Scientists didn't "get it wrong"

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Just thinking about the comments you sometimes see -- "Scientists once thought the Sun revolves around the Earth." "Scientists once thought we think with our hearts." "Scientists once though leeches could cure you of illnesses."

No, no and no. None of the people who thought those things were scientists in the modern sense of the word; none of them used the scientific method to reach their conclusions.

In fact, most "science" before the mid-1800s was quite haphazard and prone to guessing and overall shoddy work. Leonardo DaVinci was the rare exception before the advent of modern science who put it quite poetically:

"Many think that they can with reason blame me, alleging that my proofs are contrary to the authority of certain men held in great reverence by their inexperienced judgments, not considering that my works are the issue of simple and plain experience which is the true mistress.

These rules enable you to know the true from the false – and this induces men to look only for things that are possible and with due moderation – and they forbid you to use a cloak of ignorance, which will bring about that you attain to no result and despair abandon yourself to melancholy."

I think it would be fair to say that comparing the "scientists" who came before the widespread use of the scientific method to today's scientists would be like comparing witch doctors to modern physicians.

... um, discuss.

Eilzel wrote:So HF, in this ancient world (which I do not dispute):

What happened to the dinosaurs?
Did people live with dinosaurs?
Did people get 'magicked' onto Earth at some later date by God?
Why are there no fossils of any species existent today from ancient times?

the first destruction of the earth would have destroyed everything on the planet which would of killed off dinosaurs etc..when we get to re-creation God starts again with adam and eve.

Haha, re-creation... ok thanks for that HF, I have no more left to say

Eilzel wrote:Haha, re-creation... ok thanks for that HF, I have no more left to say

It's all their but clearly you wouldn't understand, the terms used in genesis make things quite clear, certain words are used for specific things a term is used meaning God created something, miraculously, instantly and a different term meaning he created something by moulding or crafting, this terminology makes some very interesting points, for example when it says and the Lord said let there be light, he uses a word which gives permission for the light to shine, so the source of the light was there but not functioning or perhaps had been commanded by God to stop shining, the word used there was not God creating light, eilzel you should get yourself a strong/s exhaustive bible concordance they are excellent for study.

What's the Biblical basis for there being TWO creations? And like I asked earlier, did God make us in his image?

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's the Biblical basis for there being TWO creations? And like I asked earlier, did God make us in his image?

As i said on my post above, their were two destructive floods, one clearly destroyed everything on the planet an ice age really, a term in genesis says replenish, which implies it has been filled before but now needs refilling.

Yes i believe God made us in his image.

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's the Biblical basis for there being TWO creations? And like I asked earlier, did God make us in his image?

As i said on my post above, their were two destructive floods, one clearly destroyed everything on the planet an ice age really, a term in genesis says replenish, which implies it has been filled before but now needs refilling.

Yes i believe God made us in his image.

OK, I'm interested in that. If we're in God's image, what did God need with a digestive system, a reproductive system, etc.? Does God eat? Does God have sex?

If God is omnipotent, he can see everything at once -- why two forward-facing eyes? What does God do with two legs and two feet if he can be anywhere instantly?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

As i said on my post above, their were two destructive floods, one clearly destroyed everything on the planet an ice age really, a term in genesis says replenish, which implies it has been filled before but now needs refilling.

Yes i believe God made us in his image.

OK, I'm interested in that. If we're in God's image, what did God need with a digestive system, a reproductive system, etc.? Does God eat? Does God have sex?

If God is omnipotent, he can see everything at once -- why two forward-facing eyes? What does God do with two legs and two feet if he can be anywhere instantly?

Yeah it clearly doesn't mean quite so literally as we all would look identical and we don't. I believe it means with a clear thought pattern, intelligence, creativity..

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

As i said on my post above, their were two destructive floods, one clearly destroyed everything on the planet an ice age really, a term in genesis says replenish, which implies it has been filled before but now needs refilling.

Yes i believe God made us in his image.

OK, I'm interested in that. If we're in God's image, what did God need with a digestive system, a reproductive system, etc.? Does God eat? Does God have sex?

If God is omnipotent, he can see everything at once -- why two forward-facing eyes? What does God do with two legs and two feet if he can be anywhere instantly?

Yeah it clearly doesn't mean quite so literally as we all would look identical and we don't. I believe it means with a clear thought pattern, intelligence, creativity..

OK, why does God call bats "birds"?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

Yeah it clearly doesn't mean quite so literally as we all would look identical and we don't. I believe it means with a clear thought pattern, intelligence, creativity..

OK, why does God call bats "birds"?

I have no idea, perhaps the verse would help me or you could get a strongs exhaustive concordance they help you better understand the hebrew and greek meanings it can be very complex.

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

Yeah it clearly doesn't mean quite so literally as we all would look identical and we don't. I believe it means with a clear thought pattern, intelligence, creativity..

OK, why does God call bats "birds"?

I have no idea, perhaps the verse would help me or you could get a strongs exhaustive concordance they help you better understand the hebrew and greek meanings it can be very complex.

Why would God let a mix-up like that happen?

Why did he only talk to Satan in Job?

Also, in Ezekiel, God says:

"I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries."

Why did God tell this lie?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

I have no idea, perhaps the verse would help me or you could get a strongs exhaustive concordance they help you better understand the hebrew and greek meanings it can be very complex.

Why would God let a mix-up like that happen?

Why did he only talk to Satan in Job?

Also, in Ezekiel, God says:

"I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries."

Why did God tell this lie?

Who says its God 's mix up, it could be your interpretation, if i do not have the verse i cannot help, i doubt the mix up is with God as he states birds in many scriptures and even sparrows and doves by name..

satan was still allowed to talk to God, eventually a floor was set in the throne room which stopped satan from entering..

why is that a lie, Egypt were a rich and powerful nation, huge army and quite aggressive, i don't see that is the case any more..

you do realise there is a huge difference to having read the bible and having understood it...

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

I have no idea, perhaps the verse would help me or you could get a strongs exhaustive concordance they help you better understand the hebrew and greek meanings it can be very complex.

Why would God let a mix-up like that happen?

Why did he only talk to Satan in Job?

Also, in Ezekiel, God says:

"I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries."

Why did God tell this lie?

Who says its God 's mix up, it could be your interpretation, if i do not have the verse i cannot help, i doubt the mix up is with God as he states birds in many scriptures and even sparrows and doves by name..

satan was still allowed to talk to God, eventually a floor was set in the throne room which stopped satan from entering..

why is that a lie, Egypt were a rich and powerful nation, huge army and quite aggressive, i don't see that is the case any more..

you do realise there is a huge difference to having read the bible and having understood it...

You're quite right, I don't understand anything in that book. But what about the part that clearly states: "I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries." I mean, that just did not happen.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

Who says its God 's mix up, it could be your interpretation, if i do not have the verse i cannot help, i doubt the mix up is with God as he states birds in many scriptures and even sparrows and doves by name..

satan was still allowed to talk to God, eventually a floor was set in the throne room which stopped satan from entering..

why is that a lie, Egypt were a rich and powerful nation, huge army and quite aggressive, i don't see that is the case any more..

you do realise there is a huge difference to having read the bible and having understood it...

You're quite right, I don't understand anything in that book. But what about the part that clearly states: "I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries." I mean, that just did not happen.

it depends how literally you take things, as i said Egypt was a huge and powerful nation and a constant threat to all its neighbours but it is not a viable aggressive force anymore, you may find that is the to what it was referring.

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

Who says its God 's mix up, it could be your interpretation, if i do not have the verse i cannot help, i doubt the mix up is with God as he states birds in many scriptures and even sparrows and doves by name..

satan was still allowed to talk to God, eventually a floor was set in the throne room which stopped satan from entering..

why is that a lie, Egypt were a rich and powerful nation, huge army and quite aggressive, i don't see that is the case any more..

you do realise there is a huge difference to having read the bible and having understood it...

You're quite right, I don't understand anything in that book. But what about the part that clearly states: "I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries." I mean, that just did not happen.

it depends how literally you take things, as i said Egypt was a huge and powerful nation and a constant threat to all its neighbours but it is not a viable aggressive force anymore, you may find that is the to what it was referring.

So how do we determine how literally to take any part of the Bible? And why would God write a book that wasn't meant to be taken literally in the first place; wouldn't he want to make it as clear and direct as possible? Are only people with advanced literary analysis skills welcome in Heaven?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:


it depends how literally you take things, as i said Egypt was a huge and powerful nation and a constant threat to all its neighbours but it is not a viable aggressive force anymore, you may find that is the to what it was referring.

So how do we determine how literally to take any part of the Bible? And why would God write a book that wasn't meant to be taken literally in the first place; wouldn't he want to make it as clear and direct as possible? Are only people with advanced literary analysis skills welcome in Heaven?

perhaps literally was the wrong word to use but you always find with the word of God there is deeper meaning to what is seemingly there, partly because of the hebrew you could look at lots of sites that go into meanings of the pictures that represented letters and even what significance numbers, colours and even metals had in the bible.

gosh i hope you don't have to have advanced literary and analysis skills i would be in serious trouble, you just need the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you.

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:


it depends how literally you take things, as i said Egypt was a huge and powerful nation and a constant threat to all its neighbours but it is not a viable aggressive force anymore, you may find that is the to what it was referring.

So how do we determine how literally to take any part of the Bible? And why would God write a book that wasn't meant to be taken literally in the first place; wouldn't he want to make it as clear and direct as possible? Are only people with advanced literary analysis skills welcome in Heaven?

perhaps literally was the wrong word to use but you always find with the word of God there is deeper meaning to what is seemingly there, partly because of the hebrew you could look at lots of sites that go into meanings of the pictures that represented letters and even what significance numbers, colours and even metals had in the bible.

gosh i hope you don't have to have advanced literary and analysis skills i would be in serious trouble, you just need the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you.

Why didn't God just make perfect translations available in all languages? I thought he "so loved the world"?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

perhaps literally was the wrong word to use but you always find with the word of God there is deeper meaning to what is seemingly there, partly because of the hebrew you could look at lots of sites that go into meanings of the pictures that represented letters and even what significance numbers, colours and even metals had in the bible.

gosh i hope you don't have to have advanced literary and analysis skills i would be in serious trouble, you just need the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you.

Why didn't God just make perfect translations available in all languages? I thought he "so loved the world"?

he wants you to search deeper, he wants a relationship, its not a novel it doesn't work like that..
I think most the time it is quite clear and black and white but people don't like that as it tends to show them they are wrong, so they look for little bits of grey to move around in so they can do more what they want, a classic example of this is the idea that being homosexual cannot be against Gods word because the word homosexual never existed then or its ok to be a lesbian because it does not mention lesbians just gay men.

Like i say.....apparantly the bible is the inerrant word of god, ......that needs "interpreting" How ridiculous.

Oi HF.

is god omniscient? that is to say knows everything that was, is and yet will be?

is it SOLEY the remit of god to "create" souls...or is satan equally able

is satan as powerful as god?

YES OR NO answers to the above ONLY

finally why does god apply dual standards to everyone...in as much as he says "visit not the sins of the father upon the children"...YET is STILL punising "us" (apparently) for the "sin" of Adam.

NOW...I'm betting HF will either

pretend he hasnt seen this

run away and hide

invoke a circular argument

OR deflect from what he (probably) knows is going to come next....

grumpy old git wrote:Oi HF.

is god omniscient? that is to say knows everything that was, is and yet will be?

is it SOLEY the remit of god to "create" souls...or is satan equally able

is satan as powerful as god?

YES OR NO answers to the above ONLY

finally why does god apply dual standards to everyone...in as much as he says "visit not the sins of the father upon the children"...YET is STILL punising "us" (apparently) for the "sin" of Adam.

NOW...I'm betting HF will either

pretend he hasnt seen this

run away and hide

invoke a circular argument

OR deflect from what he (probably) knows is going to come next....

yes, yes only God, no...
he is not punishing us for adams sins, everyone of us have sinned but sin is more about what separates us from God and God gave a way for that separation to be paid for once and for all.

how has a new born child sinned?

grumpy old git wrote:how has a new born child sinned?

they haven't, they would go to heaven.

but they can also still suffer (the punishment for adam's "sin")

grumpy old git wrote:but they can also still suffer (the punishment for adam's "sin")

No they wouldn't they would go to heaven, they are not responsible for their sins.

If God truly cares about all of us and doesn't want to damn us to Hell, why doesn't he just speak unequivocally to each and every person so there would be no trouble believing in him, or just do away with the requirement that you believe in the first place and simply reward the good and punish the bad?

Wouldn't that make far more sense than only telling a few people about his existence and then asking them to go out into a world in which people are known to lie, and tell the rest of us?

If I can come up with that, why can't an all-knowing God? If it can't be that simple, why can't it?

Why would God give people the freedom of choice and then make all but one of those choices lead not only to punishment, not only to torture, but to eternal non-stop torture?

If a human judge were able to sentence someone to eternal non-stop torture, and did it to millions of people, wouldn't we deem that person a monster?

any hows...so god is omniscient

so he knows what a "soul" is going to do BEFORE he creates it

so he creates it , knowing FULL well that it will be an unrepentant sinner

then frys it for all eternity in the sulphurous pit (or whatever)

thats just........evil?

grumpy old git wrote:any hows...so god is omniscient

so he knows what a "soul" is going to do BEFORE he creates it

so he creates it , knowing FULL well that it will be an unrepentant sinner

then frys it for all eternity in the sulphurous pit (or whatever)

thats just........evil?

No it isn't because he creates the soul and that soul has choices through life, remember he has no beginning or end and exists outside of time, he can then give that soul every opportunity through time to make a decision to have faith, so he is actually giving that soul a chance to survive..

heavenly father wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:any hows...so god is omniscient

so he knows what a "soul" is going to do BEFORE he creates it

so he creates it , knowing FULL well that it will be an unrepentant sinner

then frys it for all eternity in the sulphurous pit (or whatever)

thats just........evil?

No it isn't because he creates the soul and that soul has choices through life, remember he has no beginning or end and exists outside of time, he can then give that soul every opportunity through time to make a decision to have faith, so he is actually giving that soul a chance to survive..

CIRCULAR ARGUMENT.....i knew it


God ALREADY knows What choices that soul will make, He Knows its decisions BEFORE he creates it...(unless...god isnt omniscient)

hint...an omniscient god RULES OUT true "free will"...leaving only the illusion....

grumpy old git wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

No it isn't because he creates the soul and that soul has choices through life, remember he has no beginning or end and exists outside of time, he can then give that soul every opportunity through time to make a decision to have faith, so he is actually giving that soul a chance to survive..

CIRCULAR ARGUMENT.....i knew it


God ALREADY knows What choices that soul will make, He Knows its decisions BEFORE he creates it...(unless...god isnt omniscient)

the fact he knows does not mean he does not give you a chance, he has given your soul a chance.

heavenly father wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

No it isn't because he creates the soul and that soul has choices through life, remember he has no beginning or end and exists outside of time, he can then give that soul every opportunity through time to make a decision to have faith, so he is actually giving that soul a chance to survive..

CIRCULAR ARGUMENT.....i knew it


God ALREADY knows What choices that soul will make, He Knows its decisions BEFORE he creates it...(unless...god isnt omniscient)

the fact he knows does not mean he does not give you a chance, he has given your soul a chance.

Balderdash. Free will implies that the outcome is unknown; omniscience requires that the outcome is known before the onset. If free will truly existed, it would have to be possible to surprise God.

grumpy old git wrote:any hows...so god is omniscient

so he knows what a "soul" is going to do BEFORE he creates it

so he creates it , knowing FULL well that it will be an unrepentant sinner

then frys it for all eternity in the sulphurous pit (or whatever)

thats just........evil?

The Serpent Predater of GOD

For tens of Thousands of Years the People have Worshipped the Eternal being






Still do

 

the Serpent is because it it, the intricacies of man are irrelevant to the Eternal one

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You may go to hell, But I much prefer to enter the Dreaming.....

well thats ok.....I aint goint to hell...cos there aint no such place...nor "satan"
nor is there any concept of "sin" one can break mans laws...we are however too insignificant to "offend" the creator.

That last statement of yours...."the Serpent is because it it, the intricacies of man are irrelevant to the Eternal one" is very much in accordance with MY philosophy.

@grumpy
That is why I do like the Aboriginal Dreaming legends and Philosophies they are either practical and teach how to get food etc. or they just display how insignificant we are.

hence my thoughts of the creator who says...here's your universe, warts and all....now catch me if you can...and have fun on the way......

heavenly father wrote:

Eilzel wrote:
Haha, re-creation... ok thanks for that HF, I have no more left to say

It's all their but clearly you wouldn't understand......

certain words are used for specific things a term is used meaning God created something, miraculously, instantly and a different term meaning he created something by moulding or crafting.....

when it says and the Lord said let there be light, he uses a word which gives permission for the light to shine, so the source of the light was there but not functioning or perhaps had been commanded by God to stop shining....

eilzel you should get yourself a strong/s exhaustive bible concordance they are excellent for study.

  

YEP...   Clear as mud !!!

Nothing like people such as Heavenly Father (and a couple of others on here, not yet seen on this thread..), who know zilch about science in general, let alone the specifics of such fields as genetics, evolution, or palaeontology, then claiming that they "study" the Bible and/or other religious and philosophical works...

And THEN attempting, and failing, to use the dubious results of such ludicrous "study" efforts to think that they are somehow debunking or disproving such issues as climate change, industrial pollution, environmental degradation, modern day famines, or as in Mr. Father's case here, evolutionary theory..  

WHEN they are oh so obviously not managing to do any such thing !   

Beekeeper wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

It's all their but clearly you wouldn't understand......

certain words are used for specific things a term is used meaning God created something, miraculously, instantly and a different term meaning he created something by moulding or crafting.....

when it says and the Lord said let there be light, he uses a word which gives permission for the light to shine, so the source of the light was there but not functioning or perhaps had been commanded by God to stop shining....

eilzel you should get yourself a strong/s exhaustive bible concordance they are excellent for study.

  

YEP...   Clear as mud !!!

Nothing like people such as Heavenly Father (and a couple of others on here, not yet seen on this thread..), who know zilch about science in general, let alone the specifics of such fields as genetics, evolution, or palaeontology, then claiming that they "study" the Bible and/or other religious and philosophical works...

And THEN attempting, and failing, to use the dubious results of such ludicrous "study" efforts to think that they are somehow debunking or disproving such issues as climate change, industrial pollution, environmental degradation, modern day famines, or as in Mr. Father's case here, evolutionary theory..  

WHEN they are oh so obviously not managing to do any such thing !   

yep typical of the idiots you get on here they deny God exists as to them no proof exists but when a man who on average lives lets say 80 odd years tells you what happened billions of years ago you believe it, talk about gullible...  

heavenly father wrote:

grumpy old git wrote:

CIRCULAR ARGUMENT.....i knew it

God ALREADY knows What choices that soul will make, He Knows its decisions BEFORE he creates it...(unless...god isnt omniscient)

the fact he knows does not mean he does not give you a chance, he has given your soul a chance.

    

IF THERE TURNS OUT TO BE an all-seeing and all-knowing omnipotent and omnipresent "God" living upon the mountains overlooking the Western side of the Lake down here [well really (!), you didn't expect a cool dude like God to be stuck in flooded England, or freezing his ancient toes over in downtown New York did you ?]..

THEN His/Her/Their greatest joke visited upon this world, has surely been the production of those foolishly stupid and laughably zealots of the likes of Heavenly Father, StarDesk, and anyone else who who follows their assorted dogmatisms..
AS HE surely couldn't have been serious when He created such LooneyTunes !    

is that opposed to the man made religion of evolution, i tell you what you have more faith than me if you are trusting to evolution.

heavenly father wrote:
is that opposed to the man made religion of evolution, i tell you what you have more faith than me if you are trusting to evolution.

  

EVOLUTION isn't a "religion"...

Neither is Climate Change..

IT IS a great pity that you know so little about religions (not even just what a "religion" actually is !) and nothing at all about science, Heavenly Father ~ as that makes it virtually impossible for you to have an intelligent dialogue with other members on either subject !   

Beekeeper wrote:

heavenly father wrote:
is that opposed to the man made religion of evolution, i tell you what you have more faith than me if you are trusting to evolution.

  

EVOLUTION isn't a "religion"...

Neither is Climate Change..

IT IS a great pity that you know so little about religions (not even just what a "religion" actually is !) and nothing at all about science, Heavenly Father ~ as that makes it virtually impossible for you to have an intelligent dialogue with other members on either subject !      

yeah evolution is a man made religion, I know plenty about the science or lack there of in evolution and it does not stand much scrutiny.

heavenly father wrote:

Beekeeper wrote:
  

EVOLUTION isn't a "religion"...

Neither is Climate Change..

IT IS a great pity that you know so little about religions (not even just what a "religion" actually is !) and nothing at all about science, Heavenly Father ~ as that makes it virtually impossible for you to have an intelligent dialogue with other members on either subject !     

 

yeah evolution is a man made religion, I know plenty about the science or lack there of in evolution and it does not stand much scrutiny.

  

YOU should have been a comedian, with such nonsensical claims, H_F !!!

YOU obviously really have no idea of just what a religions is !  :-:bravo:-: 

AND NO, Heavenly_Father ~  you really  DON'T  know anything about science..  Least of all Evolution...   ::dedhrs::

So HF, the majority of Christians in this country also accept evolution- what is their religion?

And please list the evidence for YOUR God, which makes the hypothesis more likely than evolution- since you insist the two are exclusive (which they actually aren't).

Even Christian zealot Pat Robertson has a problem with creationist baloney:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/05/pat-robertson-implores-creationist-ken-ham-to-shut-up-lets-not-make-a-joke-of-ourselves/#.UvLFIur6LtE.twitter

Eilzel wrote:So HF, the majority of Christians in this country also accept evolution- what is their religion?

And please list the evidence for YOUR God, which makes the hypothesis more likely than evolution- since you insist the two are exclusive (which they actually aren't).

ok where's your list that show this majority of Christians who believe evolution.. :D 

He's just trolling, guys.

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Ben_Reilly wrote:He's just trolling, guys.

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i do hope that is not directed at me..

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:He's just trolling, guys.

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i do hope that is not directed at me..

It certainly is.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

i do hope that is not directed at me..

It certainly is.

I don't have to remind you of your own rules again do I, you will have to ban yourself at this rate... :D 

I do not troll and stand up for my beliefs and i stand against things I do not believe..

heavenly father wrote:I know plenty about the science or lack there of in evolution and it does not stand much scrutiny.

If that's not trolling, I don't know what is. You have proven over and over you haven't the most basic knowledge of what evolution is about, and you refuse to learn.