Watch The Reaction Of US Soldiers In Vietnam When They Hear They're Going Home

by Guest Sun Jun 04, 2017 2:16 pm

This video clip is from the documentary film "Dear America: Letters Home from Vietnam". The film was constructed entirely using archival footage.
The sheer happiness and relief they all share at this moment is wonderful.

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by Original Quill Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:13 pm

And yet we still elect Republicans, who still want wars with no purpose and no end.

by Guest Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:17 pm

Original Quill wrote:And yet we still elect Republicans, who still want wars with no purpose and no end.

Yes we need to fight wars against real enemies.

Roosevelt did
So did Lincoln

Were they wrong?

by Original Quill Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:34 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:And yet we still elect Republicans, who still want wars with no purpose and no end.

Yes we need to fight wars against real enemies.

Roosevelt did
So did Lincoln

Were they wrong?

Good question. Perhaps instead of looking for the causes of just wars, we need to study the causes of unjust wars.

The so-called superpower nations have become enamored with themselves, disregarding any concern for the purposes or ends of conflict. They want some sort of revenge on, say, ISIS, without even contemplating why it is the enemy? In someplace deep down in the gut, there is no morality, but a cry: I'm bigger and badder, and by god will they be sorry they messed with us.

WTF...is that any reason to start a war, kill hundreds of thousands, rape, torture and murder, and waste $17-trillion, bringing the country to the brink of another Great Depression? Just because we can?? Just for bragging rights?

War is no longer a means to an end. It's no longer associated with political goals. It's apparently a way to compensate for weak self-esteem.

by Guest Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:35 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Yes we need to fight wars against real enemies.

Roosevelt did
So did Lincoln

Were they wrong?

Good question. Perhaps instead of looking for the causes of just wars, we need to study the causes of unjust wars.

The so-called superpower nations have become enamored with themselves, disregarding any concern for the purposes or ends of conflict. They want some sort of revenge on, say, ISIS, without even contemplating why it is the enemy? In someplace deep down in the gut, there is no morality, but a cry: I'm bigger and badder, and by god will they be sorry they messed with us.

WTF...is that any reason to start a war, kill hundreds of thousands, rape, torture and murder, and waste $17-trillion, bringing the country to the brink of another Great Depression? Just because we can?? Just for bragging rights?

War is no longer a means to an end. It's no longer associated with political goals. It's apparently a way to compensate for weak self-esteem.

Well has there been an unjust war?

Freeing Afghanistan of the Taliban?

Freeing Iraq from Saddam?

War is needed as how else would we now have Bosnian Muslims,protected from genocide, if we had not gone to war?

by Original Quill Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:45 pm

Thorin wrote:Well has there been an unjust war?

Freeing Afghanistan of the Taliban?

We never accomplished that. When all is said and done, the Taliban will rule when it's over.

Thorin wrote:Freeing Iraq from Saddam?

We've only traded one bad situation for another. Al Qaeda in Iraq was the remnants of Saddam's strongmen, which has now morphed into ISIS, claiming even greater territory. We've gone from the frying pay into the fire.

Thorin wrote:War is needed as how else would we now have Bosnian Muslims,protected from genocide, if we had not gone to war?

You've lost the point: ask not what is a good war; ask what is a bad war.

by Guest Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:48 pm

Well they are not ruling and the people of that nation are fighting against them. Though am interested in your defeat thesis here, as to not bother and show defeat to such a group. Talk about having no hope for the people of Afghanistan.

No that was ISIS, as Al Qaeda existed before even the first Iraq war, and what are Al Qaeda now?

And then you end on drivel

by Original Quill Mon Jun 05, 2017 12:47 am

Thorin wrote:Well they are not ruling and the people of that nation are fighting against them.

Yeah, like the people of Gaza wanted freedom and democracy. We in the west a propping up puppet governments just as we did with the Ngo Dinh Deim regime in Viet Nam. As soon as we leave, they will fall.

Thorin wrote: Though am interested in your defeat thesis here, as to not bother and show defeat to such a group. Talk about having no hope for the people of Afghanistan.

Right...it's not up to us. Remember? Peace must be internal? We are outside their country, outside their religion, and incapable of having any influence except that which comes from the barrel of a gun. As soon as the guns are withdrawn, the Taliban come back and take over.

By-the-by, what do you think they were hoping to achieve there, and how...? We invaded that country for revenge...what is the end-game for revenge?

Thorin wrote:No that was ISIS, as Al Qaeda existed before even the first Iraq war, and what are Al Qaeda now?

And then you end on drivel

And the Muslim Brotherhood existed before WWII. But the MB, al Qaeda and ISIS were nothing until we invigorated them. The 9-11 attack was 19-men on a suicide mission...and that was all al-Qaeda had. The Iraq War, which had nothing to do with 9-11, was the catalyst for the next 100-years of hostilities...perhaps nuclear hostilities. Kidnapping, torture, rape of their daughters, murder of their babies? We created their hatred toward us.

Invading Iraq and Afghanistan was the biggest recruitment tool ever for the entire Muslim world. It made al-Qaeda into a real force, and subsequently gave root to ISIS. Of course, ISIS is still just a pickup truck army, but we certainly have lit a flame in the hearts of Muslims forever, haven't we?

by Guest Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:06 am

1) Gaza is not occupied and continues to attack Israel as it refuses to accept their right to exist. It also has come out again to state this also.
Well considering Israel has been attack by Multiple enemies and won every-time, shows how out of touch with reality you are. Or more to the point it seems you want Israel to be destroyed.

2) Next part was just gibberish

3) We have been here before, Islam has been attacking the west since its creation, and was only checked at the gates of Vienna in the 17th century. The Muslim Brotherhood is irrelevant. But groups like Al Qaeda existed before any policies in Iraq. Showing that they are about Islamic supremacy and global domination

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by Original Quill Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:18 pm

Thorin wrote: Gaza is not occupied and continues to attack Israel as it refuses to accept their right to exist. It also has come out again to state this also.
Well considering Israel has been attack by Multiple enemies and won every-time, shows how out of touch with reality you are. Or more to the point it seems you want Israel to be destroyed.

You don't even know the history of Gaza, do you? Some scholar!

Gaza held an election in 2006. In that election your thesis that forces for (your) good in the community would will out, was tested. The result was a victory for Hamas, who won with 74 seats of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah won just 45. In terms of votes received, Hamas took 44.45% of the vote, whilst Fatah received 41.43% and of the Electoral Districts, Hamas party candidates received 41.73% and Fatah party candidates received 36.96%. The parliament was inaugurated on 18 February 2006. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_legislative_election,_2006

So much for your argument that you are on the side of all that is holy and righteous. The people wanted changed. They voted in the very Islam that you condemn! Face it, didge, in their eyes you represent the rapists, kidnappers, torturers and baby-killers. Their vision of righteousness is with the other side. Think about that the next time you say you are about saving them!

Politics is about perception, and in their eyes you truly are the infidel. We, the western nations, did that. And we are still doing it, with out presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, and our bad-mouthing the ISIS forces. Al Qaeda, like the Muslim Brotherhood, predates both 9-11 and the Iraq War, but that is inconsequential; the birth date is not as important as the build-up. We, the western nations, breathed life and growth into al Qaeda by our own belligerence. When we attacked Iraq, kidnapped their sons, raped their daughters, tortured their fathers and killed their babies, we drove millions of them into the anti-western camps. What we see in Manchester, San Bernardino and Paris is the result...the result of our doings, not just theirs.

Think about that next time you speak of 'liberating' the women of Islam or freeing Iraq from Saddam. I'm sure they'll fall into goose-step with your persuasions.

by Guest Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:33 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote: Gaza is not occupied and continues to attack Israel as it refuses to accept their right to exist. It also has come out again to state this also.
Well considering Israel has been attack by Multiple enemies and won every-time, shows how out of touch with reality you are. Or more to the point it seems you want Israel to be destroyed.

You don't even know the history of Gaza, do you? Some scholar!

Gaza held an election in 2006. In that election your thesis that forces for (your) good in the community would will out, was tested. The result was a victory for Hamas, who won with 74 seats of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah won just 45. In terms of votes received, Hamas took 44.45% of the vote, whilst Fatah received 41.43% and of the Electoral Districts, Hamas party candidates received 41.73% and Fatah party candidates received 36.96%. The parliament was inaugurated on 18 February 2006.

So much for your argument that you are on the side of all that is holy and righteous. The people wanted changed. They voted in the very Islam that you condemn! Face it, didge, in their eyes you represent the rapists, kidnappers, torturers and baby-killers. Their vision of righteousness is with the other side. Think about that the next time you say you are about saving them!

Politics is about perception, and in their eyes you truly are the infidel. We, the western nations, did that. And we are still doing it, with out presence in Afghanistan and Iraq, and our bad-mouthing the ISIS forces. Think about that next time you speak of 'liberating' the women of Islam. I'm sure they'll fall into goose-step with your persuasions.

Well you need to go back a year where Israel pulled out of Gaza Mr Tantrum and at no point was any of my history wrong. Nobody mentioned elections.

So your argument is people wanted change?

Yes we saw the same when Nazi Germany came to power.

Oh dear did I just sink your dumb and poorly conceived argument

The hamas charter calls for the destruction of the Jews and Israel, exactly like Nazi Germany and at no point does the recent declaration cancel out this charter

So people may well have voted for hamas, but they voted for a group that wants to commit mass genocide.

Again it has always been the Palestinians that have started and continued the violence against Israel, because they refuse to want or all Jews to have their own nation. Thus the Palestinians themselves are the makers of this continued problem. They could have peace tomorrow if they so wished, and yet they continue to refuse to do so. They had a chance in 1937, and 1947 and numerous times since and you continue to back the fight of those who wish to eliminate the Jews from existence. Yet hamas perpetuates a system of continued hate against Israel and you ignore this. I mean based on that stance and methodology, you mighty as well back the racist view of the KKK who hate black people and do not want to live side b y side by them. As that is effectively what you are saying. That to back this hate over people living in peace.

We stop genocide in East Timor by Indonesia and many Muslims did not like this, this made them see the west as enemies. I mean if you want to capitulate to people wanting to kill us because we stop them committing genocide, then please surrender now to them, as you might as well. As your view clearly is that we fear offending them, because we stand up for human rights. I mean think about that, they are offneded we stop them mass murdering people and for that the Bali bombing happened. That you think we should allow people to be butchered by them, or we will face their wrath. Well bring it on, the day you capitulate to those of hate who commit genocide tells me everything that is wrong with the mind of a regressive as I will always stand up to oppression and those committing hate. As ask yourself why is Gaza without any Jews living there?

As the reality is you are saying its wrong that we ousted the Taliban who murdered countless Muslims and oppressed. That to you its wrong to have ousted Saddam who murdered hundreds of thousands. Like I say if you had been alive with your views back in the 1930's you would have been blaming the west for Hitler and been calling for him to be allowed to walk over thew world. Which sums up the madness of your reasoning.

by Guest Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:55 pm

This needs to be listened to again.

Catch you all later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHR8AOxxkc

by Original Quill Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:00 pm

Thorin wrote:So your argument is people wanted change?

No, my argument is that change was the mark of your being on the wrong side. It never ceases to amaze me that you can be in mid-argument, and have never read or understood what is being said! I said "politics is perception" and you have created and confirmed a perception of the west as the infidels.

How mendacious of you to argue for the rights of women in Islam, when you represent the troops that raped the sisters and daughters of Muslims, when you represent the troops that kidnapped, tortured and murdered Muslims...and tossed the rest in concentration camps without benefit of due process of law. You are the personification of the German boot...crushing skulls, while lying and denying.

We see these tactics with Vlad Putin even today. We're not in Ukraine...those aren't our troops! We didn't shoot down that Malaysian passenger Jet! But then, you like the authoritarian dictator, don't you?

by Original Quill Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:04 pm

Thorin wrote:This needs to be listened to again.

Catch you all later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHR8AOxxkc

Another in your collection?? Good god, man...don't you ever think for yourself?Can't you formulate an argument of your own?

by Guest Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:So your argument is people wanted change?

No, my argument is that change was the mark of your being on the wrong side. It never ceases to amaze me that you can be in mid-argument, and have never read or understood what is being said! I said "politics is perception" and you have created a perception of the west as the ogres.

How mendacious of you to argue for the rights of women in Islam, when you represent the troops that raped the sisters and daughters of Muslims, when you represent the troops that kidnapped, tortured and murdered Muslims...and tossed the rest in concentration camps without benefit of due process of law. You are the personification of the German boot...crushing skulls, while lying and denying.

We see these tactics with Vlad Putin even today. We're not in Ukraine...those aren't our troops! We didn't shoot down that Malaysian passenger Jet! But then, you like the authoritarian dictator, don't you?

You avoided everything and just spun me a load of drivel as per usual

So either you back hamas and its call to eradicate the Jews, or you stand against them?

If you think people voting gives cause to those then in power, you clearly then back Trump to then commit wrongs himself. Then you invoke more gibberish when due to a small number of US soldiers commit crimes ( of which I condemn their crimes), this somehow represents the whole Invasion and occupation of Iraq. Let alone ignoring the mass crimes of saddam. Vastly ignoring the mass murder and rape by Shia and Sunni Muslims against the US troops and numerous Muslims. Its about as dumb an argument as you can get from someone who as seen would blame the west for Hitler

Now answer my points or sulk away like the poor regressive that you are

Well you need to go back a year where Israel pulled out of Gaza Mr Tantrum and at no point was any of my history wrong. Nobody mentioned elections.

So your argument is people wanted change?

Yes we saw the same when Nazi Germany came to power.

Oh dear did I just sink your dumb and poorly conceived argument

The hamas charter calls for the destruction of the Jews and Israel, exactly like Nazi Germany and at no point does the recent declaration cancel out this charter

So people may well have voted for hamas, but they voted for a group that wants to commit mass genocide.

Again it has always been the Palestinians that have started and continued the violence against Israel, because they refuse to want or all Jews to have their own nation. Thus the Palestinians themselves are the makers of this continued problem. They could have peace tomorrow if they so wished, and yet they continue to refuse to do so. They had a chance in 1937, and 1947 and numerous times since and you continue to back the fight of those who wish to eliminate the Jews from existence. Yet hamas perpetuates a system of continued hate against Israel and you ignore this. I mean based on that stance and methodology, you mighty as well back the racist view of the KKK who hate black people and do not want to live side b y side by them. As that is effectively what you are saying. That to back this hate over people living in peace.

We stop genocide in East Timor by Indonesia and many Muslims did not like this, this made them see the west as enemies. I mean if you want to capitulate to people wanting to kill us because we stop them committing genocide, then please surrender now to them, as you might as well. As your view clearly is that we fear offending them, because we stand up for human rights. I mean think about that, they are offneded we stop them mass murdering people and for that the Bali bombing happened. That you think we should allow people to be butchered by them, or we will face their wrath. Well bring it on, the day you capitulate to those of hate who commit genocide tells me everything that is wrong with the mind of a regressive as I will always stand up to oppression and those committing hate. As ask yourself why is Gaza without any Jews living there?

As the reality is you are saying its wrong that we ousted the Taliban who murdered countless Muslims and oppressed. That to you its wrong to have ousted Saddam who murdered hundreds of thousands. Like I say if you had been alive with your views back in the 1930's you would have been blaming the west for Hitler and been calling for him to be allowed to walk over thew world. Which sums up the madness of your reasoning.

by Guest Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:07 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:This needs to be listened to again.

Catch you all later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axHR8AOxxkc

Another in your collection?? Good god, man...don't you ever think for yourself?Can't you formulate an argument of your own?

I did think for myself and crushed your argument, as you were emotional and without reason

This is just the icing on the cake

Now go back and counter my points. This will only continue until you do, as I get bored when you avoid my reasons that wipe floor off you. Which is clearly the case as you always run from my damning facts.

Now I shall be back later

Lets hope you can engage your brain for once and answer the points raised

Good luck

by Original Quill Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:10 pm

You just posted that overlong, worthless drivel a couple of posts up. It is as misplaced and erroneous as the last time.

If you want, you can have a standing repeat of your wrongheaded posts...and spend more time at your afternoon tea and cakes.

by Guest Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:11 pm

Original Quill wrote:You just posted that overlong, worthless drivel a couple of posts up. It is as misplaced and erroneous as the last time.

If you want, you can have a standing repeat of your wrongheaded posts...and spend more time at your afternoon tea and cakes.

Then run along if you cannot answer my points, because they are easily too intellectual for you and hence why you keep offering up pitiful excuses.

Off you run then

by Original Quill Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:29 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:You just posted that overlong, worthless drivel a couple of posts up. It is as misplaced and erroneous as the last time.

If you want, you can have a standing repeat of your wrongheaded posts...and spend more time at your afternoon tea and cakes.

Then run along if you cannot answer my points, because they are easily too intellectual for you and hence why you keep offering up pitiful excuses.

Off you run then

Your points and questions are misplaced and trivial. You have some canned pablum that you want to spill, and it's as if you do not engage your brain or join into the conversation.

You seem to view yourself as engaged in a form of cross-examination, but before you take that line a judge will require you to establish relevance: you can't ask questions until you establish foundation. You lose sight of arguments so easily, that you would fail in that objection every time.

by Guest Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:34 pm

Still no answer to my points.

Try again

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