Aussie flu

I'm from one of the red zone areas and just getting over the flu - now not sure if I've the Aussie flu - but I've sure been ill and spent 3 days in bed - I've not been able to eat just drink and felt nauseous all the time- I've lost 8lb in weight in just four days .

Anyone else had this flu - if you have I feel for you and pray you have a speedy recovery x

Just wondering is there a connection to coastal areas which have an epidemic of this flu and what is the explanation ?

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I'm from one of the red zone areas and just getting over the flu - now not sure if I've the Aussie flu - but I've sure been ill and spent 3 days in bed - I've not been able to eat just drink and felt nauseous all the time- I've lost 8lb in weight in just four days .

Anyone else had this flu - if you have I feel for you and pray you have a speedy recovery x

Just wondering is there a connection to coastal areas which have an epidemic of this flu and what is the explanation ?

Speedy recovery Vod.
Flu is horrible, and the Aussie strain is said to be a really bad one, so look after yourself.

I (touch wood) have been well over Christmas and new year. Last year I started with something late on Christmas eve, we had been out for a meal and I thought I had food poisoning. It wasn't, it was some viral infection that floored me all over Christmas and into the new year.

Its a rotten time to be ill, so take care. x

Syl wrote:

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:I'm from one of the red zone areas and just getting over the flu - now not sure if I've the Aussie flu - but I've sure been ill and spent 3 days in bed - I've not been able to eat just drink and felt nauseous all the time- I've lost 8lb in weight in just four days .

Anyone else had this flu - if you have I feel for you and pray you have a speedy recovery x

Just wondering is there a connection to coastal areas which have an epidemic of this flu and what is the explanation ?

Speedy recovery Vod.
Flu is horrible, and the Aussie strain is said to be a really bad one, so look after yourself.

I (touch wood) have been well over Christmas and new year. Last year I started with something late on Christmas eve, we had been out for a meal and I thought I had food poisoning. It wasn't, it was some viral infection that floored me all over Christmas and into the new year.

Its a rotten time to be ill, so take care. x

Thank you sly - today is my best day I've started eating again very small meals so I'm on the road to recovery .
I notice Manchester is a red area too so I pray you don't get it x

I think a lot of time this kind of virus is picked up via the hands. I always carry antibacterial gel in my bag and use it all the time when I'm out. I also take 1000 mg of Vit C with Zinc all through the winter. Another good tip is wear gloves while you're out. Just handling shopping trolleys or money can give you the nasties.

It was my misfortune to have to go into the Trafford Centre just before Xmas, and it was rammed. I swear to God I could almost taste the breath and bacteria of all those people and I couldn't wait to get out. Horrible place.

HoratioTarr wrote:It was my misfortune to have to go into the Trafford Centre just before Xmas, and it was rammed.   I swear to God I could almost taste the breath and bacteria of all those people and I couldn't wait to get out.   Horrible place.

sounds gross I hate shopping centres so only go when i really need to . Glad you never got any nasty bugs though

I carry antibacterial gel too and you're right about shopping trolleys - all those nasty viruses on them - yuck .

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:

Syl wrote:
Speedy recovery Vod.
Flu is horrible, and the Aussie strain is said to be a really bad one, so look after yourself.

I (touch wood) have been well over Christmas and new year. Last year I started with something late on Christmas eve, we had been out for a meal and I thought I had food poisoning. It wasn't, it was some viral infection that floored me all over Christmas and into the new year.

Its a rotten time to be ill, so take care. x

Thank you sly - today is my best day I've started eating again very small meals so I'm on the road to recovery .
I notice Manchester is a red area too so I pray you don't get it x

Hopefully not... and I did get the flu jab last November.
Getting your appetite back is a good sign, you might be able to taste some of the special foods people buy in over Christmas, that's if there is anything left.

HoratioTarr wrote:It was my misfortune to have to go into the Trafford Centre just before Xmas, and it was rammed.   I swear to God I could almost taste the breath and bacteria of all those people and I couldn't wait to get out.   Horrible place.

I think one of the worst places to catch germs is on a plane....I often end up catching something horrible.
In Dec we went away and I was directly in front of a man who did nothing but cough and snot for the full flight...Luckily I didn't catch anything this time, possibly because I tried to hold my breath for the duration.

Syl wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:It was my misfortune to have to go into the Trafford Centre just before Xmas, and it was rammed.   I swear to God I could almost taste the breath and bacteria of all those people and I couldn't wait to get out.   Horrible place.

I think one of the worst places to catch germs is on a plane....I often end up catching something horrible.
In Dec we went away and I was directly in front of a man who did nothing but cough and snot for the full flight...Luckily I didn't catch anything this time, possibly because I tried to hold my breath for the duration.

Planes are awful for bugs now. Since they stopped smoking on planes they don't have to filter the air as much hence more lurgies.

HoratioTarr wrote:I think a lot of time this kind of virus is picked up via the hands.   I always carry antibacterial gel in my bag and use it all the time when I'm out.   I also take 1000 mg of Vit C with Zinc all through the winter.   Another good tip is wear gloves while you're out.  Just handling shopping trolleys or money can give you the nasties.

Does that gel work against viruses? Any wipe would physically remove the virus.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:I think a lot of time this kind of virus is picked up via the hands.   I always carry antibacterial gel in my bag and use it all the time when I'm out.   I also take 1000 mg of Vit C with Zinc all through the winter.   Another good tip is wear gloves while you're out.  Just handling shopping trolleys or money can give you the nasties.

Does that gel work against viruses? Any wipe would physically remove the virus.

Its only bacteria not viruses - Dettol is what I use as it kills viruses .

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:I think a lot of time this kind of virus is picked up via the hands.   I always carry antibacterial gel in my bag and use it all the time when I'm out.   I also take 1000 mg of Vit C with Zinc all through the winter.   Another good tip is wear gloves while you're out.  Just handling shopping trolleys or money can give you the nasties.

Does that gel work against viruses? Any wipe would physically remove the virus.

No, the gel is basically alcohol and glycerin, at best. They are just for bacterial infection. Moreover, some have harmful properties like triclosan, "an ingredient of concern to many environmental, academic and regulatory groups."

https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm378393.htm

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Does that gel work against viruses? Any wipe would physically remove the virus.

No, the gel is basically alcohol and glycerin, at best.  They are just for bacterial infection.  Moreover, some have harmful properties like triclosan, "an ingredient of concern to many environmental, academic and regulatory groups."  

https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm378393.htm

ooo er. Why do they use them in hospitals then?

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Does that gel work against viruses? Any wipe would physically remove the virus.

Its  only bacteria not viruses - Dettol is what I use as it kills viruses .

I tend to use Lemon essential oil to clean my house. But you can't smear that over your hands, at least not neat. Oregano EO is an anti viral and I've used it to great effect in steam inhalations to mitigate a chest infection. It cleared up my husbands ear infection not so long ago. There's quite a few anti-viral EOs, Ravensara being one of the best for flu. My OH uses Dettol in his shaving water and swears it stops shaving rash.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Does that gel work against viruses? Any wipe would physically remove the virus.

No, the gel is basically alcohol and glycerin, at best.  They are just for bacterial infection.  Moreover, some have harmful properties like triclosan, "an ingredient of concern to many environmental, academic and regulatory groups."  

https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm378393.htm

I'm currently using this. It's supposed to kill 99percent of viruses.

http://www.boots.com/boots-anti-viral-hand-foam%E2%80%9350-ml-10231388

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:I think a lot of time this kind of virus is picked up via the hands.   I always carry antibacterial gel in my bag and use it all the time when I'm out.   I also take 1000 mg of Vit C with Zinc all through the winter.   Another good tip is wear gloves while you're out.  Just handling shopping trolleys or money can give you the nasties.

Does that gel work against viruses? Any wipe would physically remove the virus.

There are several anti viral ones on the market. Including wipes

HoratioTarr wrote:

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:

Its  only bacteria not viruses - Dettol is what I use as it kills viruses .

I tend to use Lemon essential oil to clean my house.   But you can't smear that over your hands, at least not neat.   Oregano EO is an anti viral and I've used it to great effect in steam inhalations to mitigate a chest infection.  It cleared up my husbands ear infection not so long ago.  There's quite  a few anti-viral EOs, Ravensara being one of the best for flu.    My OH uses Dettol in his shaving water and swears it stops shaving rash.

That’s very interesting about the Oregano EO.

I miss Dettol. Haven’t managed to find a substitute that I love ke over here.

I rarely get the flu'...

Didn't get last years, either..

Horatio's tips are an example of money-wasting 'phobias when it comes to actual flu's --  they will work with other infections, but not flu's..  As are many popular herbal treatments..


Flu's and colds are airborne viruses, so stay away from people who regularly cough and sneeze..    Washing hands with soap and water will be just as effective, hygiene wise as some costlier gels and antiseptic washes.

Spending all day in air conditioned premises, or in close proximity to others will increasse risks of infection, e.g. retail workers, nurses, teachers.


A couple of people that I know of here who had one of the bad strains of flu' last winter,  ended up with pneumonia as a secondary infection within a few days  --  at least antibiotics are availabe for pneumonia..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I rarely get the flu'...

Didn't get last year, either..

Horatio's tips are an example of money-wasting 'phobias when it comes to actual flu's --  they will work with other infections, but not flu's..  As are many herbals..


Flu's and colds are airborne viruses, so stay away from people who regularly cough and sneeze..    Washing hands with soap and water will be just as effective, hygiene wise.

Spending all day in air conditioned premises, or in close proximity to others will increasse risks of infection.


A couple of people that I know of here who had one of the bad strains of flu' last winter,  ended up with pneumonia as a secondary infection within a gew days  --  at least antibiotics are availabe for that..

Well i don’t think she was claiming its a cure. I found it interesting though and helpful.

I can’t stay away from people. It’s part of my job. No matter how much I wash my hands or use disinfectant wipes I still got sick. Arizona is having a rough time this year. People can’t get rid of it before being reinfected by Work colleagues/family members/general public. I had 10 sick people come into the library and talk to me/hand me things within 1 hour on Friday.

Cass wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I rarely get the flu'...

Didn't get last year, either..

Horatio's tips are an example of money-wasting 'phobias when it comes to actual flu's --  they will work with other infections, but not flu's..  As are many herbals..


Flu's and colds are airborne viruses, so stay away from people who regularly cough and sneeze..    Washing hands with soap and water will be just as effective, hygiene wise.

Spending all day in air conditioned premises, or in close proximity to others will increasse risks of infection.


A couple of people that I know of here who had one of the bad strains of flu' last winter,  ended up with pneumonia as a secondary infection within a gew days  --  at least antibiotics are availabe for that..

Well i don’t think she was claiming its a cure. I found it interesting though and helpful.

I can’t stay away from people. It’s part of my job. No matter how much I wash my hands or use disinfectant wipes I still got sick. Arizona is having a rough time this year. People can’t get rid of it before being reinfected by Work colleagues/family members/general public. I had 10 sick people come into the library and talk to me/hand me things within 1 hour on Friday.

I have asked physicians--including my father and my youngest daughter--why do they give antibiotics for viral diseases? Their answer is, so that the body in a weakened condition won't succumb to a bacterial condition: pneumonia. That's what is all about.

However, there has arisen a resistant form of bacteria, so it is not advisable today, except in extreme conditions. It's a toss, but antibacterial OCD's won't cure, and aren't intended for viruses.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I rarely get the flu'...

Didn't get last year, either..

Horatio's tips are an example of money-wasting 'phobias when it comes to actual flu's --  they will work with other infections, but not flu's..  As are many herbals..


Flu's and colds are airborne viruses, so stay away from people who regularly cough and sneeze..    Washing hands with soap and water will be just as effective, hygiene wise.

Spending all day in air conditioned premises, or in close proximity to others will increasse risks of infection.


A couple of people that I know of here who had one of the bad strains of flu' last winter,  ended up with pneumonia as a secondary infection within a gew days  --  at least antibiotics are availabe for that..

You need to educate yourself about what essential oils really are and what they can do.  

The presence of different types of aldehydes, phenolics, terpenes, and other antimicrobial compounds means that the essential oils are effective against a diverse range of pathogens.  The essential oils of cinnamon, clove, pimento, thyme, oregano, and rosemary were shown to possess strong antibacterial activity against Salmonella typhi, Staphylococcus aureus, and Pseudomonas aeruginosa.

The inhibitory effect of these oils was mainly correlated with the occurrence of eugenol and cinnamaldehyde in the essential oils. Other major compounds found were carvacrol, thymol, cinnamaldehyde, and camphor. Arora and Kaur [120] analyzed the antimicrobial activity of garlic, ginger, clove, black pepper, and green chilli on human pathogenic bacteria such as Bacillus sphaericus, Enterobacter aerogenes, E. coli, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, S. aureus, Staphylococcus epidermidis, S. typhi, and Shigella flexneri. They concluded that, among all these spices, the aqueous extract of garlic was sensitive against all the tested bacterial pathogens. The garlic extract inhibited 93% of S. epidermidis and S. typhi within 3 h of incubation time.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5206475/

3.3. Antiviral Effects of Essential Oils
Plant-based products and bioactive pure compounds may be a new source of antiviral drugs, as natural products have inherently high chemical diversity. Viral diseases are still a major problem for human health worldwide. So far, only a limited number of drugs are effective against many of these viruses, which has prompted research into finding new antiviral lead molecules. From our literature survey, it is evident that many essential oils possess antiviral properties against many DNA and RNA viruses, such as herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) and type 2 (HSV-2), dengue virus type 2, Junin virus, influenza virus adenovirus type 3, poliovirus, and coxsackievirus B1 [96, 105, 114, 133, 134].

The antiviral activities of essential oils of major MAPs along with their constituents are detailed in Table 3. The oregano and clove essential oils also exhibited strong antiviral activity against several nonenveloped RNA and DNA viruses such as adenovirus type 3, poliovirus, and coxsackievirus B1

The antiviral property of the essential oils obtained from fruits and leaves of Fortunella margarita (kumquats) exhibited potential activity against avian influenza A virus (H5N1)

They found that various concentrations of lemon balm essential oil suppressed influenza virus replication. However, it had improved efficacy when coadministered with the antiviral agent oseltamivir. Essential oils obtained from Colombian MAPs such as Lepechinia salviifolia, Minthostachys mollis, Hyptis mutabilis, Lepechinia vulcanicola, and Ocimum campechianum were reported to possess antiviral activity against human herpes viruses types 1 and 2 [95]. They also reported that these essential oils inhibit viral activity during their early stages of infection. Thus, plant-based essential oils could be used as antiviral agents against several viral diseases in humans and have the potential to be used as alternatives to synthetic antiviral drugs.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, the gel is basically alcohol and glycerin, at best.  They are just for bacterial infection.  Moreover, some have harmful properties like triclosan, "an ingredient of concern to many environmental, academic and regulatory groups."  

https://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm378393.htm

ooo er.    Why do they use them in hospitals then?

Because they don't want people transmitting bacterial infections, or any bacteria which could be dangerous to an ill person - things like MRSA. It's an alternative to visitors washing their hands, which could be a bit inconvenient in a hospital.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

I rarely get the flu'...

Didn't get last year, either..

Horatio's tips are an example of money-wasting 'phobias when it comes to actual flu's --  they will work with other infections, but not flu's..  As are many herbals..


Flu's and colds are airborne viruses, so stay away from people who regularly cough and sneeze..    Washing hands with soap and water will be just as effective, hygiene wise.

Spending all day in air conditioned premises, or in close proximity to others will increasse risks of infection.


A couple of people that I know of here who had one of the bad strains of flu' last winter,  ended up with pneumonia as a secondary infection within a gew days  --  at least antibiotics are availabe for that..

Colds can also be spread by touch - ie, from doorknobs and that kind of thing. The best thing to do is to not touch your face unnecessarily. You can't really wash your hands every time you touch something a person with a cold might have touched.

Original Quill wrote:

Cass wrote:

Well i don’t think she was claiming its a cure. I found it interesting though and helpful.

I can’t stay away from people. It’s part of my job. No matter how much I wash my hands or use disinfectant wipes I still got sick. Arizona is having a rough time this year. People can’t get rid of it before being reinfected by Work colleagues/family members/general public. I had 10 sick people come into the library and talk to me/hand me things within 1 hour on Friday.

I have asked physicians--including my father and my youngest daughter--why do they give antibiotics for viral diseases?  Their answer is, so that the body in a weakened condition won't succumb to a bacterial condition: pneumonia.  That's what is all about.

However, there has arisen a resistant form of bacteria, so it is not advisable today, except in extreme conditions.  It's a toss, but antibacterial OCD's won't cure, and aren't intended for viruses.

That is so wrong. This is why people are becoming resistant to antibiotics. There's no point giving an antibiotic for an infection that someone doesn't actually have anyway.

The last two hotels abroad we have been to have had the sanitising gel on the entrance to the restaurant.
Its a bit off putting really, but as they have a self help buffet bar I suppose it makes sense, IF people used them, which they don't seem to.

Syl wrote:The last two hotels abroad we have been to have had the sanitising gel on the entrance to the restaurant.
Its a bit off putting really, but as they have a self help buffet bar I suppose it makes sense, IF people used them, which they don't seem to.  

Are people sticking their hands in the food then?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:The last two hotels abroad we have been to have had the sanitising gel on the entrance to the restaurant.
Its a bit off putting really, but as they have a self help buffet bar I suppose it makes sense, IF people used them, which they don't seem to.  

Are people sticking their hands in the food then?

It never fails to surprise me the way some people treat food that other people may eat when they have finished mauling it.

I've got to go to the doctors in the morning I think I've got bronchitis now can't stop coughing and my ribs feel like I've been kicked in them and coughing but nothing moving at all .

Syl wrote:The last two hotels abroad we have been to have had the sanitising gel on the entrance to the restaurant.
Its a bit off putting really, but as they have a self help buffet bar I suppose it makes sense, IF people used them, which they don't seem to.  

Nursing homes have them now at the entrance for people to check out with washing with the hand gel.