going to come from western militaries or Afghanistan would be a functioning country. It's not.  

It's not Japan, it's not Germany.  It needs an organic, homegrown political solution, not an external military one.  

It's another Vietnam. There are problems that cant be fixed by the US military.

Thor wrote:Anyway Maddog watch, this will make you laugh. As you sound like socialist here

Enjoy

I get called a liberal snowflake and a right wing nazi all of the time.  Doesn't bother me in the least

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:


Which even more backs my point on why its was dumb to reduce the number of allied forces. Does it not?

Actually, Trump stepped up troops and bombings. 

It had no effect except to increase the size of Taliban controlled territory.

It's been 18 years.  The solution is not going to come from western militaries or Afghanistan would be a functioning country. It's not.  

It's not Japan, it's not Germany.  It needs an organic, homegrown political solution, not an external military one.  

It's another Vietnam. There are problems that cant be fixed by the US military.

What?

After 19 years you think this increased the taliban and territroies and not troop down sixe?

Please show this in numbers, because i know for a fact that is bollocks. As show me how his troop numbers were bigger than under Obama?

The solution is going to come from seeing this through.

that is what you fail to grasp

Its needs a military defense, until there can be an economical and political stability there

Vietnam?

Now you are being a fuckwit

Vietnam failed because the US had no comprehension of what hearts and minds was

Its why no such insurgency gained hold in Malaysia. As the British defeated many by hearts and minds

The problem was redneck hicks in  the US army

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:Anyway Maddog watch, this will make you laugh. As you sound like socialist here

Enjoy

I get called a liberal snowflake and a right wing nazi all of the time.  Doesn't bother me in the least

Massive fail to see the point made

Watch through

Didge wrote:I have studied history beyond your conprehension Quill and no [sic—means ‘know’] full well, that your view on legitimate governements is simple a red herring

Oh goodie, you instill such confidence.

Didge wrote:In this country, the UK, we have received many terrorist acts, that have killed civillian lives. If the view that it is what happened to civillians was the driving factor why people turned to terrorism. Then  we would see unprecdented terrorism against Muslims in retaliation,

Why?  You are assuming that the UK is like the middle east, and the UK is easily provoked.  If the UK was so much like the middle east, why are you trying so hard to change the middle east?

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:I have studied history beyond your conprehension Quill and no [sic—means ‘know’] full well, that your view on legitimate governements is simple a red herring

Oh goodie, you instill such confidence.

Didge wrote:In this country, the UK, we have received many terrorist acts, that have killed civillian lives. If the view that it is what happened to civillians was the driving factor why people turned to terrorism. Then  we would see unprecdented terrorism against Muslims in retaliation,

Why?  You are assuming that the UK is like the middle east, and the UK is easily provoked.  If the UK was so much like the middle east, why are you trying so hard to change them?

Where did i assume that?

i never did.

You did.  As I said based on your methodology

i am only trying to help people have the rights to an education

Why are you not supporting that?

So the questionm to ask. Is do you support the right of eveyone to have access to have education?

Under the taliban that would not happen

So who do you support?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Oh goodie, you instill such confidence.



Why?  You are assuming that the UK is like the middle east, and the UK is easily provoked.  If the UK was so much like the middle east, why are you trying so hard to change them?

Where did i assume that?

i never did

You did

i am only trying to help people have the rights to an education

Why are you not supporting that?

OK, then your change of position is helpful. The response of the UK is not a model of how the middle eastern insurgents behave. The middle east is a land of insurgents, and insurgency is like infection. Infesctions spread, and our presence there spreads the infection.

Insurgency, also like infections, doesn't lay down arms when some "legitimate" government tells then to. You defeat one, and his sons will take up arms to perpetuate the conflict.

Legitimate governments mean crisp decisions. Germany was a quick and crisp 6-years. The Japanese took a little longer, indeed because there was an element of insurgency with them. But in the end, symmetrical wars mean symmetrical endgames.

Not so with the middle eastern nations. In the middle eastern nations the divisions are much more closely linked to the culture, and particularly the religion. They don't exactly follow orders to lay down arms.

The result is that in the middle east, a foreigner's presence does not yield the war's endgame. A foreigner's presence yields resentment, and perpetuates the war. You may be able to defeat an army in a field, but you cannot defeat a culture in its own country.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:


Where did i assume that?

i never did

You did

i am only trying to help people have the rights to an education

Why are you not supporting that?

OK, then your change of position is helpful.  The response of the UK is not a model of how the middle eastern insurgents behave.  The middle east is a land of insurgents, and insurgency is like infection.  Infesctions spread, and our presence there spreads the infection.

Thor wrote:WTF has that got to do with anything? If it was why did the Britsih arm the Jordanians an lead them agains the newly formed nation of israel? I mean do yuou have any cromprehension  of what you are talking about? The grand Mufti of jerusalem was in league with Hitler in regards toexterminating the jews. Even the British produced a white paper in  1939 to restrict jewish immiration. Which i am sure you would be against as you are against Trump restrictions on immigration. Except in this case, ensured hundreds of thousands more Jews ended up in the gas chambres

Insurgency, also like infections, doesn't lay down arms when some "legitimate" government tells then to.  You defeat one, and his sons will take up arms to perpetuate the conflict.

Thor wrote:So how did that work out then for the Ukranians. When the Soviet Union gained control after defeating he nazi's. It took many years to gain them under control

Legitimate governments mean crisp decisions.  Germany was a quick and crisp 6-years.  The Japanese took a little longer, indeed because there was an element of insurgency with them.  But in the end, symmetrical wars mean symmetrical endgames.

Thor wrote:WTF the fuck are you talking about?
Seriously?

It was never crisp and the allies and the soviets used nazi's as a means against each other

Seriously what history have you read?

Not so with the middle eastern nations.  In the middle eastern nations the divisions are much more closely linked to the culture, and particularly the religion.  They don't exactly follow orders to lay down arms.

Thor wrote:WTF again. So why has the regiomn being littered with religious conflict with shia and sunni?

The result is that in the middle east, a foreigner's presence does not yield the war's endgame.  A foreigner's presence yields resentment, and perpetuates the war.  You may be able to defeat an army in a field, but you cannot defeat a culture in its own country.

The Arabs are foreigners in the majority of the Middle East. Its called Arabization. They are the foreigner in many parts of africa and the Middle east and you claim that is not the problem? Yet the west is?

One moment



What the fuck are you talking about

The arabs took over from  a mainly greek population

Who took over from the romans

Who ethnnically cleansed the Jews from  the area

You are simple the biggest tit i have ever known when  it comes to history

So based on your view, how or on what reason, do the Arabs have any view here, when they are foreigners?

Didge wrote:...from a mainly greek population

Who took over from the romans

The Greeks took over from the Romans???

Wiki wrote:
The culture of Greece has evolved over thousands of years, beginning in Mycenaean Greece, continuing most notably into Classical Greece...

Periclean Athens was around the fifth century BC. The "Golden Age" of Roman culture was from c. 70 B.C. - AD 476.

The people of the middle east have been in the middle east for...well, for all their lives. I don't know what you are thinking of, but they have always been there.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:...from a mainly greek population

Who took over from the romans

  The Greeks took over from the Romans???

Wiki wrote:
Yes its called the Byzantine empire, who were mainly Greek

Periclean Athens was around the fifth century BC.  The "Golden Age" of Roman culture was from c. 70 B.C. - AD 476.

The greeks had colonized the areas, as they did centureis ago as the Philistines. They were a sea faring people from against the Greek shores

The point is the Greeks were invaders, as was the Arabs

The jews are indigeneous

Its where there culture, religion and lanugues were formed

The Arabs formed in the Arabian Peninsula and they colonized the Middle east and North africa.

They betrayed then Byzantine rules who they were in the pay of as mecenaries

The only time the area really becme known as palesintine was because of the Romans after Hadrian. Who was antisemitic and hated the jews.

Original Quill wrote:The people of the middle east have been in the middle east for...well, for all their lives.  I don't know what you are thinking of, but they have always been there.

Really?

So based on your thinking, the jews in Israel have been there all of their lives, correct?

Half of the populaion of Jews the Sephardic jews have been there longer in the Middle East than any Arabs

The Arabs as a people never came into existance until mucy later

For example the People of iran do not see themselves as Arabs

You have not a clue what you are talking about

There is many indigeneous groups

Yet you worship the Arabs

I'm talking about middle-easterners, no matter their origins. Presumably, we all come from Lucy, somewhere south of there. At some point they coalesce into a culture.

I don't need a narrative of their comings and goings. We're talking about now.

Didge wrote:So based on your thinking, the jews in Israel have been there all of their lives, correct?

No, those who populate Israel are Europeans and Americans, for the most part.

Original Quill wrote:I'm talking about middle-easterners, no matter their origins.  Presumably, we all come from Lucy, somewhere south of there.  At some point they coalesce into a culture.

I don't need a narrative of their comings and goings.  We're talking about now.

No matter their origins?

So you are okay with arab colinization then>

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:So based on your thinking, the jews in Israel have been there all of their lives, correct?

No, those who populate Israel are Europeans and Americans, for the most part.

Wrong

Half the population is Sephardi Jews

Where do they come from Quill?

Even those who are not descend from the middle east

Didge wrote:Half of the populaion of Jews the Sephardic jews have been there longer in the Middle East than any Arabs

Who cares? Middle-easterners are middle-easterners.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:Half of the populaion of Jews the Sephardic jews have been there longer in the Middle East than any Arabs

Who cares?  Middle-easterners are middle-easterners.

What the fuck is a Middle easterner?

Extend to me the culture, religion, language etc?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, those who populate Israel are Europeans and Americans, for the most part.

Wrong

Half the population is Sephardi Jews

Where do they come from Quill?

Even those who are not descend from  the middle east

Don't be foolish. They are Europeans, followed by Americans. The original, indigenous Jewish population was miniscule. The subject is not a Jewish population, but middle-easterners.

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Who cares?  Middle-easterners are middle-easterners.

What the fuck is a Middle easterner?

Anyone who lives in the middle-east.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

What the fuck is a Middle easterner?

Anyone who lives in the middle-east.

So every nationality then?

So we can dispense with colonization then?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Anyone who lives in the middle-east.

So every nationality then?

So we can dispense with colonization then?

The relevant answer is: Not us!  As we are talking about what breeds terrorists, the point is that outsiders coming in to kill people are what cause consternation.  That consternation breeds resentment, which in turn motivates people to become terrorists.

So Maddog is right, all you are doing as outsiders over there, is creating terrorists.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

So every nationality then?

So we can dispense with colonization then?

The relevant answer is: Not us!  As we are talking about what breeds terrorists, the point is that outsiders coming in to kill people are what cause consternation.  That consternation breeds resentment, which in turn motivates people to become terrorists.

So Maddog is right, all you are doing as outsiders over there, is creating terrorists.

Not us?

Then who?

And why?

Your view is based either racially or ideologically

If the view is what breeds terrrorism, where is the german and japanese terrorists?

This is why you arr both fuckwits

The only draw here is ideology

As what does the ideology say on martyrdom?

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The relevant answer is: Not us!  As we are talking about what breeds terrorists, the point is that outsiders coming in to kill people are what cause consternation.  That consternation breeds resentment, which in turn motivates people to become terrorists.

So Maddog is right, all you are doing as outsiders over there, is creating terrorists.

Not us?

Then who?

I would suggest that if the Afghanstanis want to change their own system, they do it themselves. This is not only the fairest way, but assures self-determination.

Didge wrote:And why?

It's most democratic.

Didge wrote:Your view is based either racially or ideologically

It keeps matters completely within the society there. Any racism is their's to figure out.

Didge wrote:If the view is what breeds terrrorism, where is the german and japanese terrorists?

Their war was not an insurgency. It was a symmetrical conflict, nation to nation. There were no insurgents.

Didge wrote:This is why you arr both fuckwits

That's not very nice. If you need to be insulting in order to make your point, it must not be a very good point.

Didge wrote:The only draw here is ideology

As what does the ideology say on martyrdom?

Well, the ideology is an accompaniment of the culture. Under principles of self-determination for a nation, the culture gets to choose it's own cultural values and mores, and select its own form of government.

The only way to go astray is for an outside culture to come in and impose its own cultural values and mores. Seems to me that is the very thing for which you are arguing. It's a recipe for resentment and disaster.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

Not us?

Then who?

I would suggest that if the Afghanstanis want to change their own system, they do it themselves.  This is not only the fairest way, but assures self-determination.

Didge wrote:What if there is no fair system Quill?

It's most democratic.

Didge wrote:What if that system denies women their rights. Is that fair?

It keeps matters completely within the society there.  Any racism is their's to figure out.

Didge wrote:Not if it denies women the right to also vote, as it would under the Taliban

Their war was not an insurgency.  It was a symmetrical conflict, nation to nation.  There were no insurgents.

Didge wrote:It was a war based on the allies supporting the allied northern Alliance

That's not very nice.  If you need to be insulting in order to make your point, it must not be a very good point.  

Didge wrote:It was a good point and left you found wanting

Well, the ideology is an accompaniment of the culture.  Under principles of self-determination for a nation, the culture gets to choose it's own cultural values and mores, and select its own form of government.

The only way to go astray is for an outside culture to come in and impose its own cultural values and mores.  Seems to me that is the very thing for which you are arguing.  It's a recipe for resentment and disaster.

90% are againt the Taliban in the country

So how do you eradicate poverty Quill there?

You see people like you that hold a very selfish  concept. Have no idea how to solve world problems

You only see local problems and also bitch about Trump

How is that?

You have no understanding of tactics or long term strategy

The way to conquer the taliban is education

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
I get called a liberal snowflake and a right wing nazi all of the time.  Doesn't bother me in the least

Massive fail to see the point made

Watch through

I miss a lot of your points.

Sorry.

Thor wrote:

Maddog wrote:
Actually, Trump stepped up troops and bombings. 

It had no effect except to increase the size of Taliban controlled territory.

It's been 18 years.  The solution is not going to come from western militaries or Afghanistan would be a functioning country. It's not.  

It's not Japan, it's not Germany.  It needs an organic, homegrown political solution, not an external military one.  

It's another Vietnam. There are problems that cant be fixed by the US military.

What?

After 19 years you think this increased the taliban and territroies and not troop down sixe?

Please show this in numbers, because i know for a fact that is bollocks. As show me how his troop numbers were bigger than under Obama?

The solution is going to come from seeing this through.

that is what you fail to grasp

Its needs a military defense, until there can be an economical and political stability there

Vietnam?

Now you are being a fuckwit

Vietnam failed because the US had no comprehension of what hearts and minds was

Its why no such insurgency gained hold in Malaysia. As the British defeated many by hearts and minds

The problem was redneck hicks in  the US army

Is that why the French failed there too?

Maddog wrote:

Thor wrote:


What?

After 19 years you think this increased the taliban and territroies and not troop down sixe?

Please show this in numbers, because i know for a fact that is bollocks. As show me how his troop numbers were bigger than under Obama?

The solution is going to come from seeing this through.

that is what you fail to grasp

Its needs a military defense, until there can be an economical and political stability there

Vietnam?

Now you are being a fuckwit

Vietnam failed because the US had no comprehension of what hearts and minds was

Its why no such insurgency gained hold in Malaysia. As the British defeated many by hearts and minds

The problem was redneck hicks in  the US army

Is that why the French failed there too?

They never learnt the concept of hearts and minds mate

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:


Wrong

Half the population is Sephardi Jews

Where do they come from Quill?

Even those who are not descend from  the middle east

Don't be foolish.  They are Europeans, followed by Americans.  The original, indigenous Jewish population was miniscule.  The subject is not a Jewish population, but middle-easterners.

Prime example of antisemitism, as you deny Jews their identity and ancestry, based off some leftist racism, denying their ancestry. You only do this because you are antisemitic, through the lens to back the actual colonizers in the Arabs. As why else make such a false claim? You only do so, to deny an indigeneous people the right to return to their historical homeland. It also is the same hateful view that Jews should be ethically cleansed from Judea and Sumaria. To form a future Palestinian state, free from Jews. Something even Hitler never accomplished in Germany. As why cannot a future Palestinian state have jews live within such a state? Its the only example where the left call for the ethnic cleansing of a people to form a nation that would be only Arabic. Its abhorant how the left are the worst antisemites today. The Arabs have a right to a nation also as long term residents. Yet they are not indigeneous, as they speak Arabic and identify as a modern people, the palestinians. They have a right to self determination, but have rejected 5 times being able to create a palestinian nations. As they constantly reject the Jews living alongside them in a state of Israel through self determination. That means you back their hate and antisemitism. There could be peace tomorrow if the Palestinians stopped hating the Jews. Nobody would have died or any Jews and Arabs would have been displaced or fled their homes. If the Arabs had respected the rights of Jews with self determination. That is what you antisemitic far leftists cannot comprehend.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-75-percent-of-jews-trace-ancestry-to-mideast-1.5327994

http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/75-percent-of-today-s-jews-have-middle-eastern-origins-says-dna-pioneer

https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/224254/bellerose-aboriginal-people

So 75% of jews are from the Middle East. Where does that leave your warped argument, denying the vast majority of Jews, who are middle easterners? They are the one people you deny as indigeneous. Why is that? Because you are a proponent of intersectionality that views Jews as not being able to suffer discrimination  and prejudice based on antisemitic toupes based aound wealth and their skin colour. People like you are inherantly the worst racists, as you only base racism on skin colour and power. Showing you have no comprehension  of what racism actually is. 

Its bery easy to prove that the BDS is antisemitic

They claim to fight for the rights of Palestinians. Yet they never call for the boycott of Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Where Palestinians in refugee camps have zero rights. Where we have the only example whee people born to refugees, become refugees. In these countries Palestinians are denied the right to work, own properties, have a right to citizenship etc and the plight of these palestinians are ignored by the left. The reason why, because Arabs to the far left are allowed to discriminate against other Arabs. Where Arabs actually have equal rights in Israel, they call this apartheid, I mean seriously WTF?

If people actually cared about Palestinians, they would boycott all nations that deny palestinians basic rights. The jews are the only nation that actually gives Palestinians rights, those living in Israel and yet the left ignore the blatant suffering of Palestinians living in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Proving such supporters of the BDS are inherantly antisemitic.

Arabs descend from the Arabian Peninsula. Then later conquered and Arabinzied the Middle East and North Africa, So why are you not speaking out on this colonization?

You also fail to understand what it means to be indigeneous and this is the problem  today, the worst antisemits come from the Far left

Didge wrote:Prime example of antisemitism, as you deny Jews their identity and ancestry...

To the contrary, you are the anti-Semite, as you deny the Jewish people an important piece of their own history. They tried to make it as Europeans, but were denied by you, a Christian European.

Then they took their admirable resilience and built a beautiful oasis on the desert, to their immense credit. Yet, you would deny them that great legacy.

Shame.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:Prime example of antisemitism, as you deny Jews their identity and ancestry...

To the contrary, you are the anti-Semite, as you deny the Jewish people an important piece of their own history.  They tried to make it as Europeans, but were denied by you, a Christian European.

Then they took their admirable resilience and built a beautiful oasis on the desert, to their immense credit.  Yet, you would deny them that great legacy.

Shame.

WTF?

I am not a Christian and have never denied them their legacy, that is you denying them being Middle eastern

Seriously are you smoking crack?

Half the Jewish population in Israel never were ever in Europe. They were always in the Middle East. They are called Sephardic Jews

It was you here that denied Jews their ancestry and did so to deny them their right to settle in their historical homeland, as why else make such an ignorant and unscientific claim as you did?

You tunr this one me, being one of the out spoken critics of antisemitism?

Hilarious and it shows you are clutching at straws. You claim I stand against Jews, based off past Christian hate and antisemtic conspiracies they formed

Hence you are smoking crack

You see this is what it boils down to. Only people on the Far left and Far right are joined by one single factor

Hatred of the Jews

By any objective measure, Palestinians in Lebanon are treated far worse than those who live under "occupation" - even in Gaza.

They are banned, by law, from holding jobs in dozens of fields including law and medicine.

They are banned from owning property.

They are forced to live in terrible "refugee" camps, in pitiful conditions, and they need a permit to leave their camps.

Even within the camps, they are banned from building new buildings or additions on buildings.

They are banned from owning businesses.

They cannot ever become citizens.

They have a 67% poverty rate.

This is all institutional discrimination. It is so bad that over half of the Palestinians registered by UNRWA as living in Lebanon have left to live in Europe or elsewhere.

The Palestinians who cannot leave say that living in Lebanon is like living in prison.

The European Union claims that "human rights are at the heart of the European Union's external action and the EU reaffirms its role as a leading global proponent of the promotion and protection of human rights. "

Last year it issued a report on the human rights situation in Lebanon - and it did not mention one of the facts listed above.

Its summary of the human rights situation in Lebanon says "Lebanon generally upheld and preserved respect for human rights and the rule of law and undertook some important key reforms."

The EU, of course, doesn't hesitate to condemn Israel when it is perceived as doing something that the EU disagrees with, like cutting payments to the PA that go to terrorists or allowing Jews to build houses in their homeland.

The hypocrisy is only fully seen when we compare how the EU describes Israel's human rights record towards Palestinians and how it ignores the blatant discrimination and oppression of Palestinians in Lebanon.

It isn't only the EU, of course. No one calls on artists to boycott Lebanon because of how it treats Palestinians. No one says not to buy Lebanese products. 

Based on this EU report, one can say that there is a conscious effort to suppress news about how Lebanon mistreats the remaining 200,000 Palestinians who live there. This is more Palestinians than the number who live in Area C, under Israeli rule, who are in the headlines constantly.

Lebanon's direct oppression of Palestinians is consciously downplayed and ignored. Israel's much better treatment of Palestinians is highlighted and condemned, daily. 

The only conclusion one can come to is that the people screaming about human rights for Palestinians aren't really concerned about human rights for Palestinians.

They only want to use that issue as a bludgeon to go after Israel.

What is the reason why they are obsessed with blaming Israel beyond all logic and facts while ignoring the abuses that Palestinians undergo in Lebanon and the rest of the Arab world?

Apparently, those who pretend to care about human rights of Palestinians are really more concerned about denying the human rights of another people.


http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-eu-praises-lebanons-human-rights.html

Didge wrote:I am not a Christian and have never denied them their legacy, that is you denying them being Middle eastern...

Now whose playing games?  You are a christian by origin, and you just denied them at least 1,500 years of their legacy...their European history.

My god!  I just realized...that must mean you are a holocaust denier!

Double shame!

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:I am not a Christian and have never denied them their legacy, that is you denying them being Middle eastern...

Now whose playing games?  You are a christian by origin, and you just denied them at least 1,500 years of their legacy...their European history.

My god!  I just realized...that must mean you are a holocaust denier!

Double shame!

Am I?

By origin?

I have never denied them anything and you are making now a poor and quite fuckwitted argument based on guilt by association through Christianity, even though I am an athiest. You then  use the most dumbfuckwitted claim this makes me a holocaust denier. When ever have I denied the holocaust? I am the biggest outspoken person on this forum against antisemitism

Not only is that utterly dimwitted by you, it shows you deflect from  the real antisemitism that came from you

That you denied Jews their ancestry, based off again unscientific claims

The only shame here, is you exposing what a complete fuckwit you are being

So will you apologise to all Jews for your complete an utter lie denying their ancestry, being as 75% descend from  the Middle East?

I guess I will instead suffer this

Well what a surprise a Navy SeaL backs my view

Its because they know what is going on and not some dickless Texan libertarian or socialist californian fuckwit know about the problem.

He understands what i am talking about with total war, to eradicate a problem and also with education. Sadly the armchair pushers are fucking clueless



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OASgw9FiIFM

Didge wrote:I have never denied them anything...

Not anything! You just denied the entire holocaust.

Shame, shame.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:I have never denied them anything...

Not anything!  You just denied the entire holocaust.

Shame, shame.

Okay lets expose your bullshit

Show me where i denied the holocaust?

Didge wrote:Show me where i denied the holocaust?

When you denied that Jews were ever in Europe, and claimed they were indigenous peoples of the middle-east. The holocaust happened in Europe, mostly Poland.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:Show me where i denied the holocaust?

When you denied that Jews were ever in Europe, and claimed they were indigenous peoples of the middle-east.    The holocaust happened in Europe, mostly Poland.

Did I ever claim that some Jews were never in Europe?

Nope, more made up antisemitic crap from you, to divert from your rampant antisemitism

Which again exposes you as a lying antisemitic runt

You claim they were not Middle eastern, as if this means they cannot be in their historical homeland. Where 75% descend from the Middl east. You claim they were only europena, whilst backing Arab colonisors to the historical lands of Israel. Through Arabization

In other words, you wish to deny Jews being indigeneous to their lands in historical Israel

In other words, you like many on the left are the New Nazi's

So at no point did I deny the holocaust

You simple invented such a bullshit claim, to divert from yur own antisemitism, denying Jews their ancestry