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The homes of rich people in Kensington could be seized for Grenfell Tower residents made homeless by fire, Jeremy Corbyn said today.
Mr Corbyn said the London borough was a ‘tale of two cities’ between a wealthy south and a poor north.
He suggested that 'requisitioning' vacant properties would be a solution to the shortage of available accommodation for those displaced.
‘Properties must be found – requisitioned if necessary – in order to make sure that residents do get rehoused locally,' Mr Corbyn told a meeting of MPs.
‘How is it acceptable that in London you have luxury buildings and luxury flats kept empty as land banking for that future while homeless people look for somewhere to live?'
The call came as Theresa May announced a full public inquiry into the deadly Grenfell Tower blaze.



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Post by nicko Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:04 pm

If I owned a property there, I would like to be asked first !!
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Post by HoratioTarr Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:05 pm

An ideology that's flawed from the start.   Once you go down that route, you could have people breaking into homes to squat, thinking they can just take over any empty house, regardless of who it belongs to, or whether it's really empty or not.   I'm no fan of those who buy up properties and then they sit empty, but at the end of the day, those properties belong to them and nobody else.   Perhaps it should be a case of not allowing these wealthy people to purchase them in the first place?  And who buys them?  Overseas buyers.
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Post by HoratioTarr Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:08 pm

nicko wrote:If I owned a property there,  I would like to be asked first !!

Most ordinary people live in their houses. The ones who don't are most likely overseas investors from China, the Middle East, Europe.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:13 pm

Stop the mass immigration and there wouldn't be a problem with housing in the first place...


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Tommy Monk wrote:Stop the mass immigration and there wouldn't be a problem with housing in the first place...




Not fact checked this yet and will need to, but you may find this interesting. i certainly do not agree with some of his views, but some points are alarming if true.





Find out how the British Government changed the welfare system to favour Muslims. New government policies on unemployment and work place regulations have served to attract huge numbers of Muslim immigrants into the UK and have allowed Muslims to exploit the benefits system in order to stay at home and have large families - all at the taxpayers' expense.


Excellent article full of facts and links on the cost of Islamic immigration:
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/...

New Government Rules on Unemployment:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads...

Government Response to the Women and Equalities Committee Report on Employment opportunities for Muslims in the UK:
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/c..

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Post by JulesV Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:10 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Stop the mass immigration and there wouldn't be a problem with housing in the first place...


We all know there is an issue with immigration and it's been badly managed - but if you weren't such an insensitive jackass you'd realise this is not the right time to make such a comment.

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Of course, they never let the truth get in the way of a lie:

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Let's not forget the number of large manors requisitioned during the war.

As for the houses being talked about as if they are owned by people abroad who are going to use them, that simply isn't the truth. The largest numbers are owned by land developers who sit on them until the price of the site has risen so much they can make a fortune I absolutely agree they should be requisitioned in this circumstance.

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Post by Guest Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:32 pm

So why not buy these properties sassy?

Requisitioned sounds very totalitarian and taking away from people what they have spent and bought for and on that the Daily Mail is right. We have seen this kind of communism before where those who own something. Have what they own taken from them.

So how is the Daily Mail wrong here?

Would it not be better for the Government to pay for these empty homes rather than a commie think he can steal someones property?

Many foreigners do own properties here. Are you going to start a global diplomatic issues, by not calling for your same view to their homes empty?

I mean we see also Labour not respecting democracy by calling people to march and demand change through violence as you have called for a revolution. Have you not learned from the mass genocide of communism? That you want to force your views on people.

I for one am glad there is a minority government, as nobody holds real power. It actually means both sides need to work together here. That i back more than anything else. That this should not be used as a means to use political argument, but that both political sides come together, but as seen Corbyn does not want that. He would rather create further disruption within our nation, when it needs unity

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Post by Guest Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:47 pm

Do you know what really gets my goat about all this?

The regressive Far left have looked to blame foreign policy over the recent terrorist attacks and have not seen them be as angered over so many innocents dying, as they have been with this tragedy. Even though those looking to murder people are explicit in their reasons to murder people in the name of their ideology. Even worse this Islamist ideology is a neo-conservative political belief system and yet the Far left and those regressive, defend it.

When Anders Breivik murdered countless children, because he followed a Far Right ideology. The left rightly blamed that ideology as the issue. They never went off his claims on immigration and Islam being the problem. They blamed his ideological hate. When we see extremists Islamist's commit the worst violence. The regressive left suddenly do a double standard and blame western help, as a reason to the Islamist murdering people. Not one of them would blame immigration or Islam for Brevik, yet they use the same poor methodology he uses on as an apologist argument when it comes to Islamic extremism.

What sickens me is how some of the left are using this tragic event, not to care for the loss of life or the families of the victims, but to further their own political agenda. That says to me they do not care for the victims or their families, but actively chose to use them to further that agenda.

This is a a time when this country needs unity. I dislike the Tories in power and think May should resign but see now a situation where this country can pull together, where Labour can work with this government for the better and what do the Far Left do? Look to exploit this.

I find that disgusting

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Transparency International UK



Mr Ashurkov, a 44-year old former banker and a politician, fled Russia two years ago, and was granted asylum in Britain. He works closely with the Russian opposition leader, Alexei Navalny.
In the central London borough of Westminster, almost one in ten properties is owned by an anonymous offshore company and can't be directly associated with a specific owner, says Transparency International.


In Kensington and Chelsea the figure is 7.3%, and in the City of London the figure is 4.5%. It's claimed that across London there are more than 36,000 such properties.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35757265

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Post by Guest Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:14 am

Thorin wrote:Do you know what really gets my goat about all this?

The regressive Far left have looked to blame foreign policy over the recent terrorist attacks and have not seen them be as angered over so many innocents dying, as they have been with this tragedy. Even though those looking to murder people are explicit in their reasons to murder people in the name of their ideology. Even worse this Islamist ideology is a neo-conservative political belief system and yet the Far left and those regressive, defend it.

When Anders Breivik murdered countless children, because he followed a Far Right ideology. The left rightly blamed that ideology as the issue. They never went off his claims on immigration and Islam being the problem. They blamed his ideological hate. When we see extremists Islamist's commit the worst violence. The regressive left suddenly do a double standard and blame western help, as a reason to the Islamist murdering people. Not one of them would blame immigration or Islam for Brevik, yet they use the same poor methodology he uses on as an apologist argument when it comes to Islamic extremism.

What sickens me is how some of the left are using this tragic event, not to care for the loss of life or the families of the victims, but to further their own political agenda. That says to me they do not care for the victims or their families, but actively chose to use them to further that agenda.

This is a a time when this country needs unity. I dislike the Tories in power and think May should resign but see now a situation where this country can pull together, where Labour can work with this government for the better and what do the Far Left do? Look to exploit this.

I find that disgusting


And what further proof does anyone need than the following to show that they Far Left does not care for those who have died, but to use their death, to sow discord and disruption to the nation?


In the immediate aftermath of almost every major tragedy, conspiracy theories take root to fill the void left by the absence of hard facts. The Grenfell Tower disaster was no exception, as claims of a cover-up about the real death toll went viral on social media on Friday. Tension among residents was ramped up by suggestions that the Government had gagged the media in an attempt to manage public anger about the inferno.

The claims - all of them completely false - were spread by far-left supporters of Jeremy Corbyn including pop stars and socialist blogs. They could now be examined by MPs as part of an ongoing parliamentary inquiry into “fake news”. A Corbyn-backing blog called Skwawkbox claimed that the Government had banned the media from reporting the true death toll in the tragedy for reasons of “national security”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/corbyn-supporters-spread-fake-news-grenfell-house-death-toll/



Left wing campaigners are planning a “day of rage” to coincide with the Queen’s Speech this week in protest over the conditions they claim led to the Grenfell Tower blaze and the deaths of at least 58 people. Militant groups are planning to march on Parliament on Wednesday in a show of anger at the Government’s austerity policies they say led to the tragedy.

Led by the Movement for Justice By Any Means Necessary - formed in 1995 by a number of Marxist groups - campaigners are urging protesters to “walk out of school, take the day off, call in sick, strike”. Advertising the event the movement’s Facebook page declares: “We must escalate our actions to take down this rotten government, which has lost all authority to govern.”

Claudio, who has lived on Latimer Road opposite Grenfell Tower for four years, said: "Let's be clear: what has happened here is a microcosm of many problems that are happening across the country. But violence in the name of this? No one here will condone that.

“This is a good, friendly area, and I hope that that anger will not manifest in violence, but rather be used in a more productive way.”

Michael Perkins, who has friends who displaced by the blaze, said: “Rioting would make us look like a violent mob - and how will we be taken seriously if it comes to that?"


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/17/grenfell-community-fear-day-rage-protest-could-descend-riots/









Corbynista ultra and veteran left-wing activist Tina Buckley is on the ground in Kensington tonight riling up protesters. Buckley was spotted outside Kensington Town Hall leading chants as the building was stormed by protesters.
The empty homes of rich people in Kensington should be SEIZED for Grenfell Tower residents made homeless by fire, says Corbyn TINABUCKLEY

Readers will remember her as the mad woman filmed wearing the same Jeremy Corbyn backpack just three weeks ago outside Downing Street, when she called Theresa May a “terrorist“. In the past Buckley has been pictured with Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Clive Lewis. Meanwhile, the Sun reports Momentum are involved in the Kensington trouble tonight:
The empty homes of rich people in Kensington should be SEIZED for Grenfell Tower residents made homeless by fire, says Corbyn Mom

Raises the question: how many of these protesters are genuine locals, and how many are political opportunists…
UPDATE: Socialist Worker banners have now been spotted at the protest. One reads: “Socialist Worker. Tories have blood on their Hands. Justice for Grenfell.

The empty homes of rich people in Kensington should be SEIZED for Grenfell Tower residents made homeless by fire, says Corbyn BANNERS1

https://order-order.com/2017/06/16/corbynista-ultras-involved-in-storming-of-kensington-council-hq/

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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:43 am

despite the expected influx of agent provocateurs from both sides, the extreme right AND the extreme left,
and despite my distaste at the "lets make political capital out of this Mr Corbyn" attitude. I cannot but feel that in this instance he has a good point...

the TELLING point is that

"In the central London borough of Westminster, almost one in ten properties is owned by an anonymous offshore company and can't be directly associated with a specific owner, says Transparency International. In Kensington and Chelsea the figure is 7.3%"


these should be the first to be seized (and not returned)

for the avoidance of doubt

1) housing should be removed from the list of "investments" that ANYONE is permitted to make (subject only to you can own your OWN home, and homes for rental (but at controlled rents))

2) NO-ONE should be able to own 2 (or more )homes (crown properties excepted ...for a number of reasons)

3) all homes not sold after 2 years of becoming vacant should be liable to seizure (except where the delay is due to litigation (i.e disputed wills)

(4) all commercial propery liable to seizure after 2 years of vacancy (except where delayed by litigation). with a view to building homes/converting to homes.

in otherwords ...STOP "land/property banking"




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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:48 am

I'm afraid that owning property has become a good alternative to having a pension, so people will take advantage of that. I dunno how you can stop it. It would need some very strict rules in place, and nobody is going to stick their neck out and take that on.
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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:00 am

very easy Ragga...

you have to state which home is your "primary residence"

the other(s) are subject to 1000% council tax...
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Lord Foul wrote:very easy Ragga...

you have to state which home is your "primary residence"

the other(s) are subject to 1000% council tax...

Unless they're rented out? Not a bad idea.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:02 pm

If it wasnt for so many people borrowing money to buy homes that they are never going to live in and could not afford to pay for themselves, ie buy to let, then many of those stuck in them paying the rent (morgage for the 'owner') would instead be able to buy them themselves.


Buy to let parasites should be stopped.
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Post by eddie Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:05 pm

sassy wrote:Of course, they never let the truth get in the way of a lie:

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Let's not forget the number of large manors requisitioned during the war.

As for the houses being talked about as if they are owned by people abroad who are going to use them, that simply isn't the truth.   The largest numbers are owned by land developers who sit on them until the price of the site has risen so much they can make a fortune   I absolutely agree they should be requisitioned in this circumstance.

Spot on. I back his opinion 100%.
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Tommy Monk wrote:If it wasnt for so many people borrowing money to buy homes that they are never going to live in and could not afford to pay for themselves, ie buy to let, then many of those stuck in them paying the rent (morgage for the 'owner') would instead be able to buy them themselves.


Buy to let parasites should be stopped.

The housing market in this country is sickening. I really don't know how people are affording houses at all. It's all very well to say it's supply and demand, but it's just totally over the top.
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Post by Victorismyhero Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:14 pm

Of course HE.....(corbyn), could set the ball rolling and stop being one of those two home owning hypocrites.

but then he's a dyed in the wool commie...
the philosophy of which is

"whats yours is mine and whats mine is my own"

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:29 pm

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sassy wrote:Of course, they never let the truth get in the way of a lie:

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Let's not forget the number of large manors requisitioned during the war.

As for the houses being talked about as if they are owned by people abroad who are going to use them, that simply isn't the truth.   The largest numbers are owned by land developers who sit on them until the price of the site has risen so much they can make a fortune   I absolutely agree they should be requisitioned in this circumstance.

Spot on. I back his opinion 100%.


Stop mass immigration and you stop the over inflated house price rises...
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:37 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:If it wasnt for so many people borrowing money to buy homes that they are never going to live in and could not afford to pay for themselves, ie buy to let, then many of those stuck in them paying the rent (morgage for the 'owner') would instead be able to buy them themselves.


Buy to let parasites should be stopped.

The housing market in this country is sickening. I really don't know how people are affording houses at all. It's all very well to say it's supply and demand, but it's just totally over the top.


'Supply and demand' is one of the fundamental principles of 'economics'...


When supply of something is at a comparatively equal level to the demand for it, then the price will remain roughly at the same level...


If the level of supply goes up but demand stays the same, then prices will fall...

If supply goes down but demand stays the same, then prices will rise...

Also...

If the level of supply stays the same but demand increases then prices will rise...

If supply stays the same but demand reduces, then prices will fall...


For prices to remain constant, then the levels of supply and demand must be consistently equal to each other...


The problem with housing in uk is that mass immigration/buy to let/people buying 2nd-3rd homes etc, has been increasing demand way far beyond the level that supply has been able to meet for about 20 years now!!!


Ive been keeping it simple so far... but the wider economic implications are catastrophic!!!
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Tommy Monk wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

The housing market in this country is sickening. I really don't know how people are affording houses at all. It's all very well to say it's supply and demand, but it's just totally over the top.


'Supply and demand' is one of the fundamental principles of 'economics'...


When supply of something is at a comparatively equal level to the demand for it, then the price will remain roughly at the same level...


If the level of supply goes up but demand stays the same, then prices will fall...

If supply goes down but demand stays the same, then prices will rise...

Also...

If the level of supply stays the same but demand increases then prices will rise...

If supply stays the same but demand reduces, then prices will fall...


For prices to remain constant, then the levels of supply and demand must be consistently equal to each other...


The problem with housing in uk is that mass immigration/buy to let/people buying 2nd-3rd homes etc, has been increasing demand way far beyond the level that supply has been able to meet for about 20 years now!!!


Ive been keeping it simple so far... but the wider economic implications are catastrophic!!!

Yes, but no matter the level of demand, I still don't know how most people can afford to buy a house or flat. Prices in some areas are absurd.
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


'Supply and demand' is one of the fundamental principles of 'economics'...


When supply of something is at a comparatively equal level to the demand for it, then the price will remain roughly at the same level...


If the level of supply goes up but demand stays the same, then prices will fall...

If supply goes down but demand stays the same, then prices will rise...

Also...

If the level of supply stays the same but demand increases then prices will rise...

If supply stays the same but demand reduces, then prices will fall...


For prices to remain constant, then the levels of supply and demand must be consistently equal to each other...


The problem with housing in uk is that mass immigration/buy to let/people buying 2nd-3rd homes etc, has been increasing demand way far beyond the level that supply has been able to meet for about 20 years now!!!


Ive been keeping it simple so far... but the wider economic implications are catastrophic!!!

Yes, but no matter the level of demand, I still don't know how most people can afford to buy a house or flat. Prices in some areas are absurd.


Its all about 'supply and demand'... which doesnt just apply to each thing in isolation from everything else... there is a widespread interlinking of things economically... and as I said... the wider economic implications are catastrophic...!


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Post by HoratioTarr Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:57 pm

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'Supply and demand' is one of the fundamental principles of 'economics'...


When supply of something is at a comparatively equal level to the demand for it, then the price will remain roughly at the same level...


If the level of supply goes up but demand stays the same, then prices will fall...

If supply goes down but demand stays the same, then prices will rise...

Also...

If the level of supply stays the same but demand increases then prices will rise...

If supply stays the same but demand reduces, then prices will fall...


For prices to remain constant, then the levels of supply and demand must be consistently equal to each other...


The problem with housing in uk is that mass immigration/buy to let/people buying 2nd-3rd homes etc, has been increasing demand way far beyond the level that supply has been able to meet for about 20 years now!!!


Ive been keeping it simple so far... but the wider economic implications are catastrophic!!!

Yes, but no matter the level of demand, I still don't know how most people can afford to buy a house or flat. Prices in some areas are absurd.

And yet mortgages are generally cheaper per month than rent.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:38 am

Try getting one if you are currently having to live in a privately rented place and paying the eye watering amount of money for the privilege of paying the 'owners' borrowed buy to let mortgage repayments for them so they can end up owning a place that they have never paid a penny for, off the back of your hard work getting up and grafting every day just to buy them a house instead of the money you pay each month going towards buying it for yourself... and while you scrimp and scrape by doing this every month, you never able to save anything towards raising enough money to get deposit for mortgage of your own...!!!


Buy to let is a jolly wheeze for those already have... to get more... paid for from those who should have... because they are working hard to have it, but cant because others borrowed the money instead to 'own' so many of the places... while the hard work/blood/sweat/tears of those who should be 'owning' the places just pays back the bank loan for some other greedy bastard who signed a bit of paper first...


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Post by nicko Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:14 am

A program on TV called "homes under the hammer" shows people bidding for empty property. The camera follows some of these people to see what they have to do to the house before putting it up for sale or rent. Most are going to rent out the property, with some adding to their portfolio of dozens of houses. One or two, when asked how many houses they own say, "over a hundred" !Is it not possible to put a cap on the number of houses that one Landlord can own,and let the Councils buy some of them and rent them out for a reasonable price? To me it looks like greed. About 70% are bought by Asian Landlords, that's not being racist, "[why should it be?" it's just what's happening.
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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:10 am

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Yes, but no matter the level of demand, I still don't know how most people can afford to buy a house or flat. Prices in some areas are absurd.


Its all about 'supply and demand'... which doesnt just apply to each thing in isolation from everything else... there is a widespread interlinking of things economically... and as I said... the wider economic implications are catastrophic...!



Yes, I understand supply and demand Tommy. My point is that no matter the level of demand, which pushes the price up, I don't get who is able to afford to buy houses in many areas.
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Post by Raggamuffin Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:13 am

nicko wrote:A program on TV called "homes under the hammer"   shows people bidding for empty property. The camera follows some of these people to see what they have to do to the house before putting it up for sale or rent. Most are going to rent out the property, with some adding to their portfolio of dozens of houses.  One or two, when asked how many houses they own say,  "over a hundred"  !Is it not possible to put a cap on the number of houses that one Landlord can own,and let the Councils buy some of them and rent them out for a reasonable price?  To me it looks like greed.  About 70% are bought by Asian Landlords,  that's not being racist, "[why should it be?" it's just what's happening.  

I used to watch that, but I got fed up with it because they were all buying cheap so they could make money out of it. Nobody ever seemed to buy a house because they loved the look of it, or to live in, so the houses always ended up very bland. As you say, it all came across as rather greedy.
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