British rivers stripped of fish by East European poachers

British rivers stripped of fish by East European poachers

FEARS that Eastern European poachers are decimating Britain’s freshwater fish stocks have forced conservationists to start a nationwide poster campaign – in five languages.

Fishing in rivers, canals and some lakes is illegal during the close season to allow the fish to breed. But experts say migrants are eating and selling catches, including those pregnant, instead of returning them to the water.

The Angling Trust is so concerned about the diminishing numbers of salmon, trout, barbel, pike, bream, carp and eel, it has printed details of the ban in Polish, Romanian, Lithuanian, Slovakian and English.

Kent councillor Tony Harwood yesterday said serious damage was being done to eel and trout stocks near his home in Maidstone to satisfy the migrants’ love of smoked fish.



Conservationists have warned the number of wild salmon in the River Wye has plummeted by 57 per cent.

Now the Angling Trust voluntary bailiff service has launched Operation Clamp Down with the Environment Agency to target illegal angling during the coarse fishing close season.

Martin Salter, of the Angling Trust, said: “Fishing for coarse fish between March 15 and June 15 on rivers and some still waters and canals is illegal.”

Fishing out of season carries a maximum penalty of £50,000.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/386379/British-rivers-stripped-of-fish-by-East-European-poachers


Is it me, or does this sound like a load of codswallop?

No eddie it's true, I was fishing a local lake a couple of weeks ago and saw two anglers? reel in a good size Mirror Carp, they hit it on the head, put it in a sack and packed up and left. The close season for fishing on a river is from 15th march to 15th june, you can fish on river from the 16th june. 99% of still waters can be fished all year round.

Yes Nicko but considering the source - the express - can you really believe that the EE's are actually draining our rivers of fish?
It's this bit that made me laugh:

Kent councillor Tony Harwood yesterday said serious damage was being done to eel and trout stocks near his home in Maidstone to satisfy the migrants’ love of smoked fish.

It's no joke Eddie, this is really happening. some of the Carp introduced to private waters cost the owners hundreds of pounds.

I believe it.

Not only fish, folks. I live in an area that has large flocks of geese and ducks, on the rivers and lakes etc.
We know that foreigners are catching the geese and ducks for food, no matter whether it is the shooting season or not. Let's hope our local conservationists do the same as the fishing lobby and put up notices in different languages. If I catch the buggers I'll throw their guns in the river.

Why do Eastern Europeans have to kill for their food? Don't they know we have supermarkets?

POACHING of fish and shellfish stocks is also quite common up and down the East Coast of Australia, as well (though, obviously, the background of our local poachers will be somewhat different -- around here there are Asian families supplying capital city restaurants, north coast commercial fishers raiding mullet runs for the roe, yobboes beachfishing sharks just for "sport"..).

AS FOR that situation over in Europe, I could suggest that those Eastern Europeans got into the habit of poaching fish stocks for food back in the bad old Soviet years; and with easier access to other parts of Europe over the last two decades, they have now carried their bad practices across into Britain (and probably Germany, France, and Scandinavian regions as well..) ?

AND, let's not forget those long liners and gill netters feeding those giant "factory" ships, as well..  They've been increasingly raping and pillaging the open oceans for more than 40 years...      

 

Those "long liners" kill thousands of sea birds including the rare Albatross,
they dive for the lures which have hooks in them, disgustingly cruel.

nicko wrote:
Those "long liners" kill thousands of sea birds including the rare Albatross,
they dive for the lures which have hooks in them,    disgustingly cruel.

And then there's the other non-fish non-target species caught up by long liners and netters...

Dolphins, turtles, sharks, seals..
As well as all of those birds that you mention, nicko.

And just as damaging, though not quite as visible and obvious --  and more insidious --  are the newer krill and plankton harvesting ships operating out of Japan and Taiwan..

IT'S ONLY a matter of when, not if, the marine ecosystems go belly up as an inevitable result of all the over-fishing...        

eddie wrote:Yes Nicko but considering the source - the express - can you really believe that the EE's are actually draining our rivers of fish?
It's this bit that made me laugh:

Kent councillor Tony Harwood yesterday said serious damage was being done to eel and trout stocks near his home in Maidstone to satisfy the migrants’ love of smoked fish.

The Express is simply reporting - accurately so far as I can see -a genuine news story based on a campaign launched by the Angling Trust with the support of the Environment Agency in an attempt to address what is a very serious environmental issue in some parts of the country, including my own.

There are very sensible rules about river and lake angling which are specifically designed to protect and conserve fish stocks, and in any case properly run angling clubs which police their own members' activities have to pay heavily for fishing rights to access to what is often privately-owned property.

Just because immigrants happen to have enjoyed smoked or any other sort of inland waterway fish in their own country does not give them the right to come here and flout the laws which we have in place to protect this country's wildlife.

Your comment indicates to me that you regard the piece as some sort of politically inspired critique of immigrants and if so, I disagree entirely.

I will be worried when our newspapers are silenced by PC zealots from reporting and commenting on issues of public interest involving any sector of society - including immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees.

Hold your horses Lord ed! I found the reporting funny, the part I highlighted.

Importing thieves onto our island is unwise, we must be mad.

A fishery at Wolvey had the fish stealing problem by those lovely Polish gentlemen.

JUST SPOKE TO A NEIGHBOUR,WHO HAS JUST COME BACK FROM A LOCAL CARP LAKE, EARLSWOOD LAKES [ IF ANYONE HAS HEARD OF THEM]
POLICE HAVE JUST ARRESTED TWO MEN, HE THINKS THEY ARE POLISH,
CAUGHT WITH 3 DEAD CARP IN A SACK!

SORRY ABOUT CAPS, STUCK AGAIN,.

eddie wrote:British rivers stripped of fish by East European poachers

FEARS that Eastern European poachers are decimating Britain’s freshwater fish stocks have forced conservationists to start a nationwide poster campaign – in five languages.

Fishing in rivers, canals and some lakes is illegal during the close season to allow the fish to breed. But experts say migrants are eating and selling catches, including those pregnant, instead of returning them to the water.

The Angling Trust is so concerned about the diminishing numbers of salmon, trout, barbel, pike, bream, carp and eel, it has printed details of the ban in Polish, Romanian, Lithuanian, Slovakian and English.

Kent councillor Tony Harwood yesterday said serious damage was being done to eel and trout stocks near his home in Maidstone to satisfy the migrants’ love of smoked fish.



Conservationists have warned the number of wild salmon in the River Wye has plummeted by 57 per cent.

Now the Angling Trust voluntary bailiff service has launched Operation Clamp Down with the Environment Agency to target illegal angling during the coarse fishing close season.

Martin Salter, of the Angling Trust, said: “Fishing for coarse fish between March 15 and June 15 on rivers and some still waters and canals is illegal.”

Fishing out of season carries a maximum penalty of £50,000.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/386379/British-rivers-stripped-of-fish-by-East-European-poachers


Is it me, or does this sound like a load of codswallop?

are you sure this thread fits the criteria, seems like a hate thread against eastern Europeans to me.

eddie wrote:Why do Eastern Europeans have to kill for their food? Don't they know we have supermarkets?

because they don't have to pay for it and can sell it on?

Shut up Dean. It's not a hate thread, is it?
If you're bored start a thread yourself.

eddie wrote:Shut up Dean. It's not a hate thread, is it?
If you're bored start a thread yourself.

so a thread on any topic is allowed?

The Devil, You Know wrote:

eddie wrote:Shut up Dean. It's not a hate thread, is it?
If you're bored start a thread yourself.

so a thread on any topic is allowed?

You know the rules Dean. And you can't spoil my great mood

The Devil, You Know wrote:

eddie wrote:Shut up Dean. It's not a hate thread, is it?
If you're bored start a thread yourself.

so a thread on any topic is allowed?

I have a thread up on Muslims raping our children but the mods seem to be avoiding it, WHY????

Major wrote:

The Devil, You Know wrote:

eddie wrote:Shut up Dean. It's not a hate thread, is it?
If you're bored start a thread yourself.

so a thread on any topic is allowed?

I have a thread up on Muslims raping our children but the mods seem to be avoiding it, WHY????

Because I've discussed the hell out of that topic, here and elsewhere.

Ah well ...just another cultural tradition the multiculturalists will demand we sit back and pretend its all fine

just like those other activites we all know about but no one will do anything about.....

allowing these types in is little different to allowing cane toads into australia....

no doubt the PC PC'S will be turning a blind eye to this as much as possible...just as the are STILL doing in rotherham etc, albeit there it is a more serious matter...

AHHH the unalloyed joys of multiculturalism, as encouraged by the mad left......(BEN>>>>>YMMV....got that???)

eddie wrote:British rivers stripped of fish by East European poachers

eddie wrote:
FEARS that Eastern European poachers are decimating Britain’s freshwater

Confusing contradiction in terms there.
To decimate is merely to reduce by a tenth.
I had a boss who had a big problem with that word and he used to stop us in our tracks if we used it.
It got so that we had to use alternative words.

You're not wrong though. Well spotted.

eddie wrote:

Major wrote:

I have a thread up on Muslims raping our children but the mods seem to be avoiding it, WHY????

Because I've discussed the hell out of that topic, here and elsewhere.

What doest thou know about thieving of fish by those luvlee law abiding Polish people??? nowt I suspect, eddie, I do and othuz do.

Lord Foul wrote:Ah well ...just another cultural tradition the multiculturalists will demand we sit back and pretend its all fine

just like those other activites we all know about but no one will do anything about.....

allowing these types in is little different to allowing cane toads into australia....

no doubt the PC PC'S will be turning a blind eye to this as much as possible...just as the are STILL doing in rotherham etc, albeit there it is a more serious matter...

AHHH the unalloyed joys of multiculturalism, as encouraged by the mad left......(BEN>>>>>YMMV....got that???)

ALLOWING criminal activities and environmental vandalism is not a part of multiculturalism...

Britain is not a multicultural country;  nor are the likes of Poland, Rumania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Slovenia, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland..

You really have no idea what genuine multiculturalism is, Victor !

Certainly not the way in which it works in successful and more modern multicultural nations like Australia, New Zealand, the USA and Canada..        

Jules wrote:

eddie wrote:British rivers stripped of fish by East European poachers

eddie wrote:
FEARS that Eastern European poachers are decimating Britain’s freshwater

Confusing contradiction in terms there.
To decimate is merely to reduce by a tenth.
I had a boss who had a big problem with that word and he used to stop us in our tracks if we used it.
It got so that we had to use alternative words.

The word "decimate" has also been acceptable in the use of English as meaning "to destroy a large proportion of..." since the latter half of the 17th century.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Jules wrote:




Confusing contradiction in terms there.
To decimate is merely to reduce by a tenth.
I had a boss who had a big problem with that word and he used to stop us in our tracks if we used it.
It got so that we had to use alternative words.

The word "decimate" has also been acceptable in the use of English as meaning "to destroy a large proportion of..." since the latter half of the 17th century.

Not by purists! Like my boss for example.

Jules wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

The word "decimate" has also been acceptable in the use of English as meaning "to destroy a large proportion of..." since the latter half of the 17th century.

Not by purists!  Like my boss for example.

If you feel strongly enough to make a stand on the issue, refer him to the Shorter Oxford Dictionary!

Jules wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

The word "decimate" has also been acceptable in the use of English as meaning "to destroy a large proportion of..." since the latter half of the 17th century.

Not by purists!  Like my boss for example.

Well tell him to move with the times.
Language is ever changing.....tell him to watch 'Countdown' some of the words now allowed in the OED would curl his toes.

Syl wrote:
Well tell him to move with the times.

Moving with the times is not a positive thing where literary standards are concerned. The standards are shocking, and they continue to fall. Spelling and grammar have gone to pot (and yes, I'm just as bad sometimes )

Syl wrote:
Language is ever changing.....tell him to watch 'Countdown' some of the words now allowed in the OED would curl his toes.

Yes language evolves continuously and the meanings of words change, I've even seen words take up the completely opposite meaning, over time!  
But my ex boss, who is not normally known to be pedantic, managed to sway me on this one.  Do you know why?

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:
Well tell him to move with the times.

Moving with the times is not a positive thing where literary standards are concerned. The standards are shocking, and they continue to fall. Spelling and grammar have gone to pot (and yes, I'm just as bad sometimes    )

Syl wrote:
Language is ever changing.....tell him to watch 'Countdown' some of the words now allowed in the OED would curl his toes.

Yes language evolves continuously and the meanings of words change, I've even seen words take up the completely opposite meaning, over time!  
But my ex boss, who is not normally known to be pedantic, managed to sway me on this one.  Do you know why?

No...why?
I will say that I agree about spoken language going downhill....so many people also seem to adopt a strange affectation when they speak. I think they are trying to sound well travelled, they just sound affected.

And the local Manchester accent has changed too...Manchester is now often pronounced as ManchesTUUR....I hate it.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:Ah well ...just another cultural tradition the multiculturalists will demand we sit back and pretend its all fine

just like those other activites we all know about but no one will do anything about.....

allowing these types in is little different to allowing cane toads into australia....

no doubt the PC PC'S will be turning a blind eye to this as much as possible...just as the are STILL doing in rotherham etc, albeit there it is a more serious matter...

AHHH the unalloyed joys of multiculturalism, as encouraged by the mad left......(BEN>>>>>YMMV....got that???)

ALLOWING criminal activities and environmental vandalism is not a part of multiculturalism...

It is...inevitably...since "we" have to take due note of "Their" cultural norms...or else we are "somthing-ist"


Britain is not a multicultural country;  nor are the likes of Poland, Rumania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Slovenia, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland..

Well now I suggest you ask the guvmnt, they are the ones who keep trying to foist this unwanted idea upon us.

You really have no idea what genuine multiculturalism is, Victor !

By definition no such animal can or will exist, since there will ALWAYS be irreconcilable differences between cultures/religions etc ...and SOMEONES has to be ascendant, or chaos reigns

Certainly not the way in which it works in successful and more modern multicultural nations like Australia, New Zealand, the USA and Canada..        

and these are not multicultural in any sense either......you (australia) have avoided the worst of the shit with your strict immigration policy.....and by avoiding on a land area basis the flooding of your country by those incomming who wish to have "their culture" be THE culture.

see the problem WE (and most of europe) have is that those comming here only wish to build "little bagdad or little beiruit" here and have no intention themselves of actually becomming part of "britain" They expect US to compromise on many issues....but will not make compromises themselves, even to the extent of ignoring laws set out for the safe freedom of the individual citizen.....Folks like YOU wolfie are all too quick to whinge when "we" ask (reasonably) that "their" women remove at least the veil to expose teir face to scrutiny (only a bandit needs to hide his/her face .....) and yet we hear NOTHING from your sort when "THEY" abuse OUR girls who are dressed for a night out.

If fifty english blokes stood on a street corner yelling abuse at asian women in their burkahs there would be hell to pay
fifty asian youths do the same at girls going out to the night club it seems is acceptable ...since our forces of law and order simply do nothing, neither does the system make any attempt to prosecute these sort or indeed recognise that this is exactly the same racist crap at work...

white english bloke ...auto racist
asian abuser...well ......white english girl deserves it for offending his culutural norms


THAT is the REALITY of multiculturalism..........

Jules wrote:
Yes language evolves continuously and the meanings of words change, I've even seen words take up the completely opposite meaning, over time!  
But my ex boss, who is not normally known to be pedantic, managed to sway me on this one.  Do you know why?

Syl wrote: ......... No...why? ........  

Hiya Syl,  
The reason?
Take a closer look at the word DECImate. Unfortunately it has an inbuilt numerical value locked into the meaning. Hence strictly speaking, it is not open to change.

We know that the latin-based prefix ''Deci''  means ten  hence the word will always mean reducing the value by a tenth.

Just like halving a quantity will always mean dividing it into two equal parts, it will never change to mean a third or a quarter, irrespective of linguistic trends.

So, there ya go, he sold it to me. He was a nice boss btw, not a pedant.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Jules wrote:

Not by purists!  Like my boss for example.

If you feel strongly enough to make a stand on the issue, refer him to the Shorter Oxford Dictionary!

I hear you, FMT.
The dictionary I consulted yesterday to see the latest opinion, wisely gave both meanings, ie to drastically reduce the quantity and also the original meaning to reduce by just a tenth.

Moot point, I guess, - sorry for taking this off topic, guys.