Terror cops raid suspect's home after knifeman screaming 'Long Live the Caliphate' stabs cop and couple on New Year's Eve

COPS have today raided a flat in Manchester as they widened their investigation into last night’s “frenzied” New Year’s Eve terror attack.

Three people, including a British Transport Police officer, were injured when a 25-year-old man attacked them on a platform at Manchester Victoria Station around 9pm.

The man was also heard screaming the phrase “Allahu Akbar” – Arabic for “God is great” – and “long live the Caliphate” – a possible reference to ISIS – during his arrest.


Today police were also pictured raiding a home in Cheetham Hill – a poor, ethnically diverse neighbourhood just north of the city centre – where they believe the suspect lived.

Resident Nousha Babaakachel, 40, said a Somali family live at the address, a mother and father of five, in their 40s, who came to live in the street around 12 years ago from the Netherlands.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8094731/manchester-stabbing-victoria-station-terror-allahu-akbar/

Could be anything.

Original Quill wrote:Could be anything.

The guy is Somalian and a fanatic.

But you can't generalize from specifics. Not all Somalis are fanatics, are they?

Original Quill wrote:Could be anything.

True...but one has to ask, whats the most likely.....

Original Quill wrote:But you can't generalize from specifics.  Not all Somalis are fanatics, are they?

When they stab people in the head with a twelve inch knife shrieking, "Allahu Akbar, this is for the Caliphate"...I'd say it was a given.

Original Quill wrote:But you can't generalize from specifics.  Not all Somalis are fanatics, are they?

Who generalised?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:But you can't generalize from specifics.  Not all Somalis are fanatics, are they?

Who generalised?

Nobody.

We're talking about one Somalian not the whole country.

The statement that Cheetham Hill is a poor area is only partly true. Parts of it are not just rough but dangerous, but parts of it are affluent with a high Jewish community.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:But you can't generalize from specifics.  Not all Somalis are fanatics, are they?

When they stab people in the head with a twelve inch knife shrieking,  "Allahu Akbar, this is for the Caliphate"...I'd say it was a given.

What is a given? My guess would be a mental derangement. Probably needs to be committed.

But not simply because he is a Somali.

Are all Islamist terrorists 'mentally ill'...!?


Or is it 'only a few'...!?

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

When they stab people in the head with a twelve inch knife shrieking,  "Allahu Akbar, this is for the Caliphate"...I'd say it was a given.

What is a given?  My guess would be a mental derangement.  Probably needs to be committed.

But not simply because he is a Somali.

It's a given that anyone who is fanatical has mental health issues. Are you saying any normal sane person would not be a fanatic intent on killing in the name of Allah?

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

When they stab people in the head with a twelve inch knife shrieking,  "Allahu Akbar, this is for the Caliphate"...I'd say it was a given.

What is a given?  My guess would be a mental derangement.  Probably needs to be committed.

But not simply because he is a Somali.

It's pretty transparent what you're doing here.  You're trying to make an issue out of the fact that I've had the temerity to point out this nutter is Somali.   It doesn't matter if he's fucking sky blue pink.   He's a fanatic trying to kill people in the name of Islam.    He could just as easily been Egyptian or Irish or British.   Then I would still have said....He's Egyptian, Irish or British.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What is a given?  My guess would be a mental derangement.  Probably needs to be committed.

But not simply because he is a Somali.

It's pretty transparent what you're doing here.  You're trying to make an issue out of the fact that I've had the temerity to point out this nutter is Somali.   It doesn't matter if he's fucking sky blue pink.   He's a fanatic trying to kill people in the name of Islam.    He could just as easily been Egyptian or Irish or British.   Then I would still have said....He's Egyptian, Irish or British.

It's not you.  Tommy started the thread.  He seems to be transferring the intent from a single person, to the Islamic culture as a whole.  That's the import of my comment: you can't generalize from specifics.

You just stepped in when he went out for tea.

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

It's pretty transparent what you're doing here.  You're trying to make an issue out of the fact that I've had the temerity to point out this nutter is Somali.   It doesn't matter if he's fucking sky blue pink.   He's a fanatic trying to kill people in the name of Islam.    He could just as easily been Egyptian or Irish or British.   Then I would still have said....He's Egyptian, Irish or British.

It's not you.  Tommy started the thread.  He seems to be transferring the intent from a single person, to the Islamic culture as a whole.  That's the import of my comment: you can't generalize from specifics.

You just stepped in when he went out for tea.

Where has he transferred the intent?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It's not you.  Tommy started the thread.  He seems to be transferring the intent from a single person, to the Islamic culture as a whole.  That's the import of my comment: you can't generalize from specifics.

You just stepped in when he went out for tea.

Where has he transferred the intent?    

"Transferred intent" is a legal term, speaking about causation in torts.

Tommy is notorious for selecting stories about individuals, who are coincidentally Muslims, and then shifting the intent to mean they did it because they are Muslims.

I don't know if it's technically correct, but that's what I meant by 'transferred intent'.

Not much coincidental about it, almost exclusively, give or take a few political nutjobs, it is because they are Muslim or supposed to be and have read the intent in certain verses or had them pointed out to them in such a way that they believe they are directed to do this kind of thing to bring about the House of Peace ie the whole world becoming Muslim thereby having universal peace because everyone is Muslim and lives by the prophets commands - seems to be working well in most Muslim majority countries so far doesn't it, Shia fighting Sunni, everybody hates Ahmadiyya Muslims (apostates) etc etc and of course its always someone else fault. It doesn't mean every Muslim is at fault although a suprising number in Britain seem to agree with the aim, if not as many with the method, there are a scary percentage that also agree with the method and a whole lot who would not 'shop' another Muslim for any reason including terrorism, a lot want Sharia law to replace British law, they seem to have forgotten the prophet instructed them to obey the law of the land they live in when it is not an Islamic Country.

Vintage wrote:Not much coincidental about it, almost exclusively, give or take a few political nutjobs, it is because they are Muslim or supposed to be and have read the intent in certain verses or had them pointed out to them in such a way that they believe they are directed to do this kind of thing to bring about the House of Peace ie the whole world becoming Muslim thereby having universal peace because everyone is Muslim and lives by the prophets commands - seems to be working well in most Muslim majority countries so far doesn't it, Shia fighting Sunni, everybody hates Ahmadiyya Muslims (apostates) etc etc and of course its always someone else fault. It doesn't mean every Muslim is at fault although a suprising number in Britain seem to agree with the aim, if not as many with the method, there are a scary percentage that also agree with the method and a whole lot who would not 'shop' another Muslim for any reason including terrorism, a lot want Sharia law to replace British law, they seem to have forgotten the prophet instructed them to obey the law of the land they live in when it is not an Islamic Country.

Eh...prove it.

He is suffering from "Mental Health Issues", bullshit, he's a TERRORIST, should have been SHOT on sight !

His younger brother has been sent back to Somalia after being excluded from school following an incident involving a knife.

His older brother is a security worker at Manchester airport.

Great.

Security Worker at Airport ? Who gave him a job ?

nicko wrote:He is suffering from "Mental Health Issues",   bullshit, he's a TERRORIST,   should have been SHOT on sight !

What will that accomplish? If your answer to Islam is to shoot every one, you will need 1.6-billion bullets. Pretty expensive.

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:He is suffering from "Mental Health Issues",   bullshit, he's a TERRORIST,   should have been SHOT on sight !

What will that accomplish?  If your answer to Islam is to shoot every one, you will need 1.6-billion bullets.  Pretty expensive.

Not every follower of the Islamic faith is a terrorist, so why would he need 1.6 billion bullets?

nicko wrote:Security Worker at Airport ?    Who gave him a job ?

Well I along with millions of others pass through that airport fairly often, so I hope to God he isnt of the same twisted mindset as his siblings.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What will that accomplish?  If your answer to Islam is to shoot every one, you will need 1.6-billion bullets.  Pretty expensive.

Not every follower of the Islamic faith is a terrorist, so why would he need  1.6 billion bullets?

Now you are making my point. There are many who feel that all Muslims are terrorists, and should "be SHOT on sight". I'm just pointing out that to treat all Muslims as terrorists could be expensive.

It would be less expensive if we spent a little time studying which really are terrorists, instead of jumping to immediate conclusions.

Quills unbalanced reasoning for all to see

If the terrorist is Far right, all condemn the terrorist and we then see Quill go into full political mode against the right

When its an Islamist terrorist. Quill not only fails to condemn, but avoids the actual terrorism that has occured and even worse goes into dfensive mode, that its not an Islamic terrorist attack

That is what you class as an Islamic extremist apologist

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

Not every follower of the Islamic faith is a terrorist, so why would he need  1.6 billion bullets?

Now you are making my point.  There are many who feel that all Muslims are terrorists, and should "be SHOT on sight".   I'm just pointing out that to treat all Muslims as terrorists could be expensive.

It would be less expensive if we spent a little time studying which really are terrorists, instead of jumping to immediate conclusions.

But you made your comment after Nicko wrote...
"He is suffering from "Mental Health Issues", bullshit, he's a TERRORIST, should have been SHOT on sight !"

He was obviously referring to the terrorist at the Manchester train station, not every Muslim.

Only you are implying that anyone thinks all Muslims are terrorists.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Now you are making my point.  There are many who feel that all Muslims are terrorists, and should "be SHOT on sight".   I'm just pointing out that to treat all Muslims as terrorists could be expensive.

It would be less expensive if we spent a little time studying which really are terrorists, instead of jumping to immediate conclusions.

But you made your comment after Nicko wrote...
"He is suffering from "Mental Health Issues",   bullshit, he's a TERRORIST,   should have been SHOT on sight !"

He was obviously referring to the terrorist at the Manchester train station, not every Muslim.

Only you are implying that anyone thinks all Muslims are terrorists.  

Yes, and I'm right. Much as they'd like to deny it, when it is put to "anyone" so starkly, they always come back and assume that if it's Muslim, it's terrorism. It's a problem, as with any political/cultural/racial stigma.

Oh god Quill, what ever is wrong with you ?You seem to live in your own insulated bubble. Come out of it and experience the real World !

nicko wrote:Oh god Quill, what ever is wrong with you ?You seem to live in your own insulated bubble.  Come out of it and experience the real World !

I disagree.

Why am I not surprised ?

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Where has he transferred the intent?    

"Transferred intent" is a legal term, speaking about causation in torts.

Tommy is notorious for selecting stories about individuals, who are coincidentally Muslims, and then shifting the intent to mean they did it because they are Muslims.

I don't know if it's technically correct, but that's what I meant by 'transferred intent'.

Well, if he was crying out Allah Akbar this is for the Caliphate, he was doing it because he was Muslim, albeit a deranged one. Why would a Catholic do that, or someone who was Jewish?

nicko wrote:He is suffering from "Mental Health Issues",   bullshit, he's a TERRORIST,   should have been SHOT on sight !

Ironically, in a Muslim country that is exactly what would have happened. Look at Egypt. They shot dead 40 suspects when a terrorist blew up a bus at Giza.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

"Transferred intent" is a legal term, speaking about causation in torts.

Tommy is notorious for selecting stories about individuals, who are coincidentally Muslims, and then shifting the intent to mean they did it because they are Muslims.

I don't know if it's technically correct, but that's what I meant by 'transferred intent'.

Well, if he was crying out Allah Akbar this is for the Caliphate, he was doing it because he was Muslim, albeit a deranged one.    Why would a Catholic do that, or someone who was Jewish?

How many times to you hear a Christian say, Oh my God?

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Well, if he was crying out Allah Akbar this is for the Caliphate, he was doing it because he was Muslim, albeit a deranged one.    Why would a Catholic do that, or someone who was Jewish?

How many times to you hear a Christian say, Oh my God?

When trying to stab mutiple people?

Zero

Thor wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

How many times to you hear a Christian say, Oh my God?

When trying to stab mutiple people?

Zero

Or God damn you; or Jesus Christ, etc.; just like Islam, there's a curse for every occasion, but it always draws upon a reference to the deity.

So I don't think allahu akbar is that unusual, nor is it limited to killing someone.  Probably just a common, everyday expression for all occasions.

I think that's a real stretch on your part, for most people attacking someone else its more likely to be a swear word i should think.

The phrase means God is Great, usually used when killing a Christian !

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:
But you made your comment after Nicko wrote...
"He is suffering from "Mental Health Issues",   bullshit, he's a TERRORIST,   should have been SHOT on sight !"

He was obviously referring to the terrorist at the Manchester train station, not every Muslim.

Only you are implying that anyone thinks all Muslims are terrorists.  

Yes, and I'm right.  Much as they'd like to deny it, when it is put to "anyone" so starkly, they always come back and assume that if it's Muslim, it's terrorism.  It's a problem, as with any political/cultural/racial stigma.

What we are seeing here, from the usual suspects among our British xenophobes faction, is the braying of their mindless and unthinking 'mob mentality', just like we've witnessed before on other forums...

IF the perpetrators are Arabic or African, they're automatically Muslim, and if they are Muslim then of course they will be 'terrorists' --  that's only 'natural'..

IF the suspect(s) are non-Muslim and non-Arabic, then maybe "mental illness" can be considered a factor --  but if a dusky-skinned and bearded individual is reported to have been heard chanting Islamist phrases, then of course it's an Islamist terrorist --  and all human rights and due process should be out the window, and any and all suspected Islamist 'terrorists' should be sxecuted on the spot, and anyone who even looks Foreign should be immediately deported.

The "not all Muslims are 'terrorists', but all terrorists are Muslims  !" mantra should be their club motto..

Tommy, Thor and the Hens Club harridans seem to be united on this issue --  so of course they must be right !  For when are they ever wrong in their collective 'wisdom'...        

nicko wrote:The phrase means God is Great,   usually used when killing a Christian !

I agree it means 'God is Great'.  I do not agree that it is used generally "when killing a Christian".  It is probably used like we use the phrase, Great God!  For example, in a heavy rainstorm a person might say: Great God, this is some downpour".  It's just a familiar exclamation.

I think, more probably, westerners repeat the phrase to taint their stories with an anti-Islamic hue.

"..usually used when killing a Christian."

Garbage;  pure and simple..

Most victims of Islamist terrorism are Muslims from other sects and ethic groups, often women and children...

Then there are Jews, Hindus and other historical enemies..

Then, you get to the "Christians", atheists and various "Westerner" targets --  and here I would argue that a lot of propagandists and proselytisers claiming to be "Christians" after the event,  are anything but ! ,  when you look at their own behaviour..      

Your both full of shit and know fuck all about Muslim Terrorists !

nicko wrote:Your both full of shit and know fuck all about Muslim Terrorists !

Neither do you, nicko. You are involved in new tribalism.

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:Your both full of shit and know fuck all about Muslim Terrorists !

Neither do you, nicko.  You are involved in new tribalism.

The police are treating it as a terrorist attack.....could that be because it was a terrorist attack, or do the Manchester police force belong to this braying clutch of imaginary racists that you and wetwipe often speak about too?

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Neither do you, nicko.  You are involved in new tribalism.

The police are treating it as a terrorist attack.....could that be because it was a terrorist attack, or do the Manchester police force  belong to this braying clutch of imaginary racists that you and wetwipe often speak about too?    

Factual decisions--such as, was it terrorism--are up to a jury. In the Anglo system, juries decide facts, and judges decide law.

The police are parties in the system, representing the state. Thus, it is their "claim" that it is a terrorist act.

But what nicko said did not pertain to this case. He was talking about "fuck all about Muslim Terrorism" not "fuck all about this case".

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:The phrase means God is Great,   usually used when killing a
Christian !

I agree it means 'God is Great'.  I do not agree that it is used generally "when killing a Christian".  It is probably used like we use the phrase, Great God!  For example, in a heavy rainstorm a person might say: Great God, this is some downpour".  It's just a familiar exclamation.

I think, more probably, westerners repeat the phrase to taint their stories with an anti-Islamic hue.

What a load of old rubbish.

Original Quill wrote:

Thor wrote:

When trying to stab mutiple people?

Zero

Or God damn you; or Jesus Christ, etc.; just like Islam, there's a curse for every occasion, but it always draws upon a reference to the deity.

So I don't think allahu akbar is that unusual, nor is it limited to killing someone.  Probably just a common, everyday expression for all occasions.

The last proper time Christians invoke God, when killing people was during the crusades and the conquests of the Americas

Yet even today, Muslims have been invoking their gods name, when they kill people

That is over 1400 years of doing this

So its certainly not unusual for Muslims to invoke when they murder people.