Brexit Makes Gibraltar’s Future Uncertain As EU Negotiating Position Gives Spain Veto

by Guest Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:45 am

Brexit could threaten Gibraltar’s future as a British overseas territory, as the EU has said it would give Spain a veto on how any deal would apply to the territory. Known as “the rock”, Gibraltar is home to 30,000 people. Though it is off southern Spain, it has been British for more than 300 years, and arguments over its status have caused tensions between the two countries.

The residents, who are British citizens, voted 96% Remain in the June referendum.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-gibraltar-eu-negotiation_uk_58dea8aae4b0b3918c8340dd?jlk&utm_hp_ref=uk

by nicko Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:12 am

Send a Gunboat !

by Guest Sat Apr 01, 2017 9:20 am

nicko wrote:Send a Gunboat !

This could very much escalate Nicko

Seems like the EU is ganging up on the UK

Like I said before, the Uk is now in a far weaker position.

by veya_victaous Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:13 am

Um Uk versus all of Europe ?

Razz

You'll need more than a Gunboat

by veya_victaous Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:16 am

Plus self Determination
they voted to be part of the EU Cause they are not stupid

by Tommy Monk Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:51 am

See how the eu is again being part of the problem...!?

Gibraltar is part of the uk and is leaving the eu on exactly the same terms as every other part of the uk.

Spain has no more say over Gibraltar than Morocco has over the canary islands!!!

by 'Wolfie Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:43 pm

Brexit Makes Gibraltar’s Future Uncertain As EU Negotiating Position Gives Spain Veto 3755771736

East Timor split away from Indonesia...
And East Timor has oil.. What does Gibraltar have to offer ?

On the other hand, Chechnya wants to break away from Russia; but Russia won't let it go..

Giving the residents of Gibraltar a referendum -- Stay in the UK, or become part of Spain -- might prove to be a 'softer' option than going to war against Spain.. Brexit Makes Gibraltar’s Future Uncertain As EU Negotiating Position Gives Spain Veto 3068147984

Brexit Makes Gibraltar’s Future Uncertain As EU Negotiating Position Gives Spain Veto 3068147984

by Tommy Monk Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:25 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum,_2002

by veya_victaous Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:51 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

See how the eu is again being part of the problem...!?

Gibraltar is part of the uk and is leaving the eu on exactly the same terms as every other part of the uk.

Spain has no more say over Gibraltar than Morocco has over the canary islands!!!

Actually it seems that the English are the problem as per usual

You think because you have oppressed all these others for so long they have to do what you say when you out vote them (obviously since they have less population) 98% voted stay in EU in Gibraltar.

I think it is time the EU just over threw the English Rolling Eyes

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:08 am

Wrong again... Gibraltar is part of the uk and the uk voted to leave the eu...

Although gibraltar has had a referendum back in 2002 on whether they want Spain to have sovereignty over them and they voted almost 100% saying NO!!!

They want to be British... and Britain voted to leave the eu.

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:39 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Wrong again... Gibraltar is part of the uk and the uk voted to leave the eu...

Although gibraltar has had a referendum back in 2002 on whether they want Spain to have sovereignty over them and they voted almost 100% saying NO!!!

They want to be British... and Britain voted to leave the eu.

What if they now do not want to be be British and become independent, when the majority voted to remain in the EU?

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:46 am

The uk as a whole voted to leave the eu.

They are in the uk.

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:47 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

The uk as a whole voted to leave the eu.

They are in the uk.

And like Scotland can hold a referendum to leave

You do back self determination do you not, especially after such a divorce?

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:10 pm

Scotland just had a referendum on being part of uk or not... and had a clear majority result to remain in the uk...

Gibraltar had a referendum on their sovereignty back in 2002 and voted almost 100% to stay British only.

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Scotland just had a referendum on being part of uk or not... and had a clear majority result to remain in the uk...

Gibraltar had a referendum on their sovereignty back in 2092 and voted almost 100% to stay British only.

in 2092?

Did they have a Tardis Tommy?

lol!

The 2002 vote is now 15 years old and there is a whole mass of the next generation of voters.

So are you against self determination?

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:17 pm

2002 dodge...

You can't keep having referendums every few years dodge...

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:19 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
2002 dodge...

You can't keep having referendums every few years dodge...

It was 15 years ago, that means miles more people are now of a voting age, than then and now some are dead that voting then.

That is a reasonable time to hold a referendum or for Gibraltar to remain British but still within the EU.

So again are you against self determination

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:24 pm

You can't keep having referendums on sovereignty every few years dodge...

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You can't keep having referendums on sovereignty every few years dodge...

Its near a generation later, with 15 years and who are you to decide the fate of people where you do not live?

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:28 pm

Gibraltar is British and the people there voted 97% in favour of keeping it that way back in 2002... I think that's pretty conclusive...

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Gibraltar is British and the people there voted 97% in favour of keeping it that way back in 2002... I think that's pretty conclusive...

That does not mean they can not vote again.
You are denying people who were not old enough to vote back then, now have a say in their future.
Its not down to you to decide but for the people of Gibraltar.

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:46 pm

'Denying people'... dry your eyes mate...!

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:49 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

'Denying people'... dry your eyes mate...!

My eyes are fine, so you are wishing to force your views on people miles from the UK

Thanks for the honesty, that you simple do not care about others but yourself.

Cool

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:52 pm

The eu was forced on them as they never got a vote on it back in 1975...

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

The eu was forced on them as they never got a vote on it back in 1975...

But as seen by the referendum on the EU, they want to be a part of the EU.

So again you are forcing your views onto the People of Gibraltar, going against their wishes.

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:59 pm

No... they voted as part of the whole of the uk... the UK as a whole voted by nearly 2 million to leave the eu... there are only 30000 in Gibraltar...

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No... they voted as part of the whole of the uk... the UK as a whole voted by nearly 2 million to leave the eu... there are only 30000 in Gibraltar...

And now they can then vote to leave, based on self determination or asked to remain part of the EU.

And those 30,000 have every right to a say in their future.

Its not down to you.

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:15 pm

They have already voted 97% in favour of being in uk and uk having sovereignty.

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:17 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

They have already voted 97% in favour of being in uk and uk having sovereignty.

That was 15 years ago, of which now many of people who could not vote then, can vote now.

You are just regurgitating the same gibberish and denying people self determination

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:26 pm

97% in favour of uk sovereignty is conclusive!!!

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:97% in favour of uk sovereignty is conclusive!!!

Circular fallacy argument

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:31 pm

Facts dodge...

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:34 pm

What facts?

That you seem to think a referendum 15 years ago should deny people a say in their future, where many of them never got the chance to vote. Where they did vote recently, they overwhelmingly voted to remain in the EU. That is cause to hold a second referendum with self determination or for Gibraltar to remain British but within the EU.

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 1:54 pm

No its not... as never did they get to vote on any of the eu treaties before.

And 15 years ago they voted overwhelmingly in favour of the uk sovereignty.

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 2:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No its not... as never did they get to vote on any of the eu treaties before.

And 15 years ago they voted overwhelmingly in favour of the uk sovereignty.

They just did in the latest referendum, by voting overwhelmingly to be within the EU

Doh

PMSL

15 years ago is a very long time, considering now many people who were unable to vote, now can

Again you are denying the self determination of the people of Gibraltar.

Its up to them to decide, not you having your selfish vies forced on them

Anyway, as i said you are just continuing to spam the same gibberish

So have the last say, all it proves is you are forcing your views on the people of Gibraltar.

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:09 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:No its not... as never did they get to vote on any of the eu treaties before.

And 15 years ago they voted overwhelmingly in favour of the uk sovereignty.

They just did in the latest referendum, by voting overwhelmingly to be within the EU

Doh

PMSL

15 years ago is a very long time, considering now many people who were unable to vote, now can

Again you are denying the self determination of the people of Gibraltar.

Its up to them to decide, not you having your selfish vies forced on them

Anyway, as i said you are just continuing to spam the same gibberish

So have the last say, all it proves is you are forcing your views on the people of Gibraltar.

Didge... they participated in the uk referendum on eu membership... the UK as a whole decided to leave the eu!

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

They just did in the latest referendum, by voting overwhelmingly to be within the EU

Doh

PMSL

15 years ago is a very long time, considering now many people who were unable to vote, now can

Again you are denying the self determination of the people of Gibraltar.

Its up to them to decide, not you having your selfish vies forced on them

Anyway, as i said you are just continuing to spam the same gibberish

So have the last say, all it proves is you are forcing your views on the people of Gibraltar.

Didge... they participated in the uk referendum on eu membership... the UK as a whole decided to leave the eu!

Its Thorin and you are just regurgitating the same drivel, denying people self determination

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:25 pm

What about those in Gibraltar who voted to leave the eu...!?

Are they to be held hostage by the tyranny of the najority there...!?

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:27 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

What about those in Gibraltar who voted to leave the eu...!?

Are they to be held hostage by the tyranny of the najority there...!?

You mean all 4% of them?

They have a say also going forward in a referendum or if Gibraltar is allowed to stay within the EU

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:30 pm

They all voted in eu referendum as a uk wide vote, and decision was uk based.

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:32 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:They all voted in eu referendum as a uk wide vote, and decision was uk based.

So you are again saying they cannot have self determination.

If they hypothetically vote on self determination, which they have a right to, then the matter is settled.

You have no right to decide the fate of people that is detached by miles from the rest of the UK

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:31 pm

Gibraltar is part of the UK... and the UK is leaving the eu political dictatorship...!

by Guest Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:34 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Gibraltar is part of the UK... and the UK is leaving the eu political dictatorship...!

You are just repeating yourself again and denying self determination.

by veya_victaous Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:54 am

Tommy Monk wrote:No... they voted as part of the whole of the uk... the UK as a whole voted by nearly 2 million to leave the eu... there are only 30000 in Gibraltar...

Yes But the English out number everyone else and only the English and welsh voted to leave. So the Whole They re part of the Uk is not even relevant, The UK was part of the EU and now your not so they can just as easily say they were part of the Uk and now they're not.
Rolling Eyes

Get it through YOUR head they want to leave the ENGLISH dictatorship. and would prefer to part of the EU.

by 'Wolfie Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:24 am

TOMMY is also ignoring the salient fact that Britain took the Rock of Gibraltar by force a few hundred years ago...

Their claim to "title" over Gibraltar is just as shaky as watching some people still claiming that the UK has some kind of dominion over former colonies such as Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, (including some old diehard "monarchists" right here in Oz).

I've even seen a couple of nongs on here over this past year, seriously claiming that Britain still "owns" Australia and New Zealand !

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:24 am

Yawn...

by nicko Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:49 pm

And wolfie gets another green, I wonder who gave it?

Could it,-----could it------be Veya?

by veya_victaous Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:55 am

nope, I can give him another If you want Cool

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