The Bible Is Inaccurate And Camels Prove It, Archaeologists Claim

Archaeologists have cast doubt on the accuracy of the Bible after uncovering new evidence about camels.

Carbon dating suggests the animals were not domesticated in Israel until the 9th century BC - hundreds of years after they were depicted in the Old Testament.

Camels feature in biblical stories involving Abraham and Joseph.

The research was carried out by Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Israel's Tel-Aviv University.

A statement from the university, reported in the Times of Israel, said the discrepancy “is direct proof that the [Biblical] text was compiled well after the events it describes”.

The archeologists found camel bones in layers that dated from the last third of the 10th century BC or later, long after they feature in the Bible.

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PhilDidge wrote:Archaeologists have cast doubt on the accuracy of the Bible after uncovering new evidence about camels.

Carbon dating suggests the animals were not domesticated in Israel until the 9th century BC - hundreds of years after they were depicted in the Old Testament.

Camels feature in biblical stories involving Abraham and Joseph.

The research was carried out by Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Israel's Tel-Aviv University.

A statement from the university, reported in the Times of Israel, said the discrepancy “is direct proof that the [Biblical] text was compiled well after the events it describes”.

The archeologists found camel bones in layers that dated from the last third of the 10th century BC or later, long after they feature in the Bible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/05/the-bible-camels_n_4730151.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

really didn't they carbon date a dog and claimed it was a million years old when it died about two years ago. :D 

Really, so carbon dating does not work you are saying or that mistakes happen?

Anyway lets get back to the chosen people in the Bible and how you wrongly thought the deity would not do anything to them?

PhilDidge wrote:Really, so carbon dating does not work you are saying or that mistakes happen?

Anyway lets get back to the chosen people in the Bible and how you wrongly thought the deity would not do anything to them?

oh thats what you are on about, actually you are misquoting me, i said that God would not write practically a whole book against his own people such as the koran is, he certainly put his chosen people up against it especially when they turned from him but when ever they followed again he would bless them.

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Really, so carbon dating does not work you are saying or that mistakes happen?

Anyway lets get back to the chosen people in the Bible and how you wrongly thought the deity would not do anything to them?

oh thats what you are on about, actually you are misquoting me, i said that God would not write practically a whole book against his own people such as the koran is, he certainly put his chosen people up against it especially when they turned from him but when ever they followed again he would bless them.

Hilarious, talk about move the goal posts

PhilDidge wrote:Archaeologists have cast doubt on the accuracy of the Bible after uncovering new evidence about camels.

Carbon dating suggests the animals were not domesticated in Israel until the 9th century BC - hundreds of years after they were depicted in the Old Testament.

Camels feature in biblical stories involving Abraham and Joseph.

The research was carried out by Erez Ben-Yosef and Lidar Sapir-Hen of Israel's Tel-Aviv University.

A statement from the university, reported in the Times of Israel, said the discrepancy “is direct proof that the [Biblical] text was compiled well after the events it describes”.

The archeologists found camel bones in layers that dated from the last third of the 10th century BC or later, long after they feature in the Bible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/05/the-bible-camels_n_4730151.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

The bible .....inaccurate ....surely not   

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

oh thats what you are on about, actually you are misquoting me, i said that God would not write practically a whole book against his own people such as the koran is, he certainly put his chosen people up against it especially when they turned from him but when ever they followed again he would bless them.

Hilarious, talk about move the goal posts

well football ones are quite different from american football goal post but american football goal posts are quite similar in some respects to rugby goal posts.. :D 

HF, why did God never reveal himself to the original natives of the American continent before the Spanish showed up 1500 years after the death of Jesus?

Why did he never reveal himself to far east Asians who were and continue to be worshipping statues?

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Really, so carbon dating does not work you are saying or that mistakes happen?

Anyway lets get back to the chosen people in the Bible and how you wrongly thought the deity would not do anything to them?

oh thats what you are on about, actually you are misquoting me, i said that God would not write practically a whole book against his own people such as the koran is, he certainly put his chosen people up against it especially when they turned from him but when ever they followed again he would bless them.

God did not write practically a whole book
In fact he wrote none of the bible not one page

Eilzel wrote:HF, why did God never reveal himself to the original natives of the American continent before the Spanish showed up 1500 years after the death of Jesus?

Why did he never reveal himself to far east Asians who were and continue to be worshipping statues?

I have no idea but if you talk to the mormons they will tell you the ancient isrealites sailed to america and settled there and Jesus went to the americas to show himself but somehow i doubt that is true..

the original gospel was given to the Jews, eventually it was given to the gentiles how or why it went anywhere else would be purely speculation on my part.

Korben Dallas wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

oh thats what you are on about, actually you are misquoting me, i said that God would not write practically a whole book against his own people such as the koran is, he certainly put his chosen people up against it especially when they turned from him but when ever they followed again he would bless them.

God did not write practically a whole book
In fact he wrote none of the bible not one page

Thats true but God inspired those who wrote the book.

heavenly father wrote:

Korben Dallas wrote:
God did not write practically a whole book
In fact he wrote none of the bible not one page

Thats true but God inspired those who wrote the book.

Allegedly he also apparently "inspired "the Mormon bible Allegedly

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:HF, why did God never reveal himself to the original natives of the American continent before the Spanish showed up 1500 years after the death of Jesus?

Why did he never reveal himself to far east Asians who were and continue to be worshipping statues?

I have no idea but if you talk to the mormons they will tell you the ancient isrealites sailed to america and settled there and Jesus went to the americas to show himself but somehow i doubt that is true..

the original gospel was given to the Jews, eventually it was given to the gentiles how or why it went anywhere else would be purely speculation on my part.

So is everyone who was ever born in, say, China, before the publication of the Gospels, roasting eternally in Hell?

So God could have revealed himself to all the peoples of Earth, no problem he's God; but chose to reveal himself solely to ignorant illiterate desert dwellers in a backwater of the Roman Empire- and you don't question the validity of this whatsoever, while saying there is no evidence for evolution...?

Korben Dallas wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

Thats true but God inspired those who wrote the book.

Allegedly he also apparently "inspired "the Mormon bible Allegedly

yeah but you just have to look at joseph smiths life and the huge mistakes in the bom to see that simply isn't true.

Eilzel wrote:So God could have revealed himself to all the peoples of Earth, no problem he's God; but chose to reveal himself solely to ignorant illiterate desert dwellers in a backwater of the Roman Empire- and you don't question the validity of this whatsoever, while saying there is no evidence for evolution...?

you want me to question God, ok, perhaps he wanted to reveal himself through the meek and lowly, that was kinda his theme..

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So God could have revealed himself to all the peoples of Earth, no problem he's God; but chose to reveal himself solely to ignorant illiterate desert dwellers in a backwater of the Roman Empire- and you don't question the validity of this whatsoever, while saying there is no evidence for evolution...?

you want me to question God, ok, perhaps he wanted to reveal himself through the meek and lowly, that was kinda his theme..

What about everyone born on the opposite side of the world while this was going on? Are they in Hell?

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So God could have revealed himself to all the peoples of Earth, no problem he's God; but chose to reveal himself solely to ignorant illiterate desert dwellers in a backwater of the Roman Empire- and you don't question the validity of this whatsoever, while saying there is no evidence for evolution...?

you want me to question God, ok, perhaps he wanted to reveal himself through the meek and lowly, that was kinda his theme..

How does that help the people that lived and died for centuries not even knowing of his existence?

heavenly father wrote:

Korben Dallas wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

Thats true but God inspired those who wrote the book.

Allegedly he also apparently "inspired "the Mormon bible Allegedly

yeah but you just have to look at joseph smiths life and the huge mistakes in the bom to see that simply isn't true.

Yeah, it's amazing, the crazy shit some people believe, huh?

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

you want me to question God, ok, perhaps he wanted to reveal himself through the meek and lowly, that was kinda his theme..

How does that help the people that lived and died for centuries not even knowing of his existence?

thats why there was before Jesus , death and hades, it wasn't like hell fire judgement and when Jesus died he went first to hades to preach to the dead, so that gave those he went first chance to hear and accept the gospel.

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So God could have revealed himself to all the peoples of Earth, no problem he's God; but chose to reveal himself solely to ignorant illiterate desert dwellers in a backwater of the Roman Empire- and you don't question the validity of this whatsoever, while saying there is no evidence for evolution...?

you want me to question God, ok, perhaps he wanted to reveal himself through the meek and lowly, that was kinda his theme..

And the Israelites were indeed meek and lowly; but not more so than the native Amerindians- yet they mostly lived and died not knowing of your God; and when they finally were told about him, they were either slaughtered like animals or died of European diseases. Easily explainable from an evolutionary stand point- utterly inexplicable from a Biblical stand point.

Eilzel wrote:So God could have revealed himself to all the peoples of Earth, no problem he's God; but chose to reveal himself solely to ignorant illiterate desert dwellers in a backwater of the Roman Empire- and you don't question the validity of this whatsoever, while saying there is no evidence for evolution...?

The lyrics of this are bought to mind

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

you want me to question God, ok, perhaps he wanted to reveal himself through the meek and lowly, that was kinda his theme..

How does that help the people that lived and died for centuries not even knowing of his existence?

thats why there was before Jesus , death and hades, it wasn't like hell fire judgement and when Jesus died he went first to hades to preach to the dead, so that gave those he went first chance to hear and accept the gospel.

Oh, so they were only being tortured in Hell for a few thousand years?

heavenly father wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


How does that help the people that lived and died for centuries not even knowing of his existence?

thats why there was before Jesus , death and hades, it wasn't like hell fire judgement and when Jesus died he went first to hades to preach to the dead, so that gave those he went first chance to hear and accept the gospel.

The Hades of Greek and Roman myth? Do you want to fit Pluto and Jupiter into this pick and mix of religions you've got going on here?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

thats why there was before Jesus , death and hades, it wasn't like hell fire judgement and when Jesus died he went first to hades to preach to the dead, so that gave those he went first chance to hear and accept the gospel.

Oh, so they were only being tortured in Hell for a few thousand years?

actually no if you look in to it it seems it was more of just a holding tank till Jesus could talk to them, i thought you had read the bible?

Oh, OK -- a holding tank. What about the people who lived in the hundreds or thousands of years that elapsed between Jesus' death and the spread of the Gospel to all parts of the world?

Korben Dallas wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

oh thats what you are on about, actually you are misquoting me, i said that God would not write practically a whole book against his own people such as the koran is, he certainly put his chosen people up against it especially when they turned from him but when ever they followed again he would bless them.

God did not write practically a whole book
In fact he wrote none of the bible not one page

that view smashes up your previous argument

Ben_Reilly wrote:Oh, OK -- a holding tank. What about the people who lived in the hundreds or thousands of years that elapsed between Jesus' death and the spread of the Gospel to all parts of the world?

hundreds of thousands of years??

Read back what I wrote, you're seeing an "f" where there's actually an "r"

Ben_Reilly wrote:Read back what I wrote, you're seeing an "f" where there's actually an "r"

sorry about that, I was getting questions all over the place..lol

i have no idea how long the bible took to spread across the globe, bu after the death of Jesus God sent the Holy spirit to the earth to bare witness to whom Jesus was, so the Holy spirit was not bound by physical barriers such as distance and could talk in to the heart of any person.

Some Christians believe through close scrutiny of Jonah that even at the point of death you get an encounter with God even though your destination would be hell and this encounter could still save you, I must admit I think there is a strong argument for this reasoning.

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Read back what I wrote, you're seeing an "f" where there's actually an "r"

sorry about that, I was getting questions all over the place..lol

i have no idea how long the bible took to spread across the globe, bu after the death of Jesus God sent the Holy spirit to the earth to bare witness to whom Jesus was, so the Holy spirit was not bound by physical barriers such as distance and could talk in to the heart of any person.

Some Christians believe through close scrutiny of Jonah that even at the point of death you get an encounter with God even though your destination would be hell and this encounter could still save you, I must admit I think there is a strong argument for this reasoning.

And yet, astonishingly, in spite of that fact; no one in China, America, Australia etc, acknowledged the divinity of Christ (or even knew who he was or his God) until they first learned of it through missionaries and the Bible- so much for the Holy Spirit transcending physical barriers eh   

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Read back what I wrote, you're seeing an "f" where there's actually an "r"

sorry about that, I was getting questions all over the place..lol

i have no idea how long the bible took to spread across the globe, bu after the death of Jesus God sent the Holy spirit to the earth to bare witness to whom Jesus was, so the Holy spirit was not bound by physical barriers such as distance and could talk in to the heart of any person.

Some Christians believe through close scrutiny of Jonah that even at the point of death you get an encounter with God even though your destination would be hell and this encounter could still save you, I must admit I think there is a strong argument for this reasoning.

So why does Jesus clearly state:

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

... and preach about the need for faith, when you get to meet God and get all the proof you need for salvation at the point of death?

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

sorry about that, I was getting questions all over the place..lol

i have no idea how long the bible took to spread across the globe, bu after the death of Jesus God sent the Holy spirit to the earth to bare witness to whom Jesus was, so the Holy spirit was not bound by physical barriers such as distance and could talk in to the heart of any person.

Some Christians believe through close scrutiny of Jonah that even at the point of death you get an encounter with God even though your destination would be hell and this encounter could still save you, I must admit I think there is a strong argument for this reasoning.

And yet, astonishingly, in spite of that fact; no one in China, America, Australia etc, acknowledged the divinity of Christ (or even knew who he was or his God) until they first learned of it through missionaries and the Bible- so much for the Holy Spirit transcending physical barriers eh   

and why would the holy spirit wish to talk to everyone??

that would eliminate the very concept of faith

smelly_bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

And yet, astonishingly, in spite of that fact; no one in China, America, Australia etc, acknowledged the divinity of Christ (or even knew who he was or his God) until they first learned of it through missionaries and the Bible- so much for the Holy Spirit transcending physical barriers eh   

and why would the holy spirit wish to talk to everyone??

that would eliminate the very concept of faith

The question was in response to HF; keep up.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Korben Dallas wrote:
God did not write practically a whole book
In fact he wrote none of the bible not one page

that view smashes up your previous argument

how so ? and what previous argument ?

smelly_bandit wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

And yet, astonishingly, in spite of that fact; no one in China, America, Australia etc, acknowledged the divinity of Christ (or even knew who he was or his God) until they first learned of it through missionaries and the Bible- so much for the Holy Spirit transcending physical barriers eh   

and why would the holy spirit wish to talk to everyone??

that would eliminate the very concept of faith

Because Jesus said he would
John 14:26

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

i was baptized ........still waiting for this "gift"

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

sorry about that, I was getting questions all over the place..lol

i have no idea how long the bible took to spread across the globe, bu after the death of Jesus God sent the Holy spirit to the earth to bare witness to whom Jesus was, so the Holy spirit was not bound by physical barriers such as distance and could talk in to the heart of any person.

Some Christians believe through close scrutiny of Jonah that even at the point of death you get an encounter with God even though your destination would be hell and this encounter could still save you, I must admit I think there is a strong argument for this reasoning.

And yet, astonishingly, in spite of that fact; no one in China, America, Australia etc, acknowledged the divinity of Christ (or even knew who he was or his God) until they first learned of it through missionaries and the Bible- so much for the Holy Spirit transcending physical barriers eh   

Mauris magnus serpens somnianti ante tempus


You cant walk thru this land and not know it is far older than 'god'.

I can see christians "getting the hump" over this.

Oh that's bad, really bad lol. One hump or two?

Sassy wrote:Oh that's bad, really bad lol.   One hump or two?

Ask Alice.....

grumpy old git wrote:

Sassy wrote:Oh that's bad, really bad lol.   One hump or two?

Ask Alice.....

Alice, Alice, who the fuck is Alice?     

grumpy old git wrote:I can see christians "getting the hump" over this.

Over a bunch of special atheists with god envy??

Not really

I would suggest its you lot getting the hump when we consider how hard you guys are always trying to scientifically disprove spirituality

Square peg round hole

Nice pun btw

When did victor try to disprove spirituality? When did anyone on this thread in fact?

What I have seen is a series of questioning and points which smash the credibility of there being a 'God' as believed by Christians, Muslims and Jews.

But that God isn't the be all and end all of spirituality or even the idea of any other gods.

Each other idea of the supernatural can be taken in turn, but don't presume Christianity has the monopoly on spirituality.

Eilzel wrote:When did victor try to disprove spirituality? When did anyone on this thread in fact?

What I have seen is a series of questioning and points which smash the credibility of there being a 'God' as believed by Christians, Muslims and Jews.

But that God isn't the be all and end all of spirituality or even the idea of any other gods.

Each other idea of the supernatural can be taken in turn, but don't presume Christianity has the monopoly on spirituality.

Boy does your gay biased close your eyes to truth, no one on this thread or any other thread has smashed, scratched even marked the possibility of God existing.

Yeah right my gay bias, and my evidence based disbelief couldn't possibly come from the same place as other non gay posters here now could it.

Grow up HF.

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:When did victor try to disprove spirituality? When did anyone on this thread in fact?

What I have seen is a series of questioning and points which smash the credibility of there being a 'God' as believed by Christians, Muslims and Jews.

But that God isn't the be all and end all of spirituality or even the idea of any other gods.

Each other idea of the supernatural can be taken in turn, but don't presume Christianity has the monopoly on spirituality.

Boy does your gay biased close your eyes to truth, no one on this thread or any other thread has smashed, scratched even marked the possibility of God existing.

So now its because he is gay?
That is not even a counter, the fact is there is no denying the deity in the 3 Abraham faiths is a vengeful, Jealous petty deity and please do not come back with Jesus bringing a message of love to supersede what happened before as the Bible ends and thus supersedes that with him coming back bringing wrath unto the world unleashing the apocalypse butchering billions.

Weird - everybody who has attacked the bible and heavenly father on this thread would fight just as hard on this forum in defence of a muslim who believed in mohammed and his kid brother allah.

BigAndy9 wrote:Weird - everybody who has attacked the bible and heavenly father on this thread would fight just as hard on this forum in defence of a muslim who believed in mohammed and his kid brother allah.

What did you not understand in regards to the 3 abrahamic faiths?

Eilzel wrote:Yeah right my gay bias, and my evidence based disbelief couldn't possibly come from the same place as other non gay posters here now could it.

Grow up HF.

evidence based disbelief...