Australia islamist terrorist plots foiled

First topic message reminder :

Details of the recent plane bombing attempt and another plot of a chemical attack...


http://news.sky.com/story/plot-foiled-to-blow-up-uae-bound-plane-with-barbie-doll-bomb-10999147

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

How do you convict an islamist terrorist who has blown themselves up, or is shot dead by police, while carrying out attack...!?

Quill said...

I guess you find another line of work. Ya ain't doin' no good as a law enforcement officer.

Firstly... it is up to a court/judge/jury to convict someone...

Secondly... a dead terrorist can't be convicted...!

So your question about conviction rate is irrelevant and superfluous...!!!

Don't be silly, tommy. What good is an arrest if you can't get a conviction? A charge is just a charge...any fool can bring one. If you haven't got a case, you haven't accomplished anything..

I didn't necessarily mean to be critical of the police. It's just that they are not doing any good, regardless of the reason. Maybe it's the paucity of criminals.

Original Quill wrote:I guess you find another line of work.  Ya ain't doin' no good as a law enforcement officer.

Your bloody awful attitude is an insult to all those that have died at the hands of Islamic terrorists. Furthermore it's an insult to the men an women of our police who have to put their lives on the line. For example, the officers that tackled the terrorist armed with a four foot sword! No guns no 30 yard rule. Just bravery.

Miffs2 wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I guess you find another line of work.  Ya ain't doin' no good as a law enforcement officer.

Your bloody awful attitude is an insult to all those that have died at the hands of Islamic  terrorists.  Furthermore it's an insult to the men an women of our police who have to put their lives on the line. For example, the officers that tackled the terrorist armed with a four foot sword! No guns no 30 yard rule. Just bravery.

+1

I sometimes wonder about Quill, he's supposed to be an educated Lawyer. A lot of times I think he's a Builders Labourer who reads the papers when on a Tea break. but doesn't get time to finish them before the whistle blows.

Anyone can choose to be whoever they want to be on a forum.
Some people are truthful, some are not.

Quill still seems to have failed to grasp the fact that you cannot convict a dead terrorist...

Syl wrote:Anyone can choose to be  whoever they want to be on a forum.
Some people are truthful, some are not.

I think it's rather sad but some people have to make things up about themselves to impress total strangers.

Miffs2 wrote:

Original Quill wrote:I guess you find another line of work.  Ya ain't doin' no good as a law enforcement officer.

Your bloody awful attitude is an insult to all those that have died at the hands of Islamic  terrorists.  Furthermore it's an insult to the men an women of our police who have to put their lives on the line. For example, the officers that tackled the terrorist armed with a four foot sword! No guns no 30 yard rule. Just bravery.

Blow it out your ass, nems.  Exactly how is my complimenting Australians for their integrity and incorruptibility in treating Muslims, an insult?  The only ones insulted are warmongers like didge, which in turn goes a long way in branding your stripe (I notice you got a warmonger greenie by your gangmate).

How many of those babies that you work with, do you intend to sacrifice to your love of war?  Despite living in the exact proximity of Islam, Australia has managed to treat the problem with delicacy...and not barge in with guns, warplanes and canon.  And you find something to criticize in that?  Let's be frank...you Brits with your dreams of empire, and "the sun never sets" on us, invited this whole thing.  BFD...we in the US kicked your warmongering asses out.  But others like India and Pakistan went along with the program, believing your promise that it is a two-way street.  Now, when the tables turn, and the Pakistanis want to settle in East London, you are all a-gush with violence and hate.

The rest of the world watches with well-worn bemusement.

Original Quill wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:

Your bloody awful attitude is an insult to all those that have died at the hands of Islamic  terrorists.  Furthermore it's an insult to the men an women of our police who have to put their lives on the line. For example, the officers that tackled the terrorist armed with a four foot sword! No guns no 30 yard rule. Just bravery.

Blow it out your ass, nems.  Exactly how is my complimenting Australians for their integrity and incorruptibility in treating Muslims, an insult?  The only ones insulted are warmongers like didge, which in turn goes a long way in branding your stripe (I notice you got a warmonger greenie by your gangmate).

How many of those babies that you work with, do you intend to sacrifice to your love of war?  Despite living in the exact proximity of Islam, Australia has managed to treat the problem with delicacy...and not barge in with guns, warplanes and canon.  And you find something to criticize in that?  Let's be frank...you Brits with your dreams of empire, and "the sun never sets" on us, invited this whole thing.  BFD...we kicked your warmongering asses out.  But others went along with the program, expecting it was a two-way street.  Now, when the tables turn, and the Pakistanis want to settle in East London, you are all a-gush with violence and hate.

The rest of the world watches with bemusement.

Which shows again how clueless you are, being as i have shown they have extremism and terrorism.

For you to respond to again



I am not off point at all. The antipathy started with the Muslims invading Europe, which saw centuries of wars in Spain and the Balkans. What you are saying is their invasions never caused any problems and that nobody was subjugated. Well I have news for you. The Quran is very specific in how it treats non-Muslims, as basically third class citizens. Granted at the time better than the Christian west, but on a par with what is Apartheid today. You are just ignoring history and blaming the west, when all are to blame. In fact even failing to understand that the crusades were more about minor Frankish nobles carving out Kingdoms for themselves.

Yes they used religion, but also made pacts with many of the local Muslim leaders.
So you see, to making a starting point at the crusades is disingenuous. There is no doubt the crusades caused resentment and even more so to Orthodox Christians and Jews also, slaughtered by them. But lets take a reality check. It is religion per say that has always been the problem in the region, where people lay claim to lands as being holy.

So by your reasoning, if we stopped antagonizing the Far Right, they would simple go away?
Do you see how absurd that view is and even worse is surrendering to the view that you must not try to then offend people, in case they resort to violence? Are you really suggesting that?

I mean even worse, you are arguing that there is something inherently wrong with Islamic teaching. By the view not to offend them, the problems might go away. Except this has been the reality of literal religious belief for over 2000 years, no matter whether its Islam or Christianity or Judaism etc and you want to bow down to intimidation? Or a fear they will commit to violence

Can you imagine that line on Nazism? That by not offending Nazi's that you hope the problem will go away? You see how you actually are surrendering to fear yourself here and how you thus view then Islamist's are easily offended and that you want to pander to them? As why else suggest such a stance on conflicts in regards to Muslim majority nations? Everyone gets their feelings trodden on at some point, but to say this is a reason to believe the problems will stop. If we just stopped trying to offend people, when they think its offensive to even criticize Islam. Shows such thinking would mean capitulating to Nazism, in fear we may offend them by being critical of them. Shows how absurd such thinking is.

I mean why not just bow down to any demands they then want eh Quill?
You would then be bowing down towards Mecca in no time, based off a fear you have, not to antagonize Muslim extremists.

This is why we stand up to any extremism and that violence is not the way, when you disagree. What you do, as has happened over centuries, is reason why something is wrong. That is how slavery ended in the UK. That is how women obtained the vote etc.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Blow it out your ass, nems.  Exactly how is my complimenting Australians for their integrity and incorruptibility in treating Muslims, an insult?  The only ones insulted are warmongers like didge, which in turn goes a long way in branding your stripe (I notice you got a warmonger greenie by your gangmate).

How many of those babies that you work with, do you intend to sacrifice to your love of war?  Despite living in the exact proximity of Islam, Australia has managed to treat the problem with delicacy...and not barge in with guns, warplanes and canon.  And you find something to criticize in that?  Let's be frank...you Brits with your dreams of empire, and "the sun never sets" on us, invited this whole thing.  BFD...we kicked your warmongering asses out.  But others went along with the program, expecting it was a two-way street.  Now, when the tables turn, and the Pakistanis want to settle in East London, you are all a-gush with violence and hate.

The rest of the world watches with bemusement.

Which shows again how clueless you are, being as i have shown they have extremism and terrorism.

For you to respond to again



I am not off point at all. The antipathy started with the Muslims invading Europe, which saw centuries of wars in Spain and the Balkans. What you are saying is their invasions never caused any problems and that nobody was subjugated. Well I have news for you. The Quran is very specific in how it treats non-Muslims, as basically third class citizens. Granted at the time better than the Christian west, but on a par with what is Apartheid today. You are just ignoring history and blaming the west, when all are to blame. In fact even failing to understand that the crusades were more about minor Frankish nobles carving out Kingdoms for themselves.

Yes they used religion, but also made pacts with many of the local Muslim leaders.
So you see, to making a starting point at the crusades is disingenuous. There is no doubt the crusades caused resentment and even more so to Orthodox Christians and Jews also, slaughtered by them. But lets take a reality check. It is religion per say that has always been the problem in the region, where people lay claim to lands as being holy.

So by your reasoning, if we stopped antagonizing the Far Right, they would simple go away?
Do you see how absurd that view is and even worse is surrendering to the view that you must not try to then offend people, in case they resort to violence? Are you really suggesting that?

I mean even worse, you are arguing that there is something inherently wrong with Islamic teaching. By the view not to offend them, the problems might go away. Except this has been the reality of literal religious belief for over 2000 years, no matter whether its Islam or Christianity or Judaism etc and you want to bow down to intimidation? Or a fear they will commit to violence

Can you imagine that line on Nazism? That by not offending Nazi's that you hope the problem will go away? You see how you actually are surrendering to fear yourself here and how you thus view then Islamist's are easily offended and that you want to pander to them? As why else suggest such a stance on conflicts in regards to Muslim majority nations? Everyone gets their feelings trodden on at some point, but to say this is a reason to believe the problems will stop. If we just stopped trying to offend people, when they think its offensive to even criticize Islam. Shows such thinking would mean capitulating to Nazism, in fear we may offend them by being critical of them. Shows how absurd such thinking is.

I mean why not just bow down to any demands they then want eh Quill?
You would then be bowing down towards Mecca in no time, based off a fear you have, not to antagonize Muslim extremists.

This is why we stand up to any extremism and that violence is not the way, when you disagree. What you do, as has happened over centuries, is reason why something is wrong. That is how slavery ended in the UK. That is how women obtained the vote etc.

Ahh...the warmonger-in-chief, here to regale us with his irrelevant paints.  Watch as he tries to demean Australia, too. Good luck, nems.  I'll check back.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Which shows again how clueless you are, being as i have shown they have extremism and terrorism.

For you to respond to again



I am not off point at all. The antipathy started with the Muslims invading Europe, which saw centuries of wars in Spain and the Balkans. What you are saying is their invasions never caused any problems and that nobody was subjugated. Well I have news for you. The Quran is very specific in how it treats non-Muslims, as basically third class citizens. Granted at the time better than the Christian west, but on a par with what is Apartheid today. You are just ignoring history and blaming the west, when all are to blame. In fact even failing to understand that the crusades were more about minor Frankish nobles carving out Kingdoms for themselves.

Yes they used religion, but also made pacts with many of the local Muslim leaders.
So you see, to making a starting point at the crusades is disingenuous. There is no doubt the crusades caused resentment and even more so to Orthodox Christians and Jews also, slaughtered by them. But lets take a reality check. It is religion per say that has always been the problem in the region, where people lay claim to lands as being holy.

So by your reasoning, if we stopped antagonizing the Far Right, they would simple go away?
Do you see how absurd that view is and even worse is surrendering to the view that you must not try to then offend people, in case they resort to violence? Are you really suggesting that?

I mean even worse, you are arguing that there is something inherently wrong with Islamic teaching. By the view not to offend them, the problems might go away. Except this has been the reality of literal religious belief for over 2000 years, no matter whether its Islam or Christianity or Judaism etc and you want to bow down to intimidation? Or a fear they will commit to violence

Can you imagine that line on Nazism? That by not offending Nazi's that you hope the problem will go away? You see how you actually are surrendering to fear yourself here and how you thus view then Islamist's are easily offended and that you want to pander to them? As why else suggest such a stance on conflicts in regards to Muslim majority nations? Everyone gets their feelings trodden on at some point, but to say this is a reason to believe the problems will stop. If we just stopped trying to offend people, when they think its offensive to even criticize Islam. Shows such thinking would mean capitulating to Nazism, in fear we may offend them by being critical of them. Shows how absurd such thinking is.

I mean why not just bow down to any demands they then want eh Quill?
You would then be bowing down towards Mecca in no time, based off a fear you have, not to antagonize Muslim extremists.

This is why we stand up to any extremism and that violence is not the way, when you disagree. What you do, as has happened over centuries, is reason why something is wrong. That is how slavery ended in the UK. That is how women obtained the vote etc.

Ahh...the warmonger -in-chief.  Good luck, nems.

Ah the usual copout reply from the Pacificst

Pacifism never won WW2 Quill

Thorin wrote:Pacifism never won WW2 Quill

I agree. But, it's another irrelevant point. Australia is doing very well with diplomacy and fairness. Your warmongering is neither needed nor wanted.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:Pacifism never won WW2 Quill

I agree.  But, it's another irrelevant point.  Australia is doing very well with diplomacy and fairness.  Your warmongering is neither needed nor wanted.

Again gibberish, failing to understand it has nothing to do with fairness, but the secular free society Australia has which is at odds with Islamism. Hence why all said secular free democratic countries are targets from Islamist's.
I offer no warmongering here, just showing up your failings in knowing history and understanding the problems we face with extreme views. Its like I said, do you think by being nice about Nazism and white supremacy, will tackle extremism in the US?

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I agree.  But, it's another irrelevant point.  Australia is doing very well with diplomacy and fairness.  Your warmongering is neither needed nor wanted.

Again gibberish, failing to understand it has nothing to do with fairness, but the secular free society Australia has which is at odds with Islamism. Hence why all said secular free democratic countries are targets from Islamist's.
I offer no warmongering here, just showing up your failings in knowing history and understanding the problems we face with extreme views. Its like I said, do you think by being nice about Nazism and white supremacy, will tackle extremism in the US?

Semantical argument. Australia does it right. Nuff said...

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Again gibberish, failing to understand it has nothing to do with fairness, but the secular free society Australia has which is at odds with Islamism. Hence why all said secular free democratic countries are targets from Islamist's.
I offer no warmongering here, just showing up your failings in knowing history and understanding the problems we face with extreme views. Its like I said, do you think by being nice about Nazism and white supremacy, will tackle extremism in the US?

Semantical argument.  Australia does it right.  Nuff said...

Imbecilic reply, as seen still suffer terrorism as they have from Islamic extremists

Quill, watch SKY NEWS. You are obviously ignorant of what goes on in the world today, or, where you live, all news reaches you with the bad bits cut out and only sweetness and light is printed !

nicko wrote:Quill, watch SKY NEWS.    You are obviously ignorant of what goes on in the world today,  or, where you live, all news reaches you with the bad bits cut out and only sweetness and light is printed !

Nonsense.  Most news is via the Internet, and that's world-wide.  As for print news, only the New York Times and Washington Post are deep investigators, and bring you fresh information, where it's happening.  Unfortunately, Sky News lags way behind, kinda in a follow-up cadre in the business.  You might say, Sky News reads the New York Times and Washington Post.  

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:Quill, watch SKY NEWS.    You are obviously ignorant of what goes on in the world today,  or, where you live, all news reaches you with the bad bits cut out and only sweetness and light is printed !

Nonsense.  Most news is via the Internet, and that's world-wide.  As for print news, only the New York Times and Washington Post are deep investigators, and bring you fresh information, where it's happening.  Unfortunately, Sky News lags way behind, kinda in a follow-up cadre in the business.  You might say, Sky News reads the New York Times and Washington Post.  

Well lets have some Australian news to show how utterly dumb you are on this topic

http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-11-imminent-terror-attacks-australia-narrowly-escaped/news-story/86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/timeline-of-australias-terrorist-attacks/news-story/911996db7a6d740d3a54991bdd709196

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Nonsense.  Most news is via the Internet, and that's world-wide.  As for print news, only the New York Times and Washington Post are deep investigators, and bring you fresh information, where it's happening.  Unfortunately, Sky News lags way behind, kinda in a follow-up cadre in the business.  You might say, Sky News reads the New York Times and Washington Post.  

Well lets have some Australian news to show how utterly dumb you are on this topic

http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-11-imminent-terror-attacks-australia-narrowly-escaped/news-story/86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/timeline-of-australias-terrorist-attacks/news-story/911996db7a6d740d3a54991bdd709196

Haha...Breitbart. Aus. Fair and Balanced from down under.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Well lets have some Australian news to show how utterly dumb you are on this topic

http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-11-imminent-terror-attacks-australia-narrowly-escaped/news-story/86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/timeline-of-australias-terrorist-attacks/news-story/911996db7a6d740d3a54991bdd709196

Haha...Breitbart. Aus.  Fair and Balanced from down under.

Seriously pick up your hat and sit in the corner

Islamic terrorism poses a threat to all western societies.
Australia is no different. I have no idea why it's so important to quill that Australia be different.

Miffs2 wrote:Islamic terrorism poses a threat to all western societies.
Australia is no different. I have no idea why it's so important to quill that Australia be different.

Australia does it better.

Western terrorism is an equal danger to Islamic societies. You war types are just salivating, I can tell. The bear grows hungry. It's approaching the 20-year mark.

Remember, the US has a war every twenty years? It's time for Afghanistan to heat up. And Trump needs a distraction from the Russia investigation, which is already heating up on its own. Anyone want to give me odds?

Quill, do you live in Australia? if not, where do you get your news from?

Original Quill wrote:

Miffs2 wrote:Islamic terrorism poses a threat to all western societies.
Australia is no different. I have no idea why it's so important to quill that Australia be different.

Australia does it better.

Western terrorism is an equal danger to Islamic societies.  You war types are just salivating, I can tell.  The bear grows hungry.  It's approaching the 20-year mark.  

Remember, the US has a war every twenty years?  It's time for Afghanistan to heat up.  And Trump needs a distraction from the Russia investigation, which is already heating up on its own.  Anyone want to give me odds?

So how do you equate your lunacy hypothesis to European countries that have had less attacks and attempted attacks by Islamists, than Australia?

You see you have no clue what you are talking about and what is even worse is you insult all the victims of terrorism. If you stupidly think its about how Muslims are treated. Its also very insulting to Muslims, to claim that if they have a bad experience they will then turn to terrorism. It simple shows you have no idea off the goals of islamism, which are at odds with all Western Secular values.

nicko wrote:Quill, do you live in Australia?    if not,  where do you get your news from?

The Internet. Doesn't everyone? It's international. Most all articles and clips are on...I also watch the news cable channels. For deeper analyses I read books...I usually have 7 - 8 books going at once.

Original Quill wrote:

nicko wrote:Quill, do you live in Australia?    if not,  where do you get your news from?

The Internet.  Doesn't everyone?  It's international.  Most all articles and clips are on...I also watch the news cable channels.  For deeper analyses I read books...I usually have 7 - 8 books going at once.

Well may I suggest you read some real books instead of fairy tales.
As you must be, by the fact you continue to post complete bullshit on this thread

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Australia does it better.

Western terrorism is an equal danger to Islamic societies.  You war types are just salivating, I can tell.  The bear grows hungry.  It's approaching the 20-year mark.  

Remember, the US has a war every twenty years?  It's time for Afghanistan to heat up.  And Trump needs a distraction from the Russia investigation, which is already heating up on its own.  Anyone want to give me odds?

So how do you equate your lunacy hypothesis to European countries that have had less attacks and attempted attacks by Islamists, than Australia?

You see you have no clue what you are talking about and what is even worse is you insult all the victims of terrorism. If you stupidly think its about how Muslims are treated. Its also very insulting to Muslims, to claim that if they have a bad experience they will then turn to terrorism. It simple shows you have no idea off the goals of islamism, which are at odds with all Western Secular values.

What about the western terrorists in Afghanistan today? All sides do it. It's a fact of life.

Lord knows I speak out against it. It's lunacy...that is my point. But still it goes on.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The Internet.  Doesn't everyone?  It's international.  Most all articles and clips are on...I also watch the news cable channels.  For deeper analyses I read books...I usually have 7 - 8 books going at once.

Well may I suggest you read some real books instead of fairy tales.
As you must be, by the fact you continue to post complete bullshit on this thread

What is your point? You're just being argumentative.

Um...have you been drinking?

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:


So how do you equate your lunacy hypothesis to European countries that have had less attacks and attempted attacks by Islamists, than Australia?

You see you have no clue what you are talking about and what is even worse is you insult all the victims of terrorism. If you stupidly think its about how Muslims are treated. Its also very insulting to Muslims, to claim that if they have a bad experience they will then turn to terrorism. It simple shows you have no idea off the goals of islamism, which are at odds with all Western Secular values.

What about the western terrorists in Afghanistan today?  All sides do it.  It's a fact of life.

Lord knows I speak out against it.  It's lunacy...that is my point.  But still it goes on.  

But clearly fail to understand the ideology of Islamism itself

What western terrorism in Afghanistan?

It shows you think freeing the people from the Taliban is terrorism?

wow

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Well may I suggest you read some real books instead of fairy tales.
As you must be, by the fact you continue to post complete bullshit on this thread

What is your point?  You're just being argumentative.

Um...have you been drinking?

Nope, as i do not drink Quill anymore.

My point is you have no comprehension of what you are talking about.
This is easily seen by your lunatic claim that freeing the people of the Taliban, is terrorism to you.
Where women were being denied a basic education.
Where countless were murdered and persecuted by the Taliban and you claim the west as terrorists here.

This is why I will not take you seriously anymore, because what you post is sheer gibberish

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What about the western terrorists in Afghanistan today?  All sides do it.  It's a fact of life.

Lord knows I speak out against it.  It's lunacy...that is my point.  But still it goes on.  

But clearly fail to understand the ideology of Islamism itself

What western terrorism in Afghanistan?

It shows you think freeing the people from the Taliban is terrorism?

wow

For the sake of argument, why does anyone need to study an ideology to stop killing babies? Why don't both sides withdraw their terrorists, then sit down and study each other's ideology?

Perpetual war is no solution to anything. We've had our terrorists in Afghanistan for 16-years, and it looks like the fun is beginning all over again. Tell me, what have we accomplished? What will we accomplish? When will it be accomplished?

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

What is your point?  You're just being argumentative.

Um...have you been drinking?

Nope, as i do not drink Quill anymore.

My point is you have no comprehension of what you are talking about.
This is easily seen by your lunatic claim that freeing the people of the Taliban, is terrorism to you.
Where women were being denied a basic education.
Where countless were murdered and persecuted by the Taliban and you claim the west as terrorists here.

This is why I will not take you seriously anymore, because what you post is sheer gibberish

Don't talk nonsense. You're full of judgments, but you lack common sense.

What "comprehension" do you need to stop killing babies? Why complicate things? My argument is pure simplicity: get out of each other's country, stop the killing, leave each other alone. Go reduce unemployment...take an art class...travel...discover new worlds. Anything is better than killing babies, and accomplishing nothing whatsoever.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

But clearly fail to understand the ideology of Islamism itself

What western terrorism in Afghanistan?

It shows you think freeing the people from the Taliban is terrorism?

wow

For the sake of argument, why does anyone need to study an ideology to stop killing babies?  Why don't both sides withdraw their terrorists, then sit down and study each other's ideology?

Perpetual war is no solution to anything.  We've had our terrorists in Afghanistan for 16-years, and it looks like the fun is beginning all over again.  Tell me, what have we accomplished?  What will we accomplish?  When will it be accomplished?

So where its Far right ideology, you claim to believe you have to understand it, but when its Islamism, where babies are murdered in vast numbers and children enslaves as sex slaves, you say you do not want to understand it. So case in point, Islamist's terrorists have no qualms about killing anyone, babies included. Where western forces attempt to minimize civilian casualties.

It shows you fail to understand what a moral equivalency is..

So again you claim now that freeing the people of terrorists in the Taliban is now terrorism to you.

You insult the men and women that have served in Afghanistan to bring about their freedom.

Again you invoke terrorism, failing to thus understand what terrorism is.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Nope, as i do not drink Quill anymore.

My point is you have no comprehension of what you are talking about.
This is easily seen by your lunatic claim that freeing the people of the Taliban, is terrorism to you.
Where women were being denied a basic education.
Where countless were murdered and persecuted by the Taliban and you claim the west as terrorists here.

This is why I will not take you seriously anymore, because what you post is sheer gibberish

Don't talk nonsense.  You're full of judgments, but you lack common sense.

What "comprehension" do you need to stop killing babies?  Why complicate things?  My argument is pure simplicity: get out of each other's country, stop the killing, leave each other alone.  Go reduce unemployment...take an art class...travel...discover new worlds.  Anything is better than killing babies, and accomplishing nothing whatsoever.

Ah yet more gibberish from the Islamic terrorist defender

Islamic terrorists are murdering babies.

Your answer, is to do nothing and allow this to continue unabated.

So your view is born from something imaginary, where you place boundaries to helping people.

Its the most selfish attitude going, as are they not also humans that were suffering under the Taliban.

You are presenting the most racist argument going

What next? Where there is another natural disaster in the world, that people not send money, aid and help to the people of that nation. Due to your racist philosophy, its their problem?

Well for starters we do it better by not using 'Islamism' which is easily misinterpreted by ESL people as Islam in general.
far more respect is shown for the Muslim community by the general populace and more importantly law enforcement.

Plus like quill mentions we are far more of the attitude of leave the nations of the middle east to their own decisions.

veya_victaous wrote:Well for starters we do it better by not using 'Islamism' which is easily misinterpreted by ESL people as Islam in general.
far more respect is shown for the Muslim community by the general populace and more importantly law enforcement.

Plus like quill mentions we are far more of the attitude of leave the nations of the middle east to their own decisions.  

Islamism, is a form off Islam, full stop. Show me what Quran they use differently?

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

Thorin wrote:So where its Far right ideology, you claim to believe you have to understand it, but when its Islamism, where babies are murdered in vast numbers and children enslaves as sex slaves, you say you do not want to understand it. So case in point, Islamist's terrorists have no qualms about killing anyone, babies included. Where western forces attempt to minimize civilian casualties.

The Far Right ideology is a clear and present danger.  They are Neo-Nazis, KKK'ers and white supremacist murderers, as the family of Heather Heyer can testify.  They did not show up to demonstrate, but to kill and injure.

I don't get the same feeling about all Afghanistanis.  They are just going about their business.  We are the interlopers, come to kill innocent babies.  As far as ideology is concerned, I figure if you have to visit a whole library to learn about the threat they pose (if any), it's not a clear and present danger.  

veya_victaous wrote:Well for starters we do it better by not using 'Islamism' which is easily misinterpreted by ESL people as Islam in general.
far more respect is shown for the Muslim community by the general populace and more importantly law enforcement.

Plus like quill mentions we are far more of the attitude of leave the nations of the middle east to their own decisions.  

+1. Exactly what I've been saying.

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Well for starters we do it better by not using 'Islamism' which is easily misinterpreted by ESL people as Islam in general.
far more respect is shown for the Muslim community by the general populace and more importantly law enforcement.

Plus like quill mentions we are far more of the attitude of leave the nations of the middle east to their own decisions.  

+1.  Exactly what I've been saying.

Completely agree with Veya's last line. This is something I've long agreed with Quill about too, actually.

Thorin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Well for starters we do it better by not using 'Islamism' which is easily misinterpreted by ESL people as Islam in general.
far more respect is shown for the Muslim community by the general populace and more importantly law enforcement.

Plus like quill mentions we are far more of the attitude of leave the nations of the middle east to their own decisions.  

Islamism, is a form off Islam, full stop. Show me what Quran they use differently?

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

I'm left with the clear impression that you, didge, are the one with the problem.  What could be simpler than live and let live?  Yet you keep coming back to pick a fight.  Now who is the aberation, here?

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Islamism, is a form off Islam, full stop. Show me what Quran they use differently?

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

I'm left with the clear impression that you, didge, are the one with the problem.  What could be simpler than live and let live?  Yet you keep coming back to pick a fight.  Now who is the aberation, here?

Its not me picking the fight, as that fight had already started. When people are continually oppressed. What you effectively saying is fuck em. Which is why your view point is rather selfish when you think about it. In that you will only help one group of humans, and stick two fingers up to all the rest when we can actually do something about it. In many cases.

Now Imagine the French had said its not their fight with the American War of Independence.
Without the French ships and Troops, you would still be subordinate to the UK

So I will ask again

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

I am happy to live and let live, when people stop forcing their beliefs onto others, by then respecting the well being and equality of each other.

Thorin wrote:Its not me picking the fight, as that fight had already started. When people are continually oppressed. What you effectively saying is fuck em. Which is why your view point is rather selfish when you think about it. In that you will only help one group of humans, and stick two fingers up to all the rest when we can actually do something about it. In many cases.

You didn't start the fight, your surrogates did...Bush, Cheney and the Neo-Cons of the Republicans.  But while that was a chance stumble, you deliberately want to keep it going.  Here's Australia saying live and let live, but that's not good enough for you.  It's in that sense that you are keeping coming back to pick the fight.

As far as the French in the American Revolution is concerned...meh...they taught the Americas how to march, no more.  The Americans were frountiersmen, with German-made Spencer rifles.  The British wore girly red coats and shot unrifled, smoothbore muskets.  We won the war because we just stood in a clump of trees and picked them off just like squirrels.  French,,,pshaw.

Thorin wrote:I am happy to live and let live, when people stop forcing their beliefs onto others, by then respecting the well being and equality of each other.

So, get out of Afghanistan.  I'm sure they will leave you alone once you leave them alone.

Original Quill wrote:
You didn't start the fight, your surrogates did...Bush, Cheney and the Neo-Cons of the Republicans.  But while that was a chance stumble, you deliberately want to keep it going.  Here's Australia saying live and let live, but that's not good enough for you.  It's in that sense that you are keeping coming back to pick the fight.

Thorin wrote:Ah are back to the falsehood. Al-Qaeda started the attacks, and were based in Afghanistan with the full backing off the Taliban. Of course for years the Taliban oppressed and murdered many people. Where women were even denied a basic education. Now if any women in the US were being denied any education, you would fight for their right to do so, but when they are Asian in Afghanistan, you clearly don't give a shit

As far as the French in the American Revolution is concerned...meh...they taught the Americas how to march, no more.  The Americans were frountiersmen, with Spencer rifles.  The British wore girly red coats and shot unrifled muskets.  We won the war because we just stood in a clump of trees and picked them off just like squirrels.  French,,,pshaw.

Thorin wrote:Absolute gibberish, as how do you think Yorktown surrendered?

How many American ships were blockading Yorktown?

Zero

How many French?

29

The French also had the same number of regular troops as the Americans

You see Quill you even insult the French help in the War of Independence. Which it was their ships, that stopped British troops being moved from one area to the next in conflict. Being instrumental in the defeat of the British.

So, get out of Afghanistan.  I'm sure they will leave you alone once you leave them alone.

So as we are there on invite, you want us to tell the Afghanistan government to go to hell.

Quite the sadist, are you  not?

So I will ask again

So do you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

Thorin wrote:So as we are there on invite, you want us to tell the Afghanistan government to go to hell.

Haven't you learned?  There is no Afghanistan government.  They're a bunch of tribal poppy-farmers, who want to work their fields.  They only pose as officials because the western nations subsidize their fields.  See, Risen, James, State of War (2006):

Risen, James wrote:Heroin was Afghanistan's leading export and the engine driving the country's economy.  With the Americans in charge, the drug business was booming; there were reports of sixty-truck convoys loaded down with opium crossing the border from Afghanistan into Iran...

Inevitably, the new, US-backed Afghan government was becoming badly corrupted by the heroin trade....the 'narco-state' label was beginning to stick.
State of War, at p. 156.

We are there because we are the belligerents.  We are as much terrorists to them, as they are to us.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:So as we are there on invite, you want us to tell the Afghanistan government to go to hell.

Haven't you learned?  There is no Afghanistan government.  They're a bunch of tribal poppy-farmers, who want to work their fields.  They only pose as officials because the western nations subsidize their fields.  See, Risen, James, State of War (2006):

Thorin wrote:Ah so C&P and now you claim there is no Government when it is recognized around the world.  Now there is certainly some corruption, as there is man y countries, which needs tackling. Even more so problems with child labour. You then invoke what can only be described as racism, to refer to Afghanistan people that way. Where more and more is be used for the medical industry as it should be. Of course there is still crime, but the biggest criminals are the Taliban on this. As how do you think they are able to obtain so much weapons?

We are there because we are the belligerents.  We are as much terrorists to them, as they are to us.

You are just a sadist as seen, and care little for anyone Not American.

I find that appalling, and along the lines of what White Supremacists believe.

So at least you have given up on the clap trap  about America starting, as if you continued, it would have made you an apologist for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.

Veya wrote:
Well for starters we do it better by not using 'Islamism' which is easily misinterpreted by ESL people as Islam in general.
far more respect is shown for the Muslim community by the general populace and more importantly law enforcement.

Plus like quill mentions we are far more of the attitude of leave the nations of the middle east to their own decisions.  

Eddie wrote:
Completely agree with Veya's last line.   This is something I've long agreed with Quill about too, actually.

But it is fundamentally the islamic ideology/teachings and the rules/beliefs that it lays down on its followers, and which tells them they must fully subscribe and adhere to, that is the problem...!!!


Are you really saying that majority Muslim populated countries and Muslim people should be allowed to persecute and murder other religious minorities and non Muslims, execute homosexuals, oppress women by restricting their rights and freedoms, allow girls as young as 9 to be 'married' off to old men to be systematically raped and abused, punish criminals by chopping off hands/feet, or have heads cut off in the street, or have non Muslim girls/women being held prisoner and sold openly in market places as sex slaves etc...!!!???


Islam says all this is right for Muslims to do...!!!

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:So where its Far right ideology, you claim to believe you have to understand it, but when its Islamism, where babies are murdered in vast numbers and children enslaves as sex slaves, you say you do not want to understand it. So case in point, Islamist's terrorists have no qualms about killing anyone, babies included. Where western forces attempt to minimize civilian casualties.

The Far Right ideology is a clear and present danger.  They are Neo-Nazis, KKK'ers and white supremacist murderers, as the family of Heather Heyer can testify.  They did not show up to demonstrate, but to kill and injure.

I don't get the same feeling about all Afghanistanis.  They are just going about their business.  We are the interlopers, come to kill innocent babies.  As far as ideology is concerned, I figure if you have to visit a whole library to learn about the threat they pose (if any), it's not a clear and present danger.  

Far right extremism is a danger in many places and should be dealt with seriously, but are you seriously suggesting it is a greater threat and Islamic extremism?

How many Global Islamic terrorist attacks?

I mean Veya, Eddie and yourself, think that leaving them alone will solve the problem

The Yazidi's left them alone, how do you equate how they had their women and children held as sex slaves and many others executed?

How about Boko Haram in Nigeria, what has the west done there and that Nigerian girls are enslaved by them, and many executed by them, whether Christian or Muslim.

You see this is where this falsification argument falls down and where it has everything to do with a hateful ideology.

Use your argument with Nazism in WW2? Do you think leaving them alone, would have stopped the Holocaust?

Of course not and it further shows the 3 of you do not show the same reasoning when it comes to Islamic extremism. In fact you make the opposite argument, which in effect is bowing down to fear. A fear they will kill more, when they already are doing so. Not one of you understands the goals of Islamism, the global goals.

Tommy Monk wrote:Are you really saying that majority Muslim populated countries and Muslim people should be allowed to persecute and murder...

I'm sure things would settle down if the invaders would simply leave. It's only the invaded countries...look at Iran, peaceful as a dove.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Are you really saying that majority Muslim populated countries and Muslim people should be allowed to persecute and murder...

I'm sure things would settle down if the invaders would simply leave.  It's only the invaded countries...look at Iran, peaceful as a dove.

Really, peaceful?

What fantasy world are you living in?

Iran, peacefull? i despair of you Quill, your really not of this World are you?