Left wing fascists at it again

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 3:09 pm

Left-wing demonstrators burned tyres and threw firecrackers as they tried to prevent delegates of the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party from getting into the congress in the western city of Stuttgart.

The AfD meeting comes a week after the far-right Freedom Party's Norbert Hofer sent shock waves through Austria's political establishment by winning the first round of a presidential ballot.

The demonstrators temporarily blocked access roads to the site of the anti-immigration Alternative for Germany (AfD) party's annual conference, by setting car tyres on fire and forming human chains, police spokesman Lambert Maute said.

Heavily-armoured riot police used tear gas to hold off protesters, many dressed in black and masking their faces, as officers escorted AfD members into the congress hall.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/30/left-wing-protesters-clash-with-german-police-before-right-wing/

They think they have the right to control what others think in a democratic society... or else!!!

Scum!!!

by Original Quill Sun May 01, 2016 3:46 pm

Merriam-Webster wrote:fas·cist
ˈfaSHəst/
noun
1.
an advocate or follower of fascism.
synonyms: authoritarian, totalitarian, autocrat, extreme right-winger, rightist; More
adjective
1.
of or relating to fascism.
"a military coup threw out the old fascist regime"
synonyms: authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic, illiberal;

A fascist is by definition RW.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 4:26 pm

Wrong!

by 'Wolfie Sun May 01, 2016 4:52 pm

YOU'RE wrong again, Tommy...

BY definition, Fascists are ultra- right wing.

Mussolini was a fascist;
Hitler was a racist fascist;
Oswald Mosley was your country's most infamous fascist..

ALL were far right wing idealogues.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists study

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 5:16 pm

authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

These left wing fascists are all these things...!

by Original Quill Sun May 01, 2016 6:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

These left wing fascists are all these things...!

And pigs can fly...

Left wing fascists at it again Flying-pig

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 8:27 pm

Read the OP...

They are left wing, they are hostile, and are using violence to attempt to prevent others having a perfectly legal democratic party's meeting of members!

They are authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

They are fascists!!!

by Major Sun May 01, 2016 8:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Read the OP...

They are left wing, they are hostile, and are using violence to attempt to prevent others having a perfectly legal democratic party's meeting of members!

They are authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

Are you getting confused with forum management? Tommy.

They are fascists!!!

by Original Quill Sun May 01, 2016 9:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Read the OP...

They are left wing, they are hostile, and are using violence to attempt to prevent others having a perfectly legal democratic party's meeting of members!

They are authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

They are fascists!!!

Ahhh...but they are not right-wing extremists or even rightist, nor are they illiberal. Don't qualify, tommy. It's definitional. Evil or Very Mad

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 9:58 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Read the OP...

They are left wing, they are hostile, and are using violence to attempt to prevent others having a perfectly legal democratic party's meeting of members!

They are authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

They are fascists!!!

Quill said...

Ahhh...but they are not right-wing extremists or even rightist, nor are they illiberal. Don't qualify, tommy. It's definitional.

Fascists are defined by the behavior these lot are clearly demonstrating... then subsequently labelled as 'right wing/illiberal' etc because of their fascistic behaviour... although the Nazis were left wing fascists and mussolini was a leftie dictator too!!!

by Ben Reilly Sun May 01, 2016 9:58 pm

The only way they're fascist is by being intolerant ... and they're intolerant of intolerance Smile

by Original Quill Sun May 01, 2016 10:01 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Fascists are defined by the behavior these lot are clearly demonstrating... then subsequently labelled as 'right wing/illiberal' etc because of their fascistic behaviour... although the Nazis were left wing fascists and mussolini was a leftie dictator too!!!

This is what happens when you drop out of school in the third grade. Rolling Eyes

No appreciation of history. No sense of language.

by Guest Sun May 01, 2016 10:16 pm

Two different political ideological groups, who are intolerant of each other.
Where both formed from this very same intolerance some people have.
Here is a very good example of how hate is the motivation for either side and how many such gatherings end in confrontation.
If of those on the left that were involved in this counter protest. Had instead chosen to promote unity and diversity. Then their counter protest would have then been productive.
The fact that instead they promoted the same hate and intolerance formed by invented boundaries. That further divides society. Actually helps the Fascist negative cause.

I fail to see how you combat hate, with hate and intolerance. As that endorses the divided society that fascism promotes. Which in the end ends up aiding the Fascist cause, where then further boundaries are then created.

They should have protested through positive means and reasoned criticism, not hate and violence.

by Original Quill Sun May 01, 2016 10:29 pm

Paul Ettinger wrote:Two different political ideological groups, who are intolerant of each other.
Where both formed from this very same intolerance some people have.
Here is a very good example of how hate is the motivation for either side and how many such gatherings end in confrontation.
If of those on the left that were involved in this counter protest. Had instead chosen to promote unity and diversity. Then their counter protest would have then been productive.
The fact that instead they promoted the same hate and intolerance formed by invented boundaries. That further divides society. Actually helps the Fascist negative cause.

I fail to see how you combat hate, with hate and intolerance. As that endorses the divided society that fascism promotes. Which in the end ends up aiding the Fascist cause, where then further boundaries are then created.

They should have protested through positive means and reasoned criticism, not hate and violence.

Definitely disparate ideologies.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 10:35 pm

They are fascists by their behaviour and their crimes against others right to hard fought/won freedoms... like democratic representation, freedom of assembly and freedom of speech etc..!!!

They use violence to attempt to sieze control over others... they would like to sieze total control over everyone and impose their regime on all... cos they know best of course... all other opinions are wrong... no need for democracy... do as you're told or else...!!!

So...

They are authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

= FASCIST!!!

Oh... and of course this means that they must also be 'right wing'... cos 'left wing' means everything 'nice/fluffy/pink/unicorns' etc... and these lot are not very nice... so must be right wing... although they 'self identify' as LEFTIES!!!

THEY ARE LEFTIES AND THEY ARE FASCISTS!!!

by Original Quill Sun May 01, 2016 10:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
They are fascists by their behaviour and their crimes against others right to hard fought/won freedoms... like democratic representation, freedom of assembly and freedom of speech etc..!!!

They use violence to attempt to sieze control over others... they would like to sieze total control over everyone and impose their regime on all... cos they know best of course... all other opinions are wrong... no need for democracy... do as you're told or else...!!!

So...

They are authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

= FASCIST!!!

Oh... and of course this means that they must also be 'right wing'... cos 'left wing' means everything 'nice/fluffy/pink/unicorns' etc... and these lot are not very nice... so must be right wing... although they 'self identify' as LEFTIES!!!

THEY ARE LEFTIES AND THEY ARE FASCISTS!!!

No, that's incorrect.

by Guest Sun May 01, 2016 10:44 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Paul Ettinger wrote:Two different political ideological groups, who are intolerant of each other.
Where both formed from this very same intolerance some people have.
Here is a very good example of how hate is the motivation for either side and how many such gatherings end in confrontation.
If of those on the left that were involved in this counter protest. Had instead chosen to promote unity and diversity. Then their counter protest would have then been productive.
The fact that instead they promoted the same hate and intolerance formed by invented boundaries. That further divides society. Actually helps the Fascist negative cause.

I fail to see how you combat hate, with hate and intolerance. As that endorses the divided society that fascism promotes. Which in the end ends up aiding the Fascist cause, where then further boundaries are then created.

They should have protested through positive means and reasoned criticism, not hate and violence.

Definitely disparate ideologies.

Sorry but I find those on the extreme left, of which i classify those that committed violence and hate at this protest. In fact very comparable. In regards to how in the end their ideologically beliefs were in the end rendered insignificant, by their actions.

If I was of the left ideology for hypothetical reasons. I would condemn and disassociate myself from both the these left and right wing extremists and their ideologies
As by failing to do so, then further gives ammunition to the intolerant Fascists.
I would hope your ideology is far removed from either intolerant group.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 10:59 pm

I heard some twat on LBC radio last night saying that the BBC were 'left wing' in their general inclusive type behaviour... but were very 'right wing' with the peado activities of Jimmy Saville and the BBCs alledged covering up of it all...

Was said by 'christo' who was the talk/radio/dj of the show last night in the first few minutes on air...

by veya_victaous Sun May 01, 2016 11:42 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

These left wing fascists are all these things...!

they are neither left or right traits.

Left wing = Communal Control of the means of production
Right wing = Private control of the means of production

Left wing Facism is an Oxymoron as Facism is Specifically the gov't poilciy of directing support to Private corporations that control the means of production. example VW beign given jews as slave labor. it is literally the most Right wing idealogy ever invented further Righ Wing than capitalism, that lets the market forces control the means of production.

by Tommy Monk Sun May 01, 2016 11:45 pm

So the lefties in op are fascists...

By definition!

by Original Quill Sun May 01, 2016 11:58 pm

Paul Ettinger wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Definitely disparate ideologies.

Sorry but I find those on the extreme left, of which i classify those that committed violence and hate at this protest. In fact very comparable. In regards to how in the end their ideologically beliefs were in the end rendered insignificant, by their actions.

If I was of the left ideology for hypothetical reasons. I would condemn and disassociate myself from both the these left and right wing extremists and their ideologies
As by failing to do so, then further gives ammunition to the intolerant Fascists.
I would hope your ideology is far removed from either intolerant group.

didge wrote:“I find…” “ violence and hate…” “rendered insignificant…” “I would condemn…” “intolerant…”??

You’re making judgments, didge. Tommy and I were having a discussion about definitions.

True, I have argued in the past that definitional arguments can interact with, and affect judgmental arguments, but that changes the subject. For example, I have argued that ‘anti-sematic’ no longer conveys the connotation that it once did. Its usage has led to a much lighter meaning…akin to anti-Zionist, or anti-Israel.

But it is a factual argument. If you wish to make that kind of argument, you need to bring out the facts to support it. For instance, I have argued that people who call Palestinians anti-sematic are trivializing the meaning of the term, expanding it to include Israeli-initiated disputes…lessening its critical value. But you see…I make that argument by pointing to usage of the term to describe rather more mundane quarrels (though not from the Palestinian perspective).

The term ‘Fascist’ remains inevitably linked to the Italian regime of Mussolini, or the more general meaning of right-wing authoritarianism. As such, the term “left-wing fascist” is a self-cancelling contradiction. Left wing fascists at it again 2190311264

Left wing fascists at it again 2190311264

by Guest Mon May 02, 2016 12:08 am

Original Quill wrote:
Paul Ettinger wrote:

Sorry but I find those on the extreme left, of which i classify those that committed violence and hate at this protest. In fact very comparable. In regards to how in the end their ideologically beliefs were in the end rendered insignificant, by their actions.

If I was of the left ideology for hypothetical reasons. I would condemn and disassociate myself from both the these left and right wing extremists and their ideologies
As by failing to do so, then further gives ammunition to the intolerant Fascists.
I would hope your ideology is far removed from either intolerant group.

didge wrote:“I find…” “ violence and hate…” “rendered insignificant…” “I would condemn…” “intolerant…”??

You’re making judgments, didge. Tommy and I were having a discussion about definitions.

True, I have argued in the past that definitional arguments can interact with, and affect judgmental arguments, but that changes the subject. For example, I have argued that ‘anti-sematic’ no longer conveys the connotation that it once did. Its usage has led to a much lighter meaning…akin to anti-Zionist, or anti-Israel.

But it is a factual argument. If you wish to make that kind of argument, you need to bring out the facts to support it. For instance, I have argued that people who call Palestinians anti-sematic are trivializing the meaning of the term, expanding it to include Israeli-initiated disputes…lessening its critical value. But you see…I make that argument by pointing to usage of the term to describe rather more bilateral quarrels.

The term ‘Fascist’ remains inevitably linked to the Italian regime of Mussolini, or the more general meaning of right-wing authoritarianism. As such, the term “left-wing fascist” is a self-cancelling contradiction.

I have no idea what you have gone off tangent with something completely different and an area of comparability with the far left and the Far right. Racial discrimination. The very fact you fail to understand the methods used which attempt to dehumanize, deligitmize Jews as a people in many falsified claims, and the fact a call to Boycoot. Is applying all the same methods used by the Nazi;s. The fact is Jews are often targeted with hate in the West, due to hate of israel, why? Antisemitism, as they have no bearing on Israeli policies, but many of the same people who promote countless of these lies, also promote antisemitic conspiracies and blood libels.
Anyway, as seen just like with any factual hard evidence that proves there is a growing issue of antisemitism. Where you also want to ignore the evidence and thus by doing so fail in the very principle of protecting minority rights.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 02, 2016 12:15 am

The behaviour dictates definition...

authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

These lefties are fascists...

by Original Quill Mon May 02, 2016 12:15 am

didge wrote:I have no idea what you have gone off tangent with something completely different and an area of comparability with the far left and the Far right.

Actually, it was you that went off on the tangent. I was merely pointing it out to you.

I don't care which you wish to discuss...the definition of fascism, or its etymology. Just keep yourself on-topic and don't confuse one for the other.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 02, 2016 12:22 am

So... are we accepting the reality that lefties can be fascists or not...!?

In which case... being a fascist does not necessarily mean being right wing by default...

by Guest Mon May 02, 2016 12:28 am

Original Quill wrote:
didge wrote:I have no idea what you have gone off tangent with something completely different and an area of comparability with the far left and the Far right.

Actually, it was you that went off on the tangent. I was merely pointing it out to you.

I don't care which you wish to discuss...the definition of fascism, or its etymology. Just keep yourself on-topic and don't confuse one for the other.

I was on topic, condemning both sides for their intolerance and hate.
Which then also has made you fail; to see how it is the same hate and intolerance that then led to violence at this event, making both groups very comparable.
So are you saying intolerance and hate are then part of left wing ideology?
As if its not part of the ideology of the left, then their ideology played no part in the hate, intolerance and violence then commit by those with the left counter protest groups. Which means both opposing groups ended up very comparable. The left instead of championing their supposed ideology, instead choose to adopt some of the Fascist ideology beliefs instead.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 02, 2016 12:40 am

Tommy Monk wrote:So... are we accepting the reality that lefties can be fascists or not...!?

In which case... being a fascist does not necessarily mean being right wing by default...

by veya_victaous Mon May 02, 2016 1:07 am

Tommy Monk wrote:So the lefties in op are fascists...

By definition!

No Tommy they are not
they are not suggesting privatization of public resources and means fo production .

You obvious do not speak English and just spout words you have heard out of context, I think that means your supposed to get the fuck out of your own country Suspect

by veya_victaous Mon May 02, 2016 1:13 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:So... are we accepting the reality that lefties can be fascists or not...!?

In which case... being a fascist does not necessarily mean being right wing by default...

NO
the word does not mean undemocratic, dictator or any of those things
YES most facist are also those things but that does not make it exclusive

the LEFT wing can be dictators, undemocratic etc but they will still NEVER be facists due to the economic policy
Left wing fascists at it again 012212_1839_econ101bpri112

Left wing fascists at it again 012212_1839_econ101bpri112

by 'Wolfie Mon May 02, 2016 7:46 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
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Fascists are defined by the behavior these lot are clearly demonstrating... then subsequently labelled as 'right wing/illiberal' etc because of their fascistic behaviour... although the Nazis were left wing fascists and mussolini was a leftie dictator too!!!

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AFRAID NOT, Tommy !!!

FASCISM is by definition an extremist Right Wing idealogy..

YOU cannot change the facts, by simply cherry-picking some characteristics to suit your own agendas..

IT BECOMES quite meaningless when we see some overly wound-up people throwing around terms like "fascist, racist, communist, greenie, homophobe, etc." as insults, or conversely trying to describe themselves as "patriotic, Christian, liberal, pacifist or Buddhist, et al" -- when in many cases, often it becomes all too obvious that those pundits and punters don't even understand the basic meanings of the words they (mis)use so freely !

NOR CAN you change history at a whim, simply to suit yourself..

Hitler and Mussolini were Right Wing dictators, once and always...

The ONLY way that you can possibly change that perspective, is by positioning yourself to their right ! Which would then make you an ultra-ultra-Right-Whinger, Tommy !

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Left wing fascists at it again 2396444674

by Tommy Monk Mon May 02, 2016 12:57 pm

Fascism is defined by being...

authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

These lefties are clearly these things... they are fascists!

The means of production were seemingly left in private hands by the Nazis in many areas... but they were strictly controlled by the state... so the means of production were effectively state controlled... the Nazis were extreme nationalist socialists... and they were fascists...

"I am a socialist" Adolf hitler.

by Tommy Monk Mon May 02, 2016 1:22 pm

https://www.mises.ca/so-total-is-the-lefts-cultural-ascendancy-that-no-one-likes-to-mention-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/

by Original Quill Mon May 02, 2016 5:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

https://www.mises.ca/so-total-is-the-lefts-cultural-ascendancy-that-no-one-likes-to-mention-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/

Old nonsense. As even Wiki points out:

Wikipedia wrote:The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to defend the private property and privately owned businesses of Aryans.

Just as Nazi anthropology was faux science, so Nazi socialism was faux economics. The National Socialists were solely interested in their own anti-Marxism, anti-liberalism, and antisemitism, along with nationalism, RW authoritarian agenda. Hitler, when asked about the matter, said that the only thing appropriated from socialism was the materialism.

by 'Wolfie Mon May 02, 2016 7:53 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Fascism is defined by being...

authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic...

These lefties are clearly these things... they are fascists!

The means of production were seemingly left in private hands by the Nazis in many areas... but they were strictly controlled by the state... so the means of production were effectively state controlled... the Nazis were extreme nationalist socialists... and they were fascists...

"I am a socialist" Adolf hitler.

YOU honestly don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about, do you Tommy !

DO YOU even comprehend the English language ?

by Tommy Monk Mon May 02, 2016 9:30 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

https://www.mises.ca/so-total-is-the-lefts-cultural-ascendancy-that-no-one-likes-to-mention-the-socialist-roots-of-fascism/

Old nonsense. As even Wiki points out:

Wikipedia wrote:The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both internationalist Marxist socialism and free market capitalism. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class struggle, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to defend the private property and privately owned businesses of Aryans.

Just as Nazi anthropology was faux science, so Nazi socialism was faux economics. The National Socialists were solely interested in their own anti-Marxism, anti-liberalism, and antisemitism, along with nationalism, RW authoritarian agenda. Hitler, when asked about the matter, said that the only thing appropriated from socialism was the materialism.

So... by your admission in above post... the Nazis were just trying a slightly different type of (authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic) socialism to the regular (authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic) Marxist/communist type of socialism that was quite prevalent at the time...!?

by veya_victaous Tue May 03, 2016 12:10 am

Tommy No it is NOT your Ring Wing Hate sites cannot Redefine It To Suit them
Facism is the MOST EXTERME Right Wing economic Policy
IT CAN NOT BE LEFT WING

NO Facism is not defined by:
authoritarian, totalitarian, dictatorial, despotic, autocratic, undemocratic.

If you dont understand that educate yourself on Some Basic Fucking economics. Facism IS Defined AS Dictatorial Capitalism. Captialism is the Right wing economic policy by which the terms left and right are defined.
Left wing Facism is an Oxymoron

by Tommy Monk Tue May 03, 2016 12:59 am

I am using the definition previously provided by someone else on this thread...

The 'right wing' label was falsely thrown in as a collective descriptive noun for the rest... although economy/means of production were never mentioned...

The leftie political thugs in op weren't broadcasting their views on economy/means of production either... but I'm sure they either want to nationalise everything... or leave businesses in private hands while exercising extreme state control over means of production... so what does this make them apart from fascists...!?

lol!

by veya_victaous Tue May 03, 2016 1:12 am

Well USE the definition in the Dictionary.
Fascism is Capitalism combined with authoritarian dictatorship
Communism is Socialism Combined with authoritarian dictatorship

Just like you can’t have a right wing communist, you cannot have a Left wing Fascist.

It is what other have debated, The fact a policy Happens to be held by a particular left or right party Doesn't make that policy left or right wing.

We DO have fascism alive today in western nations, the Banks Bailout that is a fascist policy. it is the extreme right wing element of wall street, those that actually profit from agitating the racists and homophobes, to vote their guy in to give their multi-billionaire asses another tax break or some more profit.

Currently the fascist are just using racism and homophobia as tools to get morons to give them more money, Racism and Homophobia can also be used by the left as shown in Russia with their anti-gay laws.

by Eilzel Tue May 03, 2016 1:23 am

Tommy you can't take part of a definition and use it to define a person entirely.

A good my mother is caring, attentive and prioritises a child's health. But that doesn't make her a bloody nurse lol

And you cannot take half the definition of fascist and apply it to LW extremists, when they are by definition the opppsite of fascist.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 03, 2016 1:35 am

Full Definition of fascism

[list=definition-list]
[*]1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralizedautocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
[*]2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
[/list]

Definition of fascism for Students
: a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted

by Eilzel Tue May 03, 2016 1:47 am

Again you've taken two words out a larger definition. That isn't how language works. If you want to definie the demonstrators at dictatorial then that's one thing. But fascist is not a straight synonym of dictator, there is more to it than that.

by veya_victaous Tue May 03, 2016 1:55 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Full Definition of fascism

[list=definition-list]
[*]1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralizedautocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
[*]2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
[/list]

Definition of fascism for Students
: a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted

fascism
ˈfaʃɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: fascism

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More
nationalism, xenophobia, racism, anti-Semitism, chauvinism, jingoism, isolationism;
neo-fascism, neo-Nazism;
corporativism, corporatism;
historicalHitlerism;
historicalFrancoism, Falangism
antonyms: democracy, liberalism
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action"

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=obamacare+insurance&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=A_QnV6ugF7PM8geen66gAg#safe=strict&nfpr=1&q=fascism+definition

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fascism

fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm)
n (sometimes capital)
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified: body fascism.
[C20: from Italian fascismo, from fascio political group, from Latin fascis bundle; see fasces]

You keep Missing the KEY Part (the part of the defintion that makes Fascist Different than Dictator or autocratic the general terms you could apply to a left wing dictator) it has to be CAPITALIST, Left wing is Socialist not capitalist so there cannot be a left wing fascist by defintion they are polar opposites.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 03, 2016 2:06 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
Full Definition of fascism

[list=definition-list]
[*]1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralizedautocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
[*]2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
[/list]

Definition of fascism for Students
: a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted

fascism
ˈfaʃɪz(ə)m/
noun
noun: fascism

an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy, absolute rule, Nazism, rightism, militarism; More
nationalism, xenophobia, racism, anti-Semitism, chauvinism, jingoism, isolationism;
neo-fascism, neo-Nazism;
corporativism, corporatism;
historicalHitlerism;
historicalFrancoism, Falangism
antonyms: democracy, liberalism
(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
"this is yet another example of health fascism in action"

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=obamacare+insurance&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=A_QnV6ugF7PM8geen66gAg#safe=strict&nfpr=1&q=fascism+definition

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fascism

fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm)
n (sometimes capital)
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified: body fascism.
[C20: from Italian fascismo, from fascio political group, from Latin fascis bundle; see fasces]

You keep Missing the KEY Part (the part of the defintion that makes Fascist Different than Dictator or autocratic the general terms you could apply to a left wing dictator) it has to be CAPITALIST, Left wing is Socialist not capitalist so there cannot be a left wing fascist by defintion they are polar opposites.

Nice Obama care Google search there as link...

Like my definition link better...

As I said before... the 'rw' label is always thrown in as an afterthought... but wrongly done so!

by Eilzel Tue May 03, 2016 2:20 am

You can like your definition all you want, its still wrong. Although your last post really says everything about how you make your own facts to suit.

by veya_victaous Tue May 03, 2016 2:27 am

You didn't have the link, but it is on the list of defintion in that google search (odd that says Obama care but i tried it goes to the correct page.)

IF You clicked you see
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Examples of fascism in a sentence

From the first hours of Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union, the propagandists on both sides of the conflict portrayed the struggle in stark, Manichaean language. The totalitarian nature of both regimes made this inevitable. On one side stood Hitler, fascism, the myth of German supremacy; on the other side stood Stalin, communism, and the international proletarian revolution. —Anne Applebaum, New York Review of Books, 25 Oct. 2007

That Even YOUR defintion, when you dont use the kids simple one up top, Clearly States it is the opposite of Communism which is a LEFT wing idelogy and the opposite of LEFT is???
Suspect

You may have noticed it Defines it the exactly same as the picture i posted for you originally Rolling Eyes

communism and fascim are either extreme of economic policy. you can't be a "Left wing EXTERME RIGHT politican" it is an Oxymoron to say 'left wing fascist'

Oxford Dictionary
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/fascism
An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Example sentences Synonyms
1.1(In general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices: this is yet another example of health fascism in action

by veya_victaous Tue May 03, 2016 2:32 am

And RW fascism is the only sort of fascism, it is not an after though it is the Bloody Defintion of the word Facism.
Facism = Dictorial Capitialism
it's not debateable, or an opinion that you can prefer it is a fact of economic policy and the defintion of words.
like Les said IF you are going to just pick facts you prefer, STFU and dont vote on reality affecting issues, since YOU CHOOSE to ignore reality!

by 'Wolfie Tue May 03, 2016 3:59 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
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The 'right wing' label was falsely thrown in as a collective descriptive noun for the rest... although economy/means of production were never mentioned...

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EVERY TIME that I think that Tommy may have been bumped off his throne as the Most Stupid Person on this Forum with the occasional reappearance of such complete dills as "Independent Thoughts" or good ol' Dean, Tommy has to reassert his predominance with completely clueless and muddle headed threads such as this latest puerile "left wing fascists" effort !!!

lol!

by Guest Tue May 03, 2016 10:16 am

Eilzel wrote:Tommy you can't take part of a definition and use it to define a person entirely.

A good my mother is caring, attentive and prioritises a child's health. But that doesn't make her a bloody nurse lol

And you cannot take half the definition of fascist and apply it to LW extremists, when they are by definition the opppsite of fascist.

admittedly, it took me a while to figure out that Tommy/Stormee/Didgy-doo used their need to > > >
Left wing fascists at it again Label-Maker-Old-School

any and all discussions into a confined BOX {not that it fit nor that it was correct} just that it was what they felt comfortable with. And then they'd push that idea forward as if it was justified and accepted because they found 2 plausible words variables that could describe the opponent! Hence they became the "LABEL MAKER TEAM" --- self described/have to make the topic fit their own definition of F'd up terms despite how twisted off it could be proven to be! Suspect

And for that reason Tommy --- I limit my daily dose of engaging you with an attempt at ANY discussion --- you do seem driven to MAKE CRAP UP so it fits into a box/definition of your own making = LABEL MAKER Rolling Eyes

by Major Tue May 03, 2016 11:04 am

veya_victaous wrote:Well USE the definition in the Dictionary.
Fascism is Capitalism combined with authoritarian dictatorship
Communism is Socialism Combined with authoritarian dictatorship

Just like you can’t have a right wing communist, you cannot have a Left wing Fascist.

It is what other have debated, The fact a policy Happens to be held by a particular left or right party Doesn't make that policy left or right wing.

We DO have fascism alive today in western nations, the Banks Bailout that is a fascist policy. it is the extreme right wing element of wall street, those that actually profit from agitating the racists and homophobes, to vote their guy in to give their multi-billionaire asses another tax break or some more profit.

Currently the fascist are just using racism and homophobia as tools to get morons to give them more money, Racism and Homophobia can also be used by the left as shown in Russia with their anti-gay laws.

Fascism duz not have wingz, fascism is fascism.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 03, 2016 12:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Full Definition of fascism

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[*]1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralizedautocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
[*]2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
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Definition of fascism for Students
: a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted

The Nazis strictly controlled businesses send the means of production!

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