EgyptAir Crash Terrorist Attack

Just makes your heart sink.

It's not certain yet if there was a mechanical failure. Plane disappeared off radar almost at its destination, Cairo. Flight was coming from Paris. 66 on Board.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3598117/EgyptAir-flight-MS804-Paris-Cairo-goes-missing.html

Why is this thread title contain the words "Terrorist Attack" when we do not know yet?

Headlines as such can scare the bejabbers out of some especially if they are flying today or there loved ones are..

Tiz conjecture at this stage.

There's no info that there was any communication from the pilot, which suggests a sudden catastrophic event of some kind.

Any updates?
Sorry can't google as I'm having to be in a million places at once this morning

Stormee wrote:
Why is this thread title contain the words "Terrorist Attack" when we do not know yet?

Headlines as such can scare the bejabbers out of some especially if they are flying today or there loved ones are..

Tiz conjecture at this stage

MY FIRST THOUGHT TOO, Mr. Stormee...

Typical scaremongering guesswork on Horatio's part, is it not ?

eddie wrote:Any updates?
Sorry can't google as I'm having to be in a million places at once this morning

Not much. The Greek Merchant Navy reported seeing a "flame in the sky", and it's presumed that the plane is at the bottom of the sea. They're out searching for it.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Stormee wrote:
Why is this thread title contain the words "Terrorist Attack" when we do not know yet?

Headlines as such can scare the bejabbers out of some especially if they are flying today or there loved ones are..

Tiz conjecture at this stage

MY FIRST THOUGHT TOO, Mr. Stormee...

Typical scaremongering guesswork on Horatio's part, is it not ?        

Scaremongering? Do you watch the news?

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:Any updates?
Sorry can't google as I'm having to be in a million places at once this morning

Not much. The Greek Merchant Navy reported seeing a "flame in the sky", and it's presumed that the plane is at the bottom of the sea. They're out searching for it.

It simply dropped off the radar. No warnings. No distress call.

HoratioTarr wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


MY FIRST THOUGHT TOO, Mr. Stormee...

Typical scaremongering guesswork on Horatio's part, is it not ?        

Scaremongering?  Do you watch the news?  

Only when matron steps outside for a spliff, lol

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:Any updates?
Sorry can't google as I'm having to be in a million places at once this morning

Not much. The Greek Merchant Navy reported seeing a "flame in the sky", and it's presumed that the plane is at the bottom of the sea. They're out searching for it.

Cheers rags, horrible isn't it?

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not much. The Greek Merchant Navy reported seeing a "flame in the sky", and it's presumed that the plane is at the bottom of the sea. They're out searching for it.

Cheers rags, horrible isn't it?

Yes. I suppose the fact that the plane came from Paris has made people jump to the conclusion that it's a terrorist attack - that and the sudden nature of the disappearance. There are reports that the plane swerved a lot before it disappeared, so that's quite suggestive too.

eddie wrote:Any updates?
Sorry can't google as I'm having to be in a million places at once this morning

Debris has been found in the search for the EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean Sea with 66 people on board after the jet went into a sudden spin and plunged 22,000ft before vanishing off the radar. Flight MS804 came down near the Greek island of Karpathos, ten miles into Egyptian airspace at around 00.30am GMT, without making a distress call.

Greek defence minister Panos Kammenos said the Airbus A320 made 'sudden swerves' in mid-air, lurching 90 degrees to the left then 360 degrees to the right as it fell out of the sky.

He said the plane dropped from 37,000 feet to 15,000ft before the signal was lost at around 10,000 feet.The revelation came after a former air accident chief said all the evidence was pointed to the plane being targeted in a terrorist attack.

Oh dear. Those poor passengers.

Is it me, or has this been kept rather more quiet than usual?

Indications are beginning to point away from a terrorist attack.  No group has claimed credit, which would be unusual if it was ISIS or al Qaeda.

There's something else that's fishy about it.  If you are al Qaeda or ISIS, why target an airplane that is carrying some 50 Sunnis?  Why would you want to alienate your own religious base--your own people?  They could have targeted Iran in some way, or western targets with huge 747s flying out of de Gaulle airport everyday.

And another thing: this aircraft was hardly loaded (only 66 passengers out of a possible 247), and while that does not minimize the loss, there could be much more rewarding targets. Why target a Sunni loaded aircraft, with very few passengers on board?

Reports now say there was smoke detected in the bathroom and electronics bay of the aircraft...suggesting fire.

I,m with Quill on this.

I am with the truth and will wait for it, tiz deffo strange though.

There are reports emerging that the pilot did speak to air traffic control before the plane crashed, but the reports differ slightly. There's talk that there was smoke in the front of the plane and that the pilot was going to make an emergency landing of some kind. Another report suggests that there was an explosion.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptair-flight-ms804-pilot-spoke-with-air-traffic-control-for-several-minutes-before-crash-a7041936.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/egyptair-crash---smoke-detected-inside-the-aircraft-cabin-as-sea/

The fear on that plane. It's horrible to imagine

eddie wrote:The fear on that plane. It's horrible to imagine

I cannot even contemplate; my fear of flying ...just makes me nauseous thinking about boarding one and then to have that happen
Prayers for those waiting for news - prayers for those picking up the remains

I don't like the idea of flying either, and I'm not particularly bothered about going to a different country anyway.

Looks like they have found the flight data recorder. French ship is heading to the location.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't like the idea of flying either, and I'm not particularly bothered about going to a different country anyway.

I hate it too. I think it's worse as you get older. Note to self: Stop watching Air Crash Investigation.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't like the idea of flying either, and I'm not particularly bothered about going to a different country anyway.

I hate it too.  I think it's worse as you get older.   Note to self: Stop watching Air Crash Investigation.

did make me chuckle

Sorry if this has already been pointed out, but less maintenance equals more money for airline executives and stockholders ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sorry if this has already been pointed out, but less maintenance equals more money for airline executives and stockholders ...

Have they determined that it was a maintenance problem?

EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea

‘Not entirely normal to turn around several times after a technical incident.’

The missing EgyptAir Airbus that crashed into the Mediterranean Sea two weeks ago was forced to turn around and make an emergency landing at least three times in the 24 hours before it disappeared, according to reports.
French media claim the aircraft made six rotations between Asmara, in Eritrea, Cairo, Tunis and Paris, before it suddenly disappeared from radar screens on May 19.
According to France 3, in its different rotations between 18-19 May, ACARS -Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System - messages sent to the ground signalled anomalies on board shortly after takeoff from three airports.

Airlive said the exact nature of the calls was unknown, but each alert led to “a technical audit on the ground”. Despite this, the plane was repeatedly allowed to take off again and continue on its journey. 
The claims were put to former aviation security official Jean-Paul Troadec, who Euronews quoted as saying: “These new findings are an important element for the investigators.
“We cannot presume to know know exactly what happened on board but it’s not entirely normal to turn around several times after a technical incident without finding anything.”
The missing Airbus 320 was flying from Paris to Cairo when it disappeared over the Mediterranean with 66 people on board, triggering a flurry of speculation as to the cause, including suggestions it was brought down by terrorists.

More at: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/egyptair-flight-ms804-made-three-emergency-landings-in-24-hours-before-crashing-into-the-mediterranean-sea_uk_574fdf1de4b040e3e818f59f




Makes it look more like a technical fault

Ben_Reilly wrote:Sorry if this has already been pointed out, but less maintenance equals more money for airline executives and stockholders ...

Something rotten about this and it's not the foul odor of spoiled fish either!

by sassy on Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:31 pm
EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea

‘Not entirely normal to turn around several times after a technical incident.’

Not that those foreign countries have had the fuel cost savings that our country has seen ...but as Ben stated - cutting cost and the net affect is maintenance suffers and that is just something that will cost lives.

Luggage can pile up - luggage may get lost - people may have to wait in long lines and be more inconvenienced but putting humans into the air and skipping on maintaining that essential equipment = WHY I DO NOT FLY! 

All that article is saying is that one or more warning sensors were triggered on undisclosed system/s... and then after plane landed the systems were checked and no problems identified/found...


Maybe parts were even replaced, just in case, and sensor/s still went off triggering warning alerts...


Without the disclosure of what warnings on what systems etc... and what checks were done/parts replaced etc...it is impossible to say what relevance any of this may have...

Apologies if this has been spoken about

'Debris' Found In Sea Not From Missing Jet
Wreckage found near the Mediterranean island of Karpathos is not from missing EgyptAir Flight MS804, the airline says.

EgyptAir has confirmed the wreckage of missing Flight MS804 has not been found, just hours after saying debris discovered in the Mediterranean belonged to the aircraft.

An airline official told CNN: "We stand corrected."

It comes after multiple reports in Greece and Egypt claimed to have discovered debris including floating objects and life vests.

http://news.sky.com/story/1698511/debris-found-in-sea-not-from-missing-jet

Still no evidence of a terrorist attack. Trump guaranteed that it was. If he's wrong, he can kiss my bony little ass.

What about the body parts that were found...?


Is it normal for loads of body parts to be found floating about in the water in the area where a plane went down... but not to be from the missing plane!?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3606113/MS804-did-NOT-swerve-lose-altitude-vanished-says-Egypt-air-traffic-official-memorial-service-held-66-victims-Cairo-mosque.html

I am confused too. I thought this was done and dusted.

Do you get the feeling that you are being bullshitted eddie...?


I do...

EgyptAir crash: Black box cockpit voice recorder from flight MS804 'found in Mediterranean Sea'
Ministry of Civil Aviation says the box was found 13,000 ft deep into the ocean with memory storage intact



The black box containing the cockpit voice recorder from the crashed EgyptAir flight has been found in the Mediterranean, investigators in Egypt say.
The Egyptian investigation committee said a specialist vessel owned by Mauritius-based Deep Ocean Search made the discovery, which is now being transferred to the coastal city of Alexandria where the public prosecution and investigators will receive it
Egypt's Ministry of Civil Aviation said the box, one of two on the plane, was found 13,000 ft deep into the ocean, partly broken but with its memory storage intact.

An investigative team has been dispatched.
The wreckage of the EgyptAir flight was discovered yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/egyptair-crash-flight-ms804-black-box-cockpit-voice-recorder-found-mediterranean-sea-latest-a7085611.html

Tommy Monk wrote:Do you get the feeling that you are being bullshitted eddie...?


I do...

A lot of the time, yes. I feel like an Englishman in New York, as Sting once wisely sang.

flight data recirder now found....


"The two flight data recorders from the EgyptAir jet that crashed into the Mediterranean have now been recovered, investigators say.

A team searching the area where the passenger plane is believed to have come down said on Friday that the second recorder was "retrieved in several pieces".

But it managed to "successfully retrieve" the memory unit which investigators said was the "most important" component.

The device records information about the speed, altitude and direction of the plane.

The discovery comes a day after the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder was spotted and recovered."


http://news.sky.com/story/1713407/second-black-box-from-crashed-egyptair-jet-found

So...they've now got the flight data recorder and the voice cockpit recorder? That's good. Look forward to hearing from them.