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Post by Guest Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:57 pm

A South Korean court has made a landmark ruling on how it is illegal to kill dogs for their meat – and it could pave the way for a national ban.

Though dog meat consumption in South Korea has been a controversial topic of cultural discussion, the practice has been on the decline. 70% of South Koreans already refuse to eat dog meat thanks to pressure from animal rights activists and Western influences.

Though the nation has not banned dog meat consumption altogether, they have passed smaller laws that force vendors to conform to high standards of hygiene, facility conditions, and animal treatment.

This most recent ruling, however, could be a game-changer. Animal rights organization Coexistence of Animal Rights on Earth (CARE) took legal action against a dog meat farmer who was accused of maintaining poor hygienic conditions and harming animals “without proper reason.” Though the case took place in April, details of the ruling were only released this week.

In addition to fining and convicting the farmer without an appeal, the court ruled that food was not a proper reason for killing canines.

“It is very significant in that it is the first court decision that killing dogs for dog meat is illegal itself,” said Kim Kyung-eun, a lawyer with CARE, adding that the precedent has “paved the way for outlawing dog meat consumption entirely.”

CARE hopes that the historic decision will soon lead to a national ban on dog meat consumption. Until then, they say that they plan on continuing their efforts to investigate and expose meat farmers who are violating animal rights regulations.

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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:56 am

Ah. So dogs are higher beings than a cow, or a pig, or a baby sheep, or a deer, or a rabbit....?
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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:09 am

eddie wrote:Ah. So dogs are higher beings than a cow, or a pig, or a baby sheep, or a deer, or a rabbit....?

Yep, just like horses. Dogs have been a monumental influence on human history ever since the days they began, unlike any cow, sheep, pig, chicken, deer or rabbit, to help us hunt for food that we and the dogs then shared.

Horses, the same thing -- they have helped us hunt (and unfortunately wage war) as well as explore new lands. There is a special bond between people and dogs, and people and horses, and it is that bond that make eating them taboo.
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:13 am

Yes those are all lovely reasons (see, excuses).
And you’re also saying that an animal is only as good as it’s “use” to you, as a human.
That’s not very “animal-loving”of you!

And, what are you gonna do when the animal activists start winning when they convince people not to eat cows?
You gonna back them up if they find a nice “Romantic historical story” about cows and their use to humans?


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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:16 am

eddie wrote:Yes those are all lovely reasons (see, excuses).
And you’re also saying that an animal is only as good as it’s “use” to you, as a human.
That’s not very “animal-loving”of you!

And, what are you gonna do when the animal activists start winning when they convince people not to eat cows?
You gonna back them up if they find a nice “Romantic historical story” about cows and their use to humans?



All right, then, you know what else is an animal? A spider! So what are you gonna do when the animal rights activists have saved all the cows and sheep and pigs, and they've gotten a bit bored and made it illegal to kill a spider in your house?

Huh??? Wink
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:18 am

I’m gonna kill them, Ben Reilly, and go to prison.
But you know what I won’t do?

Eat one and then claim say that I love all spiders.
And all insects.

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eddie wrote:I’m gonna kill them, Ben Reilly, and go to prison.
But you know what I won’t do?

Eat one and then claim say that I love all spiders.
And all insects.


Well, why claim that eating animals means you hate animals in the first place?

Lions eat all sorts of animals, not because they hate them. It's just natural.
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:22 am

Ah, I see. Do they also have the choice of choosing which animals they consider “better” because of historical facts?

Do lions even have a bias, like humans?

Not a very good comparison, to be fair.
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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:25 am

Of course they don't, they just follow nature. People eating animals also follows nature; it's something we've done ever since we first evolved, when we hunted animals, to this day, when we raise them for food. And of course when you have the power to raise animals for food you choose which ones you want to eat.

We also don't cultivate wolves, gorillas, giraffes or sharks for food. Does that mean we love sharks more than sheep? Of course not.
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:31 am

Okay. I am starting to understand the ways of “caring about animals”. It’s okay to eat some - for various reasons still a little unclear to me - but not okay to eat others.

So really, when people say “I love animals” but continue to eat them and allow them to be mistreated, they only mean certain ones that are personal to them.


By the way, if they do make killing spiders illegal dude....what am I going to dooooooo? Neutral

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:35 am

eddie wrote:Okay. I am starting to understand the ways of “caring about animals”. It’s okay to eat some - for various reasons still a little unclear to me - but not okay to eat others.

So really, when people say “I love animals” but continue to eat them and allow them to be mistreated, they only mean certain ones that are personal to them.


By the way, if they do make killing spiders illegal dude....what am I going to dooooooo? Neutral


Well, many people, including myself, don't agree with mistreatment of animals. If I had the power, I would absolutely ensure that no animal was ever mistreated again, ever.

But that doesn't mean that I must then agree that the mere act of killing an animal for food means that I don't care about animals; that's patently false. If it weren't for the killing and eating of animals, none of us might very well be here today. Survival is every living thing's top priority.

And you know that if you were starving, you wouldn't care about eating a cow, a pig, a sheep, a dog or possibly even a human being. Razz
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:41 am

If I were starving I’d eat an animal. I’ve never said I wouldn’t? I don’t claim to be an “animal lover” as you know.

But I am going to repeat this because I do think that this is the nearest conclusion I can reach:


Okay. I am starting to understand the ways of “caring about animals”. It’s okay to eat some - for various reasons still a little unclear to me - but not okay to eat others.

So really, when people say “I love animals” but continue to eat them and allow them to be mistreated, they only mean certain ones that are personal to them.

And by the way, when I say I am not an “animal lover” I get hounded, but I am actually the only one who seems to see all of them as equal.

How odd.
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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:43 am

Very odd, because clearly animals aren't all equal, even to you. You wouldn't step on a puppy or a kitten that was annoying you, but you'll step on a spider without feeling a thing. So yeah, even you consider some animals better than others.

Mic drop.
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:45 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Very odd, because clearly animals aren't all equal, even to you. You wouldn't step on a puppy or a kitten that was annoying you, but you'll step on a spider without feeling a thing. So yeah, even you consider some animals better than others.

Mic drop.

I don’t like insects. Puppies or kittens aren’t insects.



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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:48 am

eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Very odd, because clearly animals aren't all equal, even to you. You wouldn't step on a puppy or a kitten that was annoying you, but you'll step on a spider without feeling a thing. So yeah, even you consider some animals better than others.

Mic drop.

I don’t like insects. Puppies or kittens aren’t insects.




So insects, though absolutely being a type of animal, are lesser to you than mammals. So you're just like everybody else.
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:13 am

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Very odd, because clearly animals aren't all equal, even to you. You wouldn't step on a puppy or a kitten that was annoying you, but you'll step on a spider without feeling a thing. So yeah, even you consider some animals better than others.

Mic drop.

I don’t like insects. Puppies or kittens aren’t insects.




So insects, though absolutely being a type of animal, are lesser to you than mammals. So you're just like everybody else.

You’re right. I am not treating all living creatures equally. I can’t make you wrong actually, so I concede that point.

I think my whole point in this particular debate (and most debates because you know me well) is that nothing is black and white and we are all flawed.
Nothing can me used as a blanket statement.




And for all those who think I hate animals, I actually really don’t.
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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:14 am

eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Very odd, because clearly animals aren't all equal, even to you. You wouldn't step on a puppy or a kitten that was annoying you, but you'll step on a spider without feeling a thing. So yeah, even you consider some animals better than others.

Mic drop.

I don’t like insects. Puppies or kittens aren’t insects.




So insects, though absolutely being a type of animal, are lesser to you than mammals. So you're just like everybody else.

You’re right. I am not treating all living creatures equally. I can’t make you wrong actually, so I concede that point.

I think my whole point in this particular debate (and most debates because you know me well) is that nothing is black and white and we are all flawed.
Nothing can me used as a blanket statement.




And for all those who think I hate animals, I actually really don’t.

Very well said Smile
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Post by Guest Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:18 am

eddie wrote:
Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:

So insects, though absolutely being a type of animal, are lesser to you than mammals. So you're just like everybody else.

You’re right. I am not treating all living creatures equally. I can’t make you wrong actually, so I concede that point.

I think my whole point in this particular debate (and most debates because you know me well) is that nothing is black and white and we are all flawed.
Nothing can me used as a blanket statement.




And for all those who think I hate animals, I actually really don’t.

I wonder Eddie, if those fears started with Itsy Bitsy Spider  Laughing



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Post by 'Wolfie Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:45 am

eddie wrote:
Ah. So dogs are higher beings than a cow, or a pig, or a baby sheep, or a deer, or a rabbit....?

Arrow

Dogs and cats are also omnivorous "carnivores" (as are sharks, bears and crocodiles..) -- top of the 'food chain'..

(And people silly enough to eat offal and fat from high-end predators often will often inadvertently poison themselves with vit-A overdoses -- yet another reason not to eat carnivores..).
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Post by 'Wolfie Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:53 am

eddie wrote:If I were starving I’d eat an animal. I’ve never said I wouldn’t? I don’t claim to be an “animal lover” as you know.

But I am going to repeat this because I do think that this is the nearest conclusion I can reach:


Okay. I am starting to understand the ways of “caring about animals”. It’s okay to eat some - for various reasons still a little unclear to me - but not okay to eat others.

So really, when people say “I love animals” but continue to eat them and allow them to be mistreated, they only mean certain ones that are personal to them.

And by the way, when I say I am not an “animal lover” I get hounded, but I am actually the only one who seems to see all of them as equal.

How odd.

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You consider "all (animals) as equal..", do you, eddie  ???

Just "some more equal than others"  -- how very Orwellian/'Animal Farm' of you..

You will happily kill spiders and insects, mice and rats  --  yet constantly frown upon and criticise those who kill to eat/live/survive.
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Post by HoratioTarr Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:15 pm

I've read time and again that dogs are killed or tortured to death because they believe the agony makes the meat taste better. Boiling dogs alive in woks and worse? Nobody should be allowed to do that.
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:06 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
eddie wrote:If I were starving I’d eat an animal. I’ve never said I wouldn’t? I don’t claim to be an “animal lover” as you know.

But I am going to repeat this because I do think that this is the nearest conclusion I can reach:


Okay. I am starting to understand the ways of “caring about animals”. It’s okay to eat some - for various reasons still a little unclear to me - but not okay to eat others.

So really, when people say “I love animals” but continue to eat them and allow them to be mistreated, they only mean certain ones that are personal to them.

And by the way, when I say I am not an “animal lover” I get hounded, but I am actually the only one who seems to see all of them as equal.

How odd.

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You consider "all (animals) as equal..", do you, eddie  ???

Just "some more equal than others"  -- how very Orwellian/'Animal Farm' of you..

You will happily kill spiders and insects, mice and rats  --  yet constantly frown upon and criticise those who kill to eat/live/survive.

I wonder how much time you would save me, the forum and yourself, if you bothered to read threads before you posted?

What a wonderment.
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Post by veya_victaous Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:10 am

HoratioTarr wrote:   I've read time and again that dogs are killed or tortured to death because they believe the agony makes the meat taste better.  Boiling dogs alive in woks and worse?   Nobody should be allowed to do that.  


But it is largely untrue, just propaganda from misguided Animal rights activists that have separated themselves from nature Wink

its' no different than Sheep or Cows, except the long term sentimentality towards certain species because of the use they used to serve.
This is why Hindus don't eat Cows, in the wet and warm lands of India horses are ill suited to pulling ploughs, while Bullocks are good at it.
without bullocks you couldn't farm the Indian farmlands.


For the record:
I have eaten Dog meat (pretty sure). I love Dogs.
I would eat spiders (probably have) I love spiders.

I eat Kangaroo, I love Kangaroos and I was almost killed by one kamikazing my ute last week.... Circle of life geek
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Post by 'Wolfie Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:57 am

eddie wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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You consider "all (animals) as equal..", do you, eddie  ???

Just "some more equal than others"  -- how very Orwellian/'Animal Farm' of you..

You will happily kill spiders and insects, mice and rats  --  yet constantly frown upon and criticise those who kill to eat/live/survive.

I wonder how much time you would save me, the forum and yourself, if you bothered to read threads before you posted?

What a wonderment.

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I suggest you look back at some of that ridiculous bullshit you often write on this topic of animal cruelty, eddie...

The hypocritical bluster and nonsense from your side is priceless, and neverending..

Then again, you did claim a couple of months ago, that you know much more about farming and agriculture than what I do !
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Post by eddie Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:25 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
eddie wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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You consider "all (animals) as equal..", do you, eddie  ???

Just "some more equal than others"  -- how very Orwellian/'Animal Farm' of you..

You will happily kill spiders and insects, mice and rats  --  yet constantly frown upon and criticise those who kill to eat/live/survive.

I wonder how much time you would save me, the forum and yourself, if you bothered to read threads before you posted?

What a wonderment.

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I suggest you look back at some of that ridiculous bullshit you often write on this topic of animal cruelty, eddie...

The hypocritical bluster and nonsense from your side is priceless, and neverending..

Then again, you did claim a couple of months ago, that you know much more about farming and agriculture than what I do  !

What is my “side” exactly?

And can you find the claim where I said I know more about farming and agriculture than you?

I said you didn’t know anything about British farming.
And you don’t.
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Post by HoratioTarr Thu Jun 28, 2018 2:56 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:   I've read time and again that dogs are killed or tortured to death because they believe the agony makes the meat taste better.  Boiling dogs alive in woks and worse?   Nobody should be allowed to do that.  


But it is largely untrue, just propaganda from misguided Animal rights activists that have separated themselves from nature Wink

its' no different than Sheep or Cows, except the long term sentimentality towards certain species because of the use they used to serve.
This is why Hindus don't eat Cows, in the wet and warm lands of India horses are ill suited to pulling ploughs, while Bullocks are good at it.
without bullocks you couldn't farm the Indian farmlands.  


For the record:
I have eaten Dog meat (pretty sure). I love Dogs.
I would eat spiders (probably have) I love spiders.

I eat Kangaroo, I love Kangaroos and I was almost killed by one kamikazing my ute last week.... Circle of life geek

Sorry, I'm not convinced of your argument. You can google plenty of videos if you've the stomach for it, of dogs being tortured to death before going onto the plate. Having their paws hacked off to stop them running away. It matters little to me if it's a dog or a cat or a cow. It's still fucking monstrous. It was my misfortune to catch a documentary about it a while back. I can still see them dipping a live cat into boiling water.
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Post by nicko Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:21 pm

Saw that myself, cruel bastards.
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