EDL riddled with perverts.

For some strange reason the EDL use "Muslim paedo gangs" as a reason to continue their campaign of hatred. Although the English Defence League seems to be riddled with perverts.. Catching perverts within the Birmingham EDL was like shooting fish in a bucket, it bought some lulz to the table but it wasn't much of a challenge.. PLENTY MORE TO COME.

Michael Thomas Southall (EDL Birmingham division) also a known Zulu football hooligan. This guy likes to get young girls drunk and take photos of them naked.
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Raymond Norton (EDL Birmingham Division) self proclaimed leader of EDL Birmingham division also an active member with the Zulu football hooligans. Prolific pervert, has been busted arranging to have sex with kids numerous times
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Tony Greene (EDL Birmingham Division) Also claims to be the boss of the Zulu football hooligan firm
We decided to hack his 'zulu' facebook page and expose him in front of his followers. ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/bcfc12/?fref=ts )
Tony soon vanished from the internet and IRL. (we think he had something to hide)


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From what I'm seeing and hearing you can find masses of perverts any where you care to look turn over any stone and out they scuttle - why should the EDL be any different from so many other organisations/clubs etc?

Vintage wrote:From what I'm seeing and hearing you can find masses of perverts any where you care to look turn over any stone and out they scuttle - why should the EDL be any different from so many other organisations/clubs etc?

You are quite correct, and yet the far right want us to believe that only Muslims are capable of such crimes, is balance not required!

Vintage wrote:From what I'm seeing and hearing you can find masses of perverts any where you care to look turn over any stone and out they scuttle - why should the EDL be any different from so many other organisations/clubs etc?

All any of the right wingers post here is that there are "Asian grooming gangs" and whatnot roaming around preying on young British kids, as though the country's children would be safe from such things if there were no "Asians" in the country. It's bullshit, and it's just a cover for their general racism. Kind of like how gay-bashers rely on the Bible, as though they'd be fine with homosexuality if the Bible said it was OK.

No Ben, there are many instances of organised gangs(mainly from one religious and ethnic group) preying on vulnerable children from other groups. If you read the reports and what some of these men have apparently said about their victims you'd know why people talk about it so much. Everyone understands that all kinds of people - male and female prey on vunerable children of all and any they can get their hands on but these cases stand out because these men targetted children not of their ethnicity, although apparently there is a problem inside the community as well but no one really from those communities speak about it because of family honour. The police and authorities in the grooming cases failed to tackle the problem because they didn't want to be seen as racist, which unfortunately would have been the shout to have gone up - this is what is rotten in society here now, what ever goes on and it involves ethnic groups, do gooders start shouting about racism and seem to forget about the victims, unless the sitiation is reversed then the do gooders reckon its racism against the victim, justice and the protection of the law should be for everyone regardless of ethnicity, religion or gender.

Vintage wrote:No Ben, there are many instances of organised gangs(mainly from one religious and ethnic group) preying on vulnerable children from other groups. If you read the reports and what some of these men have apparently said about their victims you'd know why people talk about it so much. Everyone understands that all kinds of people - male and female prey on vunerable children of all and any they can get their hands on but these cases stand out because these men targetted children not of their ethnicity, although apparently there is a problem inside the community as well but no one really from those communities speak about it because of family honour. The police and authorities in the grooming cases failed to tackle the problem because they didn't want to be seen as racist, which unfortunately would have been the shout to have gone up - this is what is rotten in society here now, what ever goes on and it involves ethnic groups, do gooders start shouting about racism and seem to forget about the victims, unless the sitiation is reversed then the do gooders reckon its racism against the victim, justice and the protection of the law should be for everyone regardless of ethnicity, religion or gender.

You are right in that it was a failing by many of the authorities and the Police where they failed the victims and this was mainly brought about by nothing more than a fear of racism, which should never have happened. Again nobody has denied also that some within a community has targeted young girls or how we should also look at the many reasons why people abuse or rape. What does happen though is that racists do use such events as a means to incite hatred, of which also you cannot deny. We should look to help prevent all child abuse, this is just one aspect and there is a danger of taking your eye off the ball with all other types of child abuse let alone grooming where other groups are also guilty of using this disgusting method. 

Your view of do gooders, as you call it are also trying to prevent more people from becoming victims not only from those who suffer child abuse but those now seeking to use the plight of these victims to stereotype a community off the back of a criminal element within their society. I have seen countless arguments over culture being used and so forth as a reason, of which there is an element to this where some feel they can mistreat women. Again though this would be some people as even within our own society many are guilty of not only mistreating women but abusing children, yet the topic of culture never comes up for are own society. So what was important is how to rectify the failings here, to recognise and not allow a fear of racism to stand in the way of justice and  it is also important that we do not also stigmatize and stereotype a community off the back of some committing crimes

oh dear same old same old, you call the bnp, edl or who ever if they have "Perverts", all walks of life have perverts its society, though with islam they condone it by their muhammed marrying a young girl and of course the rule book that governs how you can and can't assallt young children, to me that is far more frightening.

heavenly father wrote:oh dear same old same old, you call the bnp, edl or who ever if they have "Perverts", all walks of life have perverts its society, though with islam they condone it by their muhammed marrying a young girl and of course the rule book that governs how you can and can't assallt young children, to me that is far more frightening.

You really do think spouting the same rubbish repeatedly lends it credence dont you...moron

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Vintage wrote:From what I'm seeing and hearing you can find masses of perverts any where you care to look turn over any stone and out they scuttle - why should the EDL be any different from so many other organisations/clubs etc?

All any of the right wingers post here is that there are "Asian grooming gangs" and whatnot roaming around preying on young British kids, as though the country's children would be safe from such things if there were no "Asians" in the country. It's bullshit, and it's just a cover for their general racism. Kind of like how gay-bashers rely on the Bible, as though they'd be fine with homosexuality if the Bible said it was OK.

without Asians 7/7 wouldn't have happened

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Vintage wrote:From what I'm seeing and hearing you can find masses of perverts any where you care to look turn over any stone and out they scuttle - why should the EDL be any different from so many other organisations/clubs etc?

All any of the right wingers post here is that there are "Asian grooming gangs" and whatnot roaming around preying on young British kids, as though the country's children would be safe from such things if there were no "Asians" in the country. It's bullshit, and it's just a cover for their general racism. Kind of like how gay-bashers rely on the Bible, as though they'd be fine with homosexuality if the Bible said it was OK.

I've said this before , '' If communities policed themselves and hung ALL Rapists on Lamp posts , we could have a Body count ''.

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heavenly father wrote:oh dear same old same old, you call the bnp, edl or who ever if they have "Perverts", all walks of life have perverts its society, though with islam they condone it by their muhammed marrying a young girl and of course the rule book that governs how you can and can't assallt young children, to me that is far more frightening.

You really do think spouting the same rubbish repeatedly lends it credence dont you...moron

it may be rubbish to you but it is true and very dangerous.

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Well, we gone through the 'demonising people' ad naseum at other times, I still cannot see why you deny the culture element of the crime, people don't commit these crimes because they (in the cases in the UK) were Pakistani but there is an element of how they carried out their crimes because of the mindset in regard to women's place in their culture. Couple that with the criminal tendancies that these particular men obviously had and the vulnerability of the victims and here we have the crime. There's always an element of culture look at the stories to do with the Magadalene sisters, another religion that ultimately - at least used to I hope - blamed and put the onus on women for crimes such as rape and again punished them for the crime and they aren't the only ones, religion begins it for some perverse reason, when religion fades more into the background as for the majority of British people the idea has already transfered to the culture and custom of secular life, I can remember the days when what a woman was wearing, where she was, at what time of day, had she had a drink, and having any or all her sexual history revealed in court and all the above used against her. Many native Brits still have old fashioned views regarding a woman's place. The grooming gangs aren't paedophiles in the true sense they were predatory opportunist rapists who then made money by farming out their victims, paedophiles have a sickess and usually target pre pubescent children and do on occassions 'share' children but loose interest as the child enters puberty, a different thing all together but equally disgusting.

Vintage wrote:Well, we gone through the 'demonising people' ad naseum at other times, I still cannot see why you deny the culture element of the crime, people don't commit these crimes because they (in the cases in the UK) were Pakistani but there is an element of how they carried out their crimes because of the mindset in regard to women's place in their culture. Couple that with the criminal tendancies that these particular men obviously had and the vulnerability of the victims and here we have the crime. There's always an element of culture look at the stories to do with the Magadalene sisters, another religion that ultimately - at least used to I hope - blamed and put the onus on women for crimes such as rape and again punished them for the crime and they aren't the only ones, religion begins it for some perverse reason, when religion fades more into the background as for the majority of British people the idea has already transfered to the culture and custom of secular life, I can remember the days when what a woman was wearing, where she was, at what time of day, had she had a drink, and having any or all her sexual history revealed in court and all the above used against her. Many native Brits still have old fashioned views regarding a woman's place. The grooming gangs aren't paedophiles in the true sense they were predatory opportunist rapists who then made money by farming out their victims, paedophiles have a sickess and usually target pre pubescent children and do on occassions 'share' children but loose interest as the child enters puberty, a different thing all together but equally disgusting.

Did I deny the culture element?
I suggest you read back.
Yes again we see a perception formed from the religion, not that the religion itself blames women for rape as in the case with the Magadalene sisters. This then is those of the church teaching their own views regarding rape onto that society with devastating affects. Again religion is not the cause but people of religion that form their own perceptions on social factors. The reality is religion can be just what anyone chooses to want it to be, there core elements to them but being for example over 20,000 different Christian sects shows you have vastly people differ on thier views of a faith.

The fact is though in many western countries there are plenty that commit rape and also with paedo's, so using your logic we would have to say there is a cultural element behind such a view in society, as why is so big a problem, 30,000 convictions is no small matter in he child sex abuse issue, that is massive. The problem with the culture claim is then people start to believe all are capable by association, culture may have played a part with the case of those who commit the criminal act but does it play apart in the fact the majority do not commit such acts . That shows how easily a concept like culture can be manipulated to form a poor view of a group. Again there are many things that are wrong in Islam, what is wrong in say Pakistan, is a belief that men are above women, which plays a part by those who commit the crime that they think they can get away with it. That does not mean within that culture people think rape is justified let alone on adolescents. What you are in affect doing is trying to form a view from the discriminating views between men and women in a nation. What we have to look at is what many reasons are there that such sick people commit these acts and you will find that no matter the ethnicity the reasons are very much the same why they do

grumpy old git wrote:

heavenly father wrote:oh dear same old same old, you call the bnp, edl or who ever if they have "Perverts", all walks of life have perverts its society, though with islam they condone it by their muhammed marrying a young girl and of course the rule book that governs how you can and can't assallt young children, to me that is far more frightening.

You really do think spouting the same rubbish repeatedly lends it credence dont you...moron

Perhaps you should have addressed your statement to Comrade SCRAT ,he is responsible for the OP.

So it seems is the liberal party and your point is. The EDL is a spent force only you are obsessed with it.

Its fairly obvious that not all people in a particular religion/or culture will accept a situation or crime but if you look at usually fairly religious groupings with common customs there is an element of accepting what happens for reasons of honour if nothing else. If this weren't true wouldn't men beating women on the street for not being modest enough, one woman was quite tall and her burkha didn't quite cover her ankles, be stopped by the general public or at least wouldn't they have at least said something, how about girls being raped and found guilty of extra martital sex - if the majority don't accept this custom, though many believe mistakenly it is a lawful due to the koran, they wouldn't tolerate it surely - women are second class in many of these societies and are almost property, even though we've had three and four generations living in this country and at least two of those being exposed to our education system the basic culture and custom still prevails.

Vintage wrote:Its fairly obvious that not all people in a particular religion/or culture will accept a situation or crime but if you look at usually fairly religious groupings with common customs there is an element of accepting what happens for reasons of honour if nothing else. If this weren't true wouldn't men beating women on the street for not being modest enough, one woman was quite tall and her burkha didn't quite cover her ankles, be stopped by the general public or at least wouldn't they have at least said something, how about girls being raped and found guilty of extra martital sex - if the majority don't accept this custom, though many believe mistakenly it is a lawful due to the koran, they wouldn't tolerate it surely - women are second class in many of these societies and are almost property, even though we've had three and four generations living in this country and at least two of those being exposed to our education system the basic culture and custom still prevails.

Yes I understand this does happen and there are elements of the religion that conflict with any common sense and morality. I do not deny they also happen, what I am asking is how prevalent is it here for example? Don't get me wrong I am for any such views to change, but you are basing most here on many assumptions Vintage. I have not seen evidence that it is prevalent. I also think in the main many are adapting to our laws and customs which is the point I think you miss. I again do not deny some do not, but my view is many views/perceptions are changing all the time and even of the people I meet from such ethnic and religious backgrounds. What I do think is that the influence of Saudi with its money and wahhabism is at odds with many of our moralities and it is having a bad influence on society, which to me should be no part of. Again we have to look at this to what we actually know, which is not enough, though if you are right then we need to radically think about how to solve it

Catch you later

islam as a whole makes women third class citizens at best, just behind pigs i believe, this were the beatings and the rape even the murder becomes a problem as they own the thing they have hurt but it was there's to hurt and there rules make it acceptable behaviour, now will that behaviour change just because the country they are now in is called England.

heavenly father wrote:islam as a whole makes women third class citizens at best, just behind pigs i believe, this were the beatings and the rape even the murder becomes a problem as they own the thing they have hurt but it was there's to hurt and there rules make it acceptable behaviour, now will that behaviour change just because the country they are now in is called England.

Sadly not for some, who come here and drag all that baggage with them, its not just Islam though, culture of that kind also comes here from the Indian sub continent, mainly from poor uneducated areas it must be said, like the poor woman burned with her daughter for producing that daughter and not a son.