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Tommy Monk wrote:Maybe you should look up Strasser/Strasserism...

Tommy Monk wrote:I've already posted about Strasser on this thread...


You claimed that the socialists were killed... but it turns out it was mostly Brownshirts,  and Strasser and some of his supporters, and some conservatives... and you claimed that 'longknives' proves Hitler was 'far right' when it does not such thing...!



So you were wrong!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Waffle dodge...


It was the thuggish Brownshirts and the hardliners Strasser a and Co who were removed... Strasser also had communist affiliations/leanings.

Tommy Monk wrote:The Brownshirts were paramilitary thugs and deeply unpopular with the people... and who were demanding control of the army.

Strasser was a hard line nazi with communist affiliations/leanings... he and his followers were a threat to splitting the party.


But you claim these people were 'socialists' and 'the left'...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:We're the Brownshirts the socialist/left...?


Or was Strasser and Co the socialist/left...?


Or were the conservative (right) the socialist/left...?

Tommy Monk wrote:
So you ARE saying that the thuggish paramilitary Brownshirts were the socialist/left...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

But most of those killed in 'longknives' were Brownshirt paramilitary thugs...!


So how does this prove in any way that Hitler was 'far right'...!?


Why don't you just admit that you are wrong in claiming that 'longknives' was about eliminating the socialst/left of the Nazi Party...!?


:

• Anti-specific religions (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-racial separation (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-civil rights for minorities (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-establishment (left-wing, against the elite; but right-wing, against the protections of the state; and right-wing, in practice the NAZIs became despotic tyrants who used the full power of the state)
  
  
  
• Anti-homosexual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-abortion (right-wing, authoritative)
  
  
  
• Anti-intellectual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-immigration (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-social programs for their “nationals” AKA their in-group (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Pro-nativist worker (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Anti-Capitalism on paper (left-wing, against capitalism and toward socialism for the in-group on paper; right-wing, were capitalists with a strict hierarchy in practice.)
  
  
  

Tommy Monk wrote:So out of a million socialist/left paramilitary thugs, only 77 were killed... hardly an example of Hitler wiping out all the socialist/left...


Why don't you just admit that 'longknives' does not prove Hitler was 'far right' but more just a result of power struggle between the socialist/left...!?

Most of what people cite to attempt to show Hitler was “left-wing” or “a socialist” comes from the NAZI’s early 1920’s platform, which was written before Hitler rose to power in the party’s Nationalist wing! Simply, the nationalists were in a party with some socialists (Strasserists) at one point, but that doesn’t make the nationalist fascism left, liberal, or socialist. Fascism is a right-wing (authoritative and small group focused) ideology.
Consider some main aspects of fascism are:

• Anti-specific religions (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-racial separation (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-civil rights for minorities (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-establishment (left-wing, against the elite; but right-wing, against the protections of the state; and right-wing, in practice the NAZIs became despotic tyrants who used the full power of the state)
  
  
  
• Anti-homosexual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-abortion (right-wing, authoritative)
  
  
  
• Anti-intellectual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-immigration (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-social programs for their “nationals” AKA their in-group (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Pro-nativist worker (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Anti-Capitalism on paper (left-wing, against capitalism and toward socialism for the in-group on paper; right-wing, were capitalists with a strict hierarchy in practice.)
  
  
  

In short, just based on general reason, not much about the NAZI’s fascism is left-wing (not much liberty and/or equality going on here). Sure, on paper in the 1920’s they were to the left of a Monarchy with the help of the Strasserists). But the militant WWII era (Sep 1, 1939 – Sep 2, 1945) NAZI fascism is mostly right-wing, despite its quasi-socialist roots.

This exclusive in-group nativist, nationalist, xenophobic, and at times militant ideology is what we call in modern language “right-wing”, and it is not an ideology of liberty and equality, it is an ideology of authority and inequality, it is not liberalism.

Tommy Monk wrote:Your argument over 'longknives' is unfounded.

Most of what people cite to attempt to show Hitler was “left-wing” or “a socialist” comes from the NAZI’s early 1920’s platform, which was written before Hitler rose to power in the party’s Nationalist wing! Simply, the nationalists were in a party with some socialists (Strasserists) at one point, but that doesn’t make the nationalist fascism left, liberal, or socialist. Fascism is a right-wing (authoritative and small group focused) ideology.
Consider some main aspects of fascism are:

• Anti-specific religions (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-racial separation (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-civil rights for minorities (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-establishment (left-wing, against the elite; but right-wing, against the protections of the state; and right-wing, in practice the NAZIs became despotic tyrants who used the full power of the state)
  
  
  
• Anti-homosexual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-abortion (right-wing, authoritative)
  
  
  
• Anti-intellectual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-immigration (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-social programs for their “nationals” AKA their in-group (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Pro-nativist worker (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Anti-Capitalism on paper (left-wing, against capitalism and toward socialism for the in-group on paper; right-wing, were capitalists with a strict hierarchy in practice.)
  
  
  

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In short, just based on general reason, not much about the NAZI’s fascism is left-wing (not much liberty and/or equality going on here). Sure, on paper in the 1920’s they were to the left of a Monarchy with the help of the Strasserists). But the militant WWII era (Sep 1, 1939 – Sep 2, 1945) NAZI fascism is mostly right-wing, despite its quasi-socialist roots.

This exclusive in-group nativist, nationalist, xenophobic, and at times militant ideology is what we call in modern language “right-wing”, and it is not an ideology of liberty and equality, it is an ideology of authority and inequality, it is not liberalism.





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Tommy Monk wrote:Your claim that 'longknives' proves Hitler was 'far right' is unfounded.


You need to admit this first, before we start moving on to your next claim/question in your above post.

Most of what people cite to attempt to show Hitler was “left-wing” or “a socialist” comes from the NAZI’s early 1920’s platform, which was written before Hitler rose to power in the party’s Nationalist wing! Simply, the nationalists were in a party with some socialists (Strasserists) at one point, but that doesn’t make the nationalist fascism left, liberal, or socialist. Fascism is a right-wing (authoritative and small group focused) ideology.
Consider some main aspects of fascism are:

• Anti-specific religions (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-racial separation (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-civil rights for minorities (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-establishment (left-wing, against the elite; but right-wing, against the protections of the state; and right-wing, in practice the NAZIs became despotic tyrants who used the full power of the state)
  
  
  
• Anti-homosexual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-abortion (right-wing, authoritative)
  
  
  
• Anti-intellectual (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Anti-immigration (right-wing, exclusively focused on a small group)
  
  
  
• Pro-social programs for their “nationals” AKA their in-group (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Pro-nativist worker (left-wing, for social programs for a collective; right-wing exclusively focused on a small group).
  
  
  
• Anti-Capitalism on paper (left-wing, against capitalism and toward socialism for the in-group on paper; right-wing, were capitalists with a strict hierarchy in practice.)
  
  
  

In short, just based on general reason, not much about the NAZI’s fascism is left-wing (not much liberty and/or equality going on here). Sure, on paper in the 1920’s they were to the left of a Monarchy with the help of the Strasserists). But the militant WWII era (Sep 1, 1939 – Sep 2, 1945) NAZI fascism is mostly right-wing, despite its quasi-socialist roots.

This exclusive in-group nativist, nationalist, xenophobic, and at times militant ideology is what we call in modern language “right-wing”, and it is not an ideology of liberty and equality, it is an ideology of authority and inequality, it is not liberalism.