Trump advocating assassination?

The Hill wrote:Trump says 'Second Amendment people' could stop Clinton

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump appeared to joke about the possibility that Hillary Clinton could be shot in remarks at a campaign rally Tuesday in Wilmington, N.C.

Trump was discussing the possibility that Clinton, the Democratic nominee, would be able to appoint liberal justices to the Supreme Court if she wins the race for the White House.

He then said that there was nothing that could be done in that scenario, before mentioning “Second Amendment folks.”

“Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the Second Amendment,” Trump said to boos from the crowd.

“By the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks,” he then added.

“Though the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know.”

The Clinton campaign responded with a statement, with campaign manager Robby Mook saying: “This is simple — what Trump is saying is dangerous. A person seeking to be President of the United States should not suggest violence in any way.”

Democrats pounced on the comments, with Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-Calif.) tweeting that the Secret Service must investigate Trump's "threat," while progressive group MoveOn released a statement calling on Republicans to reject Trump's campaign in response.

On Twitter, a number of observers noted that it appeared that Trump was discussing the possibility, even if he were joking, that Clinton could be shot.

Original Quill wrote:Interesting, they die-hard Republicans are trying to sell the excuse that it was an reference to voting.  But clearly, Trump was saying that after the election there could be 2nd Amendment remedies.  He was saying that after HRC was president, and already appointing Supreme Court justices, there could be 2nd Amendment remedies.  So it was a reference to a Plan B.

What Plan B exists after the election?  Second Amendment remedies relates to use of firearms.  This was a dog whistle to assassination.  Donald Trump was advocating murder of Hillary Clinton.

There just seems to be 'NO' filter - no censorship - no one to aid this man with NO BRAIN to STFU

Trump-the-assassin wrote:If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know.

sassy wrote:But it won't be will it Ben, because all those revolting people following him will be marginalised and will start plotting and you could see an even nastier time.   Hitler lost for a while, then the real trouble started.

sassy wrote:I find it terrifying frankly.  

Handy Andy wrote:From this side of the pond,it was a clear unequivocal rallying call for the2nd Amendment group to rally against Clinton,up to and including assassination.
Isn't that an arrestable offence for treason?

sassy wrote:Of course he will get away with it.   The people following him are those that were probably thinking it anyway.   They have shown so much violence already and have attacked people just for being coloured or disagreeing with them.

Original Quill wrote:

sassy wrote:Of course he will get away with it.   The people following him are those that were probably thinking it anyway.   They have shown so much violence already and have attacked people just for being coloured or disagreeing with them.

Right, he's playing to his own base.  But if he can't move beyond his base, he's not going to win the election.  In that sense, he doesn't get away with it, and in fact locks himself into his own pitiful 32%.

sassy wrote:Of course he will get away with it.   The people following him are those that were probably thinking it anyway.   They have shown so much violence already and have attacked people just for being coloured or disagreeing with them.

sassy wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Right, he's playing to his own base.  But if he can't move beyond his base, he's not going to win the election.  In that sense, he doesn't get away with it, and in fact locks himself into his own pitiful 32%.

But keeps his supporters and they will become more dangerous the more things like this he says.   All the way through he has egged them on to be violent.   If they know they have lost they will turn even nastier.

eddie wrote:

sassy wrote:Of course he will get away with it.   The people following him are those that were probably thinking it anyway.   They have shown so much violence already and have attacked people just for being coloured or disagreeing with them.

Interesting you used the word 'coloured' as that's considered wrong nowadays isn't it?
Now that's not a dig but it's a general nudge to say that sometimes we use words innocently and forget they're considered "wrong" now.

Anyway, to the OP, I feel that perhaps trump  knows he's losing so is flinging about shit.

Poll: Nearly 1-in-5 Republicans want Donald Trump to drop out
By Rebecca Shabad CBS News August 10, 2016, 11:07 AM

More than two-thirds of Republicans want Donald Trump to stay in the presidential race, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Wednesday.
The survey found that 70 percent of GOP voters said they think Trump should stay in the presidential race. Nineteen percent of Republicans, on the other hand, said that the GOP presidential nominee should suspend his White House bid and drop out. Ten percent said they "don't know" what Trump should do.
Forty-four percent of all registered voters, the poll found, said they want Trump to drop out of the race.
 
The poll also found that more than half of Americans, 53 percent, have an unfavorable view of Clinton.
These latest numbers come out a day after Trump came under fire for a remark he made Tuesday at a rally in North Carolina in which he said "Second Amendment people" could do something about Hillary Clinton choosing Supreme Court justices if she's elected president.
"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks," Trump said at a rally in Wilmington. "Although the Second Amendment people ... maybe there is, I don't know."
Some thought that Trump was promoting violence with this statement.
But a Trump adviser quickly dismissed that interpretation on Tuesday afternoon, and Trump himself eventually commented on the blowback in an interview that aired in the evening on Fox News and blamed the media.
"It was amazing because nobody in that room thought anything other than what you just said. This is a political movement. This is a strong, powerful movement, the Second Amendment," Trump said. "You know, Hillary wants to take your guns away. She wants to leave you unprotected in your home."
"I mean, give me a break," Trump added, before denouncing the "dishonest" media. "What it is, is there's a tremendous power behind the Second Amendment. It's a political power, and it -- there are few things so powerful, I have to say, in terms of politics."
The Reuters/Ipsos poll surveyed 1,162 registered voters between August 5 and 8 with a 3 percentage point margin of error, and more specifically, 396 registered Republicans with a 6 percentage point margin of error.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly-1-in-5-republicans-want-donald-trump-to-drop-out/

There's just no way to keep patching the holes in this leaky row boat - not when it's more than ½ way to election eve and this 'motor mouth' can't be bridled and stick to script/platform/agenda ...

eddie wrote:Ah. Right. I'll have to remember that.

veya_victaous wrote:

Never mind the evidence in favor of a robbery, the fact that the leaked emails were released well after his death or even that WikiLeaks itself stressed that the reward should not be taken as an implication that Rich was involved in the email leak.

Ben Reilly wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/10/4th-mysterious-death-connected-to-the-dnc/

TL/DR:

Never mind the evidence in favor of a robbery, the fact that the leaked emails were released well after his death or even that WikiLeaks itself stressed that the reward should not be taken as an implication that Rich was involved in the email leak.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Ah. Right. I'll have to remember that.

Take notes...you'll forget.

Ben Reilly wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/10/4th-mysterious-death-connected-to-the-dnc/

TL/DR:

Never mind the evidence in favor of a robbery, the fact that the leaked emails were released well after his death or even that WikiLeaks itself stressed that the reward should not be taken as an implication that Rich was involved in the email leak.

Original Quill wrote:Interesting, they die-hard Republicans are trying to sell the excuse that it was an reference to voting.  But clearly, Trump was saying that after the election there could be 2nd Amendment remedies.  He was saying that after HRC was president, and already appointing Supreme Court justices, there could be 2nd Amendment remedies.  So it was a reference to a Plan B.

What Plan B exists after the election?  Second Amendment remedies relates to use of firearms.  This was a dog whistle to assassination.  Donald Trump was advocating murder of Hillary Clinton.

Jules wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Interesting, they die-hard Republicans are trying to sell the excuse that it was an reference to voting.  But clearly, Trump was saying that after the election there could be 2nd Amendment remedies.  He was saying that after HRC was president, and already appointing Supreme Court justices, there could be 2nd Amendment remedies.  So it was a reference to a Plan B.

What Plan B exists after the election?  Second Amendment remedies relates to use of firearms.  This was a dog whistle to assassination.  Donald Trump was advocating murder of Hillary Clinton.

Excuses, excuses.   His campaign team should be smart enough to realise that every sentence, word, syllable uttered by a prospective president would be dissected and analysed to the nth degree by political commentators!  Dog whistling attempts are a no-no and it says a lot about his (lack of) common sense that he does not even realise this.

He simply does not have the luxury of being able to any make vague, ambiguous statement that could be misconstrued, then be allowed to 'clarify' it later.  There are too many antennas out there waiting to seize upon the slightest wrong thing a presidential candidate says, journalists make a career out of this sort of thing. Dog-whistling attempts are laughable.

Heavy wrote:

Seth Conrad Rich’s unsolved murder on a Washington D.C. street has sparked a flurry of conspiracy theories because he was a staffer and self-described data analyst for the Democratic National Committee.

WikiLeaks is offering a $20,000 reward for information leading to a conviction in Rich’s death (that’s in addition to a previous $25,000 reward being offered in the case). In an Aug. 8 interview with Dutch TV, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange spoke about the Rich murder case and would not confirm or deny whether Rich was a WikiLeaks source (although, as matter of practice, WikiLeaks doesn’t comment on its sources).

Rich, 27, who worked for the DNC on voting issues, was shot and killed in Washington D.C., and his murder remains mysterious. “Police have found little information to explain his death,” said The New York Daily News.

Conspiracy theories are raging about Rich’s death because of his DNC employment and also the lack of an obvious motive, eyewitnesses, or suspect in the case. Rich, 27, was shot on July 10, 2016 at 4:15 in the morning near a Washington D.C. neighborhood where he lived, said CBS News. Some are also raising questions about the August death of Shawn Lucas, who served the DNC with a lawsuit alleging fraud in the presidential race.

In the Rich homicide case, The Washington Post wrote on July 11: “Police said they have no suspects, witnesses or motive, though they are looking at whether Rich could have been slain in an attempted robbery.”

Washington D.C. Metropolitan police public affairs told Heavy on Aug. 9: “At this time, there is no indication that Seth Rich’s death is connected to his employment at the DNC. However, we welcome information that could potentially lead to the identification of the individual(s) responsible for his death and are pleased when any outside contributors help us generate new leads.”

NBC Channel 4 in Washington says that Seth’s mother, Mary Rich, said police “told her family her son may have been the victim of an attempted robbery.” In August, Mary joined police in a press conference in which she asked the public for help in providing tips.

However, after Assange spoke about the death and WikiLeaks offered its reward, the Rich family asked, through a spokesman, that people stop politicizing the tragedy.

“The family welcomes any and all information that could lead to the identification of the individuals responsible, and certainly welcomes contributions that could lead to new avenues of investigation,” Rich family spokesman Brad Bauman said in a statement to Business Insider.

“That said, some are attempting to politicize this horrible tragedy, and in their attempts to do so, are actually causing more harm than good and impeding on the ability for law enforcement to properly do their job,” the statement continued. The family also asked the public to stop spreading “harmful” and “unproven” theories about Rich’s death, said Business Insider.

Rich’s father told The Washington Post that Seth’s watch, wallet and credit cards were not taken, but he thinks Rich was “killed after resisting a robbery in which the assailant got nothing.”

Daily Mail says Rich was attacked across the street from a convenience store on the 2100 block of Flagler Place NW, not far from a brownstone he shared with three or four roommates. Rich was from Omaha, “where his family played a strong role in the Beth El Synagogue,” said Daily Mail.

However, Acting Capt. Anthony Haythe of the Metropolitan Police Department’s homicide branch said in a July news conference that all motives were being considered, said CBS. The New York Daily News quoted police as saying, “There is no immediate indication that robbery was a motive in the attack…but it has not been ruled out as a possibility.”

The police said they are looking into whether Rich’s death was tied to other robberies in the area, and his roommate told WUSA9 that Rich “was probably walking home from his girlfriend’s apartment when he was robbed and then shot.” The Washington Post said there were two robberies “in the city in the hour preceding the shooting, both more than one mile away.”

Rich’s mother told NBC Channel 4 in Washington D.C. that her son’s “hands were bruised, his knees are bruised, his face is bruised, and yet he had two shots to his back, and yet they never took anything.”

The Washington D.C. Medical Examiner’s office told Heavy that Rich died from gunshot wound to the torso and the manner of death was homicide. The office did not say how many times Rich was shot and said that autopsy reports are not publicly released to the news media in D.C.

The Washington Post says at least one of Rich’s multiple gunshot wounds was in the back. The shooting occurred in northwest Washington D.C.’s Bloomingdale neighborhood, said WUSA9. Rich was taken to the hospital, where he died, said WUSA9.

Rich was discovered by police who were patrolling the area and was conscious and breathing at first, said CNN. He was talking on the phone with his girlfriend when the shooting occurred and told her not to worry about it when she heard a noise, said NBC 4. There is a $25,000 reward being offered in the Rich murder case.

The Washington Post has posted video of that speech. “Surely, we can agree that weapons of war have no place on the streets of America,” Clinton said after mentioning Rich as an example of someone killed who doesn’t make the headlines. She said he had worked on voting rights for the DNC.

Two days before Rich died, he posted a plea on Facebook to end gun violence, saying, “I have family and friends on both sides of the law. Please, stop killing each other,” says UK Daily Mail.

According to CBS, former Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said that Rich was a “dedicated, selfless public servant who worked tirelessly to protect the most sacred right we share as Americans.”

On his LinkedIn page, Rich described himself as “Experienced and impassioned data analyst. I have an enormous interest in public service and working towards making the world a better place.” The page says that Rich had worked as the DNC’s Voter Expansion Data Director since 2014.

Before that, he was a Research Data Associate for Greenberg Quinlan Rosner; a Boating Education Director and Staff Programming Director at Camp Ramah in Wisconsin; a research intern for Senator Ben Nelson; a member of the campaign staff for the Nebraska Democratic Party, an enumerator for the Census Bureau, a field organizer for Senate campaigns, and other jobs.

People Magazine says he worked on voter expansion efforts for the DNC and The Washington Post says that, as a DNC staffer, he worked on a project to “help voters easily find their polling places.”

Rich graduated from Creighton University with a B.A. in Political Science: Public Policy and History, said his LinkedIn page.

According to Town Hall, Rich had previously worked on the U.S. Senate campaign for Nebraska businessman Scott Kleeb. “The Clinton Global Initiative provided funds for a clean energy business started by Kleeb, which had come under investigation after losing $300,000 in 2010 and another $300,000 in 2011 despite the subsidies,” asserted Town Hall, adding that “Rich was also previously employed at a data firm that had worked with the Clintons.”

Various conspiracy theories have sprouted up about Rich’s death, without concrete evidence to back them up, but fueled in part by the WikiLeaks dump of almost 20,000 DNC emails, which led to the resignation of Wasserman Schultz.

Inquistr reported “a number of far-left and even far-right political blogs theorized that Rich — who worked on voter data — may have been a whistleblower threatening to expose election fraud carried out to help Hillary Clinton win the Democratic primary.”

On Reddit, people have theorized – again without any evidence to back it up – that Rich was the person who gave WikiLeaks the DNC emails. However, numerous news sites, such as NBC, have reported that government officials and security firms believe that Russian intelligence was behind that leak; WikiLeaks denies being tied to Russian intelligence but won’t reveal its sources for the emails, which, among other things, appear to show DNC officials favoring Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders during the primary.

Reddit threads devote exhaustive discussion to dissecting the Rich murder case. Other conspiracy theories range from accusations that Rich was a DNC whistleblower to those theorizing he was about to testify or was collaborating with the FBI. Again, there is no evidence to back those theories up.

Snopes is one of the sites that has sought to debunk evidence-less claims that Rich was about to collaborate with the FBI or was bumped off by a Clinton “hit” team. Heat Street is another.

In the interview with Dutch television station NOS, a public broadcasting company, on Aug. 8, WikiLeaks’ founder Julian Assange and the news anchor discussed Rich. See the second video in this story. Here is what they said in the videotaped interview conducted in English:

Assange: “Whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material, often very significant risks. There’s a 27-year-old that works for the DNC who was shot in the back, murdered, just two weeks ago, for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington. So…”

Anchor: “That was just a robbery, I believe, wasn’t it?”

Assange: “No, there’s no finding. So, ah – “

Anchor: “What are you suggesting? What are you suggesting?”

Assange: “I am suggesting that our sources, ah, take risks and they, they become concerned to see things occurring like that.”

Anchor: “But was he one of your sources then, I mean?”

Assange: “We don’t comment on who our sources are.”

Anchor: “But why make the suggestion about a young guy being shot in the streets of Washington?”

Assange: “Because we have to understand how high the stakes are in the United States. Our sources, ah, our sources face serious risks, that’s why they come to us so we can protect, ah, their anonymity.”

Anchor: “But it’s quite something to suggest a murder. That’s basically what you are doing.”

Assange: “Well, others have suggested that. We investigated to understand what happened in that situation, with Seth Rich. I think it is a concerning situation. There is not a conclusion yet. We wouldn’t be willing to say a conclusion yet, but we are concerned about it. More importantly, a variety of WikiLeaks sources are concerned when that kind of thing happens.”

WikiLeaks later put a statement on Seth Rich:

As for Shawn Lucas, the other man who is the subject of conspiracy theories, he was seen in a video serving the DNC with the lawsuit alleging that the DNC fraudulently favored Clinton over Bernie Sanders in the primary.

“The cause of death is pending at this time,” Beverly Fields, chief of staff, for the Washington D.C. Medical Examiner’s office told Heavy when asked about Lucas’ death. “The date of the death was Aug. 2.” She said the office can’t release addition information under law.

A Go Fund Me site has been set up to help pay for Lucas’ funeral.

“The world lost an incredible man who made everyone around him better,” it says. “On August 2nd, 2016 Shawn Lucas was unexpectedly taken from us. He was a brother, a son, a friend, a best friend, a beautiful heart.…Trying to describe him in words is a difficult task, because he was so many things to so many people.”

Town Hall says people are also raising questions about the Aug. 1 death of Victor Thorn, who wrote four anti-Clinton books, and who “reportedly killed himself with a gun on his 54th birthday, August 1, while on top of a mountain near his Pennsylvania home.”

eddie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/10/4th-mysterious-death-connected-to-the-dnc/

TL/DR:

Never mind the evidence in favor of a robbery, the fact that the leaked emails were released well after his death or even that WikiLeaks itself stressed that the reward should not be taken as an implication that Rich was involved in the email leak.

Yes Ben. It's a big coincidence like these people in these situations, suddenly dying, always are.
Nothing to see here.

Assange: “Well, others have suggested that. We investigated to understand what happened in that situation, with Seth Rich. I think it is a concerning situation. There is not a conclusion yet. We wouldn’t be willing to say a conclusion yet, but we are concerned about it. More importantly, a variety of WikiLeaks sources are concerned when that kind of thing happens.”

WikiLeaks later put a statement on Seth Rich:

As for Shawn Lucas, the other man who is the subject of conspiracy theories, he was seen in a video serving the DNC with the lawsuit alleging that the DNC fraudulently favored Clinton over Bernie Sanders in the primary.

“The cause of death is pending at this time,” Beverly Fields, chief of staff, for the Washington D.C. Medical Examiner’s office told Heavy when asked about Lucas’ death. “The date of the death was Aug. 2.” She said the office can’t release addition information under law.

A Go Fund Me site has been set up to help pay for Lucas’ funeral.

“The world lost an incredible man who made everyone around him better,” it says. “On August 2nd, 2016 Shawn Lucas was unexpectedly taken from us. He was a brother, a son, a friend, a best friend, a beautiful heart.…Trying to describe him in words is a difficult task, because he was so many things to so many people.”

Town Hall says people are also raising questions about the Aug. 1 death of Victor Thorn, who wrote four anti-Clinton books, and who “reportedly killed himself with a gun on his 54th birthday, August 1, while on top of a mountain near his Pennsylvania home.”

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/10/4th-mysterious-death-connected-to-the-dnc/

TL/DR:

Never mind the evidence in favor of a robbery, the fact that the leaked emails were released well after his death or even that WikiLeaks itself stressed that the reward should not be taken as an implication that Rich was involved in the email leak.

Yes Ben. It's a big coincidence like these people in these situations, suddenly dying, always are.
Nothing to see here.

He sent e-mails from beyond the grave?

RNC considers cutting cash to Trump
 GOP officials lay the groundwork to blame their nominee if Clinton wins.

By Eli Stokols and Kenneth P. Vogel
08/14/16 07:29 AM EDT
Edited down *** >
In the words of one person in the room, the message was that the RNC has “all these staffers out there working and knocking on doors, with a data system they believe rivals what Obama build in 2012—so it’s not their fault.”
Spicer emphasized that RNC chairman Reince Priebus has been working aggressively to coach Trump into being a more disciplined candidate, calling the nominee “five or six times a day,” according to another person present at last week’s closed-door meeting.
According to sources close to Priebus, the chairman has warned that if Trump does not better heed this persistent advice to avoid dust-ups driven by his rhetoric, the RNC might not be able to help him as much – suggesting the money and ground resources might be diverted.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-rnc-support-226987#ixzz4HJl5q9jE

POLITICO wrote:Trump blames 'disgusting' media: 'I would be beating Hillary by 20'

In a series of tweets Sunday morning, Donald Trump launched a new tirade against the media, calling it "disgusting" and blaming it for his drop in polls.

His latest tweet storm first targeted the New York Times, which published an article Saturday about the GOP nominee's allegedly failing campaign, but quickly expanded as an indictment of the media in general.

"The failing @nytimes talks about anonymous sources and meetings that never happened. Their reporting is fiction. The media protects Hillary!"

In the article, colleagues who spoke on the condition of anonymity called Trump "exhausted, frustrated and still bewildered by fine points of the political process."

"The failing @nytimes, which never spoke to me, keeps saying that I am saying to advisers that I will change. False, I am who I am-never said" Trump wrote on twitter.

Trump's relationship with media has been shaky, at times denying press to cover his rallies, including POLITICO, BuzzFeed, and the Washington Post.