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How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:10 am
Labour’s plan for big rises in local taxation were laid bare last night.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to replace council tax and business rates with a new charge based on land value rather than property prices.
The Conservatives say this ‘garden tax’, which could be charged at 3 per cent, will hardest hit those with land adjoining their home. The party’s analysis of Labour’s policy has found that in the South East of England, the cost of the land value tax for the average home would be £5,539.
That is nearly four times the current £1,466 average cost of council tax in the region, or £4,073 more. The Tories say the rise in local taxation will be particularly severe for those with larger than average gardens.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575382/How-Labour-garden-tax-hit-YOU.html#ixzz4jDBfRFtA
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Jeremy Corbyn wants to replace council tax and business rates with a new charge based on land value rather than property prices.
The Conservatives say this ‘garden tax’, which could be charged at 3 per cent, will hardest hit those with land adjoining their home. The party’s analysis of Labour’s policy has found that in the South East of England, the cost of the land value tax for the average home would be £5,539.
That is nearly four times the current £1,466 average cost of council tax in the region, or £4,073 more. The Tories say the rise in local taxation will be particularly severe for those with larger than average gardens.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575382/How-Labour-garden-tax-hit-YOU.html#ixzz4jDBfRFtA
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by HoratioTarr Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:34 am
Thorin wrote:Labour’s plan for big rises in local taxation were laid bare last night.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to replace council tax and business rates with a new charge based on land value rather than property prices.
The Conservatives say this ‘garden tax’, which could be charged at 3 per cent, will hardest hit those with land adjoining their home. The party’s analysis of Labour’s policy has found that in the South East of England, the cost of the land value tax for the average home would be £5,539.
That is nearly four times the current £1,466 average cost of council tax in the region, or £4,073 more. The Tories say the rise in local taxation will be particularly severe for those with larger than average gardens.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575382/How-Labour-garden-tax-hit-YOU.html#ixzz4jDBfRFtA
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There are council houses with massive gardens. My mum had one. Penalising people for having gardens?
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:43 am
What I love about The Mail, is when it is under pressure you can always depend on it to lie, even when they know full well it's a lie. They have become hysterical over the last few days as the Conservative lead has fallen through the floor. What can we frighten people with today they think, oh we know, pretend we don't know this is a lie and publish this.
Now let's have the truth:
Labour won’t be introducing a so-called ‘garden tax’ – get the facts
Don’t let the Tories mislead you. Read what Labour’s plans actually are.
Working families are better off with Labour – the facts
Labour is the best and only option for working people. We would ensure that tax on property remains low, while the Conservatives cost you more. We won’t be taxing people’s gardens. The Tories are throwing around false claims to try and distract from their own policies.
Labour’s plan is for a fair taxation system where those on middle and lower incomes are protected. We have ruled out increasing VAT or National Insurance and we won’t put up income tax for anyone but the richest five per cent of the population. The Conservatives have failed to match this commitment. Theresa May would hit working people and pensioners with further tax rises.
The Conservatives want to deny this truth. They are trying to play politics and spread scare stories about what Labour is planning. They are deliberately trying to mislead people.
Here are the facts about our tax plans.
Labour’s will not be introducing a new tax on people’s homes
We won’t be taxing people’s gardens; it’s not going to happen. The Tories are simply throwing around false claims to try and distract from their own real policies: to hit pensioners and working people with a dementia tax, cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance and further tax rises on middle and low earners.
Labour’s manifesto commits us to making council tax fairer: our plan is to see what needs to be done to ensure that working people don’t pay more. We'll look at how we can make council tax fairer but we’ll not be introducing a separate Land Value Tax on residential property.
Labour costs you less
Council tax is lower with Labour: Where Labour controls the local council, households will pay on average £336 less this year than those living in Conservative areas.
Conservatives cost you more: The Conservatives said they would keep council tax down, yet it is rising rapidly and will be 25 per cent higher by the end of the decade than in 2015. The average council tax per dwelling in a Labour council area is £1042.31, versus £1,378.45 in Tory council areas.
Labour will ensure a fair tax system. We will protect lower and middle earners in the tax system while the Tories refuse to rule out new tax increases for these people.
Labour’s sensible, fully-costed plans are the right approach for working people. We will build a country for the many not just a privileged few.
.
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/splash/so-called-garden-tax?gclid=CKaqnbHxqNQCFUKVGwodlPsHwA
Now let's have the truth:
Labour won’t be introducing a so-called ‘garden tax’ – get the facts
Don’t let the Tories mislead you. Read what Labour’s plans actually are.
Working families are better off with Labour – the facts
Labour is the best and only option for working people. We would ensure that tax on property remains low, while the Conservatives cost you more. We won’t be taxing people’s gardens. The Tories are throwing around false claims to try and distract from their own policies.
Labour’s plan is for a fair taxation system where those on middle and lower incomes are protected. We have ruled out increasing VAT or National Insurance and we won’t put up income tax for anyone but the richest five per cent of the population. The Conservatives have failed to match this commitment. Theresa May would hit working people and pensioners with further tax rises.
The Conservatives want to deny this truth. They are trying to play politics and spread scare stories about what Labour is planning. They are deliberately trying to mislead people.
Here are the facts about our tax plans.
Labour’s will not be introducing a new tax on people’s homes
We won’t be taxing people’s gardens; it’s not going to happen. The Tories are simply throwing around false claims to try and distract from their own real policies: to hit pensioners and working people with a dementia tax, cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance and further tax rises on middle and low earners.
Labour’s manifesto commits us to making council tax fairer: our plan is to see what needs to be done to ensure that working people don’t pay more. We'll look at how we can make council tax fairer but we’ll not be introducing a separate Land Value Tax on residential property.
Labour costs you less
Council tax is lower with Labour: Where Labour controls the local council, households will pay on average £336 less this year than those living in Conservative areas.
Conservatives cost you more: The Conservatives said they would keep council tax down, yet it is rising rapidly and will be 25 per cent higher by the end of the decade than in 2015. The average council tax per dwelling in a Labour council area is £1042.31, versus £1,378.45 in Tory council areas.
Labour will ensure a fair tax system. We will protect lower and middle earners in the tax system while the Tories refuse to rule out new tax increases for these people.
Labour’s sensible, fully-costed plans are the right approach for working people. We will build a country for the many not just a privileged few.
.
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/splash/so-called-garden-tax?gclid=CKaqnbHxqNQCFUKVGwodlPsHwA
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:46 am
So why is it proposed as part of their manifesto?
Desperation by the Far Left again, as she expects people to believe the Labour website?
Desperation by the Far Left again, as she expects people to believe the Labour website?
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:52 am
HoratioTarr wrote:Thorin wrote:Labour’s plan for big rises in local taxation were laid bare last night.
Jeremy Corbyn wants to replace council tax and business rates with a new charge based on land value rather than property prices.
The Conservatives say this ‘garden tax’, which could be charged at 3 per cent, will hardest hit those with land adjoining their home. The party’s analysis of Labour’s policy has found that in the South East of England, the cost of the land value tax for the average home would be £5,539.
That is nearly four times the current £1,466 average cost of council tax in the region, or £4,073 more. The Tories say the rise in local taxation will be particularly severe for those with larger than average gardens.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4575382/How-Labour-garden-tax-hit-YOU.html#ixzz4jDBfRFtA
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
There are council houses with massive gardens. My mum had one. Penalising people for having gardens?
It seems that way and it could heavily hit many people, especially within the South east
Guest- Guest
Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:52 am
The right-wing press are LYING to you about Labour’s ‘Land Value Tax’. Here’s the truth.What is a land value tax?
You will probably have noticed a lot of stories in the media about a ‘land value tax’ that Labour are said to be keen on implementing, should they be elected on June 8th.
All of these stories are based on one single line of text from the 2017 Labour manifesto – a line which simply states that Labour would ‘consider new options’ to reform council tax and business rates such as a Land Value Tax.
Some outlets have even tried to describe how this policy is seemingly hidden in the ‘small print’ of the manifesto. The truth is that Labour’s manifesto is fully searchable online and contains absolutely no ‘small print’ whatsoever! (see below)
Land value tax is exactly as it’s described – a tax based on the value of the land you own – regardless of the value of any structures built on it. It would be a direct replacement for council tax and business rates, meaning that renters, and those who do not own their own property, would see their council tax bills disappear altogether.
People who do not own land would not have to pay a single penny of this tax, and would therefore see a large reduction in their bills due to the scrapping of council tax.
The argument could be made that landlords would attempt to offset this increase in tax onto their tenants, but with Labour’s proposal for controls on rent rises, this would make it almost impossible for landlords to get away with.
Furthermore, because the Land Value Tax would be based on the rental value of the plot owned, any landlord who wanted to increase the rental price of their property would also be increasing their own tax bill in the process.
Would it mean higher bills for ordinary homeowners?
It depends on the value of the land, and the amount of land you own.
The rate for people owning just one residential plot would be set at around 0.85% of the value of the unimproved land. This would mean that someone owning an plot worth £110,000 (regardless of the value of any structure built upon it) would pay just £935 per year in Land Value Tax – almost certainly a large reduction on their current council tax bill.
The higher the value of your plot of land, the higher your land value tax bill will be. But as long as you only own and reside in one property, you will only be required to pay the standard rate of 0.85%.
However, those owning second homes, landlords with rental property portfolios, and owners of commercial or industrial property, would be liable to pay a higher rate of Land Value Tax – set at around 3% of the value of the property. The idea of this higher rate is to encourage land owners to make productive use of their land to cover the costs of the tax, or sell to someone who would make better use of it.
A land value tax would also deter investors from hoarding vacant properties, or buying land purely in the hope that its value will increase in the future.
The Tories and their loyal minions in the right-wing press have attempted to spin this tax as a ‘garden tax’, but this is, once again, complete and utter nonsense. It has absolutely nothing to do with the size of your garden, but the value of the property as a whole.
Who would pay more under a Land Value Tax?
Essentially, a land value tax would mean that those with large property portfolios would be expected to stump up more in tax for each plot they own, whilst significantly reducing the burden of council tax on those less able to pay it.
There are two main reasons why the right-wing press and the Tories are so against this form of taxation:
Firstly, a Land Value Tax would mean substantially higher taxes on the already extremely wealthy owners of our mainstream media – who all own vast property empires.
Land Value Tax would be impossible for the rich to avoid or evade. It is impossible to hide land in a tax haven – and if these people don’t pay up, the land and property they own can be incrementally taken in lieu of payment.
What do economists say?
The Land Value Tax has been supported by a huge number of economists throughout history, right up to the modern day. Adam Smith said of it: “nothing [could] be more reasonable”, whilst Milton Friedman said it was the ‘least bad tax’. Even the notoriously conservative Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has backed a land value tax!
The Land Value Tax is seen by economists as an inherently fairer way of taxation. Land values generally rise with improvements to local infrastructure, and this infrastructure is paid for through taxation. Therefore the implementation of a Land Value tax would mean the subsequent uplift in wealth would flow into the community, rather than purely to the individual owning the land which has seen its value increase due to these improvements in infrastructure.
Conclusion
If you’re a private renter, the introduction of a Land Value Tax would see your bills decrease substantially due to the scrapping of council tax.
If you own a single residential plot up to the value of around £120,000, you will certainly see a reduction in your bills.
If you own a single residential plot worth between £120,000 and £250,000, there will be no substantial increase to your tax bills based on the value of the land – regardless of the value of the property.
[The same theory would apply to those renting commercial property as Land Value Tax would also replace Business Rates.]
However, if you own a second home, or own a vast property empire, you will see an increase in tax based on the amount of property you own and its value.
With all this being said, Labour have only mentioned the Land Value Tax in a single line in their manifesto as an option they are looking into. An option which is highly popular with economists, and has already been successfully implemented in places like Denmark – a socialist democratic country that leads the charts for happiness across the globe.
But once again we see the right-wing press completely misrepresenting an idea that could see their already super-rich billionaire owners taxed a little more, and spin it to try and scare their readers into voting against their own best interests.
This article has been updated to reflect the fact that the amount of Land Value Tax owed would be calculated solely on the value of the plot of land, regardless of any structure built upon it. Please follow this link to our correction article for more information.
http://evolvepolitics.com/right-wing-press-lying-labours-land-value-tax-heres-truth/
We made a mistake. The Land Value Tax would be MUCH BETTER for ordinary homeowners than even we thought!
We published an article yesterday about Labour’s proposed Land Value Tax. However, after doing more research into the proposals, it became clear that we had made a fundamental mistake when calculating the amount ordinary homeowners might pay.
Based on the proposals set forward in Labour’s preferred proposal document, the value of your property would have no bearing whatsoever on the amount of land value tax you pay. The amount would be calculated solely on the value of the unimproved land. (see below)
In essence, what this means is that the tax bills for any ordinary homeowner would decrease substantially from the amount of council tax you currently pay. The land value tax is based on the value of the land you own, regardless of any structure built upon it.
It’s hard to put an estimate on it, but for the purpose of this calculation we will hypothesise that an average unimproved plot is worth half the amount when disregarding the property built upon it. This is a pretty basic monetary assumption, and the plot of land by itself would almost certainly be worth less than half the value of the property.
However, if we do use this basis for the calculation, someone owning a home worth £250,000 would pay just £1062.50 in Land Value Tax per year – almost certainly a substantial decrease on their current council tax bill.
We apologise once again for making this rather careless mistake, and we do hope this quells any worries ordinary homeowners may have had about the Land Value Tax.
http://evolvepolitics.com/made-mistake-land-value-tax-much-better-ordinary-homeowners-even-thought/
You will probably have noticed a lot of stories in the media about a ‘land value tax’ that Labour are said to be keen on implementing, should they be elected on June 8th.
All of these stories are based on one single line of text from the 2017 Labour manifesto – a line which simply states that Labour would ‘consider new options’ to reform council tax and business rates such as a Land Value Tax.
Some outlets have even tried to describe how this policy is seemingly hidden in the ‘small print’ of the manifesto. The truth is that Labour’s manifesto is fully searchable online and contains absolutely no ‘small print’ whatsoever! (see below)
Land value tax is exactly as it’s described – a tax based on the value of the land you own – regardless of the value of any structures built on it. It would be a direct replacement for council tax and business rates, meaning that renters, and those who do not own their own property, would see their council tax bills disappear altogether.
People who do not own land would not have to pay a single penny of this tax, and would therefore see a large reduction in their bills due to the scrapping of council tax.
The argument could be made that landlords would attempt to offset this increase in tax onto their tenants, but with Labour’s proposal for controls on rent rises, this would make it almost impossible for landlords to get away with.
Furthermore, because the Land Value Tax would be based on the rental value of the plot owned, any landlord who wanted to increase the rental price of their property would also be increasing their own tax bill in the process.
Would it mean higher bills for ordinary homeowners?
It depends on the value of the land, and the amount of land you own.
The rate for people owning just one residential plot would be set at around 0.85% of the value of the unimproved land. This would mean that someone owning an plot worth £110,000 (regardless of the value of any structure built upon it) would pay just £935 per year in Land Value Tax – almost certainly a large reduction on their current council tax bill.
The higher the value of your plot of land, the higher your land value tax bill will be. But as long as you only own and reside in one property, you will only be required to pay the standard rate of 0.85%.
However, those owning second homes, landlords with rental property portfolios, and owners of commercial or industrial property, would be liable to pay a higher rate of Land Value Tax – set at around 3% of the value of the property. The idea of this higher rate is to encourage land owners to make productive use of their land to cover the costs of the tax, or sell to someone who would make better use of it.
A land value tax would also deter investors from hoarding vacant properties, or buying land purely in the hope that its value will increase in the future.
The Tories and their loyal minions in the right-wing press have attempted to spin this tax as a ‘garden tax’, but this is, once again, complete and utter nonsense. It has absolutely nothing to do with the size of your garden, but the value of the property as a whole.
Who would pay more under a Land Value Tax?
Essentially, a land value tax would mean that those with large property portfolios would be expected to stump up more in tax for each plot they own, whilst significantly reducing the burden of council tax on those less able to pay it.
There are two main reasons why the right-wing press and the Tories are so against this form of taxation:
Firstly, a Land Value Tax would mean substantially higher taxes on the already extremely wealthy owners of our mainstream media – who all own vast property empires.
Land Value Tax would be impossible for the rich to avoid or evade. It is impossible to hide land in a tax haven – and if these people don’t pay up, the land and property they own can be incrementally taken in lieu of payment.
What do economists say?
The Land Value Tax has been supported by a huge number of economists throughout history, right up to the modern day. Adam Smith said of it: “nothing [could] be more reasonable”, whilst Milton Friedman said it was the ‘least bad tax’. Even the notoriously conservative Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has backed a land value tax!
The Land Value Tax is seen by economists as an inherently fairer way of taxation. Land values generally rise with improvements to local infrastructure, and this infrastructure is paid for through taxation. Therefore the implementation of a Land Value tax would mean the subsequent uplift in wealth would flow into the community, rather than purely to the individual owning the land which has seen its value increase due to these improvements in infrastructure.
Conclusion
If you’re a private renter, the introduction of a Land Value Tax would see your bills decrease substantially due to the scrapping of council tax.
If you own a single residential plot up to the value of around £120,000, you will certainly see a reduction in your bills.
If you own a single residential plot worth between £120,000 and £250,000, there will be no substantial increase to your tax bills based on the value of the land – regardless of the value of the property.
[The same theory would apply to those renting commercial property as Land Value Tax would also replace Business Rates.]
However, if you own a second home, or own a vast property empire, you will see an increase in tax based on the amount of property you own and its value.
With all this being said, Labour have only mentioned the Land Value Tax in a single line in their manifesto as an option they are looking into. An option which is highly popular with economists, and has already been successfully implemented in places like Denmark – a socialist democratic country that leads the charts for happiness across the globe.
But once again we see the right-wing press completely misrepresenting an idea that could see their already super-rich billionaire owners taxed a little more, and spin it to try and scare their readers into voting against their own best interests.
This article has been updated to reflect the fact that the amount of Land Value Tax owed would be calculated solely on the value of the plot of land, regardless of any structure built upon it. Please follow this link to our correction article for more information.
http://evolvepolitics.com/right-wing-press-lying-labours-land-value-tax-heres-truth/
We made a mistake. The Land Value Tax would be MUCH BETTER for ordinary homeowners than even we thought!
We published an article yesterday about Labour’s proposed Land Value Tax. However, after doing more research into the proposals, it became clear that we had made a fundamental mistake when calculating the amount ordinary homeowners might pay.
Based on the proposals set forward in Labour’s preferred proposal document, the value of your property would have no bearing whatsoever on the amount of land value tax you pay. The amount would be calculated solely on the value of the unimproved land. (see below)
In essence, what this means is that the tax bills for any ordinary homeowner would decrease substantially from the amount of council tax you currently pay. The land value tax is based on the value of the land you own, regardless of any structure built upon it.
It’s hard to put an estimate on it, but for the purpose of this calculation we will hypothesise that an average unimproved plot is worth half the amount when disregarding the property built upon it. This is a pretty basic monetary assumption, and the plot of land by itself would almost certainly be worth less than half the value of the property.
However, if we do use this basis for the calculation, someone owning a home worth £250,000 would pay just £1062.50 in Land Value Tax per year – almost certainly a substantial decrease on their current council tax bill.
We apologise once again for making this rather careless mistake, and we do hope this quells any worries ordinary homeowners may have had about the Land Value Tax.
http://evolvepolitics.com/made-mistake-land-value-tax-much-better-ordinary-homeowners-even-thought/
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:54 am
Thorin wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:
There are council houses with massive gardens. My mum had one. Penalising people for having gardens?
It seems that way and it could heavily hit many people, especially within the South east
Bless, you must be getting desperate to tell outright lies.
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:54 am
So more spamming by sassy from far leftie sites
is it not being proposed as part of the manifesto?
Yes or No?
is it not being proposed as part of the manifesto?
Yes or No?
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:55 am
sassy wrote:Thorin wrote:
It seems that way and it could heavily hit many people, especially within the South east
Bless, you must be getting desperate to tell outright lies.
What lies?
Maybe you could argue for yourself without spamming articles as your answer in every post
So again
is it not being proposed as part of the manifesto?
Yes or No?
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by HoratioTarr Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:28 am
sassy wrote:What I love about The Mail, is when it is under pressure you can always depend on it to lie, even when they know full well it's a lie. They have become hysterical over the last few days as the Conservative lead has fallen through the floor. What can we frighten people with today they think, oh we know, pretend we don't know this is a lie and publish this.
Now let's have the truth:
Labour won’t be introducing a so-called ‘garden tax’ – get the facts
Don’t let the Tories mislead you. Read what Labour’s plans actually are.
Working families are better off with Labour – the facts
Labour is the best and only option for working people. We would ensure that tax on property remains low, while the Conservatives cost you more. We won’t be taxing people’s gardens. The Tories are throwing around false claims to try and distract from their own policies.
Labour’s plan is for a fair taxation system where those on middle and lower incomes are protected. We have ruled out increasing VAT or National Insurance and we won’t put up income tax for anyone but the richest five per cent of the population. The Conservatives have failed to match this commitment. Theresa May would hit working people and pensioners with further tax rises.
The Conservatives want to deny this truth. They are trying to play politics and spread scare stories about what Labour is planning. They are deliberately trying to mislead people.
Here are the facts about our tax plans.
Labour’s will not be introducing a new tax on people’s homes
We won’t be taxing people’s gardens; it’s not going to happen. The Tories are simply throwing around false claims to try and distract from their own real policies: to hit pensioners and working people with a dementia tax, cuts to the Winter Fuel Allowance and further tax rises on middle and low earners.
Labour’s manifesto commits us to making council tax fairer: our plan is to see what needs to be done to ensure that working people don’t pay more. We'll look at how we can make council tax fairer but we’ll not be introducing a separate Land Value Tax on residential property.
Labour costs you less
Council tax is lower with Labour: Where Labour controls the local council, households will pay on average £336 less this year than those living in Conservative areas.
Conservatives cost you more: The Conservatives said they would keep council tax down, yet it is rising rapidly and will be 25 per cent higher by the end of the decade than in 2015. The average council tax per dwelling in a Labour council area is £1042.31, versus £1,378.45 in Tory council areas.
Labour will ensure a fair tax system. We will protect lower and middle earners in the tax system while the Tories refuse to rule out new tax increases for these people.
Labour’s sensible, fully-costed plans are the right approach for working people. We will build a country for the many not just a privileged few.
.
http://www.labour.org.uk/index.php/splash/so-called-garden-tax?gclid=CKaqnbHxqNQCFUKVGwodlPsHwA
Did you find this today? How long has this denial been up on their website?
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Fred Moletrousers Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:18 pm
sassy wrote:Thorin wrote:
It seems that way and it could heavily hit many people, especially within the South east
Bless, you must be getting desperate to tell outright lies.
Do you mean "outright lies" such as the claim by your main source, EvolvePolitics, to be "truly independent"?
Even the most cursory glance at this will prove otherwise.
EvolvePolitics did once have a good go at Labour MPs, I recall - by naming those who failed to vote against a measure which, the website wailed, "could have defeated the government."
Not much sign of "true independence" there, then.
http://evolvepolitics.com/category/mainstream-media-bias/
And, of course, Sassy wants us to believe that the stuff shoved out by the Labour Party communications department (aka, in the trade, the "Department of Lies and Spin") is "the truth."
Truth like the briefings that were issued by two of its officials (Whelan and MacBride) who deliberately made up filthy, salacious and untrue stories about Tory MPs and then hawked them around press. radio and TV with the intention of destroying not only their parliamentary careers but also their marriages and family relationships? Yeah, right....
Frankly, anyone who believes so-called election pledges is a fool, regardless of which party makes them.
Whoever wins on Thursday will already have prepared their hand-wringing excuses for not delivering on most of what they have promised, to be issued after the new Parliament assembles, and you can bet your bottom dollar that the same wording will apply: "...once we had had an opportunity to examine the books of the last government..."
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:29 pm
After all that bluster Fred, it's still a lie.
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Re: How Labour garden tax will hit YOU: Full extent of new land levy of up to £8,800 is exposed
by Fred Moletrousers Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:51 pm
sassy wrote:After all that bluster Fred, it's still a lie.
Or perhaps the "truly independent" EvolvePolitics leading contributors and "editors" Robert Walsh ("...cries of 'murderer' greeted this Tory toff..." and "...this Tory stunt..."when reporting on a speech by Iain Duncan Smith), or the well known Morning Star contributor and proud Corbyn and far Left politics supporter Matt Turner.
Or the Left wing video ranter Matt Black...
The fact is your much-vaunted "truly independent" source is a far Left site dedicated to publishing the maximum number of smears about Tories and lionising Corbyn and the far Left in practically every article.
It would be interesting to find out how much Momentum are behind this "truly independent" site, wouldn't it?
In the meantime, you really hate any opposition to the reams of Labour propaganda that you're endlessly spamming, don't you?
Well some here may fall for your patronising, insulting attitude towards other posters, but I'm not one of them.
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by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:14 pm
Fuzzy Zack wrote:Thorin wrote:So why is it proposed as part of their manifesto?
Desperation by the Far Left again, as she expects people to believe the Labour website?
You're either lying or cannot read.
Sassy has wiped the floor with you on this one. And your stubbornness is turning you into a dirty rag.
Has she, by spamming biased articles?
A dirty rag?
PMSL
Seriously your immaturity is hilarious at the best of times, but this takes the biggest.
You are not the standard to claim who is better, you need to reason why, just as Me Lord was able to reason why sassy is full of babble
So best you put up my little funny friend
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by HoratioTarr Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:52 pm
sassy wrote:After all that bluster Fred, it's still a lie.
Can you answer my question, please. When did you first see what you posted about Labour's denial of garden tax? I didn't see anyone post this up when garden tax was first brought up some weeks ago.
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by HoratioTarr Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:07 pm
Labour's manifesto claimed...
A Labour government will give local government extra funding next year.
We will initiate a review into reforming council tax and business rates and consider new options such as a land value tax, to ensure local government has sustainable funding for the long term.
Labour is the party of devolution
and now this new page on their website claims...
Labour’s manifesto commits us to making council tax fairer: our plan is to see what needs to be done to ensure that working people don’t pay more. We'll look at how we can make council tax fairer but we’ll not be introducing a separate Land Value Tax on residential property.
Perhaps they should have clarified that then, in their manifesto. Did they suddenly realise a land tax claim was causing one hell of a furore, so they amended their statement on the website.
It's easy to go into the HTML source of a website to see when a page was updated or created. The one Sassy posted was updated today.
A Labour government will give local government extra funding next year.
We will initiate a review into reforming council tax and business rates and consider new options such as a land value tax, to ensure local government has sustainable funding for the long term.
Labour is the party of devolution
and now this new page on their website claims...
Labour’s manifesto commits us to making council tax fairer: our plan is to see what needs to be done to ensure that working people don’t pay more. We'll look at how we can make council tax fairer but we’ll not be introducing a separate Land Value Tax on residential property.
Perhaps they should have clarified that then, in their manifesto. Did they suddenly realise a land tax claim was causing one hell of a furore, so they amended their statement on the website.
It's easy to go into the HTML source of a website to see when a page was updated or created. The one Sassy posted was updated today.
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Plus, why is the story all over every newspaper, not just The Mail?
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by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:18 pm
HoratioTarr wrote:Plus, why is the story all over every newspaper, not just The Mail?
It's probably in the Express and the Telegraph because them promote Tory lies. The Independent nailed it as a lie ages ago. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-land-value-tax-manifesto-general-election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-a7738766.htmlI
As for adding the note to the Manifesto, I presume refuting and nailing a lie and pointing out what was actually said is somehow wrong? So, let's everyone lie about you and laugh when you refute it.
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by HoratioTarr Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:20 pm
sassy wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:Plus, why is the story all over every newspaper, not just The Mail?
It's probably in the Express and the Telegraph because them promote Tory lies. The Independent nailed it as a lie ages ago. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-land-value-tax-manifesto-general-election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-a7738766.htmlI
As for adding the note to the Manifesto, I presume refuting and nailing a lie and pointing out what was actually said is somehow wrong? So, let's everyone lie about you and laugh when you refute it.
I'm just trying to clarify why this would be plastered over so many papers. Why isn't the fact that they have no intention of there being a residential land tax actually in the manifesto? They must have known it would cause confusion?
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by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:26 pm
HoratioTarr wrote:sassy wrote:
It's probably in the Express and the Telegraph because them promote Tory lies. The Independent nailed it as a lie ages ago. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-land-value-tax-manifesto-general-election-2017-jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-a7738766.htmlI
As for adding the note to the Manifesto, I presume refuting and nailing a lie and pointing out what was actually said is somehow wrong? So, let's everyone lie about you and laugh when you refute it.
I'm just trying to clarify why this would be plastered over so many papers. Why isn't the fact that they have no intention of there being a residential land tax actually in the manifesto? They must have known it would cause confusion?
Oh dont be naive, it's plastered over so many papers because the media is back by people who want the Tories to win, because they don't want to pay their taxes etc and are happy to print any lie at the moment, because the Tories have lost their 24 point lead and Corbyn is storming it all over the country. The rallies are fucking amazing and they aren't showing them either.
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by eddie Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:37 pm
What "people" are these who want the Tories to win?
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by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:41 pm
eddie wrote:What "people" are these who want the Tories to win?
Well, let's see, how about the owners of the Express, Telegraph, Sun, Mail etc, who donate to the Tory party and keep them going and in return pay less tax and are allowed to avoid tax by sticking their money in tax havens overseas.
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by HoratioTarr Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:42 pm
sassy wrote:HoratioTarr wrote:
I'm just trying to clarify why this would be plastered over so many papers. Why isn't the fact that they have no intention of there being a residential land tax actually in the manifesto? They must have known it would cause confusion?
Oh dont be naive, it's plastered over so many papers because the media is back by people who want the Tories to win, because they don't want to pay their taxes etc and are happy to print any lie at the moment, because the Tories have lost their 24 point lead and Corbyn is storming it all over the country. The rallies are fucking amazing and they aren't showing them either.
Calm down, you'll bust your truss. Didn't the same people cheering Corbyn on believe we wouldn't leave the EU too? How they all crowed about it. It's not over til the fat lady sings, is it? Speaking of which, Corbyn's right hand plonker does rather keep sabotaging his efforts, doesn't she?
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by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:45 pm
Right hand plonker - oh you mean Boris. Yep, he even had a radio interviewer telling him to stop talking today. That was really funny. And then of course, he's still saying that it's true £350mill a day will go to the NHS.
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by HoratioTarr Tue Jun 06, 2017 4:51 pm
eddie wrote:What "people" are these who want the Tories to win?
It's all going on 'polls'. It's not taking into account people who don't take part in polls. There will be millions who don't but who just go and vote and be done with it. I'm one of them.
All rallies are 'amazing' aren't they? I don't see the Conservatives saying theirs are crap.
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sassy wrote:Right hand plonker - oh you mean Boris. Yep, he even had a radio interviewer telling him to stop talking today. That was really funny. And then of course, he's still saying that it's true £350mill a day will go to the NHS.
Not another one who can't differentiate between male and female!
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by Fred Moletrousers Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:13 pm
sassy wrote:eddie wrote:What "people" are these who want the Tories to win?
Well, let's see, how about the owners of the Express, Telegraph, Sun, Mail etc, who donate to the Tory party and keep them going and in return pay less tax and are allowed to avoid tax by sticking their money in tax havens overseas.
Like Left-leaning Guardian, you mean?
At least they're not like the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror, which was owned by a Labour MP Robert Maxwell who actually stole his employees' pension fund to finance his extravagant lifestyle.......
Of course there's always the "truly independent" EvolvePolitics that you hold in such high regard....
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by Fred Moletrousers Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:16 pm
sassy wrote:Right hand plonker - oh you mean Boris. Yep, he even had a radio interviewer telling him to stop talking today. That was really funny. And then of course, he's still saying that it's true £350mill a day will go to the NHS.
Not half so funny as watching Diane Abbott talking about practically anything that requires the application of more than two operational brain cells, Sassy.
(Interviewer: How much will this cost?
(Abbott): Er, it will cost a lot......
Maybe she should have had the advantage of a good public school education like, er, her son......
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by Guest Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:25 pm
Fred Moletrousers wrote:sassy wrote:Right hand plonker - oh you mean Boris. Yep, he even had a radio interviewer telling him to stop talking today. That was really funny. And then of course, he's still saying that it's true £350mill a day will go to the NHS.
Not half so funny as watching Diane Abbott talking about practically anything that requires the application of more than two operational brain cells, Sassy.
(Interviewer: How much will this cost?
(Abbott): Er, it will cost a lot......
Maybe she should have had the advantage of a good public school education like, er, her son......
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by eddie Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:42 pm
sassy wrote:eddie wrote:What "people" are these who want the Tories to win?
Well, let's see, how about the owners of the Express, Telegraph, Sun, Mail etc, who donate to the Tory party and keep them going and in return pay less tax and are allowed to avoid tax by sticking their money in tax havens overseas.
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying. I was actually curious as to who they were.
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And rich Labour people don't?
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