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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:54 pm


Man jailed for 'horror' hammer attack on police. A man has been jailed for life after he attacked two police officers with a hammer. Jamshid Piruz, 35, lashed out at constables Jessica Chick and Stuart Young with a claw hammer during a break-in on January 7, 2016.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/01/14/man-jailed-for-horror-hammer-attack-on-police-6380766/


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Piruz was previously jailed in the Netherlands for killing a woman.



What was this twat even doing here in the country...!!!???


Eu free movement rules no doubt...


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Post by eddie Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:58 pm

How do stop people from travelling where they want to though? He had served his time.
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Post by Victorismyhero Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:09 pm

SIMPLE...we institute a visa system like the states...and NO-ONE with a criminal record gets one....
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Post by eddie Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:26 pm

Okay...but some criminals do change. Will you stop them travelling forever?
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Post by Victorismyhero Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:39 pm

yes...

at least those convicted of a certain level of crime and above

those below face a 5-30 year ban, depending on the level of crime they were convicted for...
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Post by Victorismyhero Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:40 pm

we have quite sufficient criminals of our own thank you...we dont NEED to import any more....
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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:41 pm

We should never allow foreign criminals convicted of serious crimes entry to our country.
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Post by eddie Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:45 pm

Okay I'm trying to be fair, play devils advocate and also for you to convince me.

If a man murdered his mum, due to drink, drugs, depression and served his time then comes out, gets a job and gets married, has kids etc....can he go on a family holiday?
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Post by Victorismyhero Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:50 pm

No...some things have "consequences attached....murder...regardless of "excuse" is one of those things
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Post by Victorismyhero Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:50 pm

As it stands he couldnt go on holiday to the states...
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Post by eddie Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:54 pm

So you're saying that once you've committed a violent crime and served time, you should never be allowed to travel again?
I don't think that's fair.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:33 pm



Being allowed entry into another country is a privilege... granted by that country on their terms and conditions, and at their discretion... it is not a 'right'...


Preventing foreign criminals from being allowed entry to our country is about protecting our citizens and about our national security... it is not about punishing the foreign criminals (who I, quite frankly, couldn't give the slightest toss about!)...


I wouldn't even want this twat being allowed into our country for a day trip... but as eu free movement rules stand, he can come and go as he pleases, and stay and live here as long as he likes... as can countless numbers of other dangerous eu foreigners...


Try telling the parents of Alice Gross that it wouldn't be fair on foreign convicted murderers to bar them entry to our country...!


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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:17 pm

eddie wrote:So you're saying that once you've committed a violent crime and served time, you should never be allowed to travel again?
I don't think that's fair.



Someone being allowed to travel by their home country is one thing... but it should be up to the country they want to travel to as to whether they decide to allow them entry or not!


And we as a country should not be allowing entry here to any foreign criminals!


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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 15, 2017 4:32 am

Pulling up one or two examples of a policy gone wrong doesn't mean the whole policy should be scrapped.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:56 am

There are plenty of reasons why we want an end to eu free movement...


How many examples do you need...?
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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:56 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:There are plenty of reasons why we want an end to eu free movement...


How many examples do you need...?

You cherry-pick stories like this to further your own agenda. You never point out free movement's success stories.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:19 pm

Without free movement we can have success story's while preventing the horror story's...!

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Post by eddie Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:20 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Without free movement we can have success story's while preventing the horror story's...!


So once a criminal always a criminal, then?
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:35 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Without free movement we can have success story's while preventing the horror story's...!


So once a criminal always a criminal, then?


A country should be able to vet/refuse entry to serious/violent/dangerous convicted foreign criminals!
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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Without free movement we can have success story's while preventing the horror story's...!


You know you can't have one without the other. If you get rid of free movement, you place a barrier in front of the success stories and the horror stories just the same. You have to decide if one makes the other intolerable.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:09 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Without free movement we can have success story's while preventing the horror story's...!


You know you can't have one without the other. If you get rid of free movement, you place a barrier in front of the success stories and the horror stories just the same. You have to decide if one makes the other intolerable.


We can still have plenty of success story's while trying to prevent horror story's...
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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:47 pm

soBen are you saying America has no "success stories" then...being as how YOU have a visa system.....
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Post by veya_victaous Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:28 pm

eddie wrote:Okay I'm trying to be fair, play devils advocate and also for you to convince me.

If a man murdered his mum, due to drink, drugs, depression and served his time then comes out, gets a job and gets married, has kids etc....can he go on a family holiday?

the answer in the case of the USA is no.

I am pretty sure you'd be denied a visa here too. ours is a little less black and white and there is an appeal process etc but generally I think it would be no
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Post by veya_victaous Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:37 pm

Where the UK EU is wrong is that all the EU members are still treating each other like separate nations instead of being states in the one union. SO it means there is not controls over entry into the EU which there probably should be.
they just did it wrong, took away and stopped paying for border control instead of just redirecting those funds to the EU border, this is probably due to the hillshepehrds whining over sending fund to the EU.. I'm pretty sure the likes of 'Britain first' have cut off their nose to spite their face with their total devotion to hillshepherd politics. they couldn't accept poles or bankrolling the Greek(etc) border crossings, so now they have anyone that want to cross the border.
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