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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:08 pm

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It's time for Israel to accept that as an occupied people, Palestinians have a right to resist - in every way possible.

In Palestine, international law recognises the fundamental rights to self-determination, freedom and independence for the occupied, writes Cohen [Reuters]
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Stanley L Cohen

Stanley L Cohen is an attorney and human rights activist who has done extensive work in the Middle East and Africa.

Long ago, it was settled that resistance and even armed struggle against a colonial occupation force is not just recognised under international law but specifically endorsed.

In accordance with international humanitarian law, wars of national liberation have been expressly embraced, through the adoption of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions of 1949 (pdf), as a protected and essential right of occupied people everywhere.

Finding evolving vitality in humanitarian law, for decades the General Assembly of the United Nations (UNGA) - once described as the collective conscience of the world - has noted the right of peoples to self-determination, independence and human rights.

Indeed, as early as 1974, resolution 3314 of the UNGA prohibited states from "any military occupation, however temporary".

In relevant part, the resolution not only went on to affirm the right "to self-determination, freedom and independence [...] of peoples forcibly deprived of that right,[...] particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes or other forms of alien domination" but noted the right of the occupied to "struggle ... and to seek and receive support" in that effort.

The term "armed struggle" was implied without precise definition in that resolution and many other early ones that upheld the right of indigenous persons to evict an occupier.

This imprecision was to change on December 3, 1982. At that time UNGA resolution 37/43 removed any doubt or debate over the lawful entitlement of occupied people to resist occupying forces by any and all lawful means. The resolution reaffirmed "the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle".
A palpable illusion

Though Israel has tried, time and time again, to recast the unambiguous intent of this precise resolution - and thus place its now half-century-long occupation in the West Bank and Gaza beyond its application - it is an effort worn thin to the point of palpable illusion by the exacting language of the declaration itself. In relevant part, section 21 of the resolution strongly condemned "the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East and the continual bombing of Palestinian civilians, which constitute a serious obstacle to the realization of the self-determination and independence of the Palestinian people".

Never ones to hesitate in rewriting history, long before the establishment of the United Nations, European Zionists deemed themselves to be an occupied people as they emigrated to Palestine - a land to which any historical connection they had had long since passed through a largely voluntary transit.

Indeed, a full 50 years before the UN spoke of the right of armed struggle as a vehicle of indigenous liberation, European Zionists illegally co-opted the concept as the Irgun, Lehi and other terrorist groups undertook a decade's long reign of deadly mayhem.

During this time, they slaughtered not only thousands of indigenous Palestinians but targeted British police and military personnel that had long maintained a colonial presence there.

A history of Zionist attacks

Perhaps, as Israelis sit down to mourn the loss of two of their soldiers who were shot dead this past week in Jerusalem - in what many consider to be a lawful act of resistance - a visit down memory lane might just place the events in their proper historical context.

Self-determination is a difficult, costly march for the occupied. In Palestine, no matter what the weapon of choice - whether voice, pen or gun - there is a steep price to be paid for its use.

Long ago, describing the British as an occupation force in "their homeland", Zionists targeted British police and military units with ruthless abandon throughout Palestine and elsewhere.

On April 12, 1938, the Irgun murdered two British police officers in a train bombing in Haifa. On August 26, 1939, two British officers were killed by an Irgun landmine in Jerusalem. On February 14, 1944, two British constables were shot dead when they attempted to arrest people for pasting up wall posters in Haifa. On September 27, 1944, more than 100 members of the Irgun attacked four British police stations, injuring hundreds of officers. Two days later a senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department was assassinated in Jerusalem.

On November 1, 1945, another police officer was killed as five trains were bombed. On December 27, 1945, seven British officers lost their lives in a bombing on police headquarters in Jerusalem. Between November 9 and 13, 1946, Jewish "underground" members launched a series of landmine and suitcase bomb attacks in railway stations, trains, and streetcars, killing 11 British soldiers and policemen and eight Arab constables.

Four more officers were murdered in another attack on a police headquarters on January 12, 1947. Nine months later, four British police were murdered in an Irgun bank robbery and, but three days later, on September 26, 1947, an additional 13 officers were killed in yet another terrorist attack on a British police station.

These are but a few of many attacks directed by Zionist terrorists at British police who were seen, by mostly European Jews, as legitimate targets of a campaign they described as one of liberation against an occupation force.

Throughout this period, Jewish terrorists also undertook countless attacks that spared no part of the British and Palestinian infrastructure. They assaulted British military and police installations, government offices, and ships, often with bombs. They also sabotaged railways, bridges, and oil installations. Dozens of economic targets were attacked, including 20 trains that were damaged or derailed, and five train stations. Numerous attacks were carried out against the oil industry including one, in March 1947, on a Shell oil refinery in Haifa which destroyed some 16,000 tonnes of petroleum.

Zionist terrorists killed British soldiers throughout Palestine, using booby traps, ambushes, snipers, and vehicle blasts.

One attack, in particular, sums up the terrorism of those who, without any force of international law at the time, saw no limitation to their efforts to "liberate" a land that they had, largely, only recently emigrated to.

In 1947, the Irgun kidnapped two British Army Intelligence Corps non-commissioned officers and threathened to hang them if death sentences of three of their own members were carried out. When these three Irgun members were executed by hanging, the two British sergeants were hanged in retaliation and their booby-trapped bodies were left in an eucalyptus grove.

In announcing their execution, the Irgun said that the two British soldiers were hanged following their conviction for "criminal anti-Hebrew activities" which included: illegal entry into the Hebrew homeland and membership in a British criminal terrorist organisation - known as the Army of Occupation - which was "responsible for the torture, murder, deportation, and denying the Hebrew people the right to live". The soldiers were also charged with illegal possession of arms, anti-Jewish spying in civilian clothes, and premeditated hostile designs against the underground (pdf).

Well beyond the territorial confines of Palestine, in late 1946-47 a continuing campaign of terrorism was directed at the British. Acts of sabotage were carried out on British military transportation routes in Germany. The Lehi also tried, unsuccessfully, to drop a bomb on the House of Commons from a chartered plane flown from France and, in October 1946, bombed the British Embassy in Rome. A number of other explosive devices were detonated in and around strategic targets in London. Some 21 letter bombs were addressed, at various times, to senior British political figures. Many were intercepted, while others reached their targets but were discovered before they could go off.
The steep price of self-determination

Self-determination is a difficult, costly march for the occupied. In Palestine, no matter what the weapon of choice - whether voice, pen or gun - there is a steep price to be paid for its use.

Today, "speaking truth to power" has become very much a popular mantra of resistance in neoliberal circles and societies. In Palestine, however, for the occupied and oppressed, it is an all-but-certain path to prison or death. Yet, for generations of Palestinians stripped of the very breath that resonates with the feeling of freedom, history teaches there is simply no other choice.

Silence is surrender. To be silent is to betray all those who have come before and all those yet to follow.

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For those who have never felt the constant yoke of oppression, or seen it up close, it is a vision beyond comprehension. Occupation sits heavy on the occupied, every day in every way, limiting who you are and what you may dare to become.

The constant rub of barricades, guns, orders, prison and death are fellow travellers for the occupied, whether infants, teens in the spring of life, the elderly, or those trapped by the artificial confines of borders over which they have no control.

The three young men, cousins, who willingly sacrificed their lives in the attack on the two Israeli officers in Jerusalem, did so not as an empty gesture born of desperation, but rather a personal statement of national pride that follows a long line of others who well understood that the price of freedom can, at times, mean all.

To the families of the two Israeli Druze policemen who lost their lives while trying to control a place that was not theirs to command, I extend my condolences. These young men were, however, not lost to the ring of resistance, but willingly sacrificed by an evil occupation that bears no legitimacy whatsoever.

Ultimately, if there is grieving to be done, it must be for the 11 million occupied, whether in Palestine or outside, as so much stateless refugees, stripped of a meaningful voice and opportunity, as the world makes excuses built largely of a political and economic gift box that bears the Star of David.

Not a day goes by now without the chilling wail of a nation watching over a Palestinian infant wrapped in a burial shroud, stripped of life because electricity or transit have become a perverse privilege which holds millions hostage to the political whims of the few. Be they Israeli, Egyptian or those who claim to carry the mantle of Palestinian political leadership, the responsibility of infanticide in Gaza is theirs and theirs alone.
'If there is no struggle, there is no progress'

The three young men, cousins, who willingly sacrificed their lives in the attack on the two Israeli officers in Jerusalem, did so not as an empty gesture born of desperation, but rather a personal statement of national pride that follows a long line of others who well understood that the price of freedom can, at times, mean all.

For 70 years, not a day has passed without the loss of young Palestinian women and men who, tragically, found greater dignity and freedom in martyrdom than they did in obedient, passive living controlled by those who dared to dictate the parameters of their lives.

Millions of us worldwide dream of a better time and place for Palestinians ... free to spread their wings, to soar, to discover who they are and what they wish to become. Until then, I mourn not for the loss of those who stop their flight. Instead, I applaud those who dare to struggle, dare to win - by any means necessary.

There is no magic to resistance and struggle. They transcend time and place and derive their very meaning and ardour in the natural inclination, indeed, drive, of us all to be free - to be free to determine the role of our own lives.

In Palestine, no such freedom exists. In Palestine, international law recognises the fundamental rights to self-determination, freedom and independence for the occupied. In Palestine, that includes the right to armed struggle, if necessary.

Long ago, the famed abolitionist Frederick Douglass, himself a former slave, wrote of struggle. These words resonate no less so today, in Palestine, than they did some one 150 years ago in the heart of the Antebellum South in the United States:

"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will."

Stanley L Cohen is a lawyer and human rights activist who has done extensive work in the Middle East and Africa.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:



Ahhhh, I see its okay for people to make false accusations about me that are hateful and personal

Thanks for clearing that up

You are right about one thing.

Its a waste of time reporting anything to you, unless I cut my dick off and call myself Phillipa

Just stick it on your head and call yourself "dickhead".


More signs of your jealousy

Two words you have never had the privilige of.

Dick and giving head.... Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:57 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Just stick it on your head and call yourself "dickhead".


More signs of your jealousy

Two words you have never had the privilige of.

Dick and giving head.... Laughing

If that's what you spend your weekends doing, and it makes you feel privileged, that's entirely up to you. In fact, if it keeps you off here, that's a good thing.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:00 pm

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I dont trust you to teach children true wisdom?

Am I allowed to have that view?

So you acted off either rags or sassy reporting me being truthful

So answer me a question.

If someone is extreme in their views and I rightly call them extreme, how is that against the rules?

Are you saying constructive criticism is wrong?

What do you suggest I state they are when they are hateful on an issue?

A buttercup?

I didn't report you, but I'm glad someone did. You called SM a "hateful extremist", which was well out of order.


To me she is an extremist

How Eddie wants to moderate that, is up to her

Is she going to moderate my thoughts daily from afar?

Any person that believes that we should fear something that does not exist, is an extremist in my view.
If she does not like that. Then she has completely become a snowflake.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:02 pm

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The definition of complete stupidity

A poster yesterday claims to be so offended and hurt, she spends the next day attempting to surpass her previous bouts of dumbness.

Rags, you can call me anuthing you like.

The point was nolt even about you.

It was about how emphatically that Eddie loves to pander victims she actually creates

The vest thing you can do is actually lose your virginity. Whether that be with a cucumber or with a man or woman. Please enjoy yourself. In the clear hope it will shake out of you, your vile personbality and make you a better person. I truley hope you get shagged silly, in the hope you overcome your insecurities and actually start enjoying life

On that I wish you luck

If it wasn't about me, stop dragging me into your pathetic posts. You know you were out of order, so just admit it and move on.

The best thing you can do is stick a cucumber in your gob and keep it there for ever so you can't speak.


I don't think a cucumber would be big enough Rags, it would take something at least the size of a watermelon.  He's obviously still on Saturday night rant time the number of blank spaces I have on threads

Indulging less might do him the world of good.

Ps can see he's back on his sex themed posts. Beyond weird.


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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:03 pm

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Didge wrote:


More signs of your jealousy

Two words you have never had the privilige of.

Dick and giving head.... Laughing

If that's what you spend your weekends doing, and it makes you feel privileged, that's entirely up to you. In fact, if it keeps you off here, that's a good thing.


How would you even know what it is to feel privilidged Rags on this matter?

It shows you have no comprehension on love

You really are that hateful, which is really hilarious that you could be this way, over nothing bad said to you.

It shows you have massive insucurity issues

The fact that you fear me being on here, proves even more so how much of a snowflake you are.

Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:17 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

If that's what you spend your weekends doing, and it makes you feel privileged, that's entirely up to you. In fact, if it keeps you off here, that's a good thing.


How would you even know what it is to feel privilidged Rags on this matter?

It shows you have no comprehension on love

You really are that hateful, which is really hilarious that you could be this way, over nothing bad said to you.

It shows you have massive insucurity issues

The fact that you fear me being on here, proves even more so how much of a snowflake you are.

Laughing

I don't think that what you referred to is anything to do with "love". You're just being pervy again.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:19 pm

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Didge wrote:


How would you even know what it is to feel privilidged Rags on this matter?

It shows you have no comprehension on love

You really are that hateful, which is really hilarious that you could be this way, over nothing bad said to you.

It shows you have massive insucurity issues

The fact that you fear me being on here, proves even more so how much of a snowflake you are.

Laughing

I don't think that what you referred to is anything to do with "love". You're just being pervy again.



Again, how would you know, when you have never engaged in such real love sexually?

Are you saying love is perverted?

I am not surprised that a Christian would claim so

You would not be the first in history to claim what is perverted and what is love,

Apparantly, this is venerating A Zombie Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:20 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think that what you referred to is anything to do with "love". You're just being pervy again.



Again, how would you know, when you have never engaged in such real love sexually?

Are you saying love is perverted?

I am not surprised that a Christian would claim so

You would not be the first in history to claim what is perverted and what is love,

Apparantly, this is venerating A Zombie Laughing

I'm saying you're being pervy, which you are. You're clearly a sex pest of some kind.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:25 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:



Again, how would you know, when you have never engaged in such real love sexually?

Are you saying love is perverted?

I am not surprised that a Christian would claim so

You would not be the first in history to claim what is perverted and what is love,

Apparantly, this is venerating A Zombie Laughing

I'm saying you're being pervy, which you are. You're clearly a sex pest of some kind.


More signs of your jealousy

I do pity how nobody is clearly attracted to you

How does that feel?

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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:30 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm saying you're being pervy, which you are. You're clearly a sex pest of some kind.


More signs of your jealousy

I do pity how nobody is clearly attracted to you

How does that feel?

You tell me - you know all about it.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:35 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:


More signs of your jealousy

I do pity how nobody is clearly attracted to you

How does that feel?

You tell me - you know all about it.


Its fanatastic Rags

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Post by eddie Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:36 pm

Stop it didge. You're really pushing the fucking boundaries today.
I really don't want to have to basement you.

I'm going to let this thread get back on topic now. Please do the same.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:38 pm

eddie wrote:Stop it didge. You're really pushing the fucking boundaries today.
I really don't want to have to basement you.

I'm going to let this thread get back on topic now. Please do the same.


So this is really interesting

People can say as they please about me and you say nothing and yet I respond to this and you warn me

Do you want me to point out how personal they have been to me and you have ignored this?

Seriously?

Frankly I do not care what they have said

But it proves you are sexist Eddie

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Post by eddie Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:44 pm

Fuck off didge. If you can't see the difference in what you're saying as opposed to other people in this then I have no hope of continuing to try and help you.

If you think I'm sexist then you really know nothing at all about me, but then, that doesn't surprise me as you choose what to think on any given day.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:47 pm

eddie wrote:Fuck off didge. If you can't see the difference in what you're saying as opposed to other people in this then I have no hope of continuing to try and help you.

If you think I'm sexist then you really know nothing at all about me, but then, that doesn't surprise me as you choose what to think on any given day.


Thank you Eddie

I have lost all faith in you being a decent human being

I you think I have no feelings to things not said to me, then it shows what a poor person you are and why I have zero respect for you

It seems people can crash all over me, but if i retaliate, you get the arse

Its pointless even discussing this with you, as you have no concern how I might actully feel over things I have been accused with.

Thanks

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Post by eddie Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:49 pm

Piss poor post. If you had a problem you should have reported it. Don't start lying now to make your point.
A temper lost, I can accept, bare-faced lies I won't.

I fucking hate liars. I've been really tolerant with you today but I will tell you I am running out of that particular quality.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:52 pm

eddie wrote:Piss poor post. If you had a problem you should have reported it. Don't start lying now to make your point.  
A temper lost, I can accept, bare-faced lies I won't.

I fucking hate liars. I've been really tolerant with you today but I will tell you I am running out of that particular quality.

You are calling me a liar?

I have been tolerant with you and you ignore how I have been treated

Do as you please

I do not suck up to idiots and you excell in that quality

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Post by eddie Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:55 pm

Yes I'm calling you a fucking liar. You actually said you didn't care about rags' comment to you and that you reported it to "make a point".

Can't abide a person who lies to make a point. Now bore off.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:58 pm

eddie wrote:Yes I'm calling you a fucking liar. You actually said you didn't care about rags' comment to you and that you reported it to "make a point".

Can't abide a person who lies to make a point. Now bore off.

Interesting

I reported it to show how fake you are

I never reported this to any other mod, did you not notice?

That is not lying

I mean do you think I am a sexual pervert?

As that is what she claimed

So I never lied and would have never reported it. I only did to prove you are fake

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Post by eddie Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:02 pm

Like I said - you have a problem with my moderating then report me.
Otherwise, shut up.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:04 pm

eddie wrote:Like I said - you have a problem with my moderating then report me.
Otherwise, shut up.

I dont have a problem

I just want you to stop taking out your hurt on me for your loss

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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:05 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Yes I'm calling you a fucking liar. You actually said you didn't care about rags' comment to you and that you reported it to "make a point".

Can't abide a person who lies to make a point. Now bore off.

Interesting

I reported it to show how fake you are

I never reported this to any other mod, did you not notice?

That is not lying

I mean do you think I am a sexual pervert?

As that is what she claimed

So I never lied and would have never reported it. I only did to prove you are fake

Take a look back at the post you made to me and answer your own question.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:07 pm

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Didge wrote:

Interesting

I reported it to show how fake you are

I never reported this to any other mod, did you not notice?

That is not lying

I mean do you think I am a sexual pervert?

As that is what she claimed

So I never lied and would have never reported it. I only did to prove you are fake

Take a look back at the post you made to me and answer your own question.

And there you go, humour is now used to class a poster as perverts apparantly

Now answer me how do you feel, in the fact you look to get poster in trouble?


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Post by eddie Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:08 pm

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eddie wrote:Like I said - you have a problem with my moderating then report me.
Otherwise, shut up.

I dont have a problem

I just want you to stop taking out your hurt on me for your loss

Oh my fucking God. You really are desperate.
I suggest you read my thread in site news and stop with your fuckeries now.
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Didge wrote:
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Take a look back at the post you made to me and answer your own question.

And there you go, humour is now used to class a poster as perverts apparantly

Now answer me how do you feel, in the fact you look to get poster in trouble?

Humour? That was supposed to be funny? Oh dear.
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:11 pm

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:

I dont have a problem

I just want you to stop taking out your hurt on me for your loss

Oh my fucking God. You really are desperate.
I suggest you read my thread in site news and stop with your fuckeries now.

Thanks eddie

I really appreciate your words and how you have been a wally here

You have no ideas what i go through

I do not announce it to the world as you do

But when you were in pain and hurting? What did I do?

Fuck it , you are now dead to me, I do not need shit from you of all people

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Post by magica Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:46 pm

I gave you a green, I meant it to be red.

I don't know what this is all about but to say she's dead to you after the week Eds had is disgusting.

Have a word with yourself!
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:52 pm

magica wrote:I gave you a green, I meant it to be red.

I don't know what this is all about but to say she's dead to you after the week Eds had is disgusting.

Have a word with yourself!

She is dead to me for a reason

What does that have to do with your ignorance here?

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Post by magica Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:55 pm

It's on here so I'm allowed in all my ignorance to make a comment.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:58 pm

magica wrote:It's on here so I'm allowed in all my ignorance to make a comment.


Well then make something constructive and intelligent

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Post by magica Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:29 pm

I did
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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:35 pm

magica wrote:I did


Really?

Please present you case?

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:22 pm

What's a Palestine??

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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Ahhhh, I see its okay for people to make false accusations about me that are hateful and personal

Thanks for clearing that up

You are right about one thing.

Its a waste of time reporting anything to you, unless I cut my dick off and call myself Phillipa

Just stick it on your head and call yourself "dickhead".


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Post by Maddog Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:34 pm

Sounds like the Palestinians need a 2nd Amendment. Shocked
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