Britain First outrage LOL

What are 'Britain First' outraged about now?

Poverty?

Unemployment?

Austerity?

Food banks?

No, halal Haribo.







You couldn't make it up!

Brains of rocking horses.

What next, Union Jack's made in Pakistan?

Well Haribo is International they are not going to change the normal business model to suit a small group of British Racists.
 
this is what these groups don't understand No one Give a shit about their opinion they are poor useless people that constitute a piss weak market.
Don’t want to eat Halal Fine BUY SOMETHIGN ELSE, cant then Starve cause that is evolution removing the too stupid to survive

I'm not bothered where anything is made as long as I get my money's worth

This is about sweets, yes?

It's not a very new story, and it's a bit confusing. Some say that Haribo took gelatin out to please Muslims, and others say that they actually replaced pork gelatin with beef gelatin.

I don't approve of gelatin in sweets, but if they did indeed take out gelatin to please Muslims, they could have done so to please vegetarians instead, so I boycott them either way.

sassy wrote:

Perhaps you should have posted a link.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:

Perhaps you should have posted a link.

DOH!  Just look at it again.


Britain First Facebook Page

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Perhaps you should have posted a link.

DOH!  Just look at it again.


Britain First Facebook Page

For some reason, I can't see images in your posts. Perhaps I blocked them en masse.

Raggamuffin wrote:

sassy wrote:


DOH!  Just look at it again.


Britain First Facebook Page

For some reason, I can't see images in your posts. Perhaps I blocked them en masse.

Ah, then I apologise, that explains it then.

This story has been floating around for a while, as I said.

My point still stands. There are more vegetarians in the UK than there are Muslims, and they should be aware of which sweets contain gelatin of any kind, and boycott them.

sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

For some reason, I can't see images in your posts. Perhaps I blocked them en masse.

Ah, then I apologise, that explains it then.

No problem. I often think that your posts are blank, but if I go to quote them, I can see there's an image there, so I can copy the URL and open it in a different window. I didn't do that on this occasion.

Just thought it was funny (sic funny) that with all the problems in the world what came up on their agenda was bloody sweets because they were labelled halal.  It's pathetic.

I really don't get the Halal thing. Apart from the fact I dint eat meat, I really couldn't care less if it's halal or what.

Me too, it's just another way of getting at Muslims, because Jews have exactly the same rules, and you don't see them going off about kosher stuff.

http://tellmamauk.org/britain-first-fighting-over-a-packet-of-sweets/

Britain First have mounted a campaign to put the ‘G’ back into Haribo Funny Mix sweets, since the removal of gelatine means that practising Muslims can be sure that there is no pork gelatine in the sweets.

However, Funny Mix sweets appears to be vegetarian rather than halal, so perhaps they are catering for vegetarians after all.

eddie wrote:I really don't get the Halal thing. Apart from the fact I dint eat meat, I really couldn't care less if it's halal or what.

It depends on what "halal" means.

You don't eat meat because you don't like it, not because you have ethical objections to it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:I really don't get the Halal thing. Apart from the fact I dint eat meat, I really couldn't care less if it's halal or what.

It depends on what "halal" means.

You don't eat meat because you don't like it, not because you have ethical objections to it.

That's true yes, but people that do eat meat...why are they so bothers about how it's killed? If they were bothered, why eat it in the first place?

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It depends on what "halal" means.

You don't eat meat because you don't like it, not because you have ethical objections to it.

That's true yes, but people that do eat meat...why are they so bothers about how it's killed? If they were bothered, why eat it in the first place?

My view exactly, do they kid themselves that animals are happy in abbatoirs and well treated?

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It depends on what "halal" means.

You don't eat meat because you don't like it, not because you have ethical objections to it.

That's true yes, but people that do eat meat...why are they so bothers about how it's killed? If they were bothered, why eat it in the first place?

They might disapprove of the way it's killed compared to the way it's legally killed in the UK. I don't know if anyone is allowed to hang live animals up to slit their throats so they bleed to death without stunning them in the UK, but Haribo is not British anyway.

If it just means saying a prayer before the animal is killed, non-Muslims might object to that - whether they are of another faith, or atheists.

I only care if sweets or anything else contain animal products, and it's surprising how many sweets do.

I just think it slightly hypocritical that meat-eaters would complain then still munch down on steak and chips.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It depends on what "halal" means.

You don't eat meat because you don't like it, not because you have ethical objections to it.

That's true yes, but people that do eat meat...why are they so bothers about how it's killed? If they were bothered, why eat it in the first place?

I'm bothered about how it's killed, simply because there are ways to do this with the minimum suffering.  I don't believe any animal should be slaughtered inhumanely.     Meat eaters have every right to expect this, and to be assured the meat they eat comes from animals that have not had a life of misery and suffering and a worse end.

Sure, you pay for that, but it's a price I'm willing to pay.   However, I'm aware that's not a guarantee for things like Haribo and other products that involve animals.   But where it is in my hands to be responsible for doing my bit for animal welfare within the meat trade, I will.

eddie wrote:I just think it slightly hypocritical that meat-eaters would complain then still munch down on steak and chips.

I can understand that view.   I also feel I should be vegetarian but then how many vegetarians consume dairy and fish?   Cakes, biscuits, etc.  All containing animal derivatives.   You'd have to be completely vegan to opt out of eating animal products.

HoratioTarr wrote:

eddie wrote:I just think it slightly hypocritical that meat-eaters would complain then still munch down on steak and chips.

I can understand that view.   I also feel I should be vegetarian but then how many vegetarians consume dairy and fish?   Cakes, biscuits, etc.  All containing animal derivatives.   You'd have to be completely vegan to opt out of eating animal products.

Fish is not vegetarian obviously, but dairy is - unless it contains animal fat as well. Someone who didn't eat any animal products like dairy or eggs would be vegan.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

I can understand that view.   I also feel I should be vegetarian but then how many vegetarians consume dairy and fish?   Cakes, biscuits, etc.  All containing animal derivatives.   You'd have to be completely vegan to opt out of eating animal products.

Fish is not vegetarian obviously, but dairy is - unless it contains animal fat as well. Someone who didn't eat any animal products like dairy or eggs would be vegan.

Dairy involves the slaughter of calves.   Cheese contains rennet from the bovine stomach.   Both products are produced via the death of an animal.   So if a person is veggie on principle, they'd have to find vegan alternatives like almond milk.  I'm not even sure if there is a vegan cheese.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Fish is not vegetarian obviously, but dairy is - unless it contains animal fat as well. Someone who didn't eat any animal products like dairy or eggs would be vegan.

Dairy involves the slaughter of calves.   Cheese contains rennet from the bovine stomach.   Both products are produced via the death of an animal.   So if a person is veggie on principle, they'd have to find vegan alternatives like almond milk.  I'm not even sure if there is a vegan cheese.

It's still not the same thing. Cheese is often vegetarian because it does not contain rennet.

I think people are often a bit black and white when it comes to judging vegetarians. A lot of vegetarians drink milk and eat vegetarian cheese. If they didn't, they'd be vegans.

Raggamuffin wrote:This is about sweets, yes?

It's not a very new story, and it's a bit confusing. Some say that Haribo took gelatin out to please Muslims, and others say that they actually replaced pork gelatin with beef gelatin.

I don't approve of gelatin in sweets, but if they did indeed take out gelatin to please Muslims, they could have done so to please vegetarians instead, so I boycott them either way.

There is a plant-based manufactured (of course) gelatin replacement available to the food procesing industries these days; so that they can modify some recipes to suit the vegetarian, vegan, halal and kosher markets...

Honestly, food manufacturers should never have had animal based gelatins, nor even dairy or eggs, involved in any confectionary - without clearly announcing so on their packaging - as there simply isn't any real world need for such ingredients..

Yet another case where marginal economics overrides any decent, common sense or proper decisions -- where there was never any genuine need for many additives, nor for the excessive amounts of sugars and salts that go into many processed foods; (and it shouldn't surprise anyone to learn that sugar companies and growers are among the largest shareholders in those confectionary companies..).       

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:This is about sweets, yes?

It's not a very new story, and it's a bit confusing. Some say that Haribo took gelatin out to please Muslims, and others say that they actually replaced pork gelatin with beef gelatin.

I don't approve of gelatin in sweets, but if they did indeed take out gelatin to please Muslims, they could have done so to please vegetarians instead, so I boycott them either way.

There is a plant-based manufactured (of course) gelatin replacement available to the food procesing industries these days; so that they can modify some recipes to suit the vegetarian, vegan, halal and kosher markets...

Honestly, food manufacturers should never have had animal based gelatins, nor even dairy or eggs, involved in any confectionary - without clearly announcing so on their packaging - as there simply isn't any real world need for such ingredients..

Yet another case where marginal economics overrides any decent, common sense or proper decisions -- where there was never any genuine need for many additives, nor for the excessive amounts of sugars and salts that go into many processed foods; (and it shouldn't surprise anyone to learn that sugar companies and growers are among the largest shareholders in those confectionary companies..).       

They do generally have all the ingredients on the labels now, but a lot of people probably don't look, or assume that sweets would not contain animal ingredients. They should be more aware though because it's quite common. Any sweets which are even slightly jelly-like or spongy - like marshmallows - probably contain gelatin. Jelly beans are generally OK though. Some manufacturers used to hide behind "E" numbers when listing the ingredients, but they tend not to do that so much now.

Vegetarians should also be aware that a lot of vitamin capsules or drug capsules contain gelatin.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:This is about sweets, yes?

It's not a very new story, and it's a bit confusing. Some say that Haribo took gelatin out to please Muslims, and others say that they actually replaced pork gelatin with beef gelatin.

I don't approve of gelatin in sweets, but if they did indeed take out gelatin to please Muslims, they could have done so to please vegetarians instead, so I boycott them either way.

There is a plant-based manufactured (of course) gelatin replacement available to the food procesing industries these days; so that they can modify some recipes to suit the vegetarian, vegan, halal and kosher markets...

Honestly, food manufacturers should never have had animal based gelatins, nor even dairy or eggs, involved in any confectionary - without clearly announcing so on their packaging - as there simply isn't any real world need for such ingredients..

Yet another case where marginal economics overrides any decent, common sense or proper decisions -- where there was never any genuine need for many additives, nor for the excessive amounts of sugars and salts that go into many processed foods; (and it shouldn't surprise anyone to learn that sugar companies and growers are among the largest shareholders in those confectionary companies..).       

I agree.  I tend not to eat processed food.   I'm a huge fan of vegan food, actually,  but my OH is a committed carnivore and I'm a sucker for roast lamb.

Raggamuffin wrote:This story has been floating around for a while, as I said.

My point still stands. There are more vegetarians in the UK than there are Muslims, and they should be aware of which sweets contain gelatin of any kind, and boycott them.

But they didn't remove it for the Uk
it has Nothing to do with the UK

German Company that sells Jelly Lollies in Dozens of Nations across 4 continents made a product that is going to sell better in the global market.

P.S. vegan jelly lollies exist mainly from Japan or Korea (uses a seaweed extract instead of gelation)

eddie wrote:I just think it slightly hypocritical that meat-eaters would complain then still munch down on steak and chips.

Do you ever wonder if fish have been caught, killed humanely and processed properly...

Have you ever wondered whether those hens that provided eggs, or the cows providing the cream for yoghurts, butter ice cream, are being treated properly..

I'LL bet that those thoughts never occur to those BNP/EDL types who constantly whinge and whine about "halal" labelling on neo-nazi political grounds, without giving a thought to the garbage they put in their own mouths.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

Dairy involves the slaughter of calves.   Cheese contains rennet from the bovine stomach.   Both products are produced via the death of an animal.   So if a person is veggie on principle, they'd have to find vegan alternatives like almond milk.  I'm not even sure if there is a vegan cheese.

It's still not the same thing. Cheese is often vegetarian because it does not contain rennet.

I think people are often a bit black and white when it comes to judging vegetarians. A lot of vegetarians drink milk and eat vegetarian cheese. If they didn't, they'd be vegans.

As I said, some people are veggies in principle, insomuch they refuse to eat meat because they think it's cruel.   But to avoid that, you'd have to be totally vegan.  Is there a cheese made without milk?   If so, then that would be vegan obviously.

HoratioTarr wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's still not the same thing. Cheese is often vegetarian because it does not contain rennet.

I think people are often a bit black and white when it comes to judging vegetarians. A lot of vegetarians drink milk and eat vegetarian cheese. If they didn't, they'd be vegans.

As I said, some people are veggies in principle, insomuch they refuse to eat meat because they think it's cruel.   But to avoid that, you'd have to be totally vegan.  Is there a cheese made without milk?   If so, then that would be vegan obviously.

Some vegetarians simply live by what they find acceptable to them personally.

I don't know if there's a cheese make without milk - there probably is. Apparently, some prefer goat's milk because it's more ethical.

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

As I said, some people are veggies in principle, insomuch they refuse to eat meat because they think it's cruel.   But to avoid that, you'd have to be totally vegan.  Is there a cheese made without milk?   If so, then that would be vegan obviously.

Some vegetarians simply live by what they find acceptable to them personally.

I don't know if there's a cheese make without milk - there probably is. Apparently, some prefer goat's milk because it's more ethical.

http://www.whitelies.org.uk/nannystate

Raggamuffin wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:

As I said, some people are veggies in principle, insomuch they refuse to eat meat because they think it's cruel.   But to avoid that, you'd have to be totally vegan.  Is there a cheese made without milk?   If so, then that would be vegan obviously.

Some vegetarians simply live by what they find acceptable to them personally.

I don't know if there's a cheese make without milk - there probably is. Apparently, some prefer goat's milk because it's more ethical.

'Ovo-lacto vegetarians' can and do eat egg and dairy products...

A total 'vegan' could always replace cheese with Tofu (processed soyabean 'curds') --  but as it is a highly processed food (in the same category as margarine, soy 'milk, and some modern day processed sauces, creams and 'whips', and dessert fillings..) -- it could come down to how desperate they are to have a cheese-like replacement..

And then, of course, there are those who are commonly sensitive to, or intolerant of, any milk-based foods (whether that be cow, goat or sheep milk..), and that rare minority who are genuinely allergic to milk proteins.

Halal, prayers are supposed to be said before slaughter, sorry that's wrong. I'v worked in a slaughter house, if prayers were said before an animal was slaughted it would take all day to get a few dozen through.Take the slaughter of chickens, hundreds go through on a belt hanging by their legs while their throats are cut, you think a butcher says a prayer over every one? get real.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

eddie wrote:I just think it slightly hypocritical that meat-eaters would complain then still munch down on steak and chips.

Do you ever wonder if fish have been caught, killed humanely and processed properly...

Have you ever wondered whether those hens that provided eggs, or the cows providing the cream for yoghurts, butter ice cream, are being treated properly..

I'LL bet that those thoughts never occur to those BNP/EDL types who constantly whinge and whine about "halal" labelling on neo-nazi political grounds, without giving a thought to the garbage they put in their own mouths.

Yes I wonder about all those things but I don't know why you're calling me a BNP member?

I would imagine even wolfie would agree that given the conditions under which meat is reared, and then slaughtered,
HUNTED food (rabbit, pigeon, duck game birds, and even venison) is generally much more ethical than farmed meat.
PROVIDED the hunter sticks to "best practice", which in general most shooters do, and the lone "walked up" shooter probably best of all.
But in reality, and certinly commercially anyone who eats meat cannot whige about the "ethics" of halal meat.

MY objection to it is rather more esoteric....

becasue ...its "special treatment" of a group

i.e one law for them and one for the rest of us....

and THAT is a slippery slope, especially when you consider how we are slowly sliding into "sharia law".

really if the LAW is "x" then it should be "x" for EVERYONE.....with NO regard to religion (we have seperation of church and state) or ethnicity or anything else