The shallowness of the long distance remainder

I have read a good deal of remainder blogs and what has struck me is just how shallow their reasons for "remaining" actually are. You have to remember these are the very same people who throw epithets about "older voters" and it should be noted who's younger members coulnt be bothered to get out of their drunken/stoned/reality TV induced comas long enough to vote and how bad WE were for spoiling their future (which we will look at shortly.....)
when you read thes blogs, what do you see...what is the gist of their howling fury

well try this


So. You want me to be happy?
June 26, 2016 ~ Claire Broadley

On Friday morning, I was given notice that my EU citizenship will be taken away.

The house in the sun – the one that I planned to retire to – is no longer for sale. My 2-year-old son will no longer be allowed to move freely through the EU when he grows up, as I was fortunate enough to do in my 20s.

The house that I am sitting in will lose 18% of its value. The food in my kitchen will cost 10% more. My country’s economy was 5th in the world; it is now 6th. And we have yet to see how far it will sink tomorrow.

https://clairebroadley.com/2016/06/26/so-you-want-me-to-be-happy/

see that the thing that comes TOP of her priorities, even above the immagined restriction of her sons future holidays...yes that "retirement home" awww........


or this self piytying childish immature rant

Andrew Reid Wildman, artist, photographer, writer, teacher
Are we OK, you and I, after you voted to destroy my dreams?

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet. @artistofhull

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/are-we-ok-you-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

how shallow


and YET

these fools clearly havnt seen THIS


European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit
EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged.
By Nick Gutteridge
PUBLISHED: 14:01, Tue, Jun 28, 2016 | UPDATED: 07:48, Wed, Jun 29, 2016


The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.


Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.

The plot has sparked fury and panic in Poland - a traditional ally of Britain in the fight against federalism - after being leaked to Polish news channel TVP Info.


Polish politicians say the plans include loss of control of a number of key policy areas


Polish foreign minister Witold Waszczykowski has blasted the plan

The public broadcaster reported the bombshell proposal would be presented to a meeting of the Visegrad group of countries - made up of Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia - by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

In the preamble to the text the two ministers write: "Our countries share a common destiny and a common set of values ??that give rise to an even closer union between our citizens. We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."

The revelations come just days after Britain shook the Brussels establishment by voting to leave the European Union in a move some have predicted could leave to the break-up of the EU.

A number of member states are deeply unhappy about the creeping federalism of the European project with anti-EU sentiments running high in eastern Europe, Scandinavia and France.



Responding to the plot Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski raged: "This is not a good solution, of course, because from the time the EU was invented a lot has changed.

“The mood in European societies is different. Europe and our voters do not want to give the Union over into the hands of technocrats.

“Therefore, I want to talk about this, whether this really is the right recipe right now in the context of a Brexit."

There are deep divides at the heart of the EU at the moment over how to proceed with the project in light of the Brexit vote.

Some figures have cautioned against trying to force through further political integration, warning that to do so against the wishes of the European people will only fuel further Eurosceptic feeling.

   This is not a good solution

   Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski

A few weeks before the Brexit vote European Council president Donald Tusk warned that European citizens did not share the enthusiasm of some of their leaders for “a utopia of Europe without conflicting interests and ambitions, a utopia of Europe imposing its own values on the external world, a utopia of Euro-Asian unity”.

He added: “Increasingly louder are those who question the very principle of a united Europe. The spectre of a break-up is haunting Europe and a vision of a federation doesn’t seem to me to be the best answer to it.”

His view was backed up by the leader of the eurozone countries, Dutch politician Jerome Dijsselbloem, who added: “In the eurozone some are pushing for a completion of the monetary union by creating a full political union, a euro area economic government or even a euro budget… to me it is obvious.

“We need to strengthen what we have and finish it, but let’s not build more extensions to the European house while it is so unstable.”


Meanwhile Lorenzo Condign, the former director general of Italy’s treasury, has said it is nearly impossible to see Europe opting for more integration at such a time of upheaval.

He said: “It seems difficult to imagine that the rest of the EU will close ranks and move in the direction of greater integration quickly. Simply, there is no political will.

“Indeed, the risk is exactly the opposite - namely that centrifugal forces will prevail and make integration even more difficult.”

But others see the Brexit vote as an opportunity to push ahead with the European elite’s long-cherished dream of creating a United States of Europe.

Spain’s foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo has called for “more Europe” whilst Italy’s finance minister, Carlo Padoan, is advocating a common budget for the eurozone states.

And Emmanuel Macron, France’s economy minister, wants to go even further and set up a common eurozone treasury which would oversee the permanent transfer of funds from wealthier northern Europe to shore up Mediterranean economies.


source.... http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit



notice that last line.....


in other words a deliberate destruction of standards of living here to prop up the "mediterranean" economies

well lefty remainders ...no matter what ...there goes your nhs

there goes your social safety net

there goes your essential services...all sent to prop up spain portugal and ...of course ....sooner or later ...Turkey......

and you with no say whatsoever....since it would be "brussels", NOT the pathetic EU parliament but the faceless unelected fat twats that had the final say.....


just like you want to say to us......YOUR VOTE WOULDNT COUNT

The middle class 'lefties' are just champagne socialists who only care about themselves...

They have no idea about reality in their cosy well paid jobs in expensive trendy areas...

Well I stand by my vote, and I'm not crying. I wonder if that man would have had any sympathy if the vote had gone the other way. I doubt it.

It is clear from the rest of the op what the eu plan is...


And it is not what the people of any country in Europe want!!!

Why do I get laughed at when I say that one day, there will be ONE GOVERNMENT, one world government?
Already, they are hoping to morph the whole of Europe into one big fuck off superstate, and am I surprised? Lots and lots of people saw this coming, going back years and years ago.

eddie wrote:Why do I get laughed at when I say that one day, there will be ONE GOVERNMENT, one world government?
Already, they are hoping to morph the whole of Europe into one big fuck off superstate, and am I surprised? Lots and lots of people saw this coming, going back years and years ago.

Well, because when you look at things like Brexit, where the government can't even keep the UK in line, the idea that any government could unite the entire world is pretty laughable when you think about it.

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Why do I get laughed at when I say that one day, there will be ONE GOVERNMENT, one world government?
Already, they are hoping to morph the whole of Europe into one big fuck off superstate, and am I surprised? Lots and lots of people saw this coming, going back years and years ago.

Well, because when you look at things like Brexit, where the government can't even keep the UK in line, the idea that any government could unite the entire world is pretty laughable when you think about it.

Not really. The bigger the gang, the more power they have.
The EU is just a beginning and we haven't left yet.

eddie wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Why do I get laughed at when I say that one day, there will be ONE GOVERNMENT, one world government?
Already, they are hoping to morph the whole of Europe into one big fuck off superstate, and am I surprised? Lots and lots of people saw this coming, going back years and years ago.

Well, because when you look at things like Brexit, where the government can't even keep the UK in line, the idea that any government could unite the entire world is pretty laughable when you think about it.

Not really. The bigger the gang, the more power they have.
The EU is just a  beginning and we haven't left yet.

Then you get into the issue of whether there's a certain limit to how big a "gang" can get though, don't you?

The larger a government gets, the more voices get left out and the more people call for secession.

Ben if you really think that the world is going to trundle on in the same way forever and ever, with technology gaining more and more importance, and the climate becoming more and more unpredictable and resources, in all probability, running low (or out, in some cases).......then you really don't see human nature with two, unblinking eyes.

lets hope for a big rock then.........

What for? To hit Ben on the head with?

no .......to land square on brussels...something around 500m across at about 25km/second

Lord Foul wrote:I have read a good deal of remainder blogs and what has struck me is just how shallow their reasons for "remaining" actually are. You have to remember these are the very same people who throw epithets about "older voters" and it should be noted who's younger members coulnt be bothered to get out of their drunken/stoned/reality TV induced comas long enough to vote and how bad WE were for spoiling their future (which we will look at shortly.....)
when you read thes blogs, what do you see...what is the gist of their howling fury

well try this


So. You want me to be happy?
June 26, 2016 ~ Claire Broadley

On Friday morning, I was given notice that my EU citizenship will be taken away.

The house in the sun – the one that I planned to retire to – is no longer for sale. My 2-year-old son will no longer be allowed to move freely through the EU when he grows up, as I was fortunate enough to do in my 20s.

The house that I am sitting in will lose 18% of its value. The food in my kitchen will cost 10% more. My country’s economy was 5th in the world; it is now 6th. And we have yet to see how far it will sink tomorrow.

https://clairebroadley.com/2016/06/26/so-you-want-me-to-be-happy/

see that the thing that comes TOP of her priorities, even above the immagined restriction of her sons future holidays...yes that "retirement home" awww........


or this self piytying childish immature rant

Andrew Reid Wildman, artist, photographer, writer, teacher
Are we OK, you and I, after you voted to destroy my dreams?

I feel like someone has taken something dear to me, my identity, my connection to my continent, and they have killed it. If you voted Leave, I hope you are prepared to take responsibility for what you have done, and that you do not regret it. It is over to you now, to sort out. Some friends view my reaction as an affront. That I am ‘dissing” them. It is not. It is just that you have killed something that was precious to me. You have created a country around me that I do not recognise, which feels broken and insular. That was your right to do that, you voted the way you thought was best. And you won and I lost. But in so doing you destroyed something. Many of you are now regretting your vote. Save your tears, I do not want to hear them lest I scream in frustration at your folly. At least stand by what you have done. Are we OK with each other, can we overlook our differences? I hope so, but perhaps not quite yet, not while I am grieving what you voted to do, while I wake up in terror in the night, sick to the stomach every time I see a map of all the wonderful cities I am no longer allowed to dream of living in one day, not while I anxiously contemplate the future of my job, and the livelihoods of my friends. I no longer recognise this new land you voted for, and I do not really feel I want to remain here. My focus now is work for the country of my parents’, Scotland and to help secure its future as part of Europe. I am not at all sure I want to be part of this country that has a whiff of UKIP. So I hope we can remain friends, and that perhaps in a week or a month or so I can bear to read your timelines again. I hope so. I hope my anger and grief and fear will dissipate to the point where I feel relaxed around you once more. But understand my anger. Understand that your actions have shattered my dreams. Be mindful that my life changed on Thursday. At the moment I really need to be around people who understand how I feel so I can take comfort from them and get hope. That my anger ruffles your feathers is not a priority for me at the moment, so ignore me, for a week, a month, enjoy your celebrations, and let’s try and build bridges soon. But not quite yet. @artistofhull

https://reidwildman.wordpress.com/2016/06/25/are-we-ok-you-and-i-after-you-voted-to-destroy-my-dreams/

how shallow


and YET

these fools clearly havnt seen THIS


European SUPERSTATE to be unveiled: EU nations 'to be morphed into one' post-Brexit
EUROPEAN political chiefs are to take advantage of Brexit by unveiling their long-held plan to morph the continent’s countries into one GIANT SUPERSTATE, it has emerged.
By Nick Gutteridge
PUBLISHED: 14:01, Tue, Jun 28, 2016 | UPDATED: 07:48, Wed, Jun 29, 2016


The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an “ultimatum”.

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.


Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.

The plot has sparked fury and panic in Poland - a traditional ally of Britain in the fight against federalism - after being leaked to Polish news channel TVP Info.


Polish politicians say the plans include loss of control of a number of key policy areas


Polish foreign minister Witold Waszczykowski has blasted the plan

The public broadcaster reported the bombshell proposal would be presented to a meeting of the Visegrad group of countries - made up of Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia - by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

In the preamble to the text the two ministers write: "Our countries share a common destiny and a common set of values ??that give rise to an even closer union between our citizens. We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."

The revelations come just days after Britain shook the Brussels establishment by voting to leave the European Union in a move some have predicted could leave to the break-up of the EU.

A number of member states are deeply unhappy about the creeping federalism of the European project with anti-EU sentiments running high in eastern Europe, Scandinavia and France.



Responding to the plot Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski raged: "This is not a good solution, of course, because from the time the EU was invented a lot has changed.

“The mood in European societies is different. Europe and our voters do not want to give the Union over into the hands of technocrats.

“Therefore, I want to talk about this, whether this really is the right recipe right now in the context of a Brexit."

There are deep divides at the heart of the EU at the moment over how to proceed with the project in light of the Brexit vote.

Some figures have cautioned against trying to force through further political integration, warning that to do so against the wishes of the European people will only fuel further Eurosceptic feeling.

   This is not a good solution

   Polish Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski

A few weeks before the Brexit vote European Council president Donald Tusk warned that European citizens did not share the enthusiasm of some of their leaders for “a utopia of Europe without conflicting interests and ambitions, a utopia of Europe imposing its own values on the external world, a utopia of Euro-Asian unity”.

He added: “Increasingly louder are those who question the very principle of a united Europe. The spectre of a break-up is haunting Europe and a vision of a federation doesn’t seem to me to be the best answer to it.”

His view was backed up by the leader of the eurozone countries, Dutch politician Jerome Dijsselbloem, who added: “In the eurozone some are pushing for a completion of the monetary union by creating a full political union, a euro area economic government or even a euro budget… to me it is obvious.

“We need to strengthen what we have and finish it, but let’s not build more extensions to the European house while it is so unstable.”


Meanwhile Lorenzo Condign, the former director general of Italy’s treasury, has said it is nearly impossible to see Europe opting for more integration at such a time of upheaval.

He said: “It seems difficult to imagine that the rest of the EU will close ranks and move in the direction of greater integration quickly. Simply, there is no political will.

“Indeed, the risk is exactly the opposite - namely that centrifugal forces will prevail and make integration even more difficult.”

But others see the Brexit vote as an opportunity to push ahead with the European elite’s long-cherished dream of creating a United States of Europe.

Spain’s foreign minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo has called for “more Europe” whilst Italy’s finance minister, Carlo Padoan, is advocating a common budget for the eurozone states.

And Emmanuel Macron, France’s economy minister, wants to go even further and set up a common eurozone treasury which would oversee the permanent transfer of funds from wealthier northern Europe to shore up Mediterranean economies.


source....   http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/683739/EU-referendum-German-French-European-superstate-Brexit



notice that last line.....


in other words a deliberate destruction of standards of living here to prop up the "mediterranean" economies

well lefty remainders ...no matter what ...there goes your nhs

there goes your social safety net

there goes your essential services...all sent to prop up spain portugal and ...of course ....sooner or later ...Turkey......

and you with no say whatsoever....since it would be "brussels", NOT the pathetic EU parliament but the faceless unelected fat twats that had the final say.....


just like you want to say to us......YOUR VOTE WOULDNT COUNT

interesting read and if only I could let mr wollow know I am entirely haoppy with the way I voted and the consequences it brings. Somehow I dont think people will suddenly be stopped from travelling around europe. It will be no different than going to turkey, america or a host of countries that dont have open borders, you will arrive at the border and have to show your passport, you may even be required to have got a visa before you travelled. In turkey you used to be able to get that at the airport. Or more likely as with america you will need to let them know online that you are coming.
Few of those whining actually will lose out much. Sure their holiday may require a stop at a border, but that's not the end of the world. I used to travel all over europe in my rock and roll days and we had to stop at every single border and get our carnets checked. It was a pain but it was not the end of the world.

As to the dream of living in a european country, I am not sure that would be banned after brexit, IT would just mean you would need to get a residence permit and possible health insurance. Again not the end of the world and better than have the NHS leeched dry by the world and his wives.

As to turkey joining, I doubt they could if the EU apply the rules and I am not sure the turkish people actually want to join. I have yet to find one who lives for the day those 12 stars replace their flag.

AdmiralGeneral President for life Bir Dakika Bey for all his faults is excellent at playing the EU at their own game and often boasts on television how he gets them to pay for major capitol projects saving turkey billions.
Last summer the EU paid to have a sewage system and treatment works installed all along the mersin coast, it may have extended further afield as well for all I know. Most of last spring and summer we had diggers digging up the seafront and beaches installing large pipes which are now finished and as you walk past the covers you can hear the water running through them,. It must have cost the EU a pretty penny. However the fly in the ointment is that too my knowledge no apartments have actually been connected to the system so they still rely on their, for want of a better word, septic tanks for the sewage. Maybe one day they will connect up the buildings to them but there is no sign of that as yet.

eddie wrote:Why do I get laughed at when I say that one day, there will be ONE GOVERNMENT, one world government?
Already, they are hoping to morph the whole of Europe into one big fuck off superstate, and am I surprised? Lots and lots of people saw this coming, going back years and years ago.

there may be but it wont be in your lifetime or you great grand childrens life time.

Ben Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:Why do I get laughed at when I say that one day, there will be ONE GOVERNMENT, one world government?
Already, they are hoping to morph the whole of Europe into one big fuck off superstate, and am I surprised? Lots and lots of people saw this coming, going back years and years ago.

Well, because when you look at things like Brexit, where the government can't even keep the UK in line, the idea that any government could unite the entire world is pretty laughable when you think about it.

the government is supposed to be the servant of the people not the other way round.

I have absolutely no problem stopping at a border. In fact, I think it's a good idea.

eddie wrote:Ben if you really think that the world is going to trundle on in the same way forever and ever, with technology gaining more and more importance, and the climate becoming more and more unpredictable and resources, in all probability, running low (or out, in some cases).......then you really don't see human nature with two, unblinking eyes.

Well, I don't see it that way at all -- I see a chaos storm that seems to move across the globe, leaving order in some places, anarchy in others, pretty much always and (like chaos) down to thousands of different factors.

I see no way for one entity to control all of that -- do you?

I'm not saying nobody would ever try, but what would the point be, really?

The point? Total power, carved out of fear that someone else will get total power because having power (and siding and aiding that power) will be paramount to survival.

eddie wrote:The point? Total power, carved out of fear that someone else will get total power because having power (and siding and aiding that power) will be paramount to survival.

Or to end the Base nature of homo sapiens domination

A 'Skynet' like system could be better for all life, and best hope of managing a colony off this rock.

the Op seems to present a pretty fair and reasonable argument as to why leaving was short sighted, small minded and insular. and will negativiely impact future generation of enlgish as they are denied oppurtunities abroad in an ever globalising economy

I would say that staying in the eu would be all those things...


Can you give any evidence to the contrary in support of your claim...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

I would say that staying in the eu would be all those things...

Can you give any evidence to the contrary in support of your claim...!?

Other than your passport not working?

You voted to on your own now you are, all that is just part of being on your own

veya_victaous wrote:the Op seems to present a pretty fair and reasonable argument as to why leaving was short sighted, small minded and insular. and will negativiely impact future generation of enlgish as they are denied oppurtunities abroad in an ever globalising economy

So many humorous BREXIT cartoons to chose from ...had a rough time selecting
but had to stop ...there were just far too many and the enjoyment needs to be shared!

My ole' Aussie buddy sent me this one from his FB page ...glorious

eddie wrote:I have absolutely no problem stopping at a border. In fact, I think it's a good idea.

All this fuss over Brexit.

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:I have absolutely no problem stopping at a border. In fact, I think it's a good idea.

All this fuss over Brexit.    

Change scares people.

eddie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

All this fuss over Brexit.    

Change scares people.

That's actually a human fact. I have a friend who's trains top end management in business and one of her courses is about fear of change.

The FTSE 100 is now higher than it was before we exited.....one less thing for the remainders to crow/worry about today.

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

All this fuss over Brexit.    

Change scares people.

That's actually a human fact.    I have a friend who's trains top end management in business and one of her courses is about fear of change.

It is why humans will keep on accepting that which they don't like without actively changing it or themsleves, and why they're scared of movement.

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

I would say that staying in the eu would be all those things...

Can you give any evidence to the contrary in support of your claim...!?

Other than your passport not working?

You voted to on your own now you are, all that is just part of being on your own

Passport is working fine...


And we voted to govern ourselves... that is all.

Syl wrote:The FTSE 100 is now higher than it was before we exited.....one less thing for the remainders to crow/worry about today.

Well I'm sure some white English person somewhere, will accidentally step on, and break the toe, of a polish lady,  and it will be a headline:


        "BREXIT VOTER MAKES NO BONES ABOUT BEING A BONE-BREAKER
            ........Another deliberate racist attack on the crowded bus!!!"

And that neanderthal is no different today than he was before last Thursday.