London murder rate overtakes New York for first time ever including 11 killings in just 16 days

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl wrote:
I don't think all young men/women should go Tommy. The ones at uni or holding down full time jobs, the ones still at college with no criminal record, let them get on with what they are doing.

So many youngsters aren't working, either because they cant find a job or they are not looking for one. Kids drop out of education, cant work full time till they are 18, and just bum around with all that spare time and nothing to do, often times getting into trouble.
For young people who have already offended... give them one chance then Boot camp/NS type of programme for them.....why not?

Better than community service and continuously letting them off with a a slapped wrist, and far better than prison which is where many of them will end up honing their craft.

Young people can work as soon as they get their NI card... they get this card just before their 16th birthday... they can work full time before the age of 18...


Also... nothing to do with being a violent criminal thug... as they can be all ages as well as working/not working/at college etc...



But I see that you agree there should be an end to 'slapped wrists', and that prisons should be changed from soft 'universities of crime', to a much tougher 'boot camp/military' style regime...!

Tommy Monk wrote:

Syl wrote:
I don't think all young men/women should go Tommy. The ones at uni or holding down full time jobs, the ones still at college with no criminal record, let them get on with what they are doing.

So many youngsters aren't working, either because they cant find a job or they are not looking for one. Kids drop out of education, cant work full time till they are 18, and just bum around with all that spare time and nothing to do, often times getting into trouble.
For young people who have already offended... give them one chance then Boot camp/NS type of programme for them.....why not?

Better than community service and continuously letting them off with a a slapped wrist, and far better than prison which is where many of them will end up honing their craft.

Young people can work as soon as they get their NI card... they get this card just before their 16th birthday... they can work full time before the age of 18...


Also... nothing to do with being a violent criminal thug... as they can be all ages as well as working/not working/at college etc...



But I see that you agree there should be an end to 'slapped wrists', and that prisons should be changed from soft 'universities of crime', to a much tougher 'boot camp/military' style regime...!

England

• stay in full-time education, for example at a college
  
• start an apprenticeship or traineeship
  
• spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training
  

Tommy Monk wrote:Nothing stopping them working full time and the work counting as part of training... or doing some other sort of training/education on a Saturday or evenings... or doing two part time jobs that add up to full time hours... or just doing any other sort of work and no additional training...


Do you really think that there is some sort of 'youth work police' out there, looking to arrest and prosecute them...!!!???


Don't be Sylly...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:You said they "cant work full time till they are 18"...


That is not true...!


And besides that... nothing to do with being a violent thug!


I see on news today that there has been 2 more shootings overnight... a 17 yr old girl shot dead, and a seperate invident where a 16 yr old shot and in critical condition.


I bet some more lovely black people are responsible...

Tommy Monk wrote:They can work, and they can work full time too...

ENGLAND.

You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays.
You must then do one of the following until you’re 18:

• stay in full-time education, for example at a college
  
• start an apprenticeship or traineeship
  
• spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training
  
  
  
  
  But irrelevant to being a violent criminal thug...!
  
  
  The latest 2 will be blacks responsible again...
  
  
  Basically there are too many bowling around thinking that they are super special and better than everyone else... then when they don't get the respect that they think they deserve, they behave like the violent thugs that they really are...!
  
  
  Most if not all will be known to the police, already with a list of convictions or involvements in other crimes... but will have always got off with soft punishments and excuses made for them by the limp lefty PC do gooders who permeate our authorities...!
  
  
  
  

Tommy Monk wrote:So now you admit that they can work full time...!?



When earlier you said this...


"...cant work full time till they are 18...'

magica wrote:They took police patrols of the streets to save money, so there's no one to stop this. Gangs on gangs, they don't care who's in the middle.

London is not a safe place anymore, hasn't been for years.  All the back streets are filled with foreigners now and many Somalians hate other black people and start gang wars. Then another black from Africa starts on another black from another country and on it goes.

There are places I won't go down now, such a shame. I blame Bliar for his open door policy and all the thugs poured in.

They closed clubs for kids, so they hang out in the streets white, black etc.

Yes we hung about the streets, but no one was armed, no fights, no gang wars. London is worse than New York, such a shame to the London I loved, born and bred here.

Syl wrote:

magica wrote:They took police patrols of the streets to save money, so there's no one to stop this. Gangs on gangs, they don't care who's in the middle.

London is not a safe place anymore, hasn't been for years.  All the back streets are filled with foreigners now and many Somalians hate other black people and start gang wars. Then another black from Africa starts on another black from another country and on it goes.

There are places I won't go down now, such a shame. I blame Bliar for his open door policy and all the thugs poured in.

They closed clubs for kids, so they hang out in the streets white, black etc.

Yes we hung about the streets, but no one was armed, no fights, no gang wars. London is worse than New York, such a shame to the London I loved, born and bred here.

I feel for you Mags, when a place changes so drastically, and not for the better, it's sad.
Manchester has it's no go areas, as do all cities I should imagine, but tbh I feel safe here....Manchester had the name 'gunchester' a few years ago, but it seems to have settled down now.

Syl wrote:There is no info about about the latest murder, shootings and stabbings, so best not to speculate at this point.

It does seem that a high % of black people were amongst the murdered in London recently.

My initial thought when the figures were released this week...most of the deaths will be gang and drug related.

Tommy Monk wrote:Not quite Syl... the police can't target them because they are black, as the PC dipshits in charge say that would be 'racist' to target them...!