is there life on mars not for the muslims..

lol..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562957/Muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-living-MARS-no-righteous-reason-there.html

no corner shops then ?

Come now guys - this is an attack on the Daily Mail by you two isn't it?

So in defence of the Mail, i'll post this, from 4 months ago:


A SAUDI sheikh has issued a fatwa against anyone wanting to travel to Mars.

A member Saudi Arabia's board of religious scholars Sheikh Ali al Hemki has criticised the Mars One project which is attempting to organise a commercial mission to the red planet and has drawnexpressions of interest from more than 200 thousand people worldwide.

The Ah Hayat newspaper quotes him as saying the mission does not conform to "responsible Muslim" practices.

"These experiments will lead to the destruction of those who try," and so should be done with animals, not people," he said.


http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/saudi-sheikh-ali-al-hemki-declares-fatwa-against-manned-missions-to-mars/story-fnjwlcze-1226750128434

proposed changes to song lyrics...

its a God awful small affair.
cos no muslims are going there,
cos the cleric is yelling "no"
and a fatwa has said they can't go...

lol

looks like mars will be a safe haven for mankind.

Puriel wrote:

looks like mars will be a safe haven for mankind.

obviously allah didn't make mars... :D 

heavenly father wrote:

Puriel wrote:

looks like mars will be a safe haven for mankind.

obviously allah didn't make mars... :D 

or Cadbury's.  

Puriel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:
obviously allah didn't make mars... :D 

or Cadbury's.  

  

heavenly father wrote:lol..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562957/Muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-living-MARS-no-righteous-reason-there.html

It is 2014 yes?!

'it would be akin to committing suicide' so is killing OK but not suicide?
What gets me is people take their word as law.
So very backward

heavenly father wrote:

Puriel wrote:


or Cadbury's.  

  

I think Muslims lay claim to the Moon though.

NemsAgain wrote:

heavenly father wrote:lol..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562957/Muslim-leaders-issue-fatwa-against-living-MARS-no-righteous-reason-there.html

It is 2014 yes?!

'it would be akin to committing suicide' so is killing OK but not suicide?
What gets me is people take their word as law.
So very backward

aah you see blowing yourself up while killing infidels is fine... :D 

Puriel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

  

I think Muslims lay claim to the Moon though.

they do know it's made of cheese don't they..

heavenly father wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I think Muslims lay claim to the Moon though.

they do know it's made of cheese don't they..

that doesnt stop them barking at it.

Puriel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

they do know it's made of cheese don't they..

that doesnt stop them barking at it.

it makes sens allah was a moon god.. :D 

Puriel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

  

I think Muslims lay claim to the Moon though.

Do they? I think going for a walk on the moon would class as suicide.

NemsAgain wrote:

Puriel wrote:



I think Muslims lay claim to the Moon though.

Do they? I think going for a walk on the moon would class as suicide.

Well, I guess we'll never know until somebody really goes there....


  

heavenly father wrote:

Puriel wrote:



that doesnt stop them barking at it.

it makes sens allah was a moon god.. :D 

I vaguely remember something about the Babylonian moon god.

BigAndy9 wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Do they? I think going for a walk on the moon would class as suicide.

Well, I guess we'll never know until somebody really goes there....


  

Dont you start with that lol!

And in the same vein, of course, ALL CHRISTIANS are against interracial marriage:



ALL CHRISTIANS think reporting rapes at a Christian university "hurts Jesus":

Until recently, students at Bob Jones University who sought counseling for sex abuse were told not to report their claims because turning in a fellow fundamentalist would damage Jesus Christ, reported the New York Times.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/bob-jones-university-stifle-sex-abuse-claims-if-you-report-it-you-hurt-the-body-of-christ/

Let's try to be a bit less bigoted, shall we?

Puriel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

it makes sens allah was a moon god.. :D 

I vaguely remember something about the Babylonian moon god.

this is a very interesting view of it..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

heavenly father wrote:

Puriel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

it makes sens allah was a moon god.. :D 

I vaguely remember something about the Babylonian moon god.

this is a very interesting view of it..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

What if I told you that there was once an ancient religion which described God as a being who:

Conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)

Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds

Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30
Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded

Had 12 disciples

Performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water

Was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”

Delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings

Was transfigured on the Mount

Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected

Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”

Was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.

Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years

Would you recognize this religious figure? Sound like someone you know? Well, of course, we are describing the figure of Horus!

http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-horus-myth/

They are all bloody mad. It so obviously a tool of control, if I ruled the world the first thing I would ban is religion - all religion.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

this is a very interesting view of it..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

What if I told you that there was once an ancient religion which described God as a being who:

Conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)

Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds

Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30
Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded

Had 12 disciples

Performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water

Was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”

Delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings

Was transfigured on the Mount

Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected

Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”

Was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.

Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years

Would you recognize this religious figure? Sound like someone you know? Well, of course, we are describing the figure of Horus!

http://pleaseconvinceme.com/2012/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-horus-myth/

i've heard the myth before and compared it and its nothing like to be honest.

heavenly father wrote:

Puriel wrote:


I vaguely remember something about the Babylonian moon god.

this is a very interesting view of it..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

(A) In pre-Islamic days, that Muslims call the Days of ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic.  Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. At Mekka, “Allah” was the chief of the gods and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life.  These three daughters of Allah (there is a Quranic verse about them) were considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their worshippers were of great significance.  



get back to you on this im just going to call allah on the telestone.

Ben_Reilly wrote:And in the same vein, of course, ALL CHRISTIANS are against interracial marriage:



ALL CHRISTIANS think reporting rapes at a Christian university "hurts Jesus":

Until recently, students at Bob Jones University who sought counseling for sex abuse were told not to report their claims because turning in a fellow fundamentalist would damage Jesus Christ, reported the New York Times.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/bob-jones-university-stifle-sex-abuse-claims-if-you-report-it-you-hurt-the-body-of-christ/

Let's try to be a bit less bigoted, shall we?

lets try to keep on topic shall we.

Puriel wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:And in the same vein, of course, ALL CHRISTIANS are against interracial marriage:



ALL CHRISTIANS think reporting rapes at a Christian university "hurts Jesus":

Until recently, students at Bob Jones University who sought counseling for sex abuse were told not to report their claims because turning in a fellow fundamentalist would damage Jesus Christ, reported the New York Times.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/12/bob-jones-university-stifle-sex-abuse-claims-if-you-report-it-you-hurt-the-body-of-christ/

Let's try to be a bit less bigoted, shall we?

lets try to keep on topic shall we.

OK, I'm sorry. A religious person made an ignorant statement about something. Obviously all religious people are fucking morons. Better?

Puriel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

this is a very interesting view of it..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

(A) In pre-Islamic days, that Muslims call the Days of ignorance, the religious background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic.  Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees, stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make contact with the deity. At Mekka, “Allah” was the chief of the gods and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice; Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of vegetable life.  These three daughters of Allah (there is a Quranic verse about them) were considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their worshippers were of great significance.  



get back to you on this im just going to call allah on the telestone.

  

The pre-Christian Europeans were the same:

Modern Heathen groups around the world are reviving these old practices and call their religion by various names including Asatru, The Northern Tradition, Odinism, Forn Sed, Germanic Pagan Reconstructionism or, simply, Heathenry. In Iceland, which did not convert to Christianity until the 11th Century, Heathenry has once again become an official (nationally recognised) religion.

Heathens work to build healthy relationships with gods and goddesses, ancestors, spirits of the land, and others in their communities, both through holy rites and through their day to day actions.

Sources

There are literary sources that tell us how Heathenry was practised before the advent of Christianity. The main such sources include medieval Icelandic Eddas and Sagas, Anglo-Saxon poetry, the works of the 8th century English monk Saint Bede, and the Germania by the Roman historian Tacitus.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/paganism/subdivisions/heathenry_1.shtml

you might like this then..

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/143-roddy/840-allah-was-originally-a-pre-muslim-arabian-moon-god.html

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Puriel wrote:



lets try to keep on topic shall we.

OK, I'm sorry. A religious person made an ignorant statement about something. Obviously all religious people are fucking morons. Better?

calm down dear its only a forum .

heavenly father wrote:you might like this then..

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/143-roddy/840-allah-was-originally-a-pre-muslim-arabian-moon-god.html

See, this is where you fail, because your source is an anti-Islam hate site, while mine is the BBC.

You guys also seem unable to confront the difficulty of establishing the roots of a deity that is actually just called "God"! "Allah" in the Arabic language means "God," and it did for a long time before the rise of Islam:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[11] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[12] The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply 'God'.[13] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah (Punjabi: ਅਲਹੁ) is used 37 times.[14]
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[15][16] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:you might like this then..

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/143-roddy/840-allah-was-originally-a-pre-muslim-arabian-moon-god.html

See, this is where you fail, because your source is an anti-Islam hate site, while mine is the BBC.

You guys also seem unable to confront the difficulty of establishing the roots of a deity that is actually just called "God"! "Allah" in the Arabic language means "God," and it did for a long time before the rise of Islam:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[11] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[12] The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply 'God'.[13] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah (Punjabi: ਅਲਹੁ) is used 37 times.[14]
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[15][16] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

oh dear arguing source..lol

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:you might like this then..

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/143-roddy/840-allah-was-originally-a-pre-muslim-arabian-moon-god.html

See, this is where you fail, because your source is an anti-Islam hate site, while mine is the BBC.

You guys also seem unable to confront the difficulty of establishing the roots of a deity that is actually just called "God"! "Allah" in the Arabic language means "God," and it did for a long time before the rise of Islam:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[11] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[12] The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply 'God'.[13] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah (Punjabi: ਅਲਹੁ) is used 37 times.[14]
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[15][16] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

oh dear arguing source..lol

So to you, are all sources equally reliable? Because that would explain a lot. LOL

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:you might like this then..

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/143-roddy/840-allah-was-originally-a-pre-muslim-arabian-moon-god.html

See, this is where you fail, because your source is an anti-Islam hate site, while mine is the BBC.

You guys also seem unable to confront the difficulty of establishing the roots of a deity that is actually just called "God"! "Allah" in the Arabic language means "God," and it did for a long time before the rise of Islam:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[11] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[12] The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply 'God'.[13] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah (Punjabi: ਅਲਹੁ) is used 37 times.[14]
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[15][16] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

the BBC.




              

Puriel wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:you might like this then..

http://www.islam-watch.org/authors/143-roddy/840-allah-was-originally-a-pre-muslim-arabian-moon-god.html

See, this is where you fail, because your source is an anti-Islam hate site, while mine is the BBC.

You guys also seem unable to confront the difficulty of establishing the roots of a deity that is actually just called "God"! "Allah" in the Arabic language means "God," and it did for a long time before the rise of Islam:

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).[11] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[12] The corresponding Aramaic form is ʼĔlāhā ܐܠܗܐ in Biblical Aramaic and ʼAlâhâ ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply 'God'.[13] Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural form (but functional singular) Elohim. In the Sikh scriptures, Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah (Punjabi: ਅਲਹੁ) is used 37 times.[14]
The name was previously used by pagan Meccans as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.[15][16] The concepts associated with the term Allah (as a deity) differ among religious traditions. In pre-Islamic Arabia amongst pagan Arabs, Allah was not considered the sole divinity, having associates and companions, sons and daughters–a concept that was deleted under the process of Islamization. In Islam, the name Allah is the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name, and all other divine names are believed to refer back to Allah.

the BBC.




              

So are you arguing that the BBC cannot be trusted to give an accurate account of what the pre-Christian religions of Europe were?

Do these things make sense to you in your head before you type them out?

i wouldn't trust the bbc to say hat day it was but thats me..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

this is from people who know..

heavenly father wrote:i wouldn't trust the bbc to say hat day it was but thats me..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

this is from people who know..

Yes, Arabs were considered "pagans" before being converted to Islam, just as Europeans were considered "pagans" before converting to Christianity.

You do know that Christianity is a younger religion and took some time to spread, don't you? Or did you think that Europeans were somehow "always" Christian?

Do you know where Easter, Christmas and Halloween come from? Did you know they were celebrated before Christianity spread to Europe?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:i wouldn't trust the bbc to say hat day it was but thats me..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

this is from people who know..

Yes, Arabs were considered "pagans" before being converted to Islam, just as Europeans were considered "pagans" before converting to Christianity.

You do know that Christianity is a younger religion and took some time to spread, don't you? Or did you think that Europeans were somehow "always" Christian?

Do you know where Easter, Christmas and Halloween come from? Did you know they were celebrated before Christianity spread to Europe?

no i don't lol.. :D 

by the way my source was from those who should know, hope you read it properly.

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:i wouldn't trust the bbc to say hat day it was but thats me..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

this is from people who know..

Yes, Arabs were considered "pagans" before being converted to Islam, just as Europeans were considered "pagans" before converting to Christianity.

You do know that Christianity is a younger religion and took some time to spread, don't you? Or did you think that Europeans were somehow "always" Christian?

Do you know where Easter, Christmas and Halloween come from? Did you know they were celebrated before Christianity spread to Europe?

no i don't lol.. :D 

by the way my source was from those who should know, hope you read it properly.

Really? You didn't know Europe wasn't always Christian?

Also, your source just documents how people worshiped in the Arab world before Islam. I don't think it proves what you think it proves.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Also, your source just documents how people worshiped in the Arab world before Islam. I don't think it proves what you think it proves.

i think it does prove allah was an ancient moon god. :D 

Yule or Yuletide ("Yule time") is a Pagan religious festival observed by the historical North Germanic peoples (Scandinavians), later being absorbed into and equated with the Christian festival of Christmas. The earliest references to Yule are by way of indigenous Germanic month names Ærra Jéola (Before Yule) or Jiuli and Æftera Jéola (After Yule). Scholars have connected the celebration to the Wild Hunt, the god Odin and the pagan Anglo-Saxon Modranicht.
Terms with an etymological equivalent to Yule are used in the Nordic countries for Christmas with its religious rites, but also for the holidays of this season. Yule is also used to a lesser extent in English-speaking countries to refer to Christmas. Customs such as the Yule log, Yule goat, Yule boar, Yule singing, and others stem from Yule. A number of Neopagans have introduced their own rites.

The modern English term Easter, cognate with modern German Ostern, developed from the Old English word Ēastre or Ēostre.[nb 2] This is generally held to have originally referred to the name of an Anglo-Saxon goddess, Ēostre, a form of the widely attested Indo-European dawn goddess.

Historian Nicholas Rogers, exploring the origins of Halloween, notes that while "some folklorists have detected its origins in the Roman feast of Pomona, the goddess of fruits and seeds, or in the festival of the dead called Parentalia, it is more typically linked to the Celtic festival of Samhain", which comes from the Old Irish for "summer's end".[23] Samhain (pronounced sah-win or sow-in) was the first and most important of the four quarter days in the medieval Gaelic calendar and was celebrated in Ireland, Scotland and the Isle of Man.[26][27] It was held on or about 31 October – 1 November and kindred festivals were held at the same time of year by the Brittonic Celts; for example Calan Gaeaf (in Wales), Kalan Gwav (in Cornwall) and Kalan Goañv (in Brittany). Samhain and Calan Gaeaf are mentioned in some of the earliest Irish and Welsh literature. The names have been used by historians to refer to Celtic Halloween customs up until the 19th century,[28] and are still the Gaelic and Welsh names for Halloween.

Oh, and why did you originally put this in News: Continental Europe? It has nothing to do with Continental Europe.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Oh, and why did you originally put this in News: Continental Europe? It has nothing to do with Continental Europe.

it was in our papers and to be honest i get confused with the categories here, you are welcome to move it, I really don't mind...

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Also, your source just documents how people worshiped in the Arab world before Islam. I don't think it proves what you think it proves.

i think it does prove allah was an ancient moon god. :D 

So what? "Allah" was the word used for "God" throughout much of the ancient Middle East, for a number of different deities. It just means "God" in Arabic.

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Oh, and why did you originally put this in News: Continental Europe? It has nothing to do with Continental Europe.

it was in our papers and to be honest i get confused with the categories here, you are welcome to move it, I really don't mind...

So you live in Continental Europe do you?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:i wouldn't trust the bbc to say hat day it was but thats me..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

this is from people who know..

Yes, Arabs were considered "pagans" before being converted to Islam, just as Europeans were considered "pagans" before converting to Christianity.

You do know that Christianity is a younger religion and took some time to spread, don't you? Or did you think that Europeans were somehow "always" Christian?

Do you know where Easter, Christmas and Halloween come from? Did you know they were celebrated before Christianity spread to Europe?

Sorry 'younger religion' is that 'than' or what?

Vintage wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:i wouldn't trust the bbc to say hat day it was but thats me..

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/skm30804.htm

this is from people who know..

Yes, Arabs were considered "pagans" before being converted to Islam, just as Europeans were considered "pagans" before converting to Christianity.

You do know that Christianity is a younger religion and took some time to spread, don't you? Or did you think that Europeans were somehow "always" Christian?

Do you know where Easter, Christmas and Halloween come from? Did you know they were celebrated before Christianity spread to Europe?

Sorry 'younger religion' is that 'than' or what?

Well, younger than every major religion besides Islam and Buddhism. Far younger than Hinduism and Judaism, or any of the "pagan" religions that were followed in, say, Classical Greece, the Roman Empire or any of the civilizations that came before.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Oh, and why did you originally put this in News: Continental Europe? It has nothing to do with Continental Europe.

Maybe because you don't have a section for News: Mars?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Puriel wrote:



lets try to keep on topic shall we.

OK, I'm sorry. A religious person made an ignorant statement about something. Obviously all religious people are fucking morons. Better?

Much better lol