British woman held after being seen reading book about Syria on plane

Faizah Shaheen was detained after a Thomson Airways crew member reported her for suspicious activity on a flight to Turkey


‘I couldn’t understand how reading a book could cause people to suspect me like this’ … Faizah Shaheen.

Free-speech groups have condemned the detention of a British Muslim woman after a cabin-crew member reported her for “suspicious behaviour” while reading a book about Syrian culture on a flight to Turkey.
Faizah Shaheen, a psychotherapist in Leeds, was detained by police at Doncaster airport on 25 July, on her return from her honeymoon in Turkey. A Thomson Airways cabin-crew member had reported Shaheen on her outbound flight two weeks earlier, as she was reading the title Syria Speaks: Art and Culture from the Frontline.
Police officers questioned Shaheen for 15 minutes under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, under which the police can detain individuals without grounds for suspicion of involvement in criminal activities, including terrorism.
Shaheen, whose work in the NHS includes efforts to stop radicalisation among young mental health patients, told the Independent she intends to make formal complaints against the police: “I was completely innocent – I was made to feel like a culprit … I couldn’t understand how reading a book could cause people to suspect me like this. I told the police that I didn’t think it was right or acceptable. I do question if … it would be different if it was someone who wasn’t Muslim.”




A collection of essays and writings by more than 50 artists on “challenging the culture of violence” in the country, Syria Speaks was published by British imprint Saqi Books in 2014. It received positive reviews from the likes of musician Brian Eno and author AL Kennedy, who described it as “a wise, courageous, imaginative and beautiful response to all that is ugly in human behaviour.”
Jo Glanville, director of English PEN – which supported the book’s publication with a grant towards translation – said Thomson Airways should be “highly embarrassed about this gross act of misjudgment”.
“The current culture of anxiety around extremism now means that even our reading material has become grounds for suspicion of terrorist activity,” she said. “The freedom to read any book, no matter the subject, is a fundamental cornerstone of our liberty.” Glanville also called Schedule 7 a “continuing problem” and said it was overdue for reform.
Zaher Omareen, the co-editor of Syria Speaks, condemned Shaheen’s detention as a “despicable incident”.
“Judging individuals and even taking measures against them based on their race, their looks, their language, or the printed words they carry is unacceptable and unjustifiable,” Omareen said. “It was enough to carry a book which includes the word ‘Syria’ in its title for its owner to be under suspicion as a potential terrorist. I would like to remind the people and the government that Syria must not be reduced to the politicised and power-constructed soundbites carrying simplistic messages of violence and horror.”
In a statement, a Thomson Airways spokesperson said: “Our crew undergo general safety and security awareness training on a regular basis. As part of this they are encouraged to be vigilant and share any information or questions with the relevant authorities. We appreciate that in this instance Ms Shaheen may have felt that overcaution had been exercised. However, like all airlines, our crew are trained to report any concerns they may have as a precaution.”
Lynn Gaspard, the managing director of Saqi Books said: “If Faizah gets in touch, I would be happy to invite her to our bookshop in west London and offer her any of our titles.”

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/aug/04/british-woman-held-after-being-seen-reading-book-about-syria-on-plane


FFS!   That's just pure ignorance.

It's kind of scary the mentality some people have, you wonder what sort of policies they'd put in place if they had the power to ... don't people know totalitarianism isn't a good thing?!

Ridiculous! She should have been detained for having those eyebrows.

Police detention of Muslim woman who was reading Syrian art book on plane a 'gross act of misjudgement'
 'This [is a] gross act of misjudgement. The current culture of anxiety around extremism now means that even our reading material has become grounds for suspicion of terrorist activity'


The detention of a British Muslim woman, after cabin crew saw her reading a book about Syrian art on a flight to Turkey and reported her to police, has been condemned as a “gross act of misjudgment”.
The Independent revealed that Faizah Shaheen, a psychotherapist from Leeds, was detained under the Terrorism Act as she returned to the UK from her honeymoon to Turkey.
She was told by police that suspicions had been raised by Thomson Airways cabin crew in relation to a book she had been reading on her flight titled Syria Speaks: Art and Culture from the Frontline.


The award-winning book by Malu Halasa is a collection of essays, short stories, poems, songs, cartoons and photographs from Syrian authors and artists.

Ms Shaheen says she was left in tears by the distressing incident and feels she was targeted because she is a Muslim.

Green Party leader Natalie Bennett tweeted her support of Faizah Shaheen, describing airline Thomson Holidays “utterly out of order”. She added that she has a copy of the same book on her bookshelf.


Natalie Bennett Verified account ‏@natalieben
Have this book on my bookshelf from http://www.bread-and-roses.co.uk/  shortlist - @ThomsonHolidays utterly out of order
Jo Glanville, director of English PEN, a writers association promoting human rights and freedom of expression, described the incident as “deeply disturbing” and a “gross act of misjudgement” by the airline. She said: “Thomson Airways should be highly embarrassed about this gross act of misjudgement. The current culture of anxiety around extremism now means that even our reading material has become grounds for suspicion of terrorist activity.
“This case also highlights the continuing problem of Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act, under which the police can detain individuals without grounds of suspicion of involvement in terrorism or other criminal activities. It is overdue for reform.”


Zaher Omareen, co-editor, of Syria Speaks said: "This despicable incident reflects the deep and widespread misunderstanding towards Syria today. It shows how far stereotypes influence our cities under the otherwise understandable security and terror concerns. Judging individuals and even taking measures against them based on their race, their looks, their language, or the printed words they carry is unacceptable and unjustifiable.
“I stand in solidarity with Faizah Shaheen who faced this humiliating situation because she carried a book on Syria. We must learn from this incident to make sure that no one faces similarly hideous situations in the future.”
Ms Shaheen told The Independent she now intends to make formal complaints against the police and Thomson Airways. She said: “I was completely innocent – I was made to feel like a culprit … I couldn’t understand how reading a book could cause people to suspect me like this. I told the police that I didn’t think it was right or acceptable. I do question if … it would be different if it was someone who wasn’t Muslim.”




A spokesperson for Thomson Airways told The Independent: “We appreciate that in this instance Ms Shaheen may have felt that overcaution had been exercised. However, like all airlines, our crew are trained to report any concerns they may have as a precaution.”
When asked by The Independent if the airline will issue an apology to Ms Shaheen, a spokesperson for Thomson Airways declined to comment further.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-Muslim-woman-detained-terror-laws-syrian-book-faizah-shaheen-a7172241.html


Only an uneducated, ill read, moronic bigot would think any different.

Glad it's all sorted.
She still needs to reassess her eyebrow artwork though.

of course the "consequences" of this were merely a few min of questioning ....
but of course her "feelings" were bent out of shape......awwwww, mustnt hurt anyones feelings must we


I wonder if she ever considers the feelings of GENUINE hurt felt by the real victims of her fellow religionists actions?

sure its not good that this sort of thing happens, and I'd rather it didnt BUT if the alternative is the possibility, no matter how vague that some more GENUINE feelings are going to be hurt becasue a potential threat was missed purely on the basis of some inconsequential incovenience to some individual then so be it....


I have been stopped and questuioned as to why I had my shot gun whilst walking down a country lane...
and had to go to the inconvenience of returning to my vehicle to show the police my licence...which I keep locked up away from the gun ....OH HOW MY FEELNGS WERE HURT....oh the HORROR to think they might consider me an armed criminal OH how TERRIBLE that they actually needed to see my licence rather than taking MY word for it OH the ANGUISH of having to walk 1/2 mile back to my vehicle...with copper in tow to get my licence...how utterly and terribly inconvenient...It spoilt my whole day sob sob snivel

When you put it like that......see? Two sides to every story.

I would be rather more worried if a couple from Turkey we all know decide to visit the UK . One of them has friends who are far right extremists, who advocate the neutralisation of Muslims..
No names mentioned, so LF cannot criticise me too much.

you cant help yourself can you....

do you suffer from some sort of disorder....?
its not like that was even relevant to the thread

Lord Foul wrote:of course the "consequences" of this were merely a few min of questioning ....
but of course her "feelings" were bent out of shape......awwwww, mustnt hurt anyones feelings must we


I wonder if she ever considers the feelings of GENUINE hurt felt by the real victims of her fellow religionists actions?

sure its not good that this sort of thing happens, and I'd rather it didnt BUT if the alternative is the possibility, no matter how vague that some more GENUINE feelings are going to be hurt becasue a potential threat was missed purely on the basis of some inconsequential incovenience to some individual then so be it....


I have been stopped and questuioned as to why I had my shot gun whilst walking down a country lane...
and had to go to the inconvenience of returning to my vehicle to show the police my licence...which I keep locked up away from the gun ....OH HOW MY FEELNGS WERE HURT....oh the HORROR to think they might consider me an armed criminal OH how TERRIBLE that they actually needed to see my licence rather than taking MY word for it OH the ANGUISH of having to walk 1/2 mile back to my vehicle...with copper in tow to get my licence...how utterly and terribly inconvenient...It spoilt my whole day sob sob snivel

Great points, I remeber when i was 16 and we went to Budapest in Hungary with my Orchestra.
It was still Communist at the time
I was pulled over by two Soldiers in unriform with auromatic rifles slung over their sholders pointing at me. Beckoning me to them away from the rest of the group.
I have to say my heart was in my mouth. One of the soldiers put out his hand to stop my teacher coming near me and i was escorted to a booth, then not in use.
As it turned out, they wanted my Arsenal football shirt, of which I actually gave to him, either though he offered money. I knew there money was worth peanuts, and did not mind really, as it certainly made his day.
I actaully did not have anything checked and was put straight through custums, I guess against procedure lol.

We can all be stopped and it can be a pain and being the fact most summers growing up as kids travelling via sea to Ireland, sometimes from Holyhead and sometimes (never can remeber the name) from a Scottish port. Which had us travel through Northern Ireland, to Eire where you are stopped both sides of the border for long times. So I know what it feels like to feel sterotype, but understand its a necessity to security and safety.

What did she lose really out of all of this, some dignitiy and a few minutes of her time.

Didge wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:of course the "consequences" of this were merely a few min of questioning ....
but of course her "feelings" were bent out of shape......awwwww, mustnt hurt anyones feelings must we


I wonder if she ever considers the feelings of GENUINE hurt felt by the real victims of her fellow religionists actions?

sure its not good that this sort of thing happens, and I'd rather it didnt BUT if the alternative is the possibility, no matter how vague that some more GENUINE feelings are going to be hurt becasue a potential threat was missed purely on the basis of some inconsequential incovenience to some individual then so be it....


I have been stopped and questuioned as to why I had my shot gun whilst walking down a country lane...
and had to go to the inconvenience of returning to my vehicle to show the police my licence...which I keep locked up away from the gun ....OH HOW MY FEELNGS WERE HURT....oh the HORROR to think they might consider me an armed criminal OH how TERRIBLE that they actually needed to see my licence rather than taking MY word for it OH the ANGUISH of having to walk 1/2 mile back to my vehicle...with copper in tow to get my licence...how utterly and terribly inconvenient...It spoilt my whole day sob sob snivel

Great points, I remeber when i was 16 and we went to Budapest in Hungary with my Orchestra.
It was still Communist at the time
I was pulled over by two Soldiers in unriform with auromatic rifles slung over their sholders pointing at me. Beckoning me to them away from the rest of the group.
I have to say my heart was in my mouth. One of the soldiers put out his hand to stop my teacher coming near me and i was escorted to a booth, then not in use.
As it turned out, they wanted my Arsenal football shirt, of which I actually gave to him, either though he offered money. I knew there money was worth peanuts, and did not mind really, as it certainly made his day.
I actaully did not have anything checked and was put straight through custums, I guess against procedure lol.

We can all be stopped and it can be a pain and being the fact most summers growing up as kids travelling via sea to Ireland, sometimes from Holyhead and sometimes (never can remeber the name) from a Scottish port. Which had us travel through Northern Ireland, to Eire where you are stopped both sides of the border for long times. So I know what it feels like to feel sterotype, but understand its a necessity to security and safety.

What did she lose really out of all of this, some dignitiy and a few minutes of her time.

What instrument did you play in this orchestra...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didge wrote:


Great points, I remeber when i was 16 and we went to Budapest in Hungary with my Orchestra.
It was still Communist at the time
I was pulled over by two Soldiers in unriform with auromatic rifles slung over their sholders pointing at me. Beckoning me to them away from the rest of the group.
I have to say my heart was in my mouth. One of the soldiers put out his hand to stop my teacher coming near me and i was escorted to a booth, then not in use.
As it turned out, they wanted my Arsenal football shirt, of which I actually gave to him, either though he offered money. I knew there money was worth peanuts, and did not mind really, as it certainly made his day.
I actaully did not have anything checked and was put straight through custums, I guess against procedure lol.

We can all be stopped and it can be a pain and being the fact most summers growing up as kids travelling via sea to Ireland, sometimes from Holyhead and sometimes (never can remeber the name) from a Scottish port. Which had us travel through Northern Ireland, to Eire where you are stopped both sides of the border for long times. So I know what it feels like to feel sterotype, but understand its a necessity to security and safety.

What did she lose really out of all of this, some dignitiy and a few minutes of her time.

What instrument did you play in this orchestra...!?

In that Orchestra, the Viola

The other, the violin.

ahh...so YOU are the "fiddler on the roof"

Lord Foul wrote:ahh...so YOU are the "fiddler on the roof"

Lord Foul wrote:of course the "consequences" of this were merely a few min of questioning ....
but of course her "feelings" were bent out of shape......awwwww, mustnt hurt anyones feelings must we


I wonder if she ever considers the feelings of GENUINE hurt felt by the real victims of her fellow religionists actions?

sure its not good that this sort of thing happens, and I'd rather it didnt BUT if the alternative is the possibility, no matter how vague that some more GENUINE feelings are going to be hurt becasue a potential threat was missed purely on the basis of some inconsequential incovenience to some individual then so be it....


I have been stopped and questuioned as to why I had my shot gun whilst walking down a country lane...
and had to go to the inconvenience of returning to my vehicle to show the police my licence...which I keep locked up away from the gun ....OH HOW MY FEELNGS WERE HURT....oh the HORROR to think they might consider me an armed criminal OH how TERRIBLE that they actually needed to see my licence rather than taking MY word for it OH the ANGUISH of having to walk 1/2 mile back to my vehicle...with copper in tow to get my licence...how utterly and terribly inconvenient...It spoilt my whole day sob sob snivel

Bet you wouldn't be twisting yourself into a pretzel with the guilt if it was pagans carrying out terrorist attacks. I bet if you actually had to live with that kind of situation, you'd be calling the terrorists crazy, saying they had nothing to do with paganism, and getting pretty riled up if someone treated you with suspicion just because you had that one thing in common with the murderers.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:of course the "consequences" of this were merely a few min of questioning ....
but of course her "feelings" were bent out of shape......awwwww, mustnt hurt anyones feelings must we


I wonder if she ever considers the feelings of GENUINE hurt felt by the real victims of her fellow religionists actions?

sure its not good that this sort of thing happens, and I'd rather it didnt BUT if the alternative is the possibility, no matter how vague that some more GENUINE feelings are going to be hurt becasue a potential threat was missed purely on the basis of some inconsequential incovenience to some individual then so be it....


I have been stopped and questuioned as to why I had my shot gun whilst walking down a country lane...
and had to go to the inconvenience of returning to my vehicle to show the police my licence...which I keep locked up away from the gun ....OH HOW MY FEELNGS WERE HURT....oh the HORROR to think they might consider me an armed criminal OH how TERRIBLE that they actually needed to see my licence rather than taking MY word for it OH the ANGUISH of having to walk 1/2 mile back to my vehicle...with copper in tow to get my licence...how utterly and terribly inconvenient...It spoilt my whole day sob sob snivel

Bet you wouldn't be twisting yourself into a pretzel with the guilt if it was pagans carrying out terrorist attacks. I bet if you actually had to live with that kind of situation, you'd be calling the terrorists crazy, saying they had nothing to do with paganism, and getting pretty riled up if someone treated you with suspicion just because you had that one thing in common with the murderers.

Well it was when Irish terrorists were carrying out attacks, again failing to see the point that I made.
Again I understood the problem at the time and had to live with that situation at the time
So where does that leave your argument?
At the end of the day if Muslims are being over sensitive again to the fact some of them will be stopped and questioned, then they are being a problem to something they are clearly not recognising, that it is extremist Muslims committed global attrocities.
Do you want the security services to stop checking people due to their over sensitivities.

What did this actually cost her?

Nothing but some small inconvenience and her pride

Is no one going to mention the eyebrow in the room??!

Good grief, talk about missing the point.   The problem was the lack of education of the people who stopped her, who couldn't either be bothered to look at the book itself or who were so outstandingly dumb that they didn't realise it was a very upmarket book on art and literature.

The award-winning book by Malu Halasa is a collection of essays, short stories, poems, songs, cartoons and photographs from Syrian authors and artists.



It seems that our RW have swung so far to the right they are ok with racial profiling and it's ok to grab someone reading an art book because it has the word 'Syria' attached to it.   We have some utter fascists in our midst.

And yes Victor, you would be furious if you were taken off a plane because you were seen as Pagan, don't pretend otherwise.

No not good grief, how this has occured is because there is a global jihad going on where people are being drawn from the Isamic faith to a groups like ISIS who normalize and think its righteous and justice to butcher people rape little girls and enslave them. We are seing even qualified doctors and nurses people higly educated and of low education drawn to them. Which then widens the pool of people who may be suspect.
The cause of this suspcion is down to the amount of varied people drawn to violence with the likes of ISIS.

I have never heard of this book and I read plenty of books, so what is the chances many others will have even heard of this Book?

Remote to say the least, the point is it did whether for right or wrong arouse suspciion, because people are now going to be that much more now wary because of extremists. That is just a natural reaction when you have had such appalling attacks happen not only in the west but near a daily bases in the Muslim world itself, showing nobody is safe.

It seems the left are so incompetant they cannot even grasp why whether again for the right or wrong reasons people will become suspcious.

Again what did this cost this lady.

Some minutes of her time and some dignity

Big deal

I am sure she will get over it, just as many Irish people did in this country when under suspcion due to the actions of the IRA.

Do not blame the people for what the extremists have created

The other factor being over looked is this was done with intent for safety and security, not islamophobia or malice. If she cannot even see that this was the case and it was down to error that will easily occur through people being more and more suspicious, due tot he increasing number of attacks. Then she is being utterly selfish, not understanding this at all. She like everyone else has to understand people more and more will be questioned at time if such suspicious situations arise.
Now if you think the senitivities of poeople matter over safety and security, then you are utterly clueless

Would they have stopped her if she'd been white and reading the same book?

eddie wrote:Would they have stopped her if she'd been white and reading the same book?

Well what is the risk based percentage of white Islamic terrorist?
There certainly is some, but again dress I imagine would play a factor.

Again as much as this is an inconvenience and will no doubt happen some more based off errors, which is the main point it was off an error, because some people will no doubt be fearful, based on the current climate. You cannot account for how some people will be easily led by fear. What you then have to ask is whether the Police can dismiss the claim made based on the information provided.

Do not forget, this is not like where people are stopped and searched, the Police have acted off memebes of the publics claims and their suspicions.
So what are the Police meant to do, based on information given?

Ignore or check out the passenger to then rule out any threat?

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:Would they have stopped her if she'd been white and reading the same book?

Well what is the risk based percentage of white Islamic terrorist?
There certainly is some, but again dress I imagine would play a factor.

Again as much as this is an inconvenience and will no doubt happen some more based off errors, which is the main point it was off an error, because some people will no doubt be fearful, based on the current climate. You cannot account for how some people will be easily led by fear. What you then have to ask is whether the Police can dismiss the claim made based on the information provided.

Are you in favour of racial profiling then Didge even of British citizens? A bit like because of the colour of your skin, the way you look and the way you dress and what you are carrying I think you may be a terrorist so I'm asking you yo prove that you are not.

Stuff that because that smacks of something I would expect from the BNP or the EDL and that's not something I want to see in this country. It's absulutely the wrong thing and sends this country in the wrong direction. And as far as I can recall you were against random stop and search by the Police.

This woman was already on an aircraft and all the security checks had already been done so there was no need for what happened to her.

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

Well what is the risk based percentage of white Islamic terrorist?
There certainly is some, but again dress I imagine would play a factor.

Again as much as this is an inconvenience and will no doubt happen some more based off errors, which is the main point it was off an error, because some people will no doubt be fearful, based on the current climate. You cannot account for how some people will be easily led by fear. What you then have to ask is whether the Police can dismiss the claim made based on the information provided.

Are you in favour of racial profiling then Didge even of British citizens? A bit like because of the colour of your skin, the way you look and the way you dress and what you are carrying I think you may be a terrorist so I'm asking you yo prove that you are not.

Stuff that because that smacks of something I would expect from the BNP or the EDL and that's not something I want to see in this country. It's absulutely the wrong thing and sends this country in the wrong direction. And as far as I can recall you were against random stop and search by the Police.

This woman was already on an aircraft and all the security checks had already been done so there was no need for what happened to her.

Wrong

How is this racial profilling when this is the public of memebers of staff contacting the Police

So again going on about me is quite pathetic and immature of you again making really childish accusations

The point that needs to be asked here is two things

One do the Police ignore or act on people contact them of what to them is a suspicious situation?

Are people wrongly going off in hindsight about the book itself when many people are not going to know this book and how easily it will be for people to wrongly in error think it could be suspicious?

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

Well what is the risk based percentage of white Islamic terrorist?
There certainly is some, but again dress I imagine would play a factor.

Again as much as this is an inconvenience and will no doubt happen some more based off errors, which is the main point it was off an error, because some people will no doubt be fearful, based on the current climate. You cannot account for how some people will be easily led by fear. What you then have to ask is whether the Police can dismiss the claim made based on the information provided.

Are you in favour of racial profiling then Didge even of British citizens? A bit like because of the colour of your skin, the way you look and the way you dress and what you are carrying I think you may be a terrorist so I'm asking you yo prove that you are not.

Stuff that because that smacks of something I would expect from the BNP or the EDL and that's not something I want to see in this country. It's absulutely the wrong thing and sends this country in the wrong direction. And as far as I can recall you were against random stop and search by the Police.

This woman was already on an aircraft and all the security checks had already been done so there was no need for what happened to her.

Wrong

How is this racial profilling when this is the public of memebers of staff contacting the Police

So again going on about me is quite pathetic and immature of you again making really childish accusations

The point that needs to be asked here is two things

One do the Police ignore or act on people contact them of what to them is a suspicious situation?

Are people wrongly going off in hindsight about the book itself when many people are not going to know this book and how easily it will be for people to wrongly in error think it could be suspicious?

For heavens sake what are you raving about now? I haven't gone on about you, I asked you a civil question about your past views on stop and search and I expected a civil answer. It's racial profiling by whover does it and the question has been asked: would this have happened to a white woman returning from a holiday? What do you think?

And if you think this is right then you agree that the authorities have the right to do as I said in my post,,,,,,,,correct?

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:


Wrong

How is this racial profilling when this is the public of memebers of staff contacting the Police

So again going on about me is quite pathetic and immature of you again making really childish accusations

The point that needs to be asked here is two things

One do the Police ignore or act on people contact them of what to them is a suspicious situation?

Are people wrongly going off in hindsight about the book itself when many people are not going to know this book and how easily it will be for people to wrongly in error think it could be suspicious?

For heavens sake what are you raving about now? I haven't gone on about you, I asked you a civil question about your past views on stop and search and I expected a civil answer. It's racial profiling by whover does it and the question has been asked: would this have happened to a white woman returning from a holiday? What do you think?

And if you think this is right then you agree  that the authorities have the right to do as I said in my post,,,,,,,,correct?

Er you claim stuff like that smacks of the EDl and BNP.
I bet you would not say the same to Victor, however if you did not mean, fine
I see you failed to answer my points which is why you are wrongly claiming it is wrong for the Police to go off memebers of the publics suspicions.

So you need to answer the following points again which I will further elaborate on.

1) Due to the heighten and increased number of terrorist attacks and the fact she was coming back from a country that has just had a recent coup and terrorism attacks. Do you think its very possible that the mere aspect of someone reading a book that has Syria in the title may lead to people coming to the wrong conclusion.

2) Does this also mean due to the heightened and increased fear that will arise from this situation, that it was also not very smart by the lady in question also drawing attention to herself reading such a book?

3) If you expect some people not to be led at times by fear, based on the situation, then you have no conception of what fear can do to people.

4) What do you expect the Police to do given the limited information they were given?

5) Ignore the information?

6) Act on the information to rule out any possibility of a threat?

7) Is the security and safety of this country of less importance than the short inconvenience that she suffered?

8 Have you even asked whether the people who reported this could even have been Muslims or of Middle eastern ethnicity themselves?

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:


Wrong

How is this racial profilling when this is the public of memebers of staff contacting the Police

So again going on about me is quite pathetic and immature of you again making really childish accusations

The point that needs to be asked here is two things

One do the Police ignore or act on people contact them of what to them is a suspicious situation?

Are people wrongly going off in hindsight about the book itself when many people are not going to know this book and how easily it will be for people to wrongly in error think it could be suspicious?

For heavens sake what are you raving about now? I haven't gone on about you, I asked you a civil question about your past views on stop and search and I expected a civil answer. It's racial profiling by whover does it and the question has been asked: would this have happened to a white woman returning from a holiday? What do you think?

And if you think this is right then you agree  that the authorities have the right to do as I said in my post,,,,,,,,correct?

Er you claim stuff like that smacks of the EDl and BNP.
I bet you would not say the same to Victor, however if you did not mean, fine
I see you failed to answer my points which is why you are wrongly claiming it is wrong for the Police to go off memebers of the publics suspicions.

So you need to answer the following points again which I will further elaborate on.

1) Due to the heighten and increased number of terrorist attacks and the fact she was coming back from a country that has just had a recent coup and terrorism attacks. Do you think its very possible that the mere aspectof someone reading a book that has Syria in the title may lead to people coming to the wrong conclusion.

2) Does this also mean due to the heightened and increased fear that will arise from this situation, that it was also not very smart by the lady in question also drawing attention to herself reading such a book?

3) If you expect people not be led at times by fear, based on the situation, then you have no conception of what fear can do to people.

4) What do you expect the Police to do given the limited information they were given?

5) Ignore the information.

6) Act on the situation to rule out any possibility of a threat.

7) Is the security and safety of this country of less importance than the short inconvenience that she suffered?

Have you even asked whether the people who reported this could even have been Muslims or of Middle eastern ethnicity themselves?

OK I'm saying that to Victor as well although I don't see that he is in anyway involved with the BNP or the EDL. Are you suggesting that he is?

As for the rest of what you say,,,,,,,does all that apply to everyone on a flight, travelling around or walking around the street or is it likely to be more applicable to the one's that have dark skin, look different in the way they are dressed or what they may be carrying?

If it is then that is racial profiling.

So you failed to answer a single question which means you cannot refute my points

No problem

Didge wrote:So you failed to answer a single question which means you cannot refute my points

No problem

That's your standard reply Didge when you're stuck because you know that applying everything you said to everyone on a flight, travelling around or walking around the street is more likely to be more applicable to the one's that have dark skin, look different in the way they are dressed or what they may be carrying is racial profiling.

BTW you didn't answer about Victor. Is he involved with the BNP and/or the EDL? Yes or no?

I'll catch up with you later as there are several other issues that I need to take up with you but having been so busy lately I haven't had time.

Have a good day.

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:So you failed to answer a single question which means you cannot refute my points

No problem

That's your standard reply Didge when you're stuck because you know that applying everything you said to everyone on a flight, travelling around or walking around the street is more likely to be more applicable to the one's that have dark skin, look different in the way they are dressed or what they may be carrying is racial profiling.

BTW you didn't answer about Victor. Is he involved with the BNP and/or the EDL? Yes or no?

I'll catch up with you later as there are several other issues that I need to take up with you but having been so busy lately I haven't had time.

Have a good day.

1) Why are you asking me about Victor, ask him yourself and I have no idea.

2) Its no good trying to get around my questions when you failed to answer them

3) Answer them and then we can continue

4) You always think you can control the debate lol

5) Not on my watch

6) your main point above fails to understand the points I made where I am not even claiming its right for people to do, but that it will happen more and more, with how aspects will lead to this. You want to ignore that and just lok at everything in skin colour yourself, you never look to rationlize anything.

Well, based on what Didge, LF and co feel, we had better start doing the same to all the Irish, especially if they are reading a book.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/14/police-severe-terror-threat-ira-northern-ireland-bomb-attacks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/attack-on-mainland-from-irish-republicans-strong-possibility-as/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/bombing-in-northern-ireland-stokes-fears-of-a-new-ira-resurgence/



Look out if they are wearing a crucifix, probably RC and therefore IRA, after all, what's good for the goose and all that.

sassy wrote:Well, based on what Didge, LF and co feel, we had better start doing the same to all the Irish, especially if they are reading a book.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/14/police-severe-terror-threat-ira-northern-ireland-bomb-attacks

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/11/attack-on-mainland-from-irish-republicans-strong-possibility-as/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/07/bombing-in-northern-ireland-stokes-fears-of-a-new-ira-resurgence/



Look out if they are wearing a crucifix, probably RC and therefore IRA, after all, what's good for the goose and all that.

We better?

Do people fear the Irish sassy or real actual terror events that many people as we have seen recently?

Tell me, when was the last attack on the mainland UK, that would make people be in fear of the Irish?

If such attacks happen, i have no doubt it will create a fear of irish people again.

Again it shows you fail to grasp the point is not on whether something is right or wrong, but what a climate of fear creates

Can you understand this.

So the same points to you


1) Due to the heighten and increased number of terrorist attacks and the fact she was coming back from a country that has just had a recent coup and terrorism attacks. Do you think its very possible that the mere aspectof someone reading a book that has Syria in the title may lead to people coming to the wrong conclusion.

2) Does this also mean due to the heightened and increased fear that will arise from this situation, that it was also not very smart by the lady in question also drawing attention to herself reading such a book?

3) If you expect people not be led at times by fear, based on the situation, then you have no conception of what fear can do to people.

4) What do you expect the Police to do given the limited information they were given?

5) Ignore the information.

6) Act on the situation to rule out any possibility of a threat.

7) Is the security and safety of this country of less importance than the short inconvenience that she suffered?

8 Have you even asked whether the people who reported this could even have been Muslims or of Middle eastern ethnicity themselves?

You obviously didn't read the links. We gotta stop them Irish quick.

sassy wrote:You obviously didn't read the links. We gotta stop them Irish quick.

If you think we need to sassy, then do so.

Maybe you can arrest my 84 year old mother in the process, I mean after all she has lost two brothers to the IRA.

She does live in Eire though.

If you want the Police to question me, that is no problem at all either, as happy to help

Now why did you avoid my points again with what has to be the leftist motto again

Deflect, divert and cover up

You are doing the diverting, and now bringing family in. Numerous instances of Irish terrorism this year and police on high alert. Take any travelling in for interrogation.

sassy wrote:You are doing the diverting, and now bringing family in. Numerous instances of Irish terrorism this year and police on high alert. Take any travelling in for interrogation.

Incorrect

You brought up the threat for the IRA, which in the mainland Uk has not been an issue for sometime, even though it is still a threat
That is a deflection, because you wish to diminish the threat of global jihad to the world based off no more than a couple of hundred extremist Irish, compared to a few million extremist Muslims. Of which most victims of islamic extremism are Muslims
I am sure most of the victims families of Islamic extremism will be very welcoming to your points in regards to the Real Ira Sassy

Read the link, Irish terrorism expected on mainline Britain, police on high alert. always knew you don't read anything, too busy gobbing off.

sassy wrote:Read the link, Irish terrorism expected on mainline Britain, police on high alert.   always knew you don't read anything, too busy gobbing off.

What did i say previously sassy about acting on this?

never denied that we should act

The point you miss though as being as there has not been a bombing for 16 years on the mainland. What is going to make people fear more here.
Islamic extremism or the IRA

Its all about perspective which again you fail to grasp and again showing the fact that many Uk people will not even realise there is a threat and why?

No attacks here

Global Jihad and mass murders across the water in France, kind of makes people very fearful, it will happen here soon
I mean two cases of soldiers trying to be abducted and we have what incidents by the Real IRA here sassy recently?

The police were right to turn up - they have to. They're called and must come.

It's the ignorant public who are at fault for insisting the police come in the first place.

eddie wrote:The police were right to turn up - they have to. They're called and must come.

It's the ignorant public who are at fault for insisting the police come in the first place.

Its not ignorance Eddie, but fear taking control, but well done for seeing past all the bullshit

The Police are not at fault

Didge wrote:

eddie wrote:The police were right to turn up - they have to. They're called and must come.

It's the ignorant public who are at fault for insisting the police come in the first place.

Its not ignorance Eddie, but fear taking control, but well done for seeing past all the bullshit

The Police are not at fault

No, absolutely not! They're doing the job we pay them to do.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:of course the "consequences" of this were merely a few min of questioning ....
but of course her "feelings" were bent out of shape......awwwww, mustnt hurt anyones feelings must we


I wonder if she ever considers the feelings of GENUINE hurt felt by the real victims of her fellow religionists actions?

sure its not good that this sort of thing happens, and I'd rather it didnt BUT if the alternative is the possibility, no matter how vague that some more GENUINE feelings are going to be hurt becasue a potential threat was missed purely on the basis of some inconsequential incovenience to some individual then so be it....


I have been stopped and questuioned as to why I had my shot gun whilst walking down a country lane...
and had to go to the inconvenience of returning to my vehicle to show the police my licence...which I keep locked up away from the gun ....OH HOW MY FEELNGS WERE HURT....oh the HORROR to think they might consider me an armed criminal OH how TERRIBLE that they actually needed to see my licence rather than taking MY word for it OH the ANGUISH of having to walk 1/2 mile back to my vehicle...with copper in tow to get my licence...how utterly and terribly inconvenient...It spoilt my whole day sob sob snivel

Bet you wouldn't be twisting yourself into a pretzel with the guilt if it was pagans carrying out terrorist attacks. I bet if you actually had to live with that kind of situation, you'd be calling the terrorists crazy, saying they had nothing to do with paganism, and getting pretty riled up if someone treated you with suspicion just because you had that one thing in common with the murderers.

do you usually post such drivel....need I remind you that in the past 2000 years it has been the pagans of this country that have been subjected to what is effectively "terrorism"..... from EVERY abrahamic doctrine that exists.....
YET ...no pagan in recent times at least, has effected a terrorist attack in the name of his/her belief....(of course now , being a lefty you will bring up what they did 2000 years ago as relevant to today...)

I mean...why would we? what "cause is ther to generate such wrath....after all its only abrahamists and atheists that get themselve all twisted up......We....just quietly get on with things......and only fight those who attack us

Funny init...how the leftys are happy with discriminatory tactics applied to white native brits.....but get bent all out of shape when its some one "of another culture/colour/whatever"

It is OK for ME to be targeted/profiled
but not this person?????????????????????

odd that....


and NO there is NO difference........

and no irn...i'm no friend of any far R/W "cause"

Lord Foul wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Bet you wouldn't be twisting yourself into a pretzel with the guilt if it was pagans carrying out terrorist attacks. I bet if you actually had to live with that kind of situation, you'd be calling the terrorists crazy, saying they had nothing to do with paganism, and getting pretty riled up if someone treated you with suspicion just because you had that one thing in common with the murderers.

do you usually post such drivel....need I remind you that in the past 2000 years it has been the pagans of this country that have been subjected to what is effectively "terrorism"..... from EVERY abrahamic doctrine that exists.....
YET ...no pagan in recent times at least, has effected a terrorist attack in the name of his/her belief....(of course now , being a lefty you will bring up what they did 2000 years ago as relevant to today...)

I mean...why would we?  what "cause is ther to generate such wrath....after all its only abrahamists and atheists that get themselve all twisted up......We....just quietly get on with things......and only fight those who attack us

lack of historical Knowledge

They have never read Tactius

Or have no knowledge of Anglesey

Or why i am being asked at your political affilliations

Hey ho, its been a long day, so I shall leave you to answer anymore unrelated deflections created by the left when they as seen cannot answer simply questions

All the best

Lord Foul wrote:and no irn...i'm no friend of any far R/W "cause"

I know you are not Victor which is why I was puzzled at Didge draging you into the discussion we were having at the time only to then later try and wash his hands of it all.

It was a very odd thing for him to do but never mind, all cleared up now.

Irn Bru wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:and no irn...i'm no friend of any far R/W "cause"

I know you are not Victor which is why I was puzzled at Didge draging you into the discussion we were having at the time only to then later try and wash his hands of it all.

It was a very odd thing for him to do but never mind, all cleared up now.

Actually it shows your hypocriosy as both Victor and I agree on this and you only single me out

I actually find that very funny.

Either you fear debating incase you may fall out, or you may not like what he says

Who knows

And also, you brought up asking whether he was in the EDL and BNP

I never did, so maybe you can explain that also Irn lol