Do the Right know what Churchill thought of Coloureds, Jews, Gassing innocents etc

I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and nazism, I would choose communism.
Speaking in the House of Commons, autumn 1937

I do not understand the squeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisonous gas against uncivilised tribes.
Writing as president of the Air Council, 1919

It is alarming and nauseating to see Mr Gandhi, a seditious Middle Temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organising and conducting a campaign of civil disobedience, to parlay on equal terms with the representative of the Emperor-King.
Commenting on Gandhi's meeting with the Viceroy of India, 1931

(India is) a godless land of snobs and bores.
In a letter to his mother, 1896

I do not admit... that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia... by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race... has come in and taken its place.
Churchill to Palestine Royal Commission, 1937

(We must rally against) a poisoned Russia, an infected Russia of armed hordes not only smiting with bayonet and cannon, but accompanied and preceded by swarms of typhus-bearing vermin.
Quoted in the Boston Review, April/May 2001

"The choice was clearly open: crush them with vain and unstinted force, or try to give them what they want. These were the only alternatives and most people were unprepared for either. Here indeed was the Irish spectre - horrid and inexorcisable.
Writing in The World Crisis and the Aftermath, 1923-31

The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate... I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed.
Churchill to Asquith, 1910

One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."
From his Great Contemporaries, 1937

You are callous people who want to wreck Europe - you do not care about the future of Europe, you have only your own miserable interests in mind.
Addressing the London Polish government at a British Embassy meeting, October 1944

So far as Britain and Russia were concerned, how would it do for you to have 90% of Romania, for us to have 90% of the say in Greece, and go 50/50 about Yugoslavia?
Addressing Stalin in Moscow, October 1944

This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)... this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Writing on 'Zionism versus Bolshevism' in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920



Funnily enough, many so called heros from the past had views that we would despise today.

Yep. On both sides of the spectrum

Actually Churchill did plenty to help the jews and i have already condemned his racism and happy to do so again

Its no surprise sassy never posted a link

I will though.




Revisionism is a long-standing cottage industry where Winston Churchill is concerned, to which Michael J. Cohen, Professor of History Emeritus at Bar-Ilan University, has contributed the contention that Winston Churchill’s support for Jews and Zionism is a myth. He devoted a book to this, Churchill and the Jews (1985, revised edition 2003), which clashes with much that is presented in the late Sir Martin Gilbert’s Churchill and the Jews: A Lifelong Friendship (2007) and Michael Makovsky’s Churchill’s Promised Land: Zionism and Statecraft (2007), all three of which I reviewed in detail for the Jewish Political Studies Review (Spring 2009).

Having contributed a little to the discussion on this subject (twice on the History News Network, here and here) it has been surprising to see Cohen pressing his view in the face of the evidence that emerged in Gilbert and Makovsky’s books. In 2009, he described Gilbert as the mythmaker of Churchill’s pro-Jewish and pro-Zionist reputation in a lengthy article dissecting the latter’s book in the pages of Modern Judaism (May 2006, vol. 26, no. 2). Now, he has reiterated his charges in an opinion piece in the Israeli daily, Haaretz, (“The Truth About Churchill and the Jews,” Jan. 27).

Cohen wrote in the Epilogue of his book on the subject –– and essentially argues in his latest piece –– that there is a “glaring anomaly” between Churchill’s war time expressions of sympathy for the Jews and the “absence, almost, of any practical measures on their behalf.” This strikes me as a false, defective verdict. I would argue that Churchill’s reputation as friend of the Jews and Zionism withstands scrutiny.

Despite some undoubted inconsistencies, the pattern is clear: Churchill admired the Jews, believed they contributed to Britain and Western civilization and sought to support their national aspirations. Cohen’s contrary case is marred by the neglect of important pieces of evidence that have emerged in recent decades, while emphasizing only selected ones of his choice.

Consider the following facts, none of which appear in Cohen’s book or latest piece:

● In January 1939, Churchill urged Albania to accept Jews fleeing Germany and Austria, but promising developments in this regard were abruptly ended by Mussolini’s invasion and occupation of the country the following April.

● As First Lord of the Admiralty (1939-40), Churchill instructed Royal Navy vessels not to intercept ships suspected of bringing illegal Jewish immigrants to Palestine when he discovered that notice of this practice had been withheld from him by officials.

● In February 1942, Churchill argued successfully in the War Cabinet, in the face of opposition from the new Colonial Secretary, Lord Moyne, to release from internment approximately 800 Jewish refugees from the Darien II who had reached Palestine.

● The same year, Churchill overrode Foreign Office objections to a proposal for permitting 5,000 Bulgarian Jewish children passage to Palestine. (The War Cabinet approved, but the move was blocked by German pressure applied on Bulgaria).

● In April 1943, Churchill pressured the Spanish ambassador to have the Franco regime reopen its border to Jewish refugees fleeing the Third Reich, something that occurred within a few days.

● In July 1943, he vigorously opposed in the War Cabinet plans for British naval searches of ships to find illegal Jewish immigrants.

● After the War Cabinet overrode Churchill by deciding to discourage illegal Jewish immigration to Palestine, Churchill devised a policy that bypassed it by permitting all Jews who might arrive in Palestine to stay there. One result was that, in early 1944, 6,000 Jews from Romania and Bessarabia were permitted to proceed to Palestine on British passports.

● In 1943, Churchill succeeded in having the War Cabinet approve continued Jewish immigration to Palestine beyond the 1939 White Paper’s March 1944 cut-off, up to the full limit of the 75,000 permitted by the White Paper. (Due to the Nazi success in cutting off escape route, this quota was not filled until after the War ended).

● In early 1945, he made abortive efforts to create a Jewish state within a larger Arab federation by unsuccessfully seeking to enlist, through among other things financial inducements, the support of Saudi King Saud.

In short, during the war, Churchill sought many avenues to provide refuge for Jews fleeing the Nazis, including in Palestine, and in the teeth of great opposition from virtually all of his officials. It is true that the results of Churchill’s record of persistent, often lone, activism on behalf of Jews and Zionism within the government he headed were relatively meager, but not for want of trying.

Indeed, such was the perception of Churchill’s solicitude for Jews among officials that, on at least two occasions, callous members of his own inner staff withheld from him Jewish requests out of fear that he would respond positively to them.

Some of the charges in Cohen’s latest opinion piece go even further than those he leveled in his book.

For example, Cohen convincingly demonstrated in his book that, while immediately authorizing in July 1944 the aerial bombing of the railway lines leading to Auschwitz, Churchill failed to follow up and ensure his directive was implemented. Now, however, he insists that Churchill also “rejected the bombing project” –– something not borne out by the Churchill letter he cites.

Without doubt, Professor Cohen’s researches on Churchill produced some compelling evidence that attenuate Churchill’s record. But his prosecutorial persistence in advocating his case, despite the contrary evidence that puts paid to it, remains a mystery.


- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/165246#sthash.DKYmgbxR.dpuf

Bless you dodgy one, you really didn't get the point did you? But then, you can be forgiven when you have to opperate under such an overwhelming sense of righteousness. The point was, men can be admired for some things while we don't like other things about them. All heroes have feet of clay in some respects.

Well, as you you don't think that you might just not be lying about how well read you are on history, here's the link:

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21

sassy wrote:Bless you dodgy one, you really didn't get the point did you?   But then, you can be forgiven when you have to opperate under such an overwhelming sense of righteousness.   The point was, men can be admired for some things while we don't like other things about them.   All heroes have feet of clay in some respects.

Well, as you you don't think that you might just not be lying about how well read you are on history, here's the link:

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21

What point?

You really never read or understood the other thread did you?

You need to change the title about Jews

As seen that was easily proven to be your invention

Poor Dodge, can't read either.

sassy wrote:Poor Dodge, can't read either.  

Wow what a counter lol

Sassy has a little Idol of Stalin, she prays to it every night.
Churchill said many things that would not be acceptable in todays PC world, but when this country needed a MAN to stand up to the NAZI'S
HE WAS THERE. wHEN YOU DISRESPECT CHURCHILL, IT SHOWS WHAT A GUTTERSNIPE YOU ARE !!!!!

nicko wrote:Sassy has a little Idol of Stalin, she prays to it every night.
Churchill said many things that would not be acceptable in todays PC world, but when this country needed a MAN to stand up to the NAZI'S
HE WAS THERE.   wHEN YOU DISRESPECT CHURCHILL, IT SHOWS WHAT A GUTTERSNIPE YOU ARE  !!!!!

Don't be a dickhead, that was exactly the point I made. Sheesh nicko, sometimes you need things spelt out in words of one syllable.

Not a Dickhead SAssy, that man saved us from the Nazi's, when others wanted us to surrender. Do you agree?

nicko wrote:Not a Dickhead SAssy, that man saved us from the Nazi's, when others wanted us to surrender.   Do you agree?

Oh for goodness sake, the fact that he did a great job in the war, but held views that today we would find abhorrent WAS THE BLOODY POINT!

nicko wrote:Not a Dickhead SAssy, that man saved us from the Nazi's, when others wanted us to surrender.   Do you agree?

She still has not worked out the double standard yet Nicko

nicko wrote:Sassy has a little Idol of Stalin, she prays to it every night.
Churchill said many things that would not be acceptable in todays PC world, but when this country needed a MAN to stand up to the NAZI'S
HE WAS THERE.   wHEN YOU DISRESPECT CHURCHILL, IT SHOWS WHAT A GUTTERSNIPE YOU ARE  !!!!!

Nobody is questioning the great job Churchill did in leading our country in WW2 Nicko. You really need to read this thread in relation to Didge's Marx thread to get the point being made here. Don't get too angry about it, sheesh.

Eilzel wrote:

nicko wrote:Sassy has a little Idol of Stalin, she prays to it every night.
Churchill said many things that would not be acceptable in todays PC world, but when this country needed a MAN to stand up to the NAZI'S
HE WAS THERE.   wHEN YOU DISRESPECT CHURCHILL, IT SHOWS WHAT A GUTTERSNIPE YOU ARE  !!!!!

Nobody is questioning the great job Churchill did in leading our country in WW2 Nicko. You really need to read this thread in relation to Didge's Marx thread to get the point being made here. Don't get too angry about it, sheesh.

I have not seen anyone downplay Churchill's racism lol, have you?

Thorin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

nicko wrote:Sassy has a little Idol of Stalin, she prays to it every night.
Churchill said many things that would not be acceptable in todays PC world, but when this country needed a MAN to stand up to the NAZI'S
HE WAS THERE.   wHEN YOU DISRESPECT CHURCHILL, IT SHOWS WHAT A GUTTERSNIPE YOU ARE  !!!!!

Nobody is questioning the great job Churchill did in leading our country in WW2 Nicko. You really need to read this thread in relation to Didge's Marx thread to get the point being made here. Don't get too angry about it, sheesh.

I have not seen anyone downplay Churchill's racism lol, have you?

Actually, according to your logic (not mine), Nicko did.

Eilzel wrote:

Thorin wrote:


I have not seen anyone downplay Churchill's racism lol, have you?

Actually, according to your logic (not mine), Nicko did.

You really have your knickers in a twist

never known you to be such a sour grapes ha ha ha

sassy wrote:Bless you dodgy one, you really didn't get the point did you?   But then, you can be forgiven when you have to opperate under such an overwhelming sense of righteousness.   The point was, men can be admired for some things while we don't like other things about them.   All heroes have feet of clay in some respects.

Well, as you you don't think that you might just not be lying about how well read you are on history, here's the link:

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21

I totally agree with that point. Everyone should treat all people this way instead of applying a label then closing off their ears to anything else they might say.

Imagine a debate forum like that?

Thorin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Thorin wrote:


I have not seen anyone downplay Churchill's racism lol, have you?

Actually, according to your logic (not mine), Nicko did.

You really have your knickers in a twist

never known you to be such a sour grapes ha ha ha

To take a phraae from your play book, I'm just 'exposing' your BS argument.

Eilzel wrote:

Thorin wrote:


You really have your knickers in a twist

never known you to be such a sour grapes ha ha ha

To take a phraae from your play book, I'm just 'exposing' your BS argument.

How is it bullshit?

Its up to sassy to pull up Nicko on her thread.

Seriously you really do not like it when shown up for double standards.

You could make wine out of those grapes they are so sour