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Post by Guest Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:38 pm

Israel government tortures Palestinian children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says

The NGO called for Israel’s definition of torture to be changed after children were kept in outdoor holding pens for ‘months’ during winter

An Israeli human rights organisation has accused the government of torturing Palestinian children after it emerged some were kept for months in outdoor cages during winter.

The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) published a report which said children suspected of minor crimes were subjected to “public caging”, threats and acts of sexual violence and military trials without representation.

It came as the government’s Public Petitions Committee held a hearing to discuss the issue, which the PCATI said must be addressed with a change to the law.

The country’s Public Defender’s Office (PDO) recently released details of one particularly shocking visit by its lawyers to a detention facility.

“During our visit, held during a fierce storm that hit the state, attorneys met detainees who described to them a shocking picture: in the middle of the night dozens of detainees were transferred to the external iron cages built outside the IPS transition facility in Ramla,” the PDO wrote on its website.

“It turns out that this procedure, under which prisoners waited outside in cages, lasted for several months, and was verified by other officials.”

According to the Jerusalem Post, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni called for the practice of keeping children in cages to be stopped as soon as she learned of it, and the prison service issued a statement saying the situation had been improved following the “criticism”.

The PCATI said this was not enough, and called for the county’s relatively high threshold for what can be classed “acts of abuse” to be lowered in the case of children.

Their report argued: “Torture is a means of attacking an individual’s fundamental modes of psychological and social functioning” as described in the Istanbul Protocol. Furthermore, “torture can impact a child directly or indirectly. The impact can be due to the child’s having been tortured or detained, the torture of parents or close family members or witnessing torture and violence.”

It said the incident in Ramla was just one example of a broad range of abuses being suffered.

Yesterday the Knesset committee said Israeli law as it currently exists was being violated by the manner of arrest and detention conditions of Palestinian children, the Post reported.

The committee also took issue with the fact that the government appeared not to keep records of the frequency or scope of disputed practices like midnight arrests.

The PCATI said: “The majority of Palestinian child detainees are charged with throwing stones, and 74 per cent experience physical violence during arrest, transfer or interrogation.”

It said Israel was the only country to systematically prosecute children in its military courts, and added that “no Israeli children come into contact with the military court system”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-government-tortures-palestinian-children-by-keeping-them-in-cages-human-rights-group-says-9032826.html


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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:27 am

Yes shocking, as shocking as 37,000 Palestinian boys aged between 15 and 17”:
“Palestinian schoolboys are learning how to fire Kalashnikovs, throw grenades and plant improvised explosive devices as part of a programme run by Hamas’s education ministry.”
37,000 Palestinian boys aged between 15 and 17”:
“Palestinian schoolboys are learning how to fire Kalashnikovs, throw grenades and plant improvised explosive devices as part of a programme run by Hamas’s education ministry.”
Five thousand teens wearing military uniforms also attended a two-week camp at a Hamas military base, where Hamas’ armed wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, trained them in hand-to-hand combat and urban warfare techniques.

Last month, Hamas’ English-language Twitter feed tweeted a ghastly picture of a child under ten years of age, role playing as a dead child solder in what appears to be a mock military funeral. The caption reads “Like this our children play, they love Shahada ‘martyrdom.’


Both wrong, by why only speaking out about the abuse of children by one nation when both are?

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:34 am

link?

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:35 am

Hang on are you now denying this happens, want to think about that before I post countless links?

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:36 am

No, I'd like a link to verify your information. Thats all.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:38 am

http://blogs.jpost.com/content/child-soldiers-palestine

http://www.dci-palestine.org/content/child-recruitment

http://millaproject.org/child-soldiers-israel-and-palestine/

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:56 am

Just read them.   First one from an Israeli source.  

Talking about cadets.   We have cadets.   If they are used in war they damn well shouldn't be, but it did not show that.

I think you need to read your  other two links.   They both show that Israeli is the main source of the abuse of Palestinian children:

2nd one:


• Human shields: Since April 2004, DCI and other human rights organisations, have documented 19 cases of Palestinian children being used as human shields by the Israeli army. In 16 out of the 17 cases, the event occurred after the Israeli High Court of Justice had ruled the practice illegal under domestic law in 2005. This suggests that the Israeli army is not effectively implementing the Court's decision, or is simply disregarding the order altogether.

• Informants: Since June 2006, DCI has documented 20 cases in which Israeli soldiers, policemen or security agents attempted to recruit Palestinian children as informants during interrogation, under some form of coercion or inducement.

• Child soldiers: Since 2006, DCI has documented 26 cases involving the recruitment and use of children by Palestinian armed groups. The nature of involvement in armed conflict ranges from openly bearing arms and launching rockets, to performing subsidiary roles, such as scouting and cooking. In all 26 cases the evidence indicates that the children were not forcefully conscripted, but volunteered to join a group or to participate in hostilities.

And I agree, they should not be doing that.


3rd one:

Glancing at the surface of child soldier usage in Palestine and Israel, it would seem that Palestinian children are the sole victims of violence. However, this is not the case. After researching deeper into the workings of the Israeli government, it is clear that Israeli children also fall victim to violence. According to the Child Soldiers Global Report on Israel, “There were no reports of [Israeli] children serving in combat roles”.[18] But looking at those children forced into military training, or who voluntarily join the military, under the age of 18 shows that often these children are sent to combat-specific elite units or encouraged to join other units such as border patrol.  At border patrol units, these children are in uniform, with armed weapons defending the entry control points.[19] It would be easy for enemies to mistake them for of-age soldiers and treat them as such, engaging in active gunfire or other violent attacks.

As well, Palestinian children are recruited as child soldiers by both Palestinians and Israelis. There are two reasons for Israelis to recruit Palestinian children, according to a report recently distributed by DCI-Palestine: human shields and intelligence informants. Using a child as a human shield involves putting them in more dangerous positions in times of war. For example, there is proof that one boy specifically was forced to inspect baggage suspected of holding live bombs.

As well, children have been used to enter dangerous buildings first and stand in front to military vehicles to discourage stone throwing.[20] There have been 19 documented cases of using Palestinian children as human shields from 2004-2012, 95% of which occurred in 2005, right after such a practice was ruled illegal by the Israeli court system.[21] This lack of reciprocation between government policy and military actions uncovers a deeper issue in the nation of Israel. But it also brings to question how many child soldiers are truly used. Nineteen over the course of 8 years is an unfortunate number, but in such a war torn area, logic shows that likely many more endured the chaos of being a human shield.

As well, children are used as intelligence informants. Often, a Palestinian child is offered a bribe such as money or bail, or is physically threatened to keep watch on specific neighborhoods.22 When suspicious activity is visible, the children are required to report it to Israeli officers. Informing can cause great harm to the children in their communities. Along with the psychological distress possible if those in the community discover the children disclosing secrets to the enemy, the Palestinian community could enact violence on the child also.

However, Palestinians recruit their own children as soldiers as well. In such instances as the Intifada and other battles, children have been recruited and used as soldiers by throwing rocks at the enemy.[22] Though throwing rocks may seem like a simple, inconsequential act, this encouragement from the government engrains the necessity of violence in these young citizens. The children are put in harm’s way, and exposed to the possibility of incredible injury. Then-senator Hilary Clinton rightly said, “It is disturbing on a human level… it basically, profoundly poisons the minds of these children”.22

They definitely need to stop them throwing rocks, but no evidence of them using guns.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:04 am

I have read them both showing why there is wrongs again on both sides, what you again fail to do is condemn the Palestinians, the point which is appalling on your part.

Your bias against Israel is beyond belief when you refuse to condemn both sides as I do

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:05 am

Oh do read, I did.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:07 am

I rest my case, it shows both doing wrongs, again no condemning of Hamas, point proven again and easily done so

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:07 am

I suppose this is all lies as well sassy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:09 am

PhilDidge wrote:I rest my case, it shows both doing wrongs, again no condemning of Hamas, point proven again and easily done so

Better go to specsavers,  I did, don't lie.

And you gloss over what Israel does, no condemnation from you about that. I said they bloody shouldn't do it.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:11 am

Hilarious yes run away when your propaganda agenda falls flat as usual

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:12 am

PhilDidge wrote:Hilarious yes run away when your propaganda agenda falls flat as usual

What? You're a bit worked up for first thing in the morning.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:14 am

Sassy wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:Hilarious yes run away when your propaganda agenda falls flat as usual

What?   You're a bit worked up for first thing in the morning.  

Worked up, more like laughing at your poor attempts to stir up hatred against Israel.

Shall we talk about the human rights abuses of Hamas for example towards children?

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:16 am

PhilDidge wrote:
Sassy wrote:

What?   You're a bit worked up for first thing in the morning.  

Worked up, more like laughing at your poor attempts to stir up hatred against Israel.

Shall we talk about the human rights abuses of Hamas for example towards children?

Didge, for crying out loud, what is the matter with you. I said that using children in war was not right and said that they should bloody well stop doing it. You are totally ignoring what Israel and done and are trying to pretend I haven't said what Hamas did was wrong. Take a deep breath and stop ranting and actually read.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:18 am

Sassy wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

Worked up, more like laughing at your poor attempts to stir up hatred against Israel.

Shall we talk about the human rights abuses of Hamas for example towards children?

Didge, for crying out loud, what is the matter with you.   I said that using children in war was not right and said that they should bloody well stop doing it.   You are totally ignoring what Israel and done and are trying to pretend I haven't said what Hamas did was wrong.   Take a deep breath and stop ranting and actually read.

Really as stated from the beginning I said it was wrong for both, as usual you ignore this because of your hatred of Israel, everyday you post your propaganda of hate against them and all can see it, when the reality is both sides do many wrongs

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:23 am

Oh god, here we go again, Sassy, you won't condemn hamas, condemn hamas, condemn hamas, its not enough to say they are both wrong, condemn hamas.

But will you condemn Israel? One rule for you and another for everyone else.

I'll come back when you are not going mental at every post.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:25 am

Come back when ever you like, from my first post I condemned both and all knows you are on some campaign against Israel, which is evident with the amount of threads you start, shall we count them up together?

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:30 am

PhilDidge wrote:Come back when ever you like, from my first post I condemned both and all knows you are on some campaign against Israel, which is evident with the amount of threads you start, shall we count them up together?

Didge, you are a nutter, complete and utter. You never even notice that the people who post on the threads, Veya, Ben, even Shady, agree with me not you. We can all see what the Israeli government is doing.

Now go back to ranting, you don't seem capable of anything else, followed by 'I won it was easy' totally oblivious that the only one who thinks so is you.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:37 am

Sassy wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:Come back when ever you like, from my first post I condemned both and all knows you are on some campaign against Israel, which is evident with the amount of threads you start, shall we count them up together?

Didge, you are a nutter, complete and utter.   You never even notice that the people who post on the threads, Veya, Ben, even Shady, agree with me not you.   We can all see what the Israeli government is doing.  

Now go back to ranting, you don't seem capable of anything else, followed by 'I won it was easy' totally oblivious that the only one who thinks so is you.


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Who is on record for hating Islam and Muslims, my you are gullible.
I have not seen Ben and Veya say that only one side does wrongs, have you?

So again you have some sick agenda of hate against Israel to be honest, which I find appalling considering the wrongs done daily within the majority of the middle east, showing how unbalanced your arguments are

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:43 am

Just shows you don't read anyone else but yourself.

Bbbbbooooorrrrriiiiiinnnngggg!

PS, if Shady is on record as hating muslims, makes it all the more amazing that he condemned Israel, doesn't it.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:45 am

Sassy wrote:Just shows you don't read anyone else but yourself.

Bbbbbooooorrrrriiiiiinnnngggg!


Then why have you failed to answer a simple question if Ben and Veya thinks only one side is in the wrong?

Now if they do, of which they have not, then even that is their opinion and again does not mean you or they would be right does it?

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:49 am

God, we have gone back to gloop. Canvas to get on with, too much gloop for one morning.

Now, I know exactly what you are going to say next. You think it makes you look big. It makes you look quite different bless.

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:52 am

Sassy wrote:God, we have gone back to gloop.   Canvas to get on with, too much gloop for one morning.  

Now, I know exactly what you are going to say next.   You think it makes you look big.   It makes you look quite different bless.


Well the above was a load of gobbledygook as usual.

Look we all know you hate Israel, that is a fact

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Post by Irn Bru Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:16 pm

Sassy wrote:Israel government tortures Palestinian children by keeping them in cages, human rights group says

The NGO called for Israel’s definition of torture to be changed after children were kept in outdoor holding pens for ‘months’ during winter

An Israeli human rights organisation has accused the government of torturing Palestinian children after it emerged some were kept for months in outdoor cages during winter.

The Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) published a report which said children suspected of minor crimes were subjected to “public caging”, threats and acts of sexual violence and military trials without representation.

It came as the government’s Public Petitions Committee held a hearing to discuss the issue, which the PCATI said must be addressed with a change to the law.

The country’s Public Defender’s Office (PDO) recently released details of one particularly shocking visit by its lawyers to a detention facility.

“During our visit, held during a fierce storm that hit the state, attorneys met detainees who described to them a shocking picture: in the middle of the night dozens of detainees were transferred to the external iron cages built outside the IPS transition facility in Ramla,” the PDO wrote on its website.

“It turns out that this procedure, under which prisoners waited outside in cages, lasted for several months, and was verified by other officials.”

According to the Jerusalem Post, Justice Minister Tzipi Livni called for the practice of keeping children in cages to be stopped as soon as she learned of it, and the prison service issued a statement saying the situation had been improved following the “criticism”.

The PCATI said this was not enough, and called for the county’s relatively high threshold for what can be classed “acts of abuse” to be lowered in the case of children.

Their report argued: “Torture is a means of attacking an individual’s fundamental modes of psychological and social functioning” as described in the Istanbul Protocol. Furthermore, “torture can impact a child directly or indirectly. The impact can be due to the child’s having been tortured or detained, the torture of parents or close family members or witnessing torture and violence.”

It said the incident in Ramla was just one example of a broad range of abuses being suffered.

Yesterday the Knesset committee said Israeli law as it currently exists was being violated by the manner of arrest and detention conditions of Palestinian children, the Post reported.

The committee also took issue with the fact that the government appeared not to keep records of the frequency or scope of disputed practices like midnight arrests.

The PCATI said: “The majority of Palestinian child detainees are charged with throwing stones, and 74 per cent experience physical violence during arrest, transfer or interrogation.”

It said Israel was the only country to systematically prosecute children in its military courts, and added that “no Israeli children come into contact with the military court system”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-government-tortures-palestinian-children-by-keeping-them-in-cages-human-rights-group-says-9032826.html


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That is bloody disgraceful and a shameful way to treat children. Outdoor holding pens in winter!!! What the hell is that about.
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