'Thermo-nuclear war may break out any moment': Kim Jong-Un tells Trump he will detonate a nuke 'whenever he sees fit' as China warns anyone provoking North Korea will 'pay the price'

Fake President Trump's 'troublemaking' and 'aggressive' tweets have pushed the world to the brink of thermo-nuclear war, North Korea warned today.
Pyongyang's Vice Minister Han Song Ryol accused Trump of building up a 'vicious cycle' of tensions and warned the US against provoking North Korea militarily. He said: 'We will go to war if they choose.'
He added the country would continue developing its nuclear program and conduct its next nuclear test whenever its leaders see fit.
In response China warned that war could break out 'at any moment', while the Kremlin today called for 'restraint' as tensions escalate between North Korea and the United States.
Air China flights between Beijing and Pyongyang will be suspended from Monday, according to reports in China.
Han's comments come as tensions rise over the possibility Kim Jong-un's regime will launch another nuclear weapons test tomorrow as North Korea marks the national holiday Day of the Sun, commemorating the birth of the country's founding father Kim Il Sung.
North Korea's military said it would 'ruthlessly ravage' the United States if Washington chose to attack.




http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4411108/North-Korea-hits-Trump-ahead-Day-Sun.html

From one spoilt prat to another.  Why are people like this even given power over the world?

Something interesting is happening in China and perhaps President Trump deserves some credit.

For the first time, the Chinese government appears to have laid down a bottom-line with North Korea and is threatening Pyongyang with a response of “unprecedented ferocity” if the government of Kim Jong Un goes ahead with a test of either an intercontinental ballistic missile or a nuclear device. North Korea will celebrate the 105th anniversary of the birth of its founder, Kim Il Sung, on Saturday, and some type of military show of force is expected.

In an editorial in the semi-official Global Times on Wednesday, Pyongyang was put on notice that it must rein in its nuclear ambitions, or else China’s oil shipments to North Korea could be “severely limited.” It is extraordinary for China to make this kind of threat. For more than a decade, as part of its strategy to prop up one of its only allies, China refused to allow the U.N. Security Council to even consider cutting oil shipments to North Korea. Beijing’s calculus was that the maintenance of the North Korean regime took precedence over everything. Now Beijing seems to be reconsidering its position.

Perhaps even more significantly, on April 5, the Global Times, which is owned by the People’s Daily, the official mouthpiece of the Chinese Communist Party, laid out what it called China’s “bottom line” on the increasingly tense situation on the Korean Peninsula. First, the editorial said “the safety and stability” of China’s northeast must be assured. To that end, the editorial continued, no North Korean nuclear fallout can be allowed to “contaminate” the region. Second, North Korea cannot be allowed to “descend into the kind of turbulence that generates a huge outpouring of refugees,” the editorial said, adding that China will also not allow “a hostile government” in Pyongyang. It concluded by vowing that Beijing would not tolerate a U.S. military push towards the Yalu River.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/04/13/china-is-suddenly-leaning-on-north-korea-and-it-might-be-thanks-to-trump/?utm_term=.d5e4445b26d6

Mr Trump certainly seems to have done a U-turn since he became President. He's attacked Assad's forces, dropped a MOAB, and now he's going for N. Korea.

Let's hope he's not like Greg Stillson.

HoratioTarr wrote:From one spoilt prat to another.  Why are people like this even given power over the world?

All I can think is that if there is a god, he goes by "Kafka."

Raggamuffin wrote:Mr Trump certainly seems to have done a U-turn since he became President. He's attacked Assad's forces, dropped a MOAB, and now he's going for N. Korea.

Let's hope he's not like Greg Stillson.  

Let's not get too excited. Trump dumped a $100-million of ordinance in a cornfield in Syria. All he hit were some older aircraft in mothballs...and he forewarned the other guys, like a polite friend would.

The Big Bertha bomb was dropped in a remote area, and no one knows what happened. It's like calling a lost Mars Rover a big success.

The guy's a phony. A showman. Like his businesses, he wastes a lot of money, to make a big splash...and nothing to show for it.

Thorin wrote:Afghan officials said 36 militants were killed in the strike in Nangarhar province.

And who knows if they are telling the truth?

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:Afghan officials said 36 militants were killed in the strike in Nangarhar province.

And who knows if they are telling the truth?

Why would the Afghan authorities lie over this, when they are up in arms over what they see as their country be used as a testing ground for this weapon?

Please explain that to me?

No, I have to go

Night

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

And who knows if they are telling the truth?

Why would the Afghan authorities lie over this, when they are up in arms over what they see as their country be used as a testing ground for this weapon?

Please explain that to me?

No, I have to go

Night

Um...perhaps because they are unhappy with the US using their country as a testing ground?

I don't blame them.  But it doesn't make for truth.

In the paper, The Hill, a US military spokesperson was quoted discussing the MOAB bomb:

The Hill wrote:“We mean business,” the CENTCOM spokesman said. “President Trump said prior that once he gets in he’s going to kick the S-H-I-T out of the enemy. That was his promise and that’s exactly what we’re doing.”

He added: “Afghanistan has, for a little while, been the forgotten war but there’s a lot of action over there, there’s a lot of dangers. If we’re going to be engaged in a war we’re going to be engaged in a conflict to win, period.”

The CENTCOM spokesman said there are no reported civilian casualties caused by the bomb, which has a blast radius of 1 mile.

“I can guarantee that we on the target assessment made sure that there’s nothing in the area, that it’s pure enemy,” he said.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/328781-why-the-us-dropped-the-mother-of-all-bombs-in-afghanistan

Since Trump has taken office, apparently "shit" and "fuck" and "grab her pussy" are authorized US Military CENTCOM expressions.  We are awaiting word on whether Mother Of  All Cunts (MOAC) will be authorized.

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Why would the Afghan authorities lie over this, when they are up in arms over what they see as their country be used as a testing ground for this weapon?

Please explain that to me?

No, I have to go

Night

Um...perhaps because they are unhappy with the US using their country as a testing ground?

I don't blame them.  But it doesn't make for truth.

Seriously, again you just post up what you think and nothing based on facts, mainly as its your obsession of hate against Trump and Republicanism that has clouded your ability to think and reason. As you were once able to do.


Hey ho

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Um...perhaps because they are unhappy with the US using their country as a testing ground?

I don't blame them.  But it doesn't make for truth.

Seriously, again you just post up what you think and nothing based on facts, mainly as its your obsession of hate against Trump and Republicanism that has clouded your ability to think and reason. As you were once able to do.

Hey ho

I don't feel bad...you hate everyone except Trump. How is that "obsolete" NATO coming along? I hear that "the alliance no longer serves its founding purpose and that it is too costly to the U.S."

There's not much in the way of facts against this bomb.  Have you got anything?

Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

Raggamuffin wrote:Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

I guess when the alternative might be  being strapped into a torture chair with genital clamps and a car battery, you'd be goosestepping your lil heart out.

That fat indulged brat won't back down according to some sources. If he pushes his people too far will they rebel?

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

I guess when the alternative might be  being strapped into a torture chair with genital clamps and a car battery, you'd be goosestepping your lil heart out.

I guess so!

It was a pretty impressive parade - thousands of people marching, and not one of them out of time or out of line. Lots of pink pom-poms made of flowers too.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I guess when the alternative might be  being strapped into a torture chair with genital clamps and a car battery, you'd be goosestepping your lil heart out.

I guess so!

It was a pretty impressive parade - thousands of people marching, and not one of them out of time or out of line. Lots of pink pom-poms made of flowers too.

One has to admire their coordination. Hours upon hours of drilling. You'd think they'd all have better things to do.

Raggamuffin wrote:Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

I know, right? I have the same question. It looks like it jiggles the whole body, I couldn't last 10-yards.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

I know, right?  I have the same question.  It looks like it jiggles the whole body,  I couldn't last 10-yards.

I don't think I could either. They're doing quite a fast, bouncy step - almost as if they're dancing.

The world suddenly seems to be a very precarious place to live, I actually fear for my son and grand childrens future more than I ever have in the past.

Raggamuffin wrote:Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

I kept thinking "Nuremberg 1930s..."

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

I kept thinking "Nuremberg 1930s..."

Well yes - it did prompt me to do some research on the Nuremberg rallies. I guess a lot of countries have goose-stepping parades though.

I must say a lot of the military stuff looked quite old and conventional, except some of the rockets - I'm not an expert though.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well N Korea hasn't tested a bomb yet. They had a big parade though. How do people keep up that goose-stepping? Isn't it exhausting?

I know, right?  I have the same question.  It looks like it jiggles the whole body,  I couldn't last 10-yards.

I don't think I could either.  They're doing quite a fast, bouncy step - almost as if they're dancing.

Yeah I watched some of that this morning. That army looked hardcore.

The USA is clearly the aggressor here as North Korea hasn't changed at all but Trump has sent war ships toward it (and China)

http://thecomingwarmovie.com/
This documentary is on this evening down here but from the Ads it seems very accurate.

veya_victaous wrote:The USA is clearly the aggressor here as North Korea hasn't changed at all but Trump has sent war ships toward it (and China)

http://thecomingwarmovie.com/
This documentary is on this evening down here but from the Ads it seems very accurate.

There is a ban on Nuclear weapons testing.

They agreed to never develop Nuclear weapons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework

North Korea, continues to tell the world to fuck off on this.

Japan and South Korea have continually felt threatened by North Korea, as its run by despots and not people of reason.

To even claim the US as the aggressor, is blatantly failing to even grasp the severity of nukes in the hands of Despots.

Trump is most definitely dangerous and far more worried about his image than anything. The Dictator of North Korea however.Is in a different level all to himself based off the danger they represent to the World with hate and violence.

You don't need to watch a documentary to understand the dangers and issues here

China has even stated, what they have not before to North Korea. To toe the line, of there will a forced removal of the North Korean leadership.


Catch you later Veya

They tried to test some kind of missile, but it exploded shortly after launch.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/16/north-korea-missile-launch-attempt-says-south-korea-kim-jong-un

Raggamuffin wrote:They tried to test some kind of missile, but it exploded shortly after launch.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/16/north-korea-missile-launch-attempt-says-south-korea-kim-jong-un

Shame it didn't land on the obnoxious little blow fish.

Nuclear weapons are not what bothers the US. The North Koreans only have enough nuclear material for 12 or 13 weapons, according to MSNBC.  Just as with Iran, the worry is the delivery systems.

Since the administration of GWB, North Korea has tested nuclear explosions, and it didn't seem to bother US administrations.  The provocation this time, as before, are the rockets.

HoratioTarr wrote:That fat indulged brat won't back down according to some sources.    If he pushes his people too far will they rebel?

Which one? Trump or Kim Jong-Un?

Raggamuffin wrote:They tried to test some kind of missile, but it exploded shortly after launch.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/16/north-korea-missile-launch-attempt-says-south-korea-kim-jong-un

I bet some poor sod paid with his life for this humiliation to the ugly madman.

A few stories emerging that US Military intelligence hacked ito the weapons systems , causing the failure.
I would imagine the US do have such technology.
On the other hand, NK could deliberately fail the test, knowing they can never go head to head with theUS and come out with anything less than NK raised to the ground.
It could be a way of easing back on the throttle.

Angry Andy wrote:A few stories emerging that US Military intelligence hacked ito the weapons systems , causing the failure.
I would imagine the US do have such technology.
On the other hand, NK could deliberately fail the test, knowing they can never go head to head with theUS and come out with anything less than NK raised to the ground.
It could be a way of easing back on the throttle.

Or, a third scenario, the North Koreans use Chinese manufacturers for their switches, relays, microchips, motherboards, etc. Tell me that doesn't pose opportunities.

Thorin wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:The USA is clearly the aggressor here as North Korea hasn't changed at all but Trump has sent war ships toward it (and China)

http://thecomingwarmovie.com/
This documentary is on this evening down here but from the Ads it seems very accurate.

There is a ban on Nuclear weapons testing.

They agreed to never develop Nuclear weapons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreed_Framework

North Korea, continues to tell the world to fuck off on this.

Japan and South Korea have continually felt threatened by North Korea, as its run by despots and not people of reason.

To even claim the US as the aggressor, is blatantly failing to even grasp the severity of nukes in the hands of Despots.

Trump is most definitely dangerous and far more worried about his image than anything. The Dictator of North Korea however.Is in a different level all to himself based off the danger they represent to the World with hate and violence.

You don't need to watch a documentary to understand the dangers and issues here

China has even stated, what they have not before to North Korea. To toe the line, of there will a forced removal of the North Korean leadership.


Catch you later Veya

The pact was neither a treaty subject to Senate approval nor a legally binding executive agreement, but a non-binding political commitment between the two countries noted by the United Nations Security Council.[9] It was signed in the wake of North Korea's 90-day advance notification of its intended withdrawal from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (which North Korea "suspended" after 89 days), a U.S. military buildup near the country, and U.S. plans to bomb the active Yongbyon nuclear reactor.[10]

The U.S. regarded the Agreed Framework primarily as a non-proliferation agreement, whereas North Korea placed greater value on measures normalizing relations with the U.S

Clearly the USA is being the aggressor in Asia, it does not belong here but keeps sticking it's nose in to try and prevent the rise of China,
And China has said that because they don't want the USA using NK as an excuse to have a fleet in Chinese waters.

The USA has been expanding it's bases all over Asia Including Australia, since it cannot contain China economically it is obviously positioning it's self to do so militarily. the USA is the one itching to start a war.

"China ... matched America at its own great game of capitalism, and that is unforgivable," Pilger says. The journalist uncovers a secret message that was sent by Mao Zedong to Washington five years before the communist revolution of 1949. "China must industrialize right now, this can only be done by free enterprise. Chinese and American interests fit together economically and politically. America need not fear that we will not be cooperative – we cannot risk crossing America, we cannot risk any conflict," Pilger cites Mao's message as saying.

But the Chinese leader got no reply, and his "reaching hand was tossed away," as Bradley put it.
'Smartest weapons need enemies, money is the prize'

The film suggests that a "stereotype of communist dictatorship" is widely spread by the US, preventing from understanding "China as it is."

"In America you can change political parties but you cannot change the policies. In China you cannot change the party, but you can change policies ... China is a vibrant market economy, but it is not a capitalist country," entrepreneur and social scientist, Eric Li says. He adds that in China, "capital does not rise above political authority," and there is no way a group of super rich people can control the politburo, "as billionaires control America's policy making."

https://www.rt.com/news/369904-china-us-war-pilger/

Poor argument.

So you say countries cannot assist others when they face real and genuine threats and to protect them, is to you an act of aggression.

Try again

I tend to agree with you veya, the Trump administration is the one making all the noise.  What N. Korea does on its own territory and in open waters is its own business.

Of course they are poking the US in the eye, but it is Trump who makes a big deal of it.  But now, after the latest failed missile test, it appears that the Trump administration has learned from Dr. Obama to simply not comment.  Smart.

A lot of hostility is within oneself.  Conservatives seem unable to learn that.  Whatever someone else does, unless they actually hit you you don't need to react.  As Eleanor Roosevelt said, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.”  The same goes for anger or upset.

That lot are still mouthing off at each other - at least I hope that's all they're doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/17/north-korea-war-break-out-any-moment-donald-trump-v

Thorin wrote:Poor argument.

So you say countries cannot assist others when they face real and genuine threats and to protect them, is to you an act of aggression.

Try again

LOL
yeah like the USA protected the Marshall Islands

The USA military bases are having a detrimental effect on the locals
Even down here Local don't want it but their expansion is being forced upon us

In Okinawa They are in open protest electing the local representative on the sole platform of stopping the USA military expansion on the island

Everyone effected Knows the truth the USA is not protecting us as all!!!
it is all for it's own interests and nothing else

And protected from What
Korea? I don't think so
they want to 'protect us' from China, but China is better to us than the USA
they just want to maintain Economic dominance but they have been outsmarted by China so now are preparing to resort to force.

The main base is the Ronald Reagan Missile Defence Test Site, also known as RTS.

It is populated by hundreds of US workers and their families, who enjoy a small-town American lifestyle.

Across the bay from RTS is a mile long island, Ebeye.

It is also known as the 'Slum of the Pacific'.

It has a population of over 12,000.

Many are refugees from the islands under US control, others who have escaped islands poisoned by the experiments.

They have running water 45 minutes a week, the only affordable food is processed. Even fruit and vegetables have to be imported to the tropical island.

They have the highest rate of diabetes in the world.

Every morning people from Ebeye are ferried to the missile base to clean swimming pools, maintain the gardens and water the golf course. They are returned to Ebeye in the evening.

In his documentary, John Pilger calls this 'Apartheid in the Pacific'.

You need to try again since you seem to have fallen for propaganda hook line and sinker

So the above has nothing to do with North Korea and China

The rest was just left wing propaganda 

Show me the evidence

Try again

Thorin wrote:So the above has nothing to do with North Korea and China

The rest was just left wing propaganda 

Show me the evidence

Try again

See this is where you are Subconsciously Racist in your attitude that because the USA is White they are better for us than Chinese leadership.

I have said years ago on this forum
Britain Took all the cream and most the milk
the USA took all the cream and left the milk
And China is leaving us All the milk and some of the cream

The reality is China treats us Better, and the USA wants to start a war with China, Trump literally ran on the policy of trying to "contain China".. But China isn't the one with military bases across the globe and on the USA doorstep. China hasn't forced us into Unfair trade deals, china hasn't tried to crush local our local culture and swamp it with USA Cultural influence.

Let alone look at the improvement in the lives of the Chinese people, half a billion people lifted out o f poverty into a thriving middle class, while in the USA the middle class is being pushed closer and closer to poverty.

AND You show some evidence that Trump is any less despotic than Kim
the liar ran on a policy on being less interventionist than Obama, yet nothing has changed in NK compared to when Obama was in power an Obama never sent a war fleet to china's door

1) Gibberish again, as it is born from multiculturalism. As usual you throw in a charged of racism as misdirection which has nothing to do with the debate.

2) The above shows nothing that the US has been the aggresor with China and North Korea and in fact the former two instigated the original Korean war. Which If the US had not have intervene millions more would be subject to persecution under a dictator. As the North Koreans are today.

3) Again the North Koreans have constantly violated agreements on Nuke weapons and have constantly threatened to use them against South Korea, Japan and the US.

Hence why your argument was moot from the start

"China you may not change the party but at least you change the policies,
In the US you can change the party but it never changes it policies "

NK may be despotic but it was doing it in it's own territory. And it is merely a side show in the greater movements of the USA to antagonize China, (again Has NK suddenly gotten worse? No, if anything it has been Quieter than in years)

Just once again China has outsmarted it. and turned the game on it's head. Now China is coming over as the reasonable one seeking a non violent solution, calling far calmer head and mutual discussions and considerations.

China is turning the US Allies in Asia towards China through trade, mutual respect and much diminished ambitions for global domination. something that US vassals states have had to live with for a long time. The Chinese Attitude is refreshing. They don't want Complete dominion just the respect they deserve (ACTUALLY being one of the longest ruining and founding regions of humanity) the USA's attitude has always been toward causing fear as a means of commanding respect. the War fleet on Rout is Case in point

It has everything to do with this debate.

BY in large Asia doesn't want the USA war fleets here. We don't see the need or justice in another group of Rich white men Coming across the ocean to a continent they do not reside in to 'contain' a peoples merely seeking their own prosperity.

to Paint as a threat those that would raise their Peoples out of Poverty

So you present zero evidence that the US is the aggressor with North Korea

Try again